John Caulfired

[sullanefc]

Fans of other clubs whinge about our style of play under him but just be greatful he took us to the heights he did or it would have been 5 years of Dundalk dominance with no one remotely close in league or cup

CCFC fans had plenty to say about our style too. He achieved great things but there were low points too. I find all this "our most successful ever manager" stuff to be a bit much too. He won one more major trophy than Rico but it makes him out to be Alex Ferguson.

He did a good job on the whole, but the style was always ignored when scraping 1-0 away wins. When you are not doing that, it's quite painful. That's not to say we had some nights where we played some very good football too, but let's get a bit of perspective here.

[sullanefc]

theres a lot of talk of Alan Reynolds taking over the Cork City job and considering his brief spell with Cork assisting JC dont be surprised if he jumps ship from Waterford and go to Cork!! AR must surely be ****ed off with LP and the FAI for his european dreams not being fulfilled!!

Stop deflecting. You know it's Fenn we are after. :p

[CorribsideSteve]

Yep a sign of things to come. A sign of winning against Linfield and Hacken and being a post away from taking the lead away against Genk the year they went on to reach the quarter final of the Europa League the following year.
A sign of winning the cup in 2016. A sign of winning 6-2 on aggregate against Levadia Tallinn in 2017, a sign of going unbeaten with 20 wins from our first 21 games in our double winning 2017 season. A sign of reaching four straight cup finals from 2015-2018 and finishing in the top two of the league for five straight years.
This year has been awful and Caulfield had to go if he couldn't find a way to turn things around which it didn't look like he did but that doesn't invalidate the achievements he had in his time as manager.
Fans of other clubs whinge about our style of play under him but just be greatful he took us to the heights he did or it would have been 5 years of Dundalk dominance with no one remotely close in league or cup

All very valid points. The period around the time they played Genk was the last time I personally saw them play great football however. Records have a way of glossing over performances. In one way, fair play to JC when in some of those cup finals, which were poor spectacles, forced Dundalk to play Cork's way and they couldn't overcome it. Then there's the Maguire factor. Fair play to Caulfield, nurtured him, brought him along. But his individual significance was out of this world.wins the cup in the last minute, scores a hattrick in the Levadia home game (a game Cork were 2-1 down in at one point) and got one vs Dundalk for example. going 20 out of 21 happened largely because he was one of the best LOI players for decades, spending a year or so on absolute fire. He couldn't miss.True, it would have been a Shaktar Donetsk/BATE type dominance without Cork, but the lack of quality and title challengers below Cork and Dundalk was evident the last few years also. Seems to be changing this year. I wish Caulfield the best, and the record can't be denied, it was just time to go, and he must have known that himself for a while.

[sullanefc]

All very valid points. The period around the time they played Genk was the last time I personally saw them play great football however. Records have a way of glossing over performances. In one way, fair play to JC when in some of those cup finals, which were poor spectacles, forced Dundalk to play Cork's way and they couldn't overcome it. Then there's the Maguire factor. Fair play to Caulfield, nurtured him, brought him along. But his individual significance was out of this world.wins the cup in the last minute, scores a hattrick in the Levadia home game (a game Cork were 2-1 down in at one point) and got one vs Dundalk for example. going 20 out of 21 happened largely because he was one of the best LOI players for decades, spending a year or so on absolute fire. He couldn't miss.True, it would have been a Shaktar Donetsk/BATE type dominance without Cork, but the lack of quality and title challengers below Cork and Dundalk was evident the last few years also. Seems to be changing this year. I wish Caulfield the best, and the record can't be denied, it was just time to go, and he must have known that himself for a while.

Some good football played in early 2017 too, but yeah, I'd largely agree with that post.

[El-Pietro]

All very valid points. The period around the time they played Genk was the last time I personally saw them play great football however. Records have a way of glossing over performances. In one way, fair play to JC when in some of those cup finals, which were poor spectacles, forced Dundalk to play Cork's way and they couldn't overcome it. Then there's the Maguire factor. Fair play to Caulfield, nurtured him, brought him along. But his individual significance was out of this world.wins the cup in the last minute, scores a hattrick in the Levadia home game (a game Cork were 2-1 down in at one point) and got one vs Dundalk for example. going 20 out of 21 happened largely because he was one of the best LOI players for decades, spending a year or so on absolute fire. He couldn't miss.True, it would have been a Shaktar Donetsk/BATE type dominance without Cork, but the lack of quality and title challengers below Cork and Dundalk was evident the last few years also. Seems to be changing this year. I wish Caulfield the best, and the record can't be denied, it was just time to go, and he must have known that himself for a while.

JC gets no credit for signing and developing Maguire and he is blamed for not replacing Maguire. Which is it? Did he identify a potential super star and turn him into the best LOI player in a decade or more or did he get lucky. If he got lucky then you can't blame him for City not being as good after Maguire left

As for sullanes comments. He was always a miserable ******* who never gave caulfield credit for any of his achievements so I have nothing to say to you. I've had the best five years of my football supporting life. I clearly enjoyed it more than you.

[sullanefc]

As for sullanes comments. He was always a miserable ******* who never gave caulfield credit for any of his achievements so I have nothing to say to you. I've had the best five years of my football supporting life. I clearly enjoyed it more than you.

Meow. Saucer of milk El-P? Attack the post not the poster.

And I do give Caulfield credit for assembling a very good squad in 2016/2017. Something he failed to do for 2018/2019 despite a larger budget in 2018. If you are going to give praise for 2016/2017 then he has to accept criticism for 2018/2019.

And I will never apologise for demanding that the team I support play a better brand of football.

[sullanefc]

Also, when your team loses 1-0 one week, and wins 1-0 the next week playing in the exact same manner, then it was hypocritical of city fans to laud the winning performance while being scathing of the losing performance. You might call it miserable. I call it being consistent.

And I did enjoy a lot of the Caulfield era. Sean Maguires brilliance, Steven Beatties tenacity and passion, Greg Bolger, 2017 McCormack was immense, Stephen Dooleys magic feet, peak Kevin O'Connor in 2016 was good, Shep when playing with Maguire used to score goals. I enjoyed a lot of that. But thwre was a lot of poor approaches to games too.

Watching a drab home draw at home to Pats at the end of 2018 was the end of Caulfield for me. Watching Damien Delaney give the Pats right back a headache by launching ball after ball at him was the pits.

[Dalymountrower]

Well that Cork team last night quacked and waddled like a Caulfield team and were cheered off by the Cork fans.

[micls]

Team cheered off for winning first game in 9,imagine that.

Anyone who thought our style of football was going to change after 1 training session is detached from reality.

Loving the Bohs whinging. Created nothing, no shots on target.

[Dalymountrower]

What whinging? Cork are just a horrible team to watch, on par with Finn Harps.
Deservedly 14 points behind us

[micls]

What whinging? Cork are just a horrible team to watch, on par with Finn Harps.
Deservedly 14 points behind us

Talking generally. Twitter is great for it. Every Bohs fan crying about how we dared to play defensively and not let them score. It's great.

We are 100% deservedly 14 points behind you. But not based on either performance against you. You have been poor, with barely a chance created in either game.

If we can get back to being solid defensively and not making silly mistakes we'll start to move back up the table.

[Dalymountrower]

I've no doubt that you will be competing for third to fifth place.But if the haemmorrage of support was as much down to the awful football as rhe results, what has changed? Caulfield beat us Cotter beat us.

[Ezeikial]

. Every Bohs fan crying about how we dared to play defensively and not let them score. It's great.


No surprise, its how most teams in a relegation fight play.

Unfortunately its also been the Cork style for the last few years.

Effective but hard to watch. My hunch is the wider Cork floaters won't support it even if it takes JC2 up the table

[Bohs11]

Talking generally. Twitter is great for it. Every Bohs fan crying about how we dared to play defensively and not let them score. It's great.

We are 100% deservedly 14 points behind you. But not based on either performance against you. You have been poor, with barely a chance created in either game.

If we can get back to being solid defensively and not making silly mistakes we'll start to move back up the table.
Putting eleven men behind the ball against a team of postmen and delivery men, you can live with it. After all they're in a relegation scrap. Cheating, diving and rolling around the pitch for 70 minutes was the issue.

[Pablo Escobar]

Putting eleven men behind the ball against a team of postmen and delivery men, you can live with it. After all they're in a relegation scrap. Cheating, diving and rolling around the pitch for 70 minutes was the issue.
It's almost worth going on a shambolic run and then beating Bohs again just for the reaction.

[pineapple stu]

Are Cork the anti-Rovers now?

[marinobohs]

It's almost worth going on a shambolic run and then beating Bohs again just for the reaction.

If beating a part time team is the height of your ambition, well done you 😁
Do keep it up.

[sbgawa]

If being part time is the height of your ambition well done :)

[Pablo Escobar]

If beating a part time team is the height of your ambition, well done you ��
Do keep it up.

Beating any part-time outfit at all is a positive given the run we've been on. It's just that most part-time outfits fans don't have a simultaneous meltdown in the aftermath. It's highly amusing.

[marinobohs]

Beating any part-time outfit at all is a positive given the run we've been on. It's just that most part-time outfits fans don't have a simultaneous meltdown in the aftermath. It's highly amusing.
Nice to see Cork fans back on the forum. They were missing for a while 😁

[micls]

I've no doubt that you will be competing for third to fifth place.But if the haemmorrage of support was as much down to the awful football as rhe results, what has changed? Caulfield beat us Cotter beat us.

Loving this string of posts.

What has changed? Nothing. He was in charge for 1 trainings session ffs.

The drop is support obviously was not as much due to the style as the results. That's a ridiculous assertion. When we were winning, crowds were high. When we were losing, they dropped. That's the nature of it.

The style of football gets little leeway when results stop, relative to other approaches. But when results are good, the crowds will come regardless.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that caulfield beating you was the last game we won. Any football fan not delighted after the first win in 9 has something wrong with them

[Dalymountrower]

I can't think how an assertion that a poor standard or negative style of football has an impact on crowds, can be classed as "ridiculous".Crowds are not solely determined by teams "winning"
We have had successful Bohs teams playing unlovely football in the recent past and we were doing well to get two thousand in the gates.We have a team now that will probably win nothing this year but play an entertaining style of football, except when playing Cork, and we are getting 3,000 a game..
So if Cotter continues the Caulfield style, but with a massed defence, and wins more games than loses, the Cork sporting public will buy into that?
You'll be back to your recent era of free admission for fans if that continues.

[sbgawa]

40000+ in the Aviva to watch Ireland play with jack Charlton managing would tend to prove puke football is irrelevant if the results are good

[Dalymountrower]

If Charltons team were playing there every second week you might have point.

[sbgawa]

Pats crowds towards the end of buckos reign, still playing football crowds falling due to continuing bad results ?.
Are u really suggesting that Ireland isn't a country of bandwagoners regardless of quality of play?

[El-Pietro]

If Charltons team were playing there every second week you might have point.

The football didn't get noticeably worse. The results did. If we were playing like Brazil from the 1970s but losing crowds would still be down.
Its not entirely down to results, but more results relative to expectations. Our expectations have been very high, so if we aren't competing for the title then we won't get big crowds.
Bohs have been outperforming expectations, so they get larger crowds than a year or two ago.

[Dalymountrower]

No.Just that the bandwagon gets less and less attractive if the fare is poor, even if the results are OK. Munster got to the European semi final this year withseriously declining support.
GAA football championship is the ultimate bandwagon, but the awful style of play resulted in pretty rubbish crowds by their standards last year.Dublin attendances , despite going for four in a row bombed last year.Except of course for the final, as it is a matter of social definition and status as to whether you have got a ticket.
Maybe Cork are the exception and any number of crubeen and drisheen addled locals will pack Turners X if they are winning no matter how awful the football.

[Bohs11]

If being part time is the height of your ambition well done :)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s6hX-PN0-fo/XAPqoNQT2WI/AAAAAAAAATI/IUGtp3ch3ccU6SQDo30664v73H65enXcQCLcBGAs/s1600/2017%2BP%2526L.PNG
Can't afford (https://leagueofirelandfinance.blogspot.com/2018/12/2017-premier-division-summary.html)to do that without a sugardaddy.

[marinobohs]

If being part time is the height of your ambition well done :)

As we know only too well BEATING a part time team is beyond your wildest ambition :p