A Political slant to the game on June 4th........

[paul_oshea]

sorry i suppose i should have worded it slightly better, i think its a co-existence, i wouldnt see it as a puppet state, for football parlance, a feeder state basically an associative relationship with integrity constraints based on one needing the other for different reasons that provide mutual benefits for both countries.

[Éanna]

sorry i suppose i should have worded it slightly better, i think its a co-existence, i wouldnt see it as a puppet state, for football parlance, a feeder state basically an associative relationship with integrity constraints based on one needing the other for different reasons that provide mutual benefits for both countries.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, but I'd still think of it as a puppet, for the simple reason that (as i said) it couldn't exist without the US.

[Fergie's Son]

Just as an aside, Humphries' moralizing must be taken with a grain of salt. The reasons Soviets refused to play in Santiago was because Pinochet (as head of a right-wing cabal) had just seized power and crushed an equally violent communist uprising. It was purely a political move on the Soviet's part.

The Soviet's butchered untold millions of their own people so for Tom Humphries to suggest that the Soviet's somehow gained some honour by refusing to play is utterly and totally wrong.

Israel is not a puppet US state. Further, it is the only democractic state in the middle-east. It certainly isn't perfect but it does have freedom of speech, association and religion which is a damn sight more than any other middle-eastern country.

Let's take the 3 points and leave the nonsense outside.

[Green Tribe]

Aye,KT(et al)......but Politics & Sport aren't kept seperate in Real life.Though generally,this tends to be more serious than this MB. :o

I don't mind a peaceful protest away from the game, it is just those who latch on and end up causing trouble who annoy me... :mad:

[Éanna]

Israel is not a puppet US state. Further, it is the only democractic state in the middle-east. It certainly isn't perfect but it does have freedom of speech, association and religion which is a damn sight more than any other middle-eastern country.
It wouldn't exist without the US- that equates to a puppet state to me. How is it democratic when it has forced millions of the rightful inhabitants of its land into refugee camps in surrounding countries, when its army kills children in the street, etc., What about Mordechai Vanunu (sp?) who is living under virtual house arrest having spent 20-odd years in solitary confinement- not allowed speak to journalists, foreigners or allowed leave the country- if thats freedom of speech and association :confused: :rolleyes: Freedom of religion- what about the palestinians who are not allowed to travel to worship at their holy sites?

No-one has said the palestinians are perfect- far from it. At least they don't have the nerve to claim to be a shining example of democracy.


I don't mind a peaceful protest away from the game, it is just those who latch on and end up causing trouble who annoy me... :mad:
What good is a protest outside gonna do? The idea of a protest inside is to get publicity from the tv cameras. I wouldn't like to see anyone "latching on"- only people who know what they're talking about should protest. Nobody should cause trouble either- it should be dignified and peaceful.

[tricky_colour]

Well, so what does everyone think the score will be? ;)

[Éanna]

Well, so what does everyone think the score will be? ;)
:D :D 3-0 to the protestors in a walkover :D

[Colie]

You've got the Baileys & you've got the Kaluha. Always kept apart exept for on the odd occassion when they are brought together for a shot of Baby Guinness. When controlled they happen at the same time but don't mix. But if you throw them both in without caution it's a fcuking mess & in the end it's no fun. And, just like Baileys & Kaluha, sport & politics can come together in a controlled environment. Now Israel always bring politics with them wherever they play, thats just the way it is, but they play & the people watch & the football is enjoyed etc...sport & politics; controlled. But throw in a protest & well it becomes spolitirtcs! I'm for the Baby Guinness.

[pineapple stu]

By protesting the Israeli Team

The Israeli team represent their country.
Once again, my point at least has nothing to do with protesting against the Israeli team. My point centres around main symbol of the nation which will be evident at the game - the playing of the anthem. I for one have no intention of standing to honour the anthem and what it stands for. I think anything else is turning a blind eye on the issue, verging on social irresponsibility (maybe a bit strong, but anyway). If people sit down for the Israeli anthem and then, having made their point, get behind their team, give the visiting team due credit where it's due - where's the problem there?


we only had the Chinese here six weeks ago, didn't hear much protest then
This is sadly true. I suppose you have to start somewhere (personally, I wasn't at the Chinese game; I wouldn't have honoured their anthem either. Don't know how, seeing as it's difficult to sit down on the North Terrace, but doesn't matter now!).

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok
Time to intervene.
1/ Protesting the policies of a government you disagree with is fine and noble and should be done outside their embassy which is the appropriate location for making this statement.

2/Consistency.
Almost every team in our group is a Nation with something someone would have a legitimate reason to protest against.
Switzerland... Hoarding of the Nazi gold... hand it over to their surviving relatives!
Israel... Their treatment of Palestinians.
Cyprus... their treatment of Turkish Cypriots in 1970's which caused the Mainland Turks to feel that intervention was necessary. ( I don't happen to share that viewpoint for the record)
France... Their Nuclear testing policies in the Pacific Ocean.
Faeroe Islands... Whaling!

If you are going to protest against any of the opponents , protest against them all.
And for the record booing a team's national anthem, is in my view nothing but a diplomatic discourtesy which loses your argument however legitimate, through bad manners.

There were no protests against any of the following teams in recent years whose governments have a lot of questions to answer... China, USA, Croatia, Russia.. need I go on?

I did not agree with Milosevic's policies when he was in charge in Yugoslavia.
That did not interfere with my admiration for the likes of Stojkovic, Mijatovic, Savicevic etc. I went to watch them train in Belfield and was pleased to do so in 1999. I did not however visit their country until he had been toppled. I have been there three times since 2001 and intend to go back this year. Point is, there are other ways of protesting than booing a National anthem. Have your rally at the Israel embassy by all means. But the Israeli players have no control over government policy and so to penalise them is unfair and misdirected.

[onenilgameover]

If people want to protest do it away from the ground. By protesting within the ground you'd be dragging those who don't want to protest into the picture. Why not protest at the airport or ot the team hotel if you want to?

I want to go to the game, wear my colours, support my team and show respect for my opponents.

Protesting against the Israeli football team would be like protesting against the US or English football teams for their actions in Iraq - despite the fact that nearly 50% voted against Bush and the overwhelming majority of the British population was against the Iraqi invasion. My understanding is that there is a sizeable liberal / left movement in Israel who find the Israeli right's actions disgraceful too.

Will we protest against the French for the rise in the far right vote, the massacres of North Africans in the 60's, the unilateral destruction of parts of the Sth Pacific from nuclear testing etc.? There's barely a country in the world whose policies I don't find unpalatable in some respect but when I go to Lansdowne Road I go to watch my favourite football team.

I haven't heard one bad word said about the reception the Irish got in Israel & I don't see any reason why we shouldn't reciprocate.

I have strong political opinions but the only thing I give a sh1t about on June 4th is getting 3 points. I suggest those with other agendas stay away and let people whose priority is watching the game use their tickets.


here here well said..

[Closed Account 2]

Freedom of religion- what about the palestinians who are not allowed to travel to worship at their holy sites?



Freedom of religion eh ? ... Humm wonder if the guys organising this protest kicked up much of a fuss when we played Saudi Arabia 3 years ago.

[pete]

Switzerland... Hoarding of the Nazi gold... hand it over to their surviving relatives!


Not so long ago that woman had no vote in national elections. Apparently women still have vote in local elections! Should we all boycott them?

[gspain]

Or how about protesting about

1) Irish government's treatment of travellers.

2) Previous Government running guns to terrorists

3) Women's rights in ireland

4) Clear levels of corruption still going on in government

5) Racist treatment of non nationals


You can make a case for protesting against almost any country. This is a football match. We should give the visiting teama nd supporters the respect they deserve and the respect they gave us in Tel Aviv. This means standing in respectful sailence for their anthem and welcome the fans and team. Then focus on the football and get 100% behind our team. This is a very important game and distractions won't help.

Israel have an embassy in Dublin. There are ample opportunities to protest there, write letters etc.

[Dotsy]

[QUOTE=pineapple stu]Once again, my point at least has nothing to do with protesting against the Israeli team. My point centres around main symbol of the nation which will be evident at the game - the playing of the anthem. I for one have no intention of standing to honour the anthem and what it stands for. I think anything else is turning a blind eye on the issue, verging on social irresponsibility (maybe a bit strong, but anyway). If people sit down for the Israeli anthem and then, having made their point, get behind their team, give the visiting team due credit where it's due - where's the problem there?


The national anthem belongs/represents all Israelis, those that agree with their government's policies and those that don't. THere are many Israelis who don't agree with the occupation of the West Bank/Gaza but they are still proud to be Israelis. According their anthem some respect is not turning a blind eye to anything. Many people disagreed with our government allowing the US to use Shannon during the invasion of Iraq and thought it made us complicit in pursuing what they saw as an illegal war. Would you have appreciated if say a sizeable portion of the crowd at our game in Paris had turned their backs when our anthem was been played. I certainly won't have and would have taken it as a insult to the IRish fans in the stadium (many of whom would hold the same view of the US using Shannon) but I would have no problem with people protesting outside our embassy if they felt that strongly about it.

[Donal81]

Once again, my point at least has nothing to do with protesting against the Israeli team. My point centres around main symbol of the nation which will be evident at the game - the playing of the anthem. I for one have no intention of standing to honour the anthem and what it stands for. I think anything else is turning a blind eye on the issue, verging on social irresponsibility (maybe a bit strong, but anyway). If people sit down for the Israeli anthem and then, having made their point, get behind their team, give the visiting team due credit where it's due - where's the problem there?

Firstly mate, I think you're out of order saying that those not doing what you plan on doing are socially irresponsible.

Like I said at the start, I don't think you can separate football and politics. I remember Savo Milosevic banging on about how Kosovo was part of Serbia and should always remain so (this was in some interview with FourFourTwo or the likes). Humphries says there were others but I don't remember any. The team is representing a country after all, although not a particular government. The lads who come here in June are not akin with Ariel Sharon. Their national anthem is not in honour of Ariel Sharon. Try and separate nation and state...

My main beef with this was the pro-Palestinian element to it. I find loads of Israeli policy disgusting but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and bat for the Palestinian cause. Both have decent goals - both have pursued them through disgusting methods. I've got support for the Palestinians who were getting their houses bulldozed while Sharon was bringing in new settlers but I've got sympathy for those Israelis who can't go to the fish market without breaking into a sweat.

If we were playing Nazi Germany, it would be different - it's not as if there were two sides to that story.

[Donal81]

I also wouldn't mind watching a game of ball without boos ringing out of the place every time they touch the ball. I get enough of that when the opposition has a Rangers player.

There were a few Israeli lads on this site after the last game. I remember them being very decent (apart from one trolling prat) and I think we should show them the same decency instead of hurling abuse at their team because of what successive Israeli governments have done.

Anger is a gift but maybe it's best to take your protest to the Israeli embassy or to Israel itself.

[Junior]

I also wouldn't mind watching a game of ball without boos ringing out of the place every time they touch the ball. I get enough of that when the opposition has a Rangers player.


You've taken that too far. Perhaps we should applaud them when they make a good pass or score (god forbid). Bollóx we should make it intimidating in order to help us get the win. If that means booing their every touch then so be it.

[Stuttgart88]

I think showing disrespect to anyone's national anthem is undignified and beneath the standards of our supporters. It also brings in those who don't want to be associated with any protest.

There's an Iranian guy at work here who swears the Iranians were treated badly in Dublin. Total nonsense from what I remember. It turns out he wasn't even there. My point is that even a small token gesture from Irish fans would soon be reported as a mass protest and the reputation of the majority would be tainted by the actions of a minority.

There's a whole history of "protests" being misinterpreted at Lansdowne. I still maintain the booing of Rangers players was only ever benign pantomime booing but within days the mid-morning radio chat shows were full of "sectarianism plague at Lansdowne" type nonsense. The best solution: to stop.

I booed Ralph Keyes at a rugby international in the early 1990s after the umpteenth long, high punt into opposition territory (anyone remember that famous incident?). But NOBODY reported that it wasn't the player who was being booed - it was the strategy of constantly kicking away possession instead of moving the ball across the backs - with Simon Geoghegan on the wing I think. This was a management tactic, not Ralph Keyes'.

Everyone remembers the chants of "Keano, Keano" at the Swiss game, but did anyone ever report the response of the rest of the crowd? The list is endless.

I even heard a burberry wearing combat 18 type thug on TV a while back saying WE started the riot in 1995. Why? Because a MINORITY booed GSTQ.

England & Yugoslavia are the only countries who have had their anthem booed at Lansdowne in my memory. This is two too many (though - contradictorily maybe - I didn't give a **** about what the Yugoslavs thought). Booing GSTQ would just have been sinking to their fans' level. I think maybe Lichtenstein got booed too, or whoever it was that shares the tune to GSTQ!

An orderly protest outside the Israeli embassy would be the dignified approach to take.

[Donal81]

You've taken that too far. Perhaps we should applaud them when they make a good pass or score (god forbid). Bollóx we should make it intimidating in order to help us get the win. If that means booing their every touch then so be it.

You boo their every touch if you want mate. I think that's bad form.

[Stuttgart88]

You've taken that too far. Perhaps we should applaud them when they make a good pass or score (god forbid). Bollóx we should make it intimidating in order to help us get the win. If that means booing their every touch then so be it.

We created a very intimidating atmosphere in the late 80s without booing anyone.

[paul_oshea]

There's an Iranian guy at work here who swears the Iranians were treated badly in Dublin.

stut, maybe there were a few, but my mate said his whole family, friends and cousins went over and they said they had a brilliant time. he said everyone was lovely to them.

[Stuttgart88]

my mate said his whole family, friends and cousins went over and they said they had a brilliant time. he said everyone was lovely to them.
That was my recollection too.

[Junior]

We created a very intimidating atmosphere in the late 80s without booing anyone.

that may be so, id didn't attend LR in the 80's. LR hasn't been intimidating for a long while now, the most intimidating grounds I've been at are when the opposition are booed,whistled jeered whilst in posession.

What is your suggestion for making the place intimidating again (assuming you want to) Olé Olé or come on you boys in green?

[Donal81]

that may be so, id didn't attend LR in the 80's. LR hasn't been intimidating for a long while now, the most intimidating grounds I've been at are when the opposition are booed,whistled jeered whilst in posession.

What is your suggestion for making the place intimidating again (assuming you want to) Olé Olé or come on you boys in green?

I'm not saying it's not intimidating - I just don't think it's right to boo just because you want to win.

I don't think Lansdowne is as intimidating as it was because (a) our style of football has changed and (b) our expectations have changed. We no longer play the pressure, pressure Charlton game and we're no longer constantly up against it. The crowd's attitude has changed as a result, I reckon.

[Stuttgart88]

Do you have a problem with Come on you Boys in Green Junior?

[Junior]

Do you have a problem with Come on you Boys in Green Junior?

Only the fact that its our only song, becomes pretty tedious if Im honest. nearly as bad as stand up for the boys in green every 3 minutes.

If it was one song of many, where the stadium was a ball of sound I'd so no I don't have a problem. As it isn't, its pretty ****é to be honest.


TBH I think the view that its not nice to boo, or that its bad form is PC gone mad, we are at a football match, its not personal!!!

[Stuttgart88]

Was just asking because there was so much "Come on you Boys in Green" is crap but "Thierry Henry, yer aving a larf" is good type rubbish written after the Paris game that sometimes I wonder what the **** is going on.

Boys in Green has always been our song & I hope it always will be.

I think it's fine to boo players for cheating & time wasting (does anyone remember the Polish goalkeeper's "injury" in 1991?), it's fine to boo when a bad decision is made by the ref, when the opposition doesn't give the ball back after an injury etc. I agree it's all part of the atmosphere.

But I don't think it's OK to boo a side just for being there or for having the ball.

I think there's a difference. It's not like club football where local rivalries get poisonous like when MUFC visit Elland Road or whatever.

[Éanna]

I think we should show them the same decency instead of hurling abuse at their team because of what successive Israeli governments have done.
Who's talking about hurling abuse? I wouldn't support abuse of the individual fans or players in any way. I just think a token gesture should be made when the anthems are being played, to make a point. That should be the end of it then IMO

[Paulie]

I just think a token gesture should be made when the anthems are being played, to make a point. That should be the end of it then IMO

To be honest with you I'd be more concerned with encouraging people to sing our own anthem than trying to disrupt the opposition's efforts.

[pineapple stu]

Many people disagreed with our government allowing the US to use Shannon during the invasion of Iraq and thought it made us complicit in pursuing what they saw as an illegal war. Would you have appreciated if say a sizeable portion of the crowd at our game in Paris had turned their backs when our anthem was been played.
If you ignore the fact that I probably wouldn't have understood why they were sitting down, then no, in all honesty, I wouldn't have (course it's easy to say that now seeing as it's a hypothetical question). I'd possibly have been pleased that others had seen the disgraceful antics of our Government and wanted to make a stand over it - supporting the view of those Irish who feel the Government was well out of order. After that, the game is under way and it's football all the way, of course.


Firstly mate, I think you're out of order saying that those not doing what you plan on doing are socially irresponsible.
I object to that comment - I am in no way implying that those who don't do what I do are socially irresponsible. That implies absolutely no consideration of the facts on my part, which clearly isn't the case.

[tiktok]

I just think a token gesture should be made when the anthems are being played, to make a point. That should be the end of it then IMO

Can I ask Eanna, what do you mean by that?

Staying seated, turning your back or booing?

TBH, I realise many will want to do something, so I can tolerate the first two, but booing a national anthem, which I've heard suggested, is one of the worst forms of protest I could envisage.

[Dotsy]

[QUOTE=pineapple stu]If you ignore the fact that I probably wouldn't have understood why they were sitting down, then no, in all honesty, I wouldn't have (course it's easy to say that now seeing as it's a hypothetical question). I'd possibly have been pleased that others had seen the disgraceful antics of our Government and wanted to make a stand over it - supporting the view of those Irish who feel the Government was well out of order. After that, the game is under way and it's football all the way, of course.


Fair enough if that's your opinion. Personally I would take it as an insult to our country and to our fans.

[Éanna]

Can I ask Eanna, what do you mean by that?

Staying seated, turning your back or booing?

TBH, I realise many will want to do something, so I can tolerate the first two, but booing a national anthem, which I've heard suggested, is one of the worst forms of protest I could envisage.
I would suggest people turning their backs. But i would be totally against booing.

[dynamo kerry]

I'm on board with the not standing up for their anthem - the turning of your back seems even better.

I'm finally making a return to games as the g/fs brothers aren't able to go so I get in. I can see the conversation with the g/fs dad now

him: why aren't you standing?
me: cos israel needs certain issues to be highlighted despite the palestinians not being exactly innocent parties in the matter and another thing- how is israel part of europe anyway...

him: don't be such a pain in the arse and stand up

me: but...

most of the west stand: stand up you blond git.

[Schumi]

most of the west stand: stand up you blond git.That'll never happen, you might be able to hear people in the West Stand then. ;)

[Lionel Ritchie]

Lads -presuming the potential protesters want as much coverage as possible -there's a simple reality of football coverage that I'm surprised no one's hit on yet. They won't show any protest on telly.

If you boo or if you manage to get a "silent" protest to work they'll just get george and Jim to talk over it.
If you have people raising banners or whatever they'll just pan the camera off of them unless you can compete with mr john 3:17 behind the goals (I think he prefers the old bog-ball anyway).

It's just policy not to show these things as it only encourages others to come along next time.

So basically a protest will get a footnote in the following days paper and that's about it.

[tiktok]

If you boo or if you manage to get a "silent" protest to work they'll just get george and Jim to talk over it.

....or get the tannoy to play everything more loudly as they did during the 'red card to Milo' protest!!!

[Donal81]

I object to that comment - I am in no way implying that those who don't do what I do are socially irresponsible. That implies absolutely no consideration of the facts on my part, which clearly isn't the case.

What does this mean (below)?


Once again, my point at least has nothing to do with protesting against the Israeli team. My point centres around main symbol of the nation which will be evident at the game - the playing of the anthem. I for one have no intention of standing to honour the anthem and what it stands for. I think anything else is turning a blind eye on the issue, verging on social irresponsibility (maybe a bit strong, but anyway).

If I read it wrong, I honestly apologise. I thought you were implying that there we all have a social responsibility to protest.


Glad to see that someone has decided to organise some kind of protest. These Nazi scum shouldn't even be allowed into the country, never mind be allowed participate in world cup qualifiers. "ISRAEL" OUT :mad:

Eanna, given this quote and the constant talk of booing their national anthem - which constitutes as abuse in my book - forgive me for thinking that you might be hurling abuse at some point if you're at the game.

[Éanna]

So basically a protest will get a footnote in the following days paper and that's about it.
which is better than no mention at all IMO

Eanna, given this quote and the constant talk of booing their national anthem - which constitutes as abuse in my book - forgive me for thinking that you might be hurling abuse at some point if you're at the game.
I never once said anything about booing the anthem though. Fact is, I won't be at the game anyway, but I would support a protest, even encourage it, as long as its dignified and peaceful.

[pineapple stu]

If you boo or if you manage to get a "silent" protest to work they'll just get george and Jim to talk over it.
Possibly, although commentators aren't allowed to (certainly never do) talk over anthems, as far as I know. Anyway, I would imagine it would be Israeli TV we'd be more worried about? Though I suppose they'd ignore it as well. Still, nothing ventured, nothing gained.


If I read it wrong, I honestly apologise. I thought you were implying that there we all have a social responsibility to protest.
I do agree that it socially irresponsible to bury your head in the sand at things like this and say "Yerrah, sure it's just a football game." However, the way you put it across was implying that I said saocially irresponsible actions were those I don't agree with - i.e. blackening the reputation of those who disagree with me. That's a very American tactic which I despise. That's all. Apologies for the crossed wires! I assume you still won't be happy with my stance, but at least you know exactly what it is now! :)

[Colie]

I think showing disrespect to anyone's national anthem is undignified and beneath the standards of our supporters.
Nothing is beneath the standards of our supporters. They boo Ronaldo coz of Man U? Shams. They boo Rangers players. Most of the Ireland fans are dkheads & we'll have to live with that.

[Colie]

that may be so, id didn't attend LR in the 80's. LR hasn't been intimidating for a long while now, the most intimidating grounds I've been at are when the opposition are booed,whistled jeered whilst in posession.

What is your suggestion for making the place intimidating again (assuming you want to) Olé Olé or come on you boys in green?

I think booing everyone all the time is a good idea. It puts the opposition off their game. It has nothing to do with politics or anything.

[Colie]

Boys in Green has always been our song & I hope it always will be.

It's Boys in Blue & it's for the Dubs.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Not so long ago that woman had no vote in national elections. Apparently women still have vote in local elections! Should we all boycott them?
pete

Women got the vote in 1971 in Swiss Elections to be fair!

[dahamsta]

Glad to see that someone has decided to organise some kind of protest. These Nazi scum shouldn't even be allowed into the country, never mind be allowed participate in world cup qualifiers. "ISRAEL" OUT :mad:Hang on a second now. I deleted a post by an Israeli last night because it attacked you, and not your post, and I stand by that. However when reviewing your post quickly I assumed that the "Nazi scum" comment referred to a subset of people, a particular group, but on re-reading it now it appears that you've labelled an entire people and an entire country "Nazi scum". Is this correct?

adam

[Éanna]

I was referring to the IDF (Israeli army) and all who support its actions by ovting for the current government. Sorry if i didn't make it clearer.

[dahamsta]

I was referring to the IDF (Israeli army)Quite a few members of the IDF, in particular members of the air force, have spoken out against many of the actions of the IDF and the Israeli Government. Anyone with any kind of basic knowledge of the military will know how dangerous this kind of outspokeness can be. You've just labelled those incredibly brave people just because you wanted to make a point.


and all who support its actions by ovting for the current government. Sorry if i didn't make it clearer.I'm sorry too Éanna. I'm sorry you have to resort to this kind of stereotyping and bigotry to get your point across. I'm sorry it makes me sick to my stomach to see that kind of bile come out of an otherwise intelligent guy. I'm sorry it happens so regularly despite the fact that you've been told time and time again to knock it on the head.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that if it happens once more, I'm going to have to suspend you from the site just like I would everyone else, and remove you moderator privileges. I can't have people "representing" Foot.ie acting in this way.

Once more Éanna, no kidding. I'm sick of it.

adam

[Dazzy]

I think booing everyone all the time is a good idea. It puts the opposition off their game. It has nothing to do with politics or anything.

Nearly every country we play does this, so why cant we.

[Éanna]

Quite a few members of the IDF, in particular members of the air force, have spoken out against many of the actions of the IDF and the Israeli Government. Anyone with any kind of basic knowledge of the military will know how dangerous this kind of outspokeness can be. You've just labelled those incredibly brave people just because you wanted to make a point.

I'm sorry too Éanna. I'm sorry you have to resort to this kind of stereotyping and bigotry to get your point across. I'm sorry it makes me sick to my stomach to see that kind of bile come out of an otherwise intelligent guy. I'm sorry it happens so regularly despite the fact that you've been told time and time again to knock it on the head.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that if it happens once more, I'm going to have to suspend you from the site just like I would everyone else, and remove you moderator privileges. I can't have people "representing" Foot.ie acting in this way.

Once more Éanna, no kidding. I'm sick of it.

adam
I'm not gonna drag this argument out over the boards adam, I'll PM you