Israel V France. Switzerland V Cyprus

[brine3]

The run-in

Grp 4 Faroe Islands - Switzerland 04/06
Grp 4 Republic of Ireland - Israel 04/06

Grp 4 Faroe Islands - Republic of Ireland 08/06

Grp 4 Faroe Islands - Cyprus 17/08

Grp 4 France - Faroe Islands 03/09
Grp 4 Switzerland - Israel 03/09

Grp 4 Cyprus - Switzerland 07/09
Grp 4 Faroe Islands - Israel 07/09
Grp 4 Republic of Ireland - France 07/09

Grp 4 Cyprus - Republic of Ireland 08/10
Grp 4 Israel - Faroe Islands 08/10
Grp 4 Switzerland - France 08/10

Grp 4 France - Cyprus 12/10
Grp 4 Republic of Ireland - Switzerland 12/10

[FarBeag]

I said it before and i say it again.This Israel side is not a bad one as they proved tonight and are on such a high at the moment they could be the real surprise package and even win this group.

[Jon'o]

If three or more teams are on the same points how are they seperated? Also how do they work out the best runners up for automatic qualification? Nice one Israel!

Goal diffrence is not being used, it will come down to the results between tied teams to decide

[holidaysong]

If three or more teams are on the same points how are they seperated? Also how do they work out the best runners up for automatic qualification? Nice one Israel!

2 best runner ups go through.

3 groups of 7 and 5 groups of 6.

For the 3 groups if 7 they eliminate each teams results against the bottom teams to make them in effect groups of 6 and then all eight groups are compared with their 10 games to get the 2 best runner ups.

The remaining 6 runner ups playoff to get a further 3 to qualify.

[dancinpants]

I said it before and i say it again.This Israel side is not a bad one as they proved tonight and are on such a high at the moment they could be the real surprise package and even win this group.

I agree that they're better than people give them credit for but they certainly won't top the group (unless you seriously think they'll win in Dublin and Basle).

[blobbyblob]

Thanks blobby, not just an interesting person i see

You lost me now

[Shae_B2D]

I agree that they're better than people give them credit for but they certainly won't top the group (unless you seriously think they'll win in Dublin and Basle).

Don't think we can win in Dublin, but I think winning in Basle is a possibility...

ETA: and another Arab Israeli player saves us...

[Saint Tom]

don't disagree. Israel are far from being finished yet. Of all three, it is imperative we beat Israel and take six from them and Faroes. That will leaves us with 7 out of 9 to GUARANTEE qualification (assuming we don't draw with the swiss by a score draw of greater than or equal to 1-1).

Personally,
I think that the swiss are in best position (after ourselves)

[blobbyblob]

winner takes all in the last game

[FarBeag]

The Swiss can't go through,jesus i hope not anyway look at the way the performed in Portugal,it was embarrasing they were in our Group.We will want to be very very careful when we play Isreal,i think they can get a result in Basle because they are better than the Swiss.Its in our own hands and if we fcuk up. well

[blobbyblob]

BTW we are 4th on goal difference so it does count apparently

[Jon'o]

BTW we are 4th on goal difference so it does count apparently

prehaps but not in terms of deciding finishing places if teams are tied on the same number of points

[beautifulrock]

You lost me now

not hard to do it would seem

[thejollyrodger]

Its vital that we beat Israel!!! We really need to crack them in two. Hopefully everyone will be fully fit and ready to go

[Colbert Report]

We won't have Roy Keane playing in the Israeli return leg but I think we will destroy them. Don't ge tme wrong, they have played very well thus far but keep in mind they play on that training pitch in Tel Aviv where it is impossible to pass to knock on a through ball. The wide open spaces at Landsdowne will suffice and I wouldn't be surprised to see Robbie Keane score a hat trick.

[eirebhoy]

The Swiss can't go through,jesus i hope not anyway look at the way the performed in Portugal,it was embarrasing they were in our Group.
I was just about to post that I agreed with you that Israel are a very good team as so many people were dismissing them and then you go and post that. :) Switzerland did well in the European champioships considering the circumstances and performance wise they matched everyone they played.

BTW - This week couldn't have turned out any better. Before Saturday, even if we won in Tel Aviv we could have been 3 points behind the French. We drew and are now only 1 point behind.

I cheered tonight after the Israel goal just as much as I did after Clinton's goal on Saturday. :) We actually could learn a lot from Israel. They broke down the French defence a load of times with through balls and crosses.

[a beliver]

well , as an israeli fan i have to tell u
we should have won the game , we could have scored(and deserved it also) at least one more goal.
but we didn't
i guess it's the end of the story for us unless we'll draw in dublin and win in basle and considiring we havn't won any major team in this group i'm very skeptical about it.
israel can play very good but only for a few parts in the game , and she doesn't have the stability and experience to top from the current position.
i hope that i'm worng in everything i've just said , but only time could say.
we'll meet again in june 4 , hope we come as a big israeli expedition and party with u as u did with us in t.a.
good night everyone.

[FarBeag]

Eireboy...You are joking are'nt you about the Swiss at Euro 2004????They were sihte for goodness sake. Ingerland hammered them 3-0, France 3-1 and Croatia were unlucky to draw 0-0 with them.We would have done much better than that.Maybe I am being very thick here but what did you mean when you wrote 'considering the circumstances and performance wise they matched everyone they played.' They sure as hell did not match any of these guys. :confused:

[eirebhoy]

Eireboy...You are joking are'nt you about the Swiss at Euro 2004????They were sihte for goodness sake. Ingerland hammered them 3-0, France 3-1 and Croatia were unlucky to draw 0-0 with them.We would have done much better than that.Maybe I am being very thick here but what did you mean when you wrote 'considering the circumstances and performance wise they matched everyone they played.' They sure as hell did not match any of these guys. :confused:
The Croatia-Swiss match was terrible and nobody deserved to win. The Swiss were much better than England for 60 minutes until Haas got sent off. Even though Haas was sent off they still had more a lot possession than the English. They rested a few players against France and matched them for 75 minutes. Maybe they didn't match the French performance wise (the only game I didn't see) but they did against the other two. OK, their results look terrible but they were far from as bad as people were making out. You mentioned the word "performed". They didn't perform badly, they were just stuck in a bad group. I'm not saying they're world beaters, they just got way too much unfair critisism.

[the_bonk]

Correct me if im wrong but I think that if the group will have some sort of a tie , then you calculate it by a 'new' table - a table without the team that finishes last. true?

[eirebhoy]

Correct me if im wrong but I think that if the group will have some sort of a tie , then you calculate it by a 'new' table - a table without the team that finishes last. true?
yes.`

[Cowboy]

BTW we are 4th on goal difference so it does count apparently

it only counts when all games are finsihed and then only if a head to head against another team is not decisive.