LOI fixtures 10th/11th May

[ToberonaTornado]

Someone on Twitter mentioned 'less than 780' which is pretty exact and random ,not sure if that helps!

That's great thanks.Judging by the highlights it did seem that sort of a number.:good:

[sullanefc]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

[ToberonaTornado]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/YC6ZedMDgR1Fm/giphy.gif

[mcgonigle]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

When you're on top everyone is looking for something to throw at you. It's mainly BS but opposition fans need something. Better than being belittled for tripe football.

Penny for Caulfields thoughts after 2 wins in a row for Cotter, looks like the players weren't trying for him anymore. Makes all the testimonials laughable

[White Horse]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

If only Caulfield's Cork had been more street smart and less naive and innocent, they would not have been left in Dundalk's shadow for most of the last five years.

[marinobohs]

Pity the high morals of Bohs fans don't stretch to the derby games. Not a problem when you're getting the decisions

Didn’t see ONE Bohs fan on here denying shams had a player wrongly sent off in the recent derby. Dundalk gobdhites defend bad refs decisions and accuse anyone else of “whining”.
I guess the “high morals” of Dundalk fans prevent them seeing the obvious.

[marinobohs]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

Don’t worry, Corks display of diving and time wasting at Dalymount last week far exceeded the efforts of Dundalk. The only difference was Dundalk can play good football.

Good to see Cork fans “finding” the forum again 😁

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

You'd be hard pressed to find a Rovers fan to suit that narrative anyway

[mcgonigle]

Didn’t see ONE Bohs fan on here denying shams had a player wrongly sent off in the recent derby. Dundalk gobdhites defend bad refs decisions and accuse anyone else of “whining”.
I guess the “high morals” of Dundalk fans prevent them seeing the obvious.

Maybe not denying it but happy to relish in it all the same, certainly no Bohs fans condemning the ref those nights. There was one poor decision in the game on Friday and that was the soft penalty, justice was done when it was saved

[sbgawa]

I was surprised tbh that Dundalk got the penalty in Dalymount as given the number of penos they have had this year (in at or around ) the box you'd imagine the refs would be looking for nailed on before they give it.

I'm probably giving them to much credit for intelligence.
I don't think there is anything sinister about the number of penos they are getting its just swings and roundabouts , its not that long ago that Kenny was whinging about a lack of penos.

[Jack B]

Interesting that when Cork City fans pointed out Dundalk's mastery of the dark arts over the past number of years, we were derided and our players were accused sarcastically by Bohs/Rovers/Pats fans (who seemed to have hard ons for Dundalk's total football) of having halos over their heads.

I've an immense feeling of shaudenfraude (sp?) right now.

Our only experience of Dundalk this season is hammering them at Richmond, where their still total football was no match for ours.

Still better than Cork mind.

[marinobohs]

Maybe not denying it but happy to relish in it all the same, certainly no Bohs fans condemning the ref those nights. There was one poor decision in the game on Friday and that was the soft penalty, justice was done when it was saved

Jarvis (I think) clearly handled the ball in the lead up to the first goal but hey, lets ignore that as it doesn't suit the dundalk agenda :rolleyes:

Has anyone ever seen a LOI game with only one poor decision ? Ever ? do you even go to matches ?

[mcgonigle]

Jarvis (I think) clearly handled the ball

So clear that you don't know who it was :rolleyes:

[Ezeikial]

You'd be hard pressed to find a Rovers fan to suit that narrative anyway

Plenty of Rovers fans (rightly) mocked the notion being portrayed by some posters that Cork were as clean as the driven snow. It was a standing joke around here that Cork did not commit fouls

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Plenty of Rovers fans (rightly) mocked the notion being portrayed by some posters that Cork were as clean as the driven snow. It was a standing joke around here that Cork did not commit fouls

I was referring more to the having hard ons for Dundalk so basically turning a blind eye to their "gamesmanship" narrative

[sbgawa]

I tend to liken Dundalk to Ryanair........Ryanair do 95% of everything very well but in the same way that Ryanair let themselves down on customer service, the 5% of time that DFC involve themselves in the "professionalism" side of things takes a bit of the good out of the rest.
That being said it doesn't bother their own fans who want to win and the love of rivals is not really something most teams care about.

Bit like Corks fans didn't care about the style of football while they were winning.
And now that I've offended everyone my work here is done :)

[Ezeikial]

I tend to liken Dundalk to Ryanair........Ryanair do 95% of everything very well but in the same way that Ryanair let themselves down on customer service, the 5% of time that DFC involve themselves in the "professionalism" side of things takes a bit of the good out of the rest.
That being said it doesn't bother their own fans who want to win and the love of rivals is not really something most teams care about.

Bit like Corks fans didn't care about the style of football while they were winning.
And now that I've offended everyone my work here is done :)

Relax, I think you are more likely to have amused rather then offended many.

[marinobohs]

So clear that you don't know who it was :rolleyes:

Apologies for not recognizing Dundalk players on sight (all cheats look the same ;)). Handball was clear (and mentioned in media reports) and was the reason the (so called) ref was booed throughout the game.
Obviously not so clear from the high moral ground occupied by Dundalk fans .:p

[Ezeikial]

Apologies for not recognizing Dundalk players on sight (all cheats look the same ;)). Handball was clear (and mentioned in media reports) and was the reason the (so called) ref was booed throughout the game.
Obviously not so clear from the high moral ground occupied by Dundalk fans .:p

We need to know the culprit.

Surely you recognised the distinctive boots? Maybe the number on the shirt and shorts would help - did you spot it?

Did the media reports identify him by name or just say there was a clear handball by an unidentified Dundalk player?

Was it this chap?

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dublin-ireland-22-april-2019-dean-jarvis-of-dundalk-during-the-sse-picture-id1139325402

[marinobohs]

We need to know the culprit.

Surely you recognised the distinctive boots? Maybe the number on the shirt and shorts would help - did you spot it?

Did the media reports identify him by name or just say there was a clear handball by an unidentified Dundalk player?

Was it this chap?

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dublin-ireland-22-april-2019-dean-jarvis-of-dundalk-during-the-sse-picture-id1139325402

Sigh, :rolleyes: Evening Herald named the player as Jarvis.He was facing 9back to shopping centre end) play so don't know his number. I was simply pointing out the 'penalty' was NOT the only wrong call and was not the reason the ref was booed throughout.

Guess I need to make it idiot proof for some people. Yes, everyone else is wrong, Dundalk are football paragons of virtue and Connolly is the bestest ref ever.

[joey B]

Can we get a separate forum called 'Dundalk fight with........' and just alternate it with whoever they're playing!!!

[marinobohs]

Can we get a separate forum called 'Dundalk fight with........' and just alternate it with whoever they're playing!!!

co ordinate it with the fixture list :rolleyes:

[dundalkfc10]

co ordinate it with the fixture list :rolleyes:

and a thread whre Bohs fans can cry when they lose! Dundalk away, Cork home, Dundalk home. Its actually getting funny.

Not our problem your players raise your game more V Rovers than other teams

[marinobohs]

and a thread whre Bohs fans can cry when they lose! Dundalk away, Cork home, Dundalk home. Its actually getting funny.

Not our problem your players raise your game more V Rovers than other teams

Every ones problem your ref raises his game in Dundalk matches :D

Nothing funnier than Dundalk crying - even when they win !

[dundalkfc10]

Every ones problem your ref raises his game in Dundalk matches :D

Nothing funnier than Dundalk crying - even when they win !

Havn't stopped crying since 2014 alright,
4 League Titles
2 FAI Cups
2 League Cups

Its hard to take

[Nesta99]

It's not a particularly nice part of the game but if a team can get an edge even via 'the dark arts' then it is unlikely that any team wouldnt try and exploit it. Its not unique to Dundalk. It's up to the referees and their assistants to minimise any gamesmanship. That the standard of refereeing in LoI is sketchy and used is hardly surprising. I do believe that any of that cynical side to the Dundalk players was picked up playing in Europe. We were naive especially the first year we played BATE and even a headbutt on Massey that was admitted to wasnt penalised. A more positive learning curve is the way in which the Dundalk lads dont switch off at thow ins etc as we were punished for it and brought it in to our domestic game. Is it unfair to have a multiball system when FT, large squad, and strength and conditioing is going to be an edge when up against PT teams, small squads and a crazy fixture list? Its not that sporting but so be it.

Any team can do the same as much as it irks the purists. We have had plenty of discussion in the past about how Sean Maguire 'manufactured' penalties and how that was ok with Cork fans regardless of their outrage at being generally tackled in games. The claims that Dundalk players surround the ref or O'Donnell being in the refs ear and that other sides didnt do the same was daft and what spurned the running joke especially with Cork fans.

On this occasion Bohs fans have been quite upset by refereeing, gamesmanship in the recent games they have lost but had a good giggle when they benefited from ref decisions in the last Dublin Derby so a wee bit of a double standard and hence this session of wind up. I did say before the end of the game even that there would be a good auld moan by Bohs fans!

I doubt Kelly or any other player went out to nastily injure anyone in a 93rd minute when the result was done. There would be something on tv footage, in the refs report and Keith Long said little about it that I saw. Dundalk having a bona fide hometown ref would be a first as even an actual hometown ref, Denis McArdle for example, went over the top to show lack of bias!! The old adage will inevitably fit that these things will balance out over a season (or 3) like Corks run of Maguire penos and Hobans batch this season. Has there ever been definite proof in any league that the champions get the benefit of the doubt over other sides? Its often claimed but generall debunked.

[sbgawa]

Dundalk are miles ahead of any other team when it comes to the dark arts but the way the modern game has gone I don't know if that is a criticism or an acolade

[Nesta99]

Its not a facet of the game I like but as the game has eveolved thIS way then its prudent to be able to play on the margins. At least until the lawmakers make a concerted effort to allow referees deal with any messing. Retrospective cards/bans for diving et al, carding anyone bar the captains for badgering or surrounding the refs could be done here in the absence of infrastructure for VAR.

Im not so sure that we are 'miles ahead', maybe less apologetic for taking whatever opportunity arises to gain an edge. The recent fair play tables would suggest that the 'dark arts' do not necessarily equate to fou/dangerousl play. Teams will play to a strength if for example physicality is their way to negate a side playing football. If there was greater confidence in the standard of refereeing then the preception would be different I think.

[Ezeikial]

Its not a facet of the game I like but as the game has eveolved thIS way then its prudent to be able to play on the margins.

Here we go again - do Dundalk play 'on the margins' or 'at the margins' or even 'in the margins'?

Joking apart, if Dundalk do gain an advantage from pressurising refs and general game management (I'm not convinced), as long as it is not cheating, is it wrong?

Dundalk definitely get an advantage from scoring loads and conceding fewer goals than most teams; top notch training facilities; large player budget; fewer suspensions from a good disciplinary record, and more - should these be restricted in some way?

Player fitness through strength and conditioning investment is an obvious good example. Dundalk raised the bar in this area and it was up to other clubs to raise their own standards, as many have done.

[seand]

Given that Dundalk are only a Sergio Ramos short of Real Madrid, a hurl short of Brian Cody's Kilkenny and a eye gouge short of the All Blacks when it comes to the dark arts Dundalk position in the fair play table the last few years is pretty impressive....
2018 2nd to Cork
2017 1st
2016 1st
2015 1st
2014 1st
Truly Kenny/Perth's Dundalk are taking the mystical dark arts to a new level

[Ezeikial]

Given that Dundalk are only a Sergio Ramos short of Real Madrid, a hurl short of Brian Cody's Kilkenny and a eye gouge short of the All Blacks when it comes to the dark arts Dundalk position in the fair play table the last few years is pretty impressive....
2018 2nd to Cork
2017 1st
2016 1st
2015 1st
2014 1st
Truly Kenny/Perth's Dundalk are taking the mystical dark arts to a new level

It seems the brown envelope went missing in 2017 as through either a clerical error or some other dark arts pressure Derry City were awarded the Fair Play thingy

https://www.sseairtricityleague.ie/news/derry-city-top-2017-fair-play-table/id-1240

[sbgawa]

Given that Dundalk are only a Sergio Ramos short of Real Madrid, a hurl short of Brian Cody's Kilkenny and a eye gouge short of the All Blacks when it comes to the dark arts Dundalk position in the fair play table the last few years is pretty impressive....
2018 2nd to Cork
2017 1st
2016 1st
2015 1st
2014 1st
Truly Kenny/Perth's Dundalk are taking the mystical dark arts to a new level


The "dark arts" are not related to yellow and red cards , by definition if you are good at the dark arts....... "diving convincingly and getting a free/peno and avoiding a booking..... badgering refs to get others booked and avoid bookings yourself, leaving a foot in and getting away with it you probably have a better chance of winning a fair play league then teams who dive less well , don't hassle refs and leave a foot in but get caught.

I hate diving above everything in the game but i heard Peter Crouch (brilliant podcast) explaining it as
"Refs won't give a foul if you stay on your feet , so you have to go down if you feel a genuine contact" its the theatrical dives with barely any contact that does my head in.

[Ezeikial]

The "dark arts" are not related to yellow and red cards , by definition if you are good at the dark arts....... "diving convincingly and getting a free/peno and avoiding a booking..... badgering refs to get others booked and avoid bookings yourself, leaving a foot in and getting away with it you probably have a better chance of winning a fair play league then teams who dive less well , don't hassle refs and leave a foot in but get caught.

I hate diving above everything in the game but i heard Peter Crouch (brilliant podcast) explaining it as
"Refs won't give a foul if you stay on your feet , so you have to go down if you feel a genuine contact" its the theatrical dives with barely any contact that does my head in.

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in.

[marinobohs]

Given that Dundalk are only a Sergio Ramos short of Real Madrid, a hurl short of Brian Cody's Kilkenny and a eye gouge short of the All Blacks when it comes to the dark arts Dundalk position in the fair play table the last few years is pretty impressive....
2018 2nd to Cork
2017 1st
2016 1st
2015 1st
2014 1st
Truly Kenny/Perth's Dundalk are taking the mystical dark arts to a new level

or maybe Dundalk are just better at cheating than other teams ? :rolleyes: (isn't that the point people are making ?)

[sbgawa]

or maybe Dundalk are just better at cheating than other teams ? :rolleyes: (isn't that the point people are making ?)


Its not cheating its regrettably part of the game now and its so widespread that you could equally argue that other teams are remiss in not being better or more organised at it.

[seand]

I was being facetious, and I know LoI refs are poor and have a conspiracy against [insert team name here] but my point is that if Dundalk are cheating, diving, badgering, leaving the foot in more than other clubs they are doing it with such exceptional skill that the are actually receiving a fraction of the cards of other teams who apparently do less cheating, diving, badgering and leaving the foot in. I'm just hoping that we can bring our world class level of cheating to play at European level. It'd be a pity not to cheat our way back into the group stages having cheated [insert team name here] out of so many domestic trophies recently.

[Nesta99]

No fan likes blatant diving, or more feigning serious injury to get a player sent off! Im talking the Rivaldo type stuff, not a player sitting on the ground rubbing an ankle to slow up a game and break momentum, that's just in game tactics, some are more experienced at it, like when to commit a professional foul taking on for the team or not. It ends up counter productive in the end anyway as if a player gets a reputation for diving they often dont get legit penalty calls given. Until there is a serious directive to refs to cut out and card players surrounding officials it will happen at every game by every team. Sure the supposed additional 30 seconds for every sub made isnt enforced hence 90th minute substitutions and the like and everyone does it to eat up time in a close game. I dont think players surrounding a ref has ever caused a decision to be overturned so they can mob the ref as much as they like really. It looks ugly and should be put a stop to. Anyway Dundalk's 'dark arts' is cute game management of course, definitely at the margins not on them yet ;p

Not cutting grass, narrowing a pitch, only watering one half of a pitch, flooding visitor dressing rooms, turning on sprinklers when teams are trying to warm up, it all counts doesnt it?

[pineapple stu]

I was being facetious, and I know LoI refs are poor and have a conspiracy against [insert team name here] but my point is that if Dundalk are cheating, diving, badgering, leaving the foot in more than other clubs they are doing it with such exceptional skill that the are actually receiving a fraction of the cards of other teams who apparently do less cheating, diving, badgering and leaving the foot in.
While it doesn't really change the point you're making, there's a lot more to the Fair Play award than just yellow cards.

[Nesta99]

While it doesn't really change the point you're making, there's a lot more to the Fair Play award than just yellow cards.

Cork fans would be the experts able to give us details on that!

[mcgonigle]

or maybe Dundalk are just better at cheating than other teams ? :rolleyes: (isn't that the point people are making ?)

We're better at everything and don't forget it

[marinobohs]

We're better at everything and don't forget it

except letting go or taking any criticism (however remote) ;)

[mcgonigle]

except letting go or taking any criticism (however remote) ;)

Hi pot

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Given that Dundalk are only a Sergio Ramos short of Real Madrid, a hurl short of Brian Cody's Kilkenny and a eye gouge short of the All Blacks when it comes to the dark arts Dundalk position in the fair play table the last few years is pretty impressive....
2018 2nd to Cork
2017 1st
2016 1st
2015 1st
2014 1st
Truly Kenny/Perth's Dundalk are taking the mystical dark arts to a new level

I'm not sure you quite understand what the term "dark arts" means in a sporting context.

[Nesta99]

except letting go or taking any criticism (however remote) ;)

How dare you!! Of course we can take criticism, you are just completely jealous of our fantasticism, jealous that we can do no wrong and the penalty was IN the box!! FFS. How can you even consider that we are not the best even at cheating???

[Ezeikial]

Some amount of nastiness from the full timers too.2-0 ahead and another boot left in on 93rd minute to break Conor Levingstons foot.

Glad that Conor Levingston got to Lourdes in midweek to miraculously play with a broken foot against St Pats tonight

[Dalymountrower]

Congrats to Wexford Orthopaedic Unit on getting him right post assault.
Might even adopt them as our local hospital charity.

[Dalymountrower]

Also thanks for your somewhat delayed interest in that injury.

[Ezeikial]

Also thanks for your somewhat delayed interest in that injury.

I asked you about it way back, but you ignored the inquiry.............






I didn't notice the Conor Levingston injury that you mentioned so can't really comment on how it happened. Was there even a free kick awarded?

As regards the Georgie Kelly / Darragh Leahy incident, there was certainly no contact, no foul and no free. No reaction from the ref or linesman either.

There seems to be hysterical reactions from Bohs fans after every defeat.

No surprise to me that it seems that you may have exaggerated about Lazarus Levingston.

Do you think he will play on Monday?

[Dalymountrower]

Thanks for confiming your initial lack of interest in the injury .
I simply recorded the initial opinion in the club pre x ray/ scan,
Delighted for him that he didn't suffer a broken foot in the incident that you didnt see,and amazed that he played last night despite being on the announced injury list.
Tough game v Pats last night a lot of tired bodies. Would expect Long to play the under 19's and squad players against you.