Switzerland v Republic of Ireland - Geneva - 15th October 2019 - Euro 2020 Qualifier [Archive] - Page 2

mark12345

15/10/2019, 1:31 PM

In his one international cap, Jack Byrne did what most of the rest of our midfield had never done.
If we�re chasing a goal and need a creative spark, I�d like to bring on Byrne rather than Derrick Williams

You are quite perceptive Fixer. J B did more in that game than any of our midfielders have ever done. He is more creative than a posse of Premier League players playing in green. I have lost a lot of faith in McCarthy in recent months, but I do give him credit for bringing Byrne into the squad. He should have had more games under his belt by now

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 1:38 PM

Byrne is knocking on the door and should get 90 mins against New Zealand. I can see the case for him being involved tonight. But where I think it falls down is the notion that if we are chasing a goal we are going to put someone on who will try to "pick the lock".

More likely that we'll move Duffy up front and then it's bombs away.

We don't pick locks. We hit them with a sledgehammer.

TrapAPony

15/10/2019, 1:51 PM

It's Jack Byrne FFS. The way people are talking about him you would think he was one of the first names on the team sheet at Real Madrid.

This. You would swear it was Maradona people were talking about. I think it is fairly desperate that we would need to be relying on a half decent Shamrock Rovers player. Not saying he doesn't have ability but he really needs to be doing it at a much higher level. Richie Towell was excellent in the LOI but what is he doing now? Same applies to Daryl Horgan. Pat Hoban was at nothing in England but is a LOI star. The level these lads are at is not good enough to be playing for Ireland. It is far more shocking to me for Mick to be omitting Robbie Brady, James McCarthy, Shane Long, Ciaran Clark, Harry Arter and Keiren Westwood than omitting Jack Byrne.

Fixer82

15/10/2019, 2:10 PM

This. You would swear it was Maradona people were talking about. I think it is fairly desperate that we would need to be relying a half decent Shamrock Rovers player. Not saying he doesn't have ability but he really needs to be doing it at a much higher level. Richie Towell was excellent in the LOI but what is he doing now, same applies to Daryl Horgan. Pat Hoban was at nothing in England but is a LOI star. The level these lads are at is not good enough to be playing for Ireland. It is far more shocking to me for Mick to be omitting Robbie Brady, James McCarthy, Shane Long, Ciaran Clark, Harry Arter and Keiren Westwood than omitting Jack Byrne.

Nobody saying he�s Maradona but he�s a different type of midfielder than other ones we have.

I agree, Brady, Clark, McCarthy and Long should be in the squad.
But they�re not.

Against Bulgaria Byrne did something that I can�t ever remember seeing Hendrick doing and that�s constantly looking for the ball.

Re Horgan, I don�t remember him ever letting us down and think he should�ve been given more caps.

At the same time, Callum Robinson is doing really well in The Premiership and hasn�t performed at all well for us.

International football suits some more than others.

TrapAPony

15/10/2019, 2:26 PM

At the same time, Callum Robinson is doing really well in The Premiership and hasn’t performed at all well for us.

I believe that is because he is playing in a very negative footballing International side. I don't ever remember the likes of Coleman (for example) having a real good game for Ireland in all his caps yet he is a decent full back for Everton. Once Kenny comes on board you will probably see the best of Robinson.

sbgawa

15/10/2019, 2:42 PM

I believe that is because he is playing in a very negative footballing International side. I don't ever remember the likes of Coleman (for example) having a real good game for Ireland in all his caps yet he is a decent full back for Everton. Once Kenny comes on board you will probably see the best of Robinson.

Agreed re Robinson and half the rest of them, we are talking about Premier league players constantly kicking the ball away under Mick, if they were playing under a manager who believed in playing football they wouldn't do this because they would be hauled off.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 2:45 PM

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 2:55 PM

Byrne is a better option than a 31 year old League 1 player who is not even getting off the bench for his club some weeks. But like stubborn auld fellas than came before him Mick has his favourites and Judge is one of his.

There have been a fair few players regularly picked in the last few years that everyone always complained about and were right too. Paul Green the best example under Trap. You can go back to Jonathan Douglas, Conor Sammon and a fair few others.
Manager is not always right.

I can't argue with this. Judge isn't the same player since the injury for me. But it's a marginal decision and a matter of opinion.

On another note it's been tipping it down in Geneva. The pitch is like a bog judging by the photos I've seen.

Which should suit us more than them I'd have thought.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 3:00 PM

I can't argue with this. Judge isn't the same player since the injury for me. But it's a marginal decision and a matter of opinion.

On another note it's been tipping it down in Geneva. The pitch is like a bog judging by the photos I've seen.

Which should suit us more than them I'd have thought.

When its a marginal decision you have to look at the recent evidence and base your opinion on that. Both players played against Bulgaria, Judge was on the pitch for a lot longer and was very poor, Byrne came on and sparked the whole thing into life.

I dont want to keep comparing to Kenny and regard him as the messiah of Irish football but I look at his starting line up for the u21s tonight and he has dropped Ronan who is one of his favorites because he was poor against Italy. You have to pick the right team, with players in form and not just because they are your guys and you stick with them through thick and thin

Fixer82

15/10/2019, 3:03 PM

I believe that is because he is playing in a very negative footballing International side. I don't ever remember the likes of Coleman (for example) having a real good game for Ireland in all his caps yet he is a decent full back for Everton. Once Kenny comes on board you will probably see the best of Robinson.

In the 2000s we played nice football under Mick. Has he changed or is he cutting his cloth due to the personnel available?

nigel-harps1954

15/10/2019, 3:10 PM

This. You would swear it was Maradona people were talking about. I think it is fairly desperate that we would need to be relying on a half decent Shamrock Rovers player. Not saying he doesn't have ability but he really needs to be doing it at a much higher level. Richie Towell was excellent in the LOI but what is he doing now? Same applies to Daryl Horgan. Pat Hoban was at nothing in England but is a LOI star. The level these lads are at is not good enough to be playing for Ireland. It is far more shocking to me for Mick to be omitting Robbie Brady, James McCarthy, Shane Long, Ciaran Clark, Harry Arter and Keiren Westwood than omitting Jack Byrne.

Richie Towell spent his first year back in England injured. Done well in the Championship last season with Rotherham. Most people raised a few eyebrows when he joined Salford this year, but then again, they have probably the biggest budget of any side in the bottom two tiers of the Football League now.

Daryl Horgan never done a thing wrong in an Ireland jersey and is doing well at Hibs.

Pat Hoban isn't a LOI star. He's woefully over-rated. Scores plenty of penalties, a decent finisher, but that's as far as I rate him.

Byrne is by no means Maradona, but he wants the ball. He wants to create chances, and is constantly looking to push a team forward.

Give me 1 Jack Byrne over 10 Jeff Hendricks any day.

Mick is taking the **** dropping Byrne from the squad and retaining a midfield who were utterly woeful against Georgia. Sooner Kenny is in charge, the better. In for another sh!te 90 minutes tonight.

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 3:14 PM

When its a marginal decision you have to look at the recent evidence and base your opinion on that.

You don't have to do that at all. I actually agree with you but that's just my opinion.

It's a perfectly valid approach to prioritize experience. It's perfectly valid to conclude Judge simply had a bad night at the office. It's perfectly valid to value place a value continuity throughout a campaign.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 3:24 PM

You don't have to do that at all. I actually agree with you but that's just my opinion.

It's a perfectly valid approach to prioritize experience. It's perfectly valid to conclude Judge simply had a bad night at the office. It's perfectly valid to value place a value continuity throughout a campaign.

But what experience does Judge have internationally? Hes only got a few caps. Same argument for Collins starting ahead of Connolly the other night, hes older but he hasnt got any experience either.

I agree that experience counts sometimes, but only for good players who know who to use that experience to help others. Look at McClean and Hendrick, 2 of the most experience players we have and they were a liability against Georgia and have been for a while now. Experience is over rated for the most part and I would go with players in form.

eekers

15/10/2019, 3:30 PM

Mick said he would take a point ffs!

Looking at the table
Denmark have 15 points (they'll beat Gibraltar)
Switzerland have 14 points (they'll beat Gibraltar and Georgia)
We have 12 points

They are two active game left Switzerland V Ireland and Ireland V Denmark

A draw tonight would leave the table
Denmark 15 pts
Switzerland 15 pts
Ireland 13 pts
We'd need a win against Denmark.

A lose tonight would leave the table
Switzerland 17pts
Denmark 15 pts
Ireland 12 pts
We'd need a win against Denmark (the decider would be head to head so any win would do)

If we end up playing for a draw instead of going for it tonight it's all on Mick and his mentality.

Real ale Madrid

15/10/2019, 3:35 PM

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 3:36 PM

But what experience does Judge have internationally? Hes only got a few caps. Same argument for Collins starting ahead of Connolly the other night, hes older but he hasnt got any experience either.

I agree that experience counts sometimes, but only for good players who know who to use that experience to help others. Look at McClean and Hendrick, 2 of the most experience players we have and they were a liability against Georgia and have been for a while now. Experience is over rated for the most part and I would go with players in form.

That's all I'm saying. It's a matter of opinion. Mick sees it another way from you (and me) when it comes to Byrne v Judge. But that's fair enough. He's not doing anything totally out there.

Mick said he would take a point ffs!

Looking at the table
Denmark have 15 points (they'll beat Gibraltar)
Switzerland have 14 points (they'll beat Gibraltar and Georgia)
We have 12 points

They are two active game left Switzerland V Ireland and Ireland V Denmark

A draw tonight would leave the table
Denmark 15 pts
Switzerland 15 pts
Ireland 13 pts
We'd need a win against Denmark.

A lose tonight would leave the table
Switzerland 17pts
Denmark 15 pts
Ireland 12 pts
We'd need a win against Denmark (the decider would be head to head so any win would do)

If we end up playing for a draw instead of going for it tonight it's all on Mick and his mentality.

If we draw tonight Denmark have qualified and the Dublin game becomes a dead rubber for them. A draw is a great result.

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 3:40 PM

Yes but in the scenario in bold - Denmark will have already qualfied on head to head with Switzerland. They won't need any result when they come play us.

I'll take a draw tonight - its the best we will be able to get anyway.

We can win this game. We've a decent away record in these sort of games recently. We've won games in Cardiff and Vienna. Why not Geneva.

We're not great going forward but we're solid. If we can nick a goal there's a great chance of us taking 3 points.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 3:53 PM

That's all I'm saying. It's a matter of opinion. Mick sees it another way from you (and me) when it comes to Byrne v Judge. But that's fair enough. He's not doing anything totally out there.

Hope Judge comes on and get the winner!

pineapple stu

15/10/2019, 4:45 PM

Mick said he would take a point ffs!

If we end up playing for a draw instead of going for it tonight it's all on Mick and his mentality.
I think "I'd take a point" is different to playing for a draw.

He can play for a win but be happy with a draw if it's what we get.

I wouldn't want to see play for a win and get torn apart 4-0 for example. Then morale is low ahead of Denmark, and they've plenty to target

Pitch inspection shortly apparently; might be postponed until tomorrow. (If it was rugby, they'd just give us the draw of course!)

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 4:47 PM

Mick will be desperate to play. A pitch one step up from a rice paddy is perfect for us

Fixer82

15/10/2019, 5:00 PM

Hope Judge comes on and get the winner!

I hope anyone comes on and gets the winner

irishfan86

15/10/2019, 5:08 PM

The game is officially a go! This will suit us nicely...

tommy_c12000

15/10/2019, 5:30 PM

Stevens, Connolly and Browne in. Collins also starts. What’s the formation? Is Connolly wide on right with McClean on left? Can’t see him going 2 up front?

brine3

15/10/2019, 5:31 PM

Glenn Whelan oh goody

backstothewall

15/10/2019, 5:40 PM

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1184155419486367756?s=19

tetsujin1979

15/10/2019, 5:44 PM

1184158137227591681

passinginterest

15/10/2019, 5:49 PM

Reportedly Stevens playing as a third central defender with McLean and Coleman wing backs? Seems like madness.
That�s according to RT� news just now. Maybe Mick spoofing Tony O�D

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 5:52 PM

Delighted with Hourihane dropped and Browne coming in, hopefully he will have a bit of aggression about him.

Connolly on the break could be brilliant.

McClean doesnt deserve to start again but on a bog of a pitch his work rate might be important.

Collins is useless but again this pitch might be a leveler and he is used to L1 and L2 standard pitches so hopefully he puts himself about.

NeverFeltBetter

15/10/2019, 6:18 PM

I hope Connolly's couple of bright moments in his run-out on Saturday doesn't have expectations too sky-high. If we get a point here after the way they played against Georgia I'd be pleasantly surprised.

tetsujin1979

15/10/2019, 6:20 PM

Got asked on twitter who was the last teenager to make their full competitive debut before Connolly?
It was Robbie Keane and Damien Duff, who were named in the starting XI against Croatia in September 1998

Ol� Ol�

15/10/2019, 6:25 PM

3-5-2 was what we went with for about 10 minutes before half time when Swiss had us under pressure at the Aviva. I could easily see a 4-4-2 also.

Hourihane and Robinson sacrificed before Hendrick and McClean? Not for me. Although the set up may have been a factor in that.

boovidge

15/10/2019, 6:27 PM

reckon we're in for a battering here.

seanfhear

15/10/2019, 6:31 PM

reckon we're in for a battering here.
I hope you are cod-ing .

pineapple stu

15/10/2019, 6:32 PM

Is Conor Sammon back in the squad?

seanfhear

15/10/2019, 6:33 PM

Is Conor Sammon back in the squad?
There is no plaice for him .

pineapple stu

15/10/2019, 6:35 PM

Anyways, listening to the analysis there at the start, and they were suggesting the best way we were going to score would be set pieces sent into Collins, because we've scored almost all our goals from set pieces and the Swiss have been poor at defending crosses. So straight away, the Connolly decision is being called into question, because I don't think that's the kind of player he is.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 6:36 PM

Connolly will be important to win free kicks by hopefully having a run at them

NeverFeltBetter

15/10/2019, 6:46 PM

Jeez, that pitch. Welcome to Jackman Park.

NeverFeltBetter

15/10/2019, 6:53 PM

McClean should already have been booked. He's become such a liability, a far cry from the days when he was being touted as a potential wunderkind.

Browne caught moaning when he should be playing the whistle. Need to be smarter than that if the plan is to park the bus.

The Fly

15/10/2019, 6:57 PM

McClean should already have been booked. He's become such a liability, a far cry from the days when he was being touted as a potential wunderkind.

Said touting was cringe-worthy stuff, he was never a potential wunderkid. Any one with sense could see that.

Anyway...this is gonna be a looonng night.

pineapple stu

15/10/2019, 7:01 PM

And so it begins...

shakermaker1982

15/10/2019, 7:01 PM

Hendrick should have pressed there...

youngirish

15/10/2019, 7:02 PM

Absolutely atrocious. Clowns cannot string 3 passes together. Too many donkeys in that team.

Ol� Ol�

15/10/2019, 7:04 PM

McClean is on a mission to better his concession record from Saturday. Rte didn't even highlight him knocking the ball out over the line from a free in the lead up to the goal.

Razors left peg

15/10/2019, 7:04 PM

Goal came from Mcclean kicking ball straight out of play under no pressure

passinginterest

15/10/2019, 7:05 PM

Nice through ball for Connolly. Showed his inexperience there. Possession in the box, should have take a few touches and tried to draw a foul or link with someone arriving late. It looks like they�ll give up chances if we don�t keep conceding too.

brine3

15/10/2019, 7:05 PM

Sure what do we need Matt Doherty for when we have McClean.

shakermaker1982

15/10/2019, 7:06 PM

Unsurprisingly the players have no idea how to play 352.

We also don�t have any players who know how to pass the white round thing to somebody wearing a white shirt.

passinginterest

15/10/2019, 7:09 PM

Unsurprisingly the players have no idea how to play 352.

We also don�t have any players who know how to pass the white round thing to somebody wearing a white shirt.

We have arguably two of the best wing backs in the premier league this season. One of the is playing left of the 3 and the other is on the bench. Also Williams on the bench who regularly plays left of a back 3. Why play the shape and not play the players familiar with it?