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joey B
22/09/2018, 9:14 PM
Great end to the normal season for Harps,pre -season friendly kind of game,lit up by Paddy McCourt!
nigel-harps1954
22/09/2018, 9:18 PM
Paddy McCourt.
That is all.
nigel-harps1954
22/09/2018, 10:34 PM
The first two seconds here make it all the better. Nonchalantly walking away from play going on ten yards from him...
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Sidefx
22/09/2018, 10:40 PM
Oh my, SPA 1 Bohs under 19s 3! - classy performance by the Bohs youngsters. Poor Pats crowd also.
Nesta99
22/09/2018, 10:57 PM
Did that actually happen? I was in the shed but left before the end (shame on me I know but in my defence I had a long drive home).
Douglas is a bit out of the way all right....
sbgawa
22/09/2018, 11:03 PM
The first two seconds here make it all the better. Nonchalantly walking away from play going on ten yards from him...
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Loving it. One more season paddy please.
Even if it's just off the bench for last half hour
Nesta99
22/09/2018, 11:10 PM
Great 3 points for Rovers against a dour Derry side.
The fight for 3rd remains the only bit of intrigue left this season it seems. The upcoming Rovers-Waterford game should be a belter.
And a big WTF to the psni stopping the ultras bus from getting into the ground cos" there's too much drink taken".
Presbyterian moral values alive and well in the nordie shades it seems.
To mirror those Presbyterians thinking in the Bogside...sweet jaysus! PC 'wise up!'
EatYerGreens
23/09/2018, 1:16 AM
The comparisons are interesting and both are regarded as living legends at Dundalk
Jim McLaughlin came to Dundalk as player-manager in November 1974 and by the time he left to manage Rovers in June 1983 he had won 3 league titles and 3 FAI Cups, including a double in 1979. Additionally he also won a couple of League Cups while giving fans some fantastic experiences in Europe which included a last 16 in the European Cup. 6 major trophies in 9 seasons is outstanding
Stephen Kenny is about to complete his 6th season at Dundalk and the impending league title will be his 4th in that period to add to the FAI Cup in the double winning season in 2015 and a pair of League Cup wins. 5 major trophies in 6 season (with the possibility of a 6th with a shot at another FAI Cup this season). He has also created some special European exploits that will remain long in the memory. There is little doubt that his record at Dundalk compares favourably with Jim's and may well surpass it if he stays to the end of his contract in 2020.
The biggest difference is when their honours at other clubs are taken in the mix, with Jim McLaughlin having 8 league titles and 6 FAI Cups across his career with Dundalk, Shamrock Rovers, Derry City and Shelbourne (in addition to winning promotion with Drogheda)
Stephen Kenny has a bit of catching up to do - he can add a single league title with Bohs and an FAI Cup win with Derry (to his haul of 6 League Cups) to his impressive Dundalk total, it remains well short of Jim's career total.
At only 46 years old, time is on his side but he has a lot of catching up to do. He is at the right club to close that gap rapidly
Surely Kenny doesn't plan to be at Dundalk forever, and will move on whenever he can get a bigger job in a different league ? He's done it before.
EatYerGreens
23/09/2018, 1:22 AM
Great 3 points for Rovers against a dour Derry side.
The fight for 3rd remains the only bit of intrigue left this season it seems. The upcoming Rovers-Waterford game should be a belter.
And a big WTF to the psni stopping the ultras bus from getting into the ground cos" there's too much drink taken".
Presbyterian moral values alive and well in the nordie shades it seems.
Does that mean the PSNI were outside the Brandywell car park ?!
There's a law against the presence and consumption of drink on buses on the way to or from sporting fixtures in NI - believe it or not. More details here : http://www.sportni.net/sportni/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/justice-act-_ni_-2011-alcohol-on-buses-to-sports-events-guidence-for-bus-operators.pdf
Ezeikial
23/09/2018, 8:14 AM
Surely Kenny doesn't plan to be at Dundalk forever, and will move on whenever he can get a bigger job in a different league ? He's done it before.
He may match Jim's record of major trophies this year and is currently contracted to 2020. If he stays till then he will most probably surpass his trophy haul record.
He has been open about his personal ambitions to manage at the highest levels possible.
Of course he will not stay forever - that's too long for anyone
osarusan
23/09/2018, 8:30 AM
We have had plenty of Irish managers in the UK, but they were famous as players there also.
How many managers have actually been successful in the UK after a playing career and early management career that was only/mainly LOI?
Fenlon, Kenny, Collins had brief and less than successful spells there. Who else?
Oh my, SPA 1 Bohs under 19s 3! - classy performance by the Bohs youngsters. Poor Pats crowd also.
Embarrassing from us. Gutless performance. Some poor selections too. Ian Bermingham and Conan Byrne both left on the bench. As was Kevin Toner.
marinobohs
23/09/2018, 12:59 PM
Great win for a ‘new’ Bohs starting X1 😎 even after shipping an early goal they won realitively comfortably. Nice game to watch but lacking any real intensity given both were safe and Bohs had one eye on next week. Pats were truly awful throughout. Great decision by Long to play the bulk of the U 19 team that won a cup recently at Richmond and it paid off.
For Derry fans ( who appear to fret on these things) nobody climbed over the fence although there was reports of goal celebrations - no injuries reported 😳
RathfarnhamHoop
23/09/2018, 1:32 PM
He may match Jim's record of major trophies this year
No he can't
EatYerGreens
23/09/2018, 2:05 PM
We have had plenty of Irish managers in the UK, but they were famous as players there also.
How many managers have actually been successful in the UK after a playing career and early management career that was only/mainly LOI?
Fenlon, Kenny, Collins had brief and less than successful spells there. Who else?
Does Sam Allerdyce count ? Launched his managerial career at Limerick.
Ezeikial
23/09/2018, 3:14 PM
No he can't
If you wanted to understand my point, you should be able to.
Go back and read my earlier response to you if you are struggling with it.
Just recovered today really from a great trip to Cork, obviously got the result we wanted and a great display, but we certainly weren't expecting that type of lame display by the home side.
Had a great day and night down there, stayed over, have to say very friendly set up, including the steward who sorted us out from inside the away end when we told him a mate had left a ticket at the gate, he immediately got it and the two of us got straight in. Had a good chat with some decent Cork fans too after the game in the Beer Garden pub close to the ground.
To think of all the fuss everyone made about tickets, myself included to a degree, we didn't actually get ours until 4pm but always knew we'd get in. Sensible idea too moving all DFC fans who bought online to away end.
Its a lovely ground, my second visit, the other was Dundalk's last win there, 2-1 in April 2015. The new wheelchair area is just perfect, we had one fan in there and she enjoyed the game with a great view, new toilets too, other clubs and not too far away from me take note !
pineapple stu
23/09/2018, 4:35 PM
Does Sam Allerdyce count ? Launched his managerial career at Limerick.
Sligo had a few too, but I think osarusan is looking at LoI players who've gone on to be successful managers abroad. Kenny is maybe the only one, and even then his success abroad is questionable/limited
osarusan
23/09/2018, 5:38 PM
Sligo had a few too, but I think osarusan is looking at LoI players who've gone on to be successful managers abroad. Kenny is maybe the only one, and even then his success abroad is questionable/limited
Yeah, I am thinking about really homegrown players and then managers.
Allardyce may have started at Limerick, but most of the trust in him would have come from his career as a player. Winning the LOI first division would have meant nothing if he didn't have that career in English football.
westernflow
23/09/2018, 5:49 PM
Eoin Hand got around four years with Huddersfield after his time with Ireland had come to an end. Not sure he had much success. He cut his teeth as both a player and a manager in the LOI.
RathfarnhamHoop
23/09/2018, 6:17 PM
If you wanted to understand my point, you should be able to.
Go back and read my earlier response to you if you are struggling with it.
You cant just count Dundalk trophies in a conversation for the greatest Irish manager ever
Ezeikial
23/09/2018, 6:31 PM
You cant just count Dundalk trophies in a conversation for the greatest Irish manager ever
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Please keep up - the conversation had moved on to Stephen Kenny's likely duration at Dundalk - hence the trophy count comparisons between two Dundalk managerial legends
In any other league these would be huge factors but in LOI they can be pointless in 6 months. For example Jim retired before he was 60 and still had 8 league, 6 cup and 4 league cup medals in his back pocket, managers and players alike can just vanish from this league as well as appear from nowhere. As for the right club, when Kenny took over Rovers that was the "Right club", 10 years ago it was Bohs, 20 years ago it was Shels, it's a very fickle league we live in and i guess that's why we love it.
The othr thing about McLaughlin of course is that he didn't take over the 'right club' at any time.... Dundalk in the doldrums 74, Rovers 20 years without a title 82, Derry in the First Division 88. Kenny came in to Bohs, Derry and Rovers when they were flying, but ironically enough he achieved his greatest success at Longford and basket-case Dundalk
littlebray
24/09/2018, 5:04 PM
Athlone have managed to achieve the unimaginable - an entire season without a single win on the field of play.
Just from the single Division era, the following had no League wins in an entire season: YMCA 1921-22, Jacobs 1929-30, Bray Unknowns 1941-42 & Bohemians 1959-60. Haven't checked Shields, Cups, and other confrontations.
dejadem
25/09/2018, 6:58 AM
Just from the single Division era, the following had no League wins in an entire season: YMCA 1921-22, Jacobs 1929-30, Bray Unknowns 1941-42 & Bohemians 1959-60. Haven't checked Shields, Cups, and other confrontations.
Kilkenny City in the 1994–95 First Division, no wins, just 2 draws
White Horse
25/09/2018, 9:47 PM
Good win tonight against Derry. Dundalk were terrific for 60 minutes but lost their shape for the last 30 and let Derry back into the game.
Almost have the title, one more point needed to make it official.
ToberonaTornado
25/09/2018, 10:23 PM
Dundalk started awful and finished awful - but sandwiched in between were some brilliant goals and some absolute champagne football from the champions elect.
I'm not counting my chickens yet :p;)
The scenes at the end of the match tonight were amazing.
:worship:
brendy_éire
26/09/2018, 11:32 AM
The match was over at half-time. Thankfully Dundalk took the foot off the pedal for the second half, though I think Dean Shiels did help us in midfield. In truth, Dundalk could have had three or four more, if they chose so.
Nice of Dean Jarvis to give us a wee break with the OG, and decent pass and finishing for our second.
Goal of the night, even with the non-existant defending, was Hoban's. Lovely shot.
Ezeikial
26/09/2018, 12:01 PM
Match highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cAe2iQy5g
Ezeikial
26/09/2018, 12:10 PM
Dundalk notch up their 16th league win in 17 matches last night, yet still fall short of the accolade of being the leagues form team, according to RTE.
It just shows you how high standards currently are in this league............
bohsmug
26/09/2018, 2:54 PM
Dundalk are champions. So they're a bit higher up the hierarchy than "form team". They're the best team. One of them things that's so obvious to most, there's no need to say it.
Interesting to read last night, along with this being Dundalk’s 13th league title, they will also have the most PD titles now (since LOI moved to 2 divisions in 1985)
7 - Dundalk
6 - Shels
5 - Rovers & Pats*
ToberonaTornado
26/09/2018, 3:20 PM
Dundalk are champions. So they're a bit higher up the hierarchy than "form team". They're the best team. One of them things that's so obvious to most, there's no need to say it.
I think the National broadcaster should at least get the simple facts right.And thats the point
Bohs are on a good run but Dundalk more so.
Just off track here for a min but we'll connect the dots . . . . .
Paul Reynolds,crime correspondent @RTÉ described the €26k found on John Gilligan at Belfast/Aldergrove airport as a "suitcase full of money" :D
RTÉ haven't a fecking clue lol
bohsmug
26/09/2018, 3:27 PM
Jesus some people will find anything to be unhappy about :D
NeverFeltBetter
26/09/2018, 3:30 PM
I don't know if its been noted anywhere here, but the FD play-offs are down for 5th and 8th October for Drogs and Shels, then 12th and 19th for the winner vs Harps. Presumably Limerick vs the winner of that will be the week after?
ToberonaTornado
26/09/2018, 3:30 PM
That true
nigel-harps1954
26/09/2018, 4:07 PM
I don't know if its been noted anywhere here, but the FD play-offs are down for 5th and 8th October for Drogs and Shels, then 12th and 19th for the winner vs Harps. Presumably Limerick vs the winner of that will be the week after?
Actually, rather inexplicably, a week and a half after. Monday 29th October and Friday 2nd November.
The dates for the First Division Promotion/Relegation Play-off series are as follows.
Friday 5th October
4th placed First Division club v 3rd placed First Division club
Monday 8th October
3rd placed First Division club v 4th placed First Division club
Friday 12th October
Winner of 4th v 3rd Play-off v 2nd placed First Division club
Friday 19th October
2nd placed First Division club v Winner of 4th v 3rd Play-off
Monday 29 October
Promotion/Relegation Play-off Final
Winner of First Division Play-off series v 9th placed Premier Division club
Friday 2nd November
9th placed Premier Division club v Winner of First Division Play-off series
So for FHFC we have an extra four weeks of wages and expenses with one gate at the end.. and if we do poorly in the first leg it might not even be that good a gate. Am also surprised that the premier team gets the advantage of the second leg at home- when we played Limerick previously it was the other way around.
ToberonaTornado
26/09/2018, 4:14 PM
So for FHFC we have an extra four weeks of wages and expenses with one gate at the end.. and if we do poorly in the first leg it might not even be that good a gate. Am also surprised that the premier team gets the advantage of the second leg at home- when we played Limerick previously it was the other way around.
Jesus some people will find anything to be unhappy about :D
Lim till i die
26/09/2018, 4:31 PM
Limerick will be in Waterford on the Friday and Ballybofey on the Monday.
I would say send the squad players to Waterford but what squad?!
Lim till i die
26/09/2018, 4:34 PM
The second leg at home is no advantage whatsoever to Limerick either.
Poor Student
26/09/2018, 4:59 PM
Jesus some people will find anything to be unhappy about :D
Just you wait and see us UCD fans moaning about the 5 week gap if we make the final. ;)
Longfordian
26/09/2018, 5:31 PM
Serious question, do the UCD lads get any money in the off season or what way do their scholarships work?
pineapple stu
26/09/2018, 5:47 PM
I think many of them don't get money during the season.
Scholarships aren't money though; it's course fees, accommodation, etc. So that continues through the iff-season - except that UCD don't have an off-season. Colleges league starts up shortly
Longfordian
26/09/2018, 10:02 PM
Cheers, I thought they may get some kind of additional payment for a bit of spending money. Most of the League of Ireland squad wouldn't play in the colleges league though would they?
pineapple stu
26/09/2018, 10:20 PM
If you're in the college, you play in the colleges league. It's a condition of the scholarship
Charlie Darwin
26/09/2018, 10:35 PM
Bohs are on a good run but Dundalk more so.
Just to be clear, you're saying Dundalk's three-game winning run is better than Bohs' nine-game winning run?
Ezeikial
26/09/2018, 10:38 PM
Just to be clear, you're saying Dundalk's three-game winning run is better than Bohs' nine-game winning run?
Bohs haven't won a match since last Saturday. Dundalk are the only ones on a winning streak this week
Charlie Darwin
26/09/2018, 10:47 PM
Bohs haven't won a match since last Saturday. Dundalk are the only ones on a winning streak this week
Silly Ezekiel. Winning Streak isn't on until Saturday.
samhaydenjr
29/09/2018, 3:36 AM
I know it's a bit late, but I was visiting my family in Cork last week and got to see City play for the first time in nineteen years... and boy, was it a tough experience. Dundalk just totally outplayed us on all levels - better on the ball, physically stronger, better organised. Once they got in front, we never looked like getting back into it, there was just no spark and no penetration. And I heard some City fans muttering that it was a disgrace, but whenever we got the ball and started to build from the back, I looked upfield and just saw no gap in the Dundalk defence. Meanwhile when Dundalk attacked, we regularly looked stretched, although we did cling on after the goal.
Just seeing the two teams play in the flesh, I could suddenly see that there is a clear gap in Dundalk's favour again and that it's going to be a big task to close it, which leads to the question of how? And the first place to look is probably the manager's position. Now, it really feels awful to even question a man who was a legend as a player and has brought unprecedented success in the last five years, building a club that had only just returned from the dead into seemingly the only team in the League that can currently even live with Stephen Kenny's Dundalk, who probably still have a good chunk of Europa League money socked away.
But... there's still that gap. And last year's success was significantly influenced by the outstanding form of one player and probably also the fact that Dundalk were still in transition after the departure of Towell, Horgan and Boyle. So the question has to be asked... is Caulfield the man to close that gap? And if not, then who? Is there really another manager in the League who could do a better job? If not, could City afford somebody from outside? Is Damien Delaney's return an indication of an aspiration to start a coaching career at City?
My own feelings are that, as long as he still has the support of his players, Caulfield should be given another shot... his Cork City team aren't bad by any means, they're just not as good as an outstanding Dundalk team. His teams over the past few years have had a lot of success, been organised well and played some very good football, in spite of his conservative instincts. And player-wise, he has shown a good eye for finding diamonds in the rough. But he really needs to take a close look at where they fell short this year... he needs to be able to evolve the playing style of the team and listen to advice from his players, particularly Delaney, as well as employ his eye for talent to find players who have that X-Factor: the ability to pick apart even the most organized defences, to terrorize lesser opponents, to create a goal from nothing on a bad day.
Which brings me to the other area where improvements could be made i.e. the squad. The FORAS team did an outstanding job resurrecting Cork City F.C. and putting it on a sound financial footing - this has surely been helped by prudent financial decisions when it came to player recruitment. But is it time to open the purse strings a little? Should City try to emulate Larnaca's success and bring in a couple of mature players with extensive experience in the Segunda Division/2. Bundesliga/Serie B etc. in the hope that they could take us another round or two in Europe? (I could probably point City in the direction of a couple of MLS players they could afford). Or should they follow Shamrock Rovers and focus on youth development, combined with picking up cast-offs from the English academy system?
Of course it's vitally important that the fans don't get cynical or despondent after this season's setback - they must continue to turn out in large numbers (larger, if possible), even against "lesser" teams to ensure the club has the finances to compete with Dundalk, initially, and also potential European opponents. Otherwise, there's little or no chance of keeping up with Dundalk
One quick aside: after the game my Dad and I walked outside the stadium to the St. Anne's End (where the away fans were) to meet a friend of his who was going to drive us home. We thought we still had time to drive along St. Anne's Road before they left. But when we got to the end of the road (which is narrow), one of the Dundalk supporters' buses was blocking the exit. When we looked back we saw the Gardai putting a barrier across the road to corral the fans towards us and suddenly, with visions of being swamped by hundreds of opposition fans, it felt like a scene from a horror movie! Luckily we managed to get turned around and let out before that awkward situation arose.
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