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manic da hoop
13/04/2005, 10:30 AM
If relegation was the price we had to pay to save ourselves then I would gladly take it, so would any true Rovers fan. Major cut-backs with regard to the wage bill are likely to take place over the coming months so, in effect, we are now beginning the process of potentially sacrificing our Premier Division status in order to secure our long-term future - happy?
BTW there is no provision in the league's rule book to take action of any form against a club which goes into examinership, so feel free to encourage your club to go down this route if you believe it may be necessary ;)
Manic, can I just ask, are you sure to be rid of Maguire and Co now? Didn't sound like it from the snippet I heard on the radio from him.
Serious as the subject is, gotta laugh at the shels fans having a go at Rovers debts, and buying survival. Yeah, shels would never run up debts, struggle to pay players wages, or attempt to buy success on the field :D
bluemovie
13/04/2005, 10:39 AM
I hate seeing Rovers in this mess as it's tarnishing the league again. Shels did the league a lot of good last year in Europe and the Premiership-only fans have developed a new respect for the eircom league, but if the most historically successful club goes bust, it makes us all into a joke.
I hope Rovers can at least stay in the league next year, but it's well time for a serious reality check for them. Waterford are supposed to be one of the bigger clubs in the league, but we had to put up with years of First Division torture. Meanwhile, when Rovers struggle, they go out and take their relegation rivals' boss and talk themselves up for European qualification this season. When Roddy was at his "I need a club where we can win things", I don't think he meant winning a 4 month stay of execution from the High Court. How could a board 2.3 million in debt sanction buying a player who was in the Premiership just a few seasons ago? They were supposed to get Andy Marriott too - an ex-international.
I hope things work out for Rovers and would be willing to make a contribution if ye organise a collection at forthcoming games (?), but start to live in the real world this time.
Passive
13/04/2005, 10:51 AM
The rest of the clubs in the league have to support themselves and sort out their own finances but time after time rovers have been bailed out by the FAI and the government.
Yeah, the FAI and the government have been a huge help to SRFC, especially during that whole Milltown problem. They really covered themselves in glory then. They wouldn't even lift the phone for Rovers back then, they all stood by and watched as the club was left with nothing but a bag of jerseys, then they appointed Louis President of the FAI, but sure they're all Hoops really. :rolleyes:
Rovers aren't the first company to go into examinership and they won't be the last. The bottom line - and this may irritate other supporters but it is a fact - is that Rovers' plight has been hanging over this league like a thunder cloud for 18 years. We all know that there are enough people in this country who will use anything as an excuse to belittle the league and Rovers has been all the ammunition they need. The most famous club in the country was abandoned by the government, the FAI and the general public in 1987 and it is a miracle it is still alive.
This examinership gives Rovers the chance to start afresh. It gives us all the opportunity to bury the last 18 years and start again. It has become a cliche and it's a cliche that annoys the pants off some other supporters, but the league does need a strong Rovers. Rovers are the only club people in this country identify with and I firmly believe that our recovery paves the way for a re-birth of the entire league. I'm not saying we have to win the league every year in order for the league to have credibility, but we need to be in a home stadium. Once Rovers get their house sorted, it will go someway to repairing the near-fatal damage that has been inflicted on the league by our demise.
drummerboy
13/04/2005, 10:57 AM
The first thing to do is get rid of Maguire and Co. Roddy will probably also have to go along with the top earners. What you need then is to get into Morton, which will be a lot cheaper than Dalymount. Find a manager who is good with young players and knows decent players in Intermediate/junior football and get them in.
manic da hoop
13/04/2005, 11:00 AM
Manic, can I just ask, are you sure to be rid of Maguire and Co now? Didn't sound like it from the snippet I heard on the radio from him.
He's not nicknamed McLiar for nothing! The game is well and truely up for our current crop of directors as all current shareholdings in the company will be declared null and void by the time the 3 month or so term is up. It is a legal requirement for all existing directors to remain in-situ for the duration of the examinership. However, the real power of administration will now rest with the examiner himself.
higgins
13/04/2005, 11:06 AM
Major cut-backs with regard to the wage bill are likely to take place over the coming months so, in effect, we are now beginning the process of potentially sacrificing our Premier Division status in order to secure our long-term future
Its about time!! sacrificing your premier division status !! You have as much right to go build up debts as any other club in the country (Shels included) I don't have any problem with that but you need to run your own club with those debts... You can not enter into a process to write them off without being punished in some way shape or form. Dublin City could have easily spent their way to survival last season but choose the long term future of the club as more important.
This crap of rovers being good for the league is nonsense :mad: Yet again your all over the papers because of YOUR financial mess that YOU YOURSELVES got into. Its nobody's problem but your OWN.
Stop living in the past... You have no ground! Big deal.... Go rent like Dublin City and others have. Just because you were a decent club gives you no right to anything. Its sad to see others being punished for YOUR mistakes. Nobody but yourselves and bad management ran up those debts of 2.36million. If you cant deal with them then drop out of the league otherwise pay them off and play by the same rules as everyone else.
There is no reason at all to be that much in debt other then mismanagement by your club. Either cut your costs drop down the leagues with your examinership route.
drummerboy
13/04/2005, 11:25 AM
Would’nt it be interesting to know how much Shelbourne are in debt? But then again they are not so forthcoming.
He's not nicknamed McLiar for nothing! The game is well and truely up for our current crop of directors as all current shareholdings in the company will be declared null and void by the time the 3 month or so term is up. It is a legal requirement for all existing directors to remain in-situ for the duration of the examinership. However, the real power of administration will now rest with the examiner himself.
I get all that, but whats to stop him heading up some other spoofer and remaining there post examinership, debt free to do it all over again? I really do hope not, but is there the possiblity of him out bidding the 400club or others at the end of it? Considering the 400club funds will be stretched by the end of the examinership period? I really hope the 400 club becomes a major player, so finally, does the investment during examinership by the 400 club equate to shares at the end of it?
Ringo
13/04/2005, 11:40 AM
Ringo you seem obsessed by Shamrock Rovers plight. Are you Ronan Seery?
:rolleyes: heard that one before & its been answered before. it the biggest story around at the moment & cosidering what the Rovers board did to DC last year, you can't blame me for being interested.
manic da hoop
13/04/2005, 11:50 AM
I get all that, but whats to stop him heading up some other spoofer and remaining there post examinership, debt free to do it all over again? I really do hope not, but is there the possiblity of him out bidding the 400club or others at the end of it? Considering the 400club funds will be stretched by the end of the examinership period? I really hope the 400 club becomes a major player, so finally, does the investment during examinership by the 400 club equate to shares at the end of it?
It is part of the examiner's remit to go out and seek new investors to take over once his job is done. Ultimatly the club will be open to the highest bidder whoever he, she or they will be. Phase 1 is to get through the next three months, phase 2 is to ensure the club has a long and viable future beyond that point. There is, of course, nothing to stop Maguire (or anybody else) forming a consortium and making a bid, but this is unlikely. afterall, the main reason these people have stayed in place all this time was in order to somehow recoup the money they have invested over the past 2 or 3 years. The central purpose of the examinership is to present the club as a whole new attractive business proposition to fresh faces with cash to spend. If none are forthcoming then, irregardless of whether it is left up to either Maguire or ourselves (400 club), we are FINISHED!
Ringo
13/04/2005, 12:43 PM
It is part of the examiner's remit to go out and seek new investors to take over once his job is done. Ultimatly the club will be open to the highest bidder whoever he, she or they will be. Phase 1 is to get through the next three months, phase 2 is to ensure the club has a long and viable future beyond that point. There is, of course, nothing to stop Maguire (or anybody else) forming a consortium and making a bid, but this is unlikely. afterall, the main reason these people have stayed in place all this time was in order to somehow recoup the money they have invested over the past 2 or 3 years. The central purpose of the examinership is to present the club as a whole new attractive business proposition to fresh faces with cash to spend. If none are forthcoming then, irregardless of whether it is left up to either Maguire or ourselves (400 club), we are FINISHED!
With all due respect an Eircom League club is no an "attractive business proposition". Rovers are not alone in that regard. i'd doubt maguire lost any money , if the club owes 2.5million
higgins
13/04/2005, 1:02 PM
It would be interesting to know how much shels are in debt yes? But you have to weigh it up against what shels have to offer and what the banks think they are worth....Assuming Shels and Rovers owe nothing and both went for a 1 million loan. Shels would be more likely to get it. Rovers for their current league position and assets should not owe 2.36million??.
They cant just run up debts and then wipe it clean with new owners? :confused: Its not fair on other clubs who they have gained an advantage over. If they were to continue with the debt but cut back and restructure themselves I wouldn't want any penalty. That's not the case so I hope they get what's coming to them. Wouldn't it be nice if the 22 EL clubs could magically put a +2,000,000 on their accounts this year :mad:
One question I have is does the examiner have to sell off anything he can in order to pay the debts? Will he suggest certain players are released/sold or who decides on the wages for the next 70days?
Sure Shels could always give up their lease on Tolka for a nice payout from the tax payer to clear their debts. Surprised Ollie never thought of that...
manic da hoop
13/04/2005, 1:21 PM
With all due respect an Eircom League club is no an "attractive business proposition". Rovers are not alone in that regard. i'd doubt maguire lost any money , if the club owes 2.5million
Well it's up to use to market club in the best way we can, first we have to get our house in order and then take it from there. Shamrock Rovers is the biggest name in Irish football, we're not talking about some pub team like cHF here- there is massive potential at this club. It's just a case of having the right people in place to realise it.
As regards Maguire, well like all creditors he will stand to recoup whatever percentage of his investment that the examiner sees fit.
dcfcsteve
13/04/2005, 1:46 PM
:rolleyes: heard that one before & its been answered before. it the biggest story around at the moment & cosidering what the Rovers board did to DC last year, you can't blame me for being interested.
Here Ringo - what exactly did the Rovers board do to Dublin City last year that hadn't already been done by your rubbish results all season on the pitch ? Wsa obviously their fault you got relegated.... :rolleyes:
Get over it and move on. Either that, or go seek therapy......
gspain
13/04/2005, 1:53 PM
Here Ringo - what exactly did the Rovers board do to Dublin City last year that hadn't already been done by your rubbish results all season on the pitch ? Wsa obviously their fault you got relegated.... :rolleyes:
Get over it and move on. Either that, or go seek therapy......
The argument though and it is one Jim Roddy used to use is "If Rovers had not been spending money they did not have on players then potentially they and not DCFC would have gone down".
The same can be then said of every club within the league :mad:
You actually bought your way to premier division survival last season by building up more debts at the expense of clubs like Dublin City :mad: I'm not a Dublin city fan and think they are a 1st division team but it gives nobody the right to overspend and gain an advantage.
This rule of examinership is crazy. You get away with clearing debts and a clean slate while others such as Shels still have plenty of Debts!! This cant go unpunished surely??? The point was made that Pats and shels also have debts and yes that's true but you either manage your debts within the club an play football within your budget or you drop out of the league and go down the road of examinership.
You cant have your cake and eat it...
I'll be shocked if after 70 days you are allowed continue trading as normal with no points reduction or players wage reduction or enforced relegation and your 2million less in debt! That's a crazy idea.... Are rovers fans for real when they think that will happen?
Read this post. Roddy was in discussions with Rovers board, while he was still manager of Dublin City, the team that was in a relegation battle with Rovers. Players Roddy signed , refused to play for DCFC.They were also not paying their players & shouldn't have been given a licence, if they had been honest with the licencing board.
Passive
13/04/2005, 2:13 PM
After the examinership, the club will effectively be up for auction. Maguire can only take control if he offers more than the 400 Club. Alternatively, Maguire can only remain in charge of Rovers if the 400 Club vote him back in. Neither of these options are going to happen.
dcfcsteve
13/04/2005, 2:14 PM
Read this post. Roddy was in discussions with Rovers board, while he was still manager of Dublin City, the team that was in a relegation battle with Rovers. Players Roddy signed , refused to play for DCFC.They were also not paying their players & shouldn't have been given a licence, if they had been honest with the licencing board.
You were nigh-on doomed before Roddy even joined Dublin City, ffs ! Why do you think he was brought in in the first place..... ?
If it hadn't been for 11 Derry players letting a 2:0 half-time lead slip in October, because they were too busy thinking about their Halloween costumes, you'd have been doomed even earlier. :)
That aside - shoddy business practices (incl not paying players) are completely unacceptable, though have been prevalent within our league for too long now. Were Drogheda also not guilty of holding-back on pay at one point last season or the one before ? Dundalk also ? But who actually runs the league anyway ? All clubs need to put the foot down on this one - each of our club's share responsibility for the fact that this stuff goes on unaddressed/unpunished. Only crying about it when it affects you is hardly the right approach.
Dublin City went down last season because you were easily the worst team in the Premier. Playing the 'What If' history game changes nothing, achieves nothing, and just prolongs your pain. Get over it... :D
manic da hoop
13/04/2005, 2:46 PM
Some people, ok maybe just the bitter cHF fan, seem to be of the opinion that Rovers fans have no problem with the idea of screwing creditors and not paying our players. The idea that anyone of us would defend the behaviour of our shoddy board would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. This club has been downright reckless, we've been calling for regime change for longer than anyone here seems to realise. What is happening now is a process of rectifying those problems and ensuring that it never happens again. If any other club in this league went public about such matters, and then the fans came out and declared they were staging a coup I would welcome it as a positive step that would be beneficial to the league as a whole. Now I'm not saying that if you scatch the surface at any given club you'll uncover €2million plus debts, but the idea that everyone else in the eL is squeky clean bar us is absurd. Let he who is without sin and all that...
I don't think a fan of any other club can point the finger at Rovers for this. What clubs hasn't "folded" before & re-emerged under a different. I know city have done it in the 90's (better run now than ever before).
If the era ofd licencing is to mean anything it will probably have to ensure that clubs cannot fold & re-emerge under different holding company name but does not look like anything to prevent Rovers doing this in 2005. I think licencing should mean that if holding comoany folds then club would get relegated or have to start in junior football again?
If licencing brings in % wage cap then will be massive changes in the eL as would be few clubs sticking to even 80% wages to revenue ratio at the moment.
Slash/ED
13/04/2005, 5:59 PM
:rolleyes: heard that one before & its been answered before. it the biggest story around at the moment & cosidering what the Rovers board did to DC last year, you can't blame me for being interested.
What the Rovers board did to CHF was 'just business'. Happens all the time in the business world and sure we can't be making exceptions just because it's a football team can we?
What the Rovers board did to CHF was 'just business'. Happens all the time in the business world and sure we can't be making exceptions just because it's a football team can we?
No it s not & no it doeent happen all the time in the business, in most cases its against the law. Its not a football team thing, it happened between two business's, that are supposed to regulated :rolleyes: by The eircom League. It wouldn't happen in any other country in the world.
Slash/ED
13/04/2005, 7:31 PM
No it s not & no it doeent happen all the time in the business, in most cases its against the law. Its not a football team thing, it happened between two business's, that are supposed to regulated :rolleyes: by The eircom League. It wouldn't happen in any other country in the world.
It happens all the time, Roddy was legally entitled to do what he did, since you care so much about football clubs being businesses, your whinging is laughable.
And employees get poached all the time in the world of business I can't believe you'd try and deny that.
Carlin
13/04/2005, 7:48 PM
What clubs hasn't "folded" before & re-emerged under a different.
Eh Bohs. 115 years trading as the same company.
Continue on......
kevincronin2000
13/04/2005, 7:51 PM
Maybe Dublin City could change their name to "Home Farm everton fingal dublin city shamrock rovers fc" if rovers where to go out of business :cool:
colblimp
13/04/2005, 9:21 PM
This must be one of the most boring threads ever! :rolleyes:
Throw 'em out of the league and be done with it. :D
mypost
14/04/2005, 4:06 AM
2.36m in debt, players not being paid, examiner appointed by the court.
Any other league in the world would revoke their license or at the very least dock them 10 points.
But Oh no, this is rovers and all the bull**** that we need them in the league comes out.
The rest of the clubs in the league have to support themselves and sort out their own finances but time after time rovers have been bailed out by the FAI and the government.
They cant get their stadium built and they cant run a football club, by keep giving them money and time isnt helping, obviously.
The other clubs can vote to have them expelled from the league for the next season due to misconduct. i hope this happens and rovers learn once and for all its the same rules for EVERY club
Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.
Maybe Dublin City could change their name to "Home Farm everton fingal dublin city shamrock rovers fc" if rovers where to go out of business :cool:
as apposed to Cork Hibernians Cork City :rolleyes:
Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.
Can we have special treatment too so :rolleyes:. Your owners sold your ground. Most clubs lease their grounds rather than owning them.
monkey magic
14/04/2005, 9:44 AM
so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried? who owns that land? what r de chances of another el club taking up that project... say, for instance shels, who appear to be on de move anyways? it id be a pity if tallaght were to remain without an el club- its got massive potential as a hotbed for football in this country.
btw it id be a pity if rovers were to dissapear like drumcondra did, but theres no way that they shud be allowed continue as they were after this mess is cleaned up. at least an automatic relegation should be in order
Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.
Rovers have had special treatment for over 15 years - i think you have used up your entitlement. Its about time you were treated the same as all the other clubs in the league.
Clones Road Cas
14/04/2005, 9:52 AM
Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.
Id be amazed if that logic was applied to any of the div 1 teams. If the 2m in debt fig is correct then its completely unacceptable. I woudnt want rovers to shut, but you cant just sweep it under the rug and say, oh yes but we qualify under all the license headings.
Passive
14/04/2005, 10:39 AM
No it s not & no it doeent happen all the time in the business, in most cases its against the law. Its not a football team thing, it happened between two business's, that are supposed to regulated :rolleyes: by The eircom League. It wouldn't happen in any other country in the world.
Oh for God's sake would you get over it. Roddy was not under contract at Dublin City and was free to talk to any potential employer. For your information, Roddy is not under contract at Rovers either and he can leave us whenever he wants. If Dublin City poached him tomorrow morning no one at Rovers would care because we would realise that he had no contract and he merely exercised his right to take up a new job.
How is it against the law to employ someone who was not contracted to any other business? In fact, I don't even want to hear your answer because you're boring me.
drummerboy
14/04/2005, 11:16 AM
btw it id be a pity if rovers were to dissapear like drumcondra did, but theres no way that they shud be allowed continue as they were after this mess is cleaned up. at least an automatic relegation should be in order
Drumcondra reached the 3rd round of FAI Cup last season. So still alive and kicking in Morton Stadium.
Ringo
14/04/2005, 11:49 AM
Oh for God's sake would you get over it. Roddy was not under contract at Dublin City and was free to talk to any potential employer. For your information, Roddy is not under contract at Rovers either and he can leave us whenever he wants. If Dublin City poached him tomorrow morning no one at Rovers would care because we would realise that he had no contract and he merely exercised his right to take up a new job.
How is it against the law to employ someone who was not contracted to any other business? In fact, I don't even want to hear your answer because you're boring me.
Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.
Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.
Was it a Rovers conspiracy that you were shíte all season?
NY Hoop
14/04/2005, 12:51 PM
Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.
Passive has just told you the truth. RODDY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. We are sorting ourselves out and we do live in the real world as opposed to "lets start a club with no fans and whinge, moan and complain when we get relegated" effort.
Without Rovers it would be a poorer league. FACT. Higgins and the rest of the Rovers haters know this but cant bring themselves to accept it. The only thing for the birds is your joke of a club. We are getting our act together. What the hell do you think we're doing now with the examinership which was proposed by the fans cos the board wanted to continue racking up debts?
Ringo you should change your name to obsessed. If we got all your posts together I'd swear you have more posts on Rovers than eh whatever-your-joke-club-is-called-these-daysFC.
KOH
Passive
14/04/2005, 12:54 PM
Ringo, you're boring me. Run along.
LFC in Exile
14/04/2005, 1:55 PM
Rovers have a great tradition, but if they did go out of business then so what? Since the start of the league nearly a third of the titles have been won by teams now out of the league - 10 teams(Many reborn in new titles like Limerick United, Cork Whatever). In Northern Ireland? One team (Belfast Celtic) and their departure was not due to bad management bu sectarianism. In England no teams that won the league in the same time frame have left the league.
It would be a shame if Rovers went out of business - it would be a shame if any of the league clubs went out of business. My own club was very very close to it recently. But no club has a right to exist or a right to special treatment. If it happens we'll all be sad for a day or two and then the league goes on. Its happened with all of the other clubs down the years.
Passive has just told you the truth. RODDY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. We are sorting ourselves out and we do live in the real world as opposed to "lets start a club with no fans and whinge, moan and complain when we get relegated" effort.
Without Rovers it would be a poorer league. FACT. Higgins and the rest of the Rovers haters know this but cant bring themselves to accept it. The only thing for the birds is your joke of a club. We are getting our act together. What the hell do you think we're doing now with the examinership which was proposed by the fans cos the board wanted to continue racking up debts?
Ringo you should change your name to obsessed. If we got all your posts together I'd swear you have more posts on Rovers than eh whatever-your-joke-club-is-called-these-daysFC.
KOH
Your great , run up 2.5 million & then decide to do something about it. Cop on. Your going out of business. You have no chance of paying back the money. slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules & not living beyond their meens is sad. Make the most of your next few games, their going to be your last in the league for a long time. :D
Ringo, you're boring me. Run along.
Truth hurts, say goodbye to everyone as you leave :p
Slash/ED
14/04/2005, 2:28 PM
slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules
Sort of like your pathetic bitter whinging over Roddy Collins I'd imagine.
so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried?
Where do you get this from? The SDCC has recently, as in the past few days, announced again that they will be building the stadium and Rovers will be anchor tennants. If there are no complications with planning permission building will start later this year.
manic da hoop
14/04/2005, 2:38 PM
Shamrock Rovers will survive. Our ability to defy the odds, which is more or less what we have been doing for the past 18 years, is part of what makes us such a great club. It is something that sets us apart from all the lesser clubs people talk about that have gone by the wayside down through the years. If you think Shamrock Rovers is just about the number of leagues or cups we've notched up over the past 80 years then you are very wrong. It is about so much more than that. It is about all the people who see it as a great institution, something that should remain part of this city and part of their lives forever. This club cannot die because there are simply too many people who simply cannot allow that to happen. They were there at The Plaza on Monday night, they'll be in Drogheda tomorrow. Don't spend too much time thinking about though, somebody who follows Dublin City couldn't possibly understand such a concept.
Schumi
14/04/2005, 2:43 PM
Make the most of your next few games, their going to be your last in the league for a long time. :D
Daft comment, this is hardly a time for schadenfräude. This could happen to any club.
Shamrock Rovers will survive. Our ability to defy the odds, which is more or less what we have been doing for the past 18 years, is part of what makes us such a great club. It is something that sets us apart from all the lesser clubs people talk about that have gone by the wayside down through the years. If you think Shamrock Rovers is just about the number of leagues or cups we've notched up over the past 80 years then you are very wrong. It is about so much more than that. It is about all the people who see it as a great institution, something that should remain part of this city and part of their lives forever. This club cannot die because there are simply too many people who simply cannot allow that to happen. They were there at The Plaza on Monday night, they'll be in Drogheda tomorrow. Don't spend too much time thinking about though, somebody who follows Dublin City couldn't possibly understand such a concept.
Stop , you'll have me crying in a minute :p
Daft comment, this is hardly a time for schadenfräude. This could happen to any club.
If rovers fans want to slag of fans of other clubs , they have to expect some back. there 21 other teams in the league.
Where do you get this from? The SDCC has recently, as in the past few days, announced again that they will be building the stadium and Rovers will be anchor tennants. If there are no complications with planning permission building will start later this year.
Rovers will have to survive to be an anchor tenant. could you not lend them some of the 20million your getting for Tolka ;)
I have no problems with the whole Roddy-gate shambles, that is old news. As an Eircom league supporter and Dublin City supporter I think it would be a shame if Rovers go bang, but that is the way football is, it can be crule sometimes.
If rovers fans ask nicely than we may take pity on you and let you join our ranks when and if you end up with no club to follow :)
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