Series 4 games postponed

[micls]

Ok so storms don't change direction except within strict limits (suggest you do a bit of googling there :) ) , waiting untill 24 hours before a match to give notice of cancellation is way to little and Ollie Horgan is a public menace.
Lol. Just because your arguing with someone doesn't mean you can't change your view you know. Tx for the spelling advice you've finally stated a fact.

You have a very strange method of having a discussion. You make a claim. When challenged you backtrack. Then you make up strawmen and say other people have said things they haven't. Then you attack those comments that were never said to feel like you're making a point. You ignore all comments disagreeing with you, moving on to insulting anyone who disagrees, and again making mistaken inferences from what they actually posted. It's either a complete lack of comprehension skills or a deliberate attempt to ignore any points being made and attack strawmen. I'm not sure which.

The 'you can change your view you know' makes me think it must be deliberate, because surely someone couldn't use that unironically while literally disagreeing with everyone else in the thread, without any change of opinion.

Maybe it works for you, who knows. It's certainly a great way to avoid actually engaging with any points made if it is deliberate. If not, well, our education system needs work.

[sbgawa]

Actually I did change my position Ollie said 8 hours notice , following outspoken making the point I wasn't considering all the other things involved in staging a match beyond those traveling I said maybe the fai could have waited until 24 hours before to cancel.
I still don't think that is a massively controversial position maybe you should ask yourself why you are so stuck in your viewpoint. If you can't accept that canceling a game at 24 hours notice is sufficient notice and allows time to consider changing conditions then I have to accept we are not going to agree. I think your wrong simple as.....all the rest is just noise.

[pineapple stu]

Ah stop sb. The point I made was that, even by Wednesday, the weather was so clearly to be conducive to a postponement that the decision could be made then. That was proven entirely correct, and other organisations followed suit (like the GAA)

There's enough of times to properly criticise the FAI. Giving out about them over this just demeans the correct criticism.

[oldfan]

So SB , how many pitches playable today?

[sbgawa]

Same amount if the forecast had been made yesterday instead of Wednesday. That was kind of my point....tx

[DannyInvincible]

There's not a drop of snow in Derry at the minute and the temperature is above zero, although that's not to say travel for the ref and Dundalk team would have been easy as I believe things are still pretty bad a bit further south.

[ToberonaTornado]

There's not a drop of snow in Derry at the minute and the temperature is above zero, although that's not to say travel for the ref and Dundalk team would have been easy as I believe things are still pretty bad a bit further south.

KS reckoned the match wouldn't have gone ahead regardless of storm or no storm.


FURIOUS Kenny Shiels has hit out at Derry’s Council, claiming the arrival of ‘Storm Emma’ has handed the local authority a ‘get-out clause’ regarding Brandywell Stadium.
The FAI announced on Wednesday the postponement of ALL weekend League of Ireland fixtures, including Derry City’s long awaited homecoming against Dundalk.

https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city/derry-city-kenny-shiels-hits-out-at-council-over-brandywell-stadium-1-8399649

[DannyInvincible]

Not sure why he thinks that exactly or what his suspicion is based on seeing as the the council have been clear that the pitch would have been available for training had it not been for the weather. The council re-iterated that the stadium and pitch were, weather permitting, otherwise ready to host a game tonight.

[mcgonigle]

Not sure why he thinks that exactly or what his suspicion is based on seeing as the the council have been clear that the pitch would have been available for training had it not been for the weather. The council re-iterated that the stadium and pitch were, weather permitting, otherwise ready to host a game tonight.

Answer: It's Kenny Shiels

[Candystripe]

There's not a drop of snow in Derry at the minute and the temperature is above zero, although that's not to say travel for the ref and Dundalk team would have been easy as I believe things are still pretty bad a bit further south.

No snow in Derry at all in the past few days, the Brandywell pitch looked perfect at 6.45 pm but I reckon Kenny Shiels was right. He does bull**** but this time he was right.

[Candystripe]

BTW, The Derry city team still haven't been allowed to train on the pitch!

[brendy_éire]

Derry are currently playing a match in the Brandywell against Coleraine.
No fans allowed in, apparently.

[DannyInvincible]

https://image.ibb.co/m0qDV7/capture.png

[mcgonigle]

So it went from not allowed to train on the pitch to playing a friendly on it in less than 10 hours, impressive...

[DannyInvincible]

No snow in Derry at all in the past few days, the Brandywell pitch looked perfect at 6.45 pm but I reckon Kenny Shiels was right. He does bull**** but this time he was right.

In fairness, there had been a small bit mid-week that was lying in places, although it had all pretty much melted by Friday. Unless I was seeing things. :o

Why would the pitch not have been ready to play on last night but it's OK this afternoon for a game against Coleraine? And if the FAI hadn't postponed the entire round of fixtures, meaning the Dundalk game was to go ahead as planned last night, where was it going to be played if, as Shiels claims, the Brandywell wasn't actually available?

[marinobohs]

Firstly, I suspect Dundalk may not have been able to travel yesterday nor officials fans national media etc.
I know many DCFC fans live in a bubble but it's not always just about you guys 😉

[DannyInvincible]

Nobody is doubting that Dundalk would have had difficulty travelling. I acknowledged that myself above:


There's not a drop of snow in Derry at the minute and the temperature is above zero, although that's not to say travel for the ref and Dundalk team would have been easy as I believe things are still pretty bad a bit further south.

That's not the issue. The match postponement was perfectly understandable. The issue is that Kenny Shiels claimed the game wouldn't have gone ahead anyway even if the weather had been good. He appeared to be suggesting that the pitch/stadium wasn't ready for a game (in spite of counter-claims by the council) and that the poor weather and postponement gave the council a convenient get-out.

I was just trying to work out how or why Shiels appeared to think the game wouldn't have gone ahead at the Brandywell had the FAI not postponed the fixture.

[ToberonaTornado]

https://image.ibb.co/m0qDV7/capture.png

When was this photo taken?

[DannyInvincible]

When was this photo taken?

It was posted on Instagram at about 2:30PM this afternoon, so I assume it is from around then.

[Candystripe]

It was posted on Instagram at about 2:30PM this afternoon, so I assume it is from around then.

It was the warm up before the friendly game v Coleraine which was played behind closed doors.

Derry won 3-1.

[ToberonaTornado]

It was posted on Instagram at about 2:30PM this afternoon, so I assume it is from around then.

Wasn't been smart with you Danny.Just with so much snow here and then to see that photo with none....clear blue sky...
Was almost tempted to say 'looks like a different country' :D

[Dundalk daz]

Dundalk to play a friendly in the morning Sunday ko 12 noon in oriel V warrenpoint town fc admission is free , but donations to the simon community.

[Ezeikial]

Dundalk prepared for next weeks encounter with Cork by playing a friendly today against Warrenpoint at Oriel Park, running out 4-0 winners with goals from Karolis Chvedukas, Krisztian Adorján, Sam Byrne and Marco Tagbajumi.

The most significant aspect was a composed performance from Stephen O'Donnell who played 75 minutes - he looked in excellent shape and will definitely be in contention for a starting spot for Fridays game.

I would not be surprised if O'Donnell and Chvedukas both started in central midfield

[DannyInvincible]

Wasn't been smart with you Danny.Just with so much snow here and then to see that photo with none....clear blue sky...
Was almost tempted to say 'looks like a different country' :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPeaha04lAUlzoc/giphy.gif

[Briuk]

How is it possible that teams are playing friendlies but they still postpone the league cup matches?

[nigel-harps1954]

Finn Harps played a friendly yesterday against Cockhill Celtic in Letterkenny too. Absolutely nothing wrong with Harps playing Mayo League tonight, roads are fine all the way too. I traveled up from Galway to Letterkenny yesterday with barely a shovel full of snow on the roads outside of Galway City.

People can applaud the FAI all they like, but these decisions should have been put to the clubs to make a choice as well.

[redobit]

Finn Harps played a friendly yesterday against Cockhill Celtic in Letterkenny too. Absolutely nothing wrong with Harps playing Mayo League tonight, roads are fine all the way too. I traveled up from Galway to Letterkenny yesterday with barely a shovel full of snow on the roads outside of Galway City.

People can applaud the FAI all they like, but these decisions should have been put to the clubs to make a choice as well.

Clubs didn't have much of a choice. The storm was changing regularly to a Red Warning status and clubs have to take the advice like everyone else. Clubs have a responsibility to their employees (the players). If the bus skidded or crashed off the road, imagine trying to explain that. The status is downgraded now so friendlies are no problem.

[nigel-harps1954]

Clubs didn't have much of a choice. The storm was changing regularly to a Red Warning status and clubs have to take the advice like everyone else. Clubs have a responsibility to their employees (the players). If the bus skidded or crashed off the road, imagine trying to explain that. The status is downgraded now so friendlies are no problem.

At this stage, I'm talking about tonights postponed games.

[thebronze14]

Could and should have been played. In one sense starting our season with a LC tie against Mayo is a very low profile start, on the other hand it would have provided more vital match practice

[DannyInvincible]

I drove past the Brandywell this morning and got the impression that Kenny Shiels might actually have been correct in claiming that the stadium wouldn't have been ready to host the Dundalk fixture had the FAI not postponed the round of games anyway.

There are still steel building site barricades around each turnstile entrance and, as you can get a good view through the new turnstiles into the area behind the Southend Stand now, I could see some building site debris still remaining inside the perimeter wall. There was actually a digger pulling out in front of me (from the exit at the lower end of Brandywell Road) with some of that debris in its bucket. He was obviously clearing some of the building site remnants out of the ground. There was also another builder with hi-vis vest (pretty sure he was wearing a hard hat too) letting the digger out by removing a barrier.

It's odd that builders are still evidently on site if the ground was supposedly ready (according to the council) to host a game last Friday night had it not been for the FAI's postponement of the game.

[marinobohs]

Nobody is doubting that Dundalk would have had difficulty travelling. I acknowledged that myself above:



That's not the issue. The match postponement was perfectly understandable. The issue is that Kenny Shiels claimed the game wouldn't have gone ahead anyway even if the weather had been good. He appeared to be suggesting that the pitch/stadium wasn't ready for a game (in spite of counter-claims by the council) and that the poor weather and postponement gave the council a convenient get-out.

I was just trying to work out how or why Shiels appeared to think the game wouldn't have gone ahead at the Brandywell had the FAI not postponed the fixture.

can only presume it was ground related (probably H & S or access issues for crowds ?).

[DannyInvincible]

can only presume it was ground related (probably H & S or access issues for crowds ?).

Having drove past the stadium the other day and seen builders and materials/debris at the turnstiles and inside the perimeter wall, I'd be inclined to agree this might have been an issue, but it's odd that the council would be insisting otherwise.

As it happens, the ground will be open with reduced capacity for the game against Limerick: https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city/derry-city-brandywell-will-open-with-reduced-capacity-1-8403655


Derry City & Strabane District Council has confirmed it may take some time before the refurbished Brandywell Stadium is able to operate at its full capacity of 3,700.

Next Monday night’s ‘homecoming’ against Limerick will have a reduced capacity of 2,600 because of safety management arrangements.

A spokesperson for the council stated: “The capacity for next Monday’s game at the Brandywell will be 2,600 based on stadia licensing requirements.

“The capacity will be increased at subsequent matches as part of an ongoing review process of spectator safety arrangements agreed by the Council and the emergency services, with a view to operating at full capacity over a period, in keeping with legislation governing designated sports stadia venues.”

Is this fairly standard and to be be expected with new developments or does it indicate that the stadium isn't actually 100 per cent ready, after all, and won't be for a while?

The statement is also rather vague. It gives no indication as to when the stadium will be operating at full capacity.

[sulywaterfordfc]

I’d guess the new stand will remain closed for now, sounds like there’s work still needed to be done and the council don’t want to rush and want to do it properly. On the other hand seems like they’ve only got health and safety with a reduced capacity just to keep Derry happy for now. All guess work of course, but from a Derry point of view there should be a detailed statement and estimated time frame released to give them some idea. I’d nearly go as far to say the club as of yet are to get an accurate one and are probably been fobbed off to keep them off there back for now

[SwanVsDalton]

Is this fairly standard and to be be expected with new developments or does it indicate that the stadium isn't actually 100 per cent ready, after all, and won't be for a while?

The statement is also rather vague. It gives no indication as to when the stadium will be operating at full capacity.

This gives a clue as to why Shiels kicked off last week. The stadium, pitch, the lot should've been finished ages ago. The fact that it's still not, that the pitch is barely bedded in, that the capacity remains limited while the council continually say 'nothing to see here hi' is beyond annoying.

[Mr A]

Maybe they are just seeing how far they can push Kenny. I can see how that would be tempting.

[DannyInvincible]

This gives a clue as to why Shiels kicked off last week. The stadium, pitch, the lot should've been finished ages ago. The fact that it's still not, that the pitch is barely bedded in, that the capacity remains limited while the council continually say 'nothing to see here hi' is beyond annoying.

The drip-feeding of news - invariably bad - is farcical at this stage. If those involved had just been up front about things from the beginning instead of repeatedly portraying things one way and then having to track back, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Candystripe]

The reason the capacity is reduced to 2,600 is because of the pitch being raised in the Southend stand side and is now only two feet from the stand ( it was 5 feet in places previously) so it's the Southend stand that has the reduced capacity. It's because theirs no exits on to the pitch in the event of an emergency.

The Mark Farren stand is good to go at full capacity.

It's all about health and safety laws, it'll be at full capacity for the Dundalk game.

P.S. you read it here first.

[Candystripe]

The drip-feeding of news - invariably bad - is farcical at this stage. If those involved had just been up front about things from the beginning instead of repeatedly portraying things one way and then having to track back, it wouldn't be so bad.

Derry City team have now played a friendly on the pitch on Saturday And had the full squad training on it at night on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday this week under the floodlights.

[Candystripe]

I’d guess the new stand will remain closed for now, sounds like there’s work still needed to be done and the council don’t want to rush and want to do it properly. On the other hand seems like they’ve only got health and safety with a reduced capacity just to keep Derry happy for now. All guess work of course, but from a Derry point of view there should be a detailed statement and estimated time frame released to give them some idea. I’d nearly go as far to say the club as of yet are to get an accurate one and are probably been fobbed off to keep them off there back for now

I was one of the few that was at the game on Saturday V Coleraine. The Mark Farren stand is good to go and has already been passed.

[SwanVsDalton]

Derry City team have now played a friendly on the pitch on Saturday And had the full squad training on it at night on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday this week under the floodlights.

While that's good news - and I'm not blaming the club here - this is all long overdue. Anyway, onwards and upwards.