2018 Televised Games

[Charlie Darwin]

The point doesn't really address the claim then, does it?

[micls]

The point doesn't really address the claim then, does it?

If a sell out means there's more people going to want to watch the game on tv, then I think it's reasonable to say more people are likely interested in a game with a bigger attendance.

Personally, I don't think game attendance has much influence, other than giving an idea of the interest in the game. Trying to quantify if a sell out dalymount or 5k at the Cross indicates more general interest seems impossible.

But, I think the original point that a sold out game should automatically be the tv game doesn't make sense.

[EatYerGreens]

Well if Turner's Cross isn't full, then clearly most people who want to see it are already going to be there. If Dalymount is full, that's not true. If there's 5,000 people in Tallaght but Dalymount is full, I'd say the same thing.

You're really determined not to let this go !:D

If a Dalymount game was a sell-out - again, let's be honest, largely because of its crap capacity, you'd be talking a few hundred or a thousand or so max who really wanted to go but couldn't.

You don't revolve TV content around those sorts of numbers of people.

[Charlie Darwin]

If a sell out means there's more people going to want to watch the game on tv, then I think it's reasonable to say more people are likely interested in a game with a bigger attendance.

Personally, I don't think game attendance has much influence, other than giving an idea of the interest in the game. Trying to quantify if a sell out dalymount or 5k at the Cross indicates more general interest seems impossible.

But, I think the original point that a sold out game should automatically be the tv game doesn't make sense.
I didn't say a sell-out meant more people are going to watch it on TV. It means there are people who would have gone if there were more tickets. If you don't agree with it, fine.

[Mr A]

Holy crap there's a conversation about live games and sell outs what is happening to this league I don't know any more.

[micls]

I didn't say a sell-out meant more people are going to watch it on TV. It means there are people who would have gone if there were more tickets. If you don't agree with it, fine.

You've lost me then. So what's your logic around tv should show it? Just for the small number that missed out?

Of course a sell out means more people would have gone. I just don't understand why that translates into it being the better option for tv? Especially when you consider more people may want to watch a different game.

[Charlie Darwin]

You've lost me then. So what's your logic around tv should show it? Just for the small number that missed out?

Of course a sell out means more people would have gone. I just don't understand why that translates into it being the better option for tv? Especially when you consider more people may want to watch a different game.
I think they should be shown as people are missing out on them.

[legendz]

Surprised that there is no live game on tv tonight. At least two of the fixtures jump out as being worth watching on the box for those of us outside the LoI catchment area.

[Eminence Grise]

U-20s egg-chasing is far more important. Didn't you get that memo?

[CorribsideSteve]

The Rovers Dundalk match is viewable on Cricfree. It's continually disappointing that Under 20's rugby takes a precedent on Friday night's like this.

[legendz]

The Rovers Dundalk match is viewable on Cricfree. It's continually disappointing that Under 20's rugby takes a precedent on Friday night's like this.
Has it a higher tv audience?

If RTÉ didn't want to show LoI this evening, fine, I'm more surprised Eir Sport didn't get in on the action.

Three Irish terrestrial channels are showing rugby this evening;
TV3: France v Italy
RTÉ 2: Ireland U20 v Wales U20
TG4: Leinster v Southern Kings

[CorribsideSteve]

It IS a surprise that it wasn't on Eir Sport, wondering what the reasoning is there. I can't ever remember LOI being shown on TV 3, although I stand to be corrected. TG 4 used to show live matches years ago and it was a very good broadcast, would be nice to see it make a return there. According to a recent Irish Times article, the average RTE 2 viewing figures for an LOI match are around 60,000, so it's a good bet that u20 rugby has a higher audience, but the again u20's six-nation rugby on Friday nights has been a staple of RTE2 for many years now so it's unlikely that will ever change.

[EatYerGreens]

It IS a surprise that it wasn't on Eir Sport, wondering what the reasoning is there.

It's because none of tonight's games sold out.

[trevy]

No live game next weekend from reading this thread. It's probably too late now but Waterford v Cork City would be good one to show. Is Dundalk v Shamrock Rovers next Friday as well?

[mcgonigle]

No live game next weekend from reading this thread. It's probably too late now but Waterford v Cork City would be good one to show. Is Dundalk v Shamrock Rovers next Friday as well?

Dundalk Rovers is on tv

[dong]

Dundalk Rovers is on tv
Another fantastic game on tv. Thats the 3rd excellent one so far. Great to see.

[dong]

Brian Kerr saying 'Tagbajooomi' was an added bonus.😁

[pineapple stu]

Enjoyed that the commentators started off with "Hooban" but gradually gave up on it and reverted to Hoban.

[WoodquayBoy]

On the Sky box listings, the RTÉ scheduled games was Dundalk v Cork City.

[Charlie Darwin]

On the Sky box listings, the RTÉ scheduled games was Dundalk v Cork City.
Maybe they meant the post-match entertainment on foot.ie

[IsMiseSean]

How many games have been shown live this season?

I can remember 5,
Bohs v Rovers
Dundalk v Cork
Waterford v Rovers
Derry v Pats
Dundalk v Rovers

I feel like I'm forgetting one though.

[Nesta99]

Bar the first one they were all good games and even the first one had an exciting ending. Was there ever a time when the vast majority of live games weren't poor fare.

[oriel]

How many games have been shown live this season?

I can remember 5,
Bohs v Rovers
Dundalk v Cork
Waterford v Rovers
Derry v Pats
Dundalk v Rovers

I feel like I'm forgetting one though.

Was Cork v Waterford not the live game on week 2?

Actually, just noticed the EA Sports cup re-fixed game between the two is next Monday night at the RSC, after last Friday we should demand this be shown live !

[sbgawa]

could be the biggest attendance ever for a non final of an EA sports game

[El-Pietro]

It was scheduled for last night until last Wednesday or Thursday. That would have been interesting.

[ger121]

What game is on the box this weekend and what channel? I’m in Tuscany and hoping that it’s Bohs vs Rovers.

[sbgawa]

If you have eir sport in Tuscany you can watch rovers bohs

[IsMiseSean]

Was Cork v Waterford not the live game on week 2?


I can't remember that. There was a game scheduled for RTE but was called off because of the snow. Could that have been it?

[Dalymountrower]

If you have eir sport in Tuscany you can watch rovers bohs
You can't.Eir have blocked it outside of 26 counties.

[D24Saint]

You can't.Eir have blocked it outside of 26 counties.

A VPN or the modbro app will work.

[Dalymountrower]

Thanks, what does one do to acquire said rabbit ears?

[Charlie Darwin]

Go into il gazebo electronico and do a rabbit ears sign with your hands.

Or might be easier to find an Irish bar who have a dodgy link to Eir Sport and beg them to put it on.

[Dalymountrower]

Not available on Modbro as far as I can see , any other inks?

[CorribsideSteve]

Fantastic atmosphere in Tallaght, looks about 5 K at it. Game hasn't quite settled down yet.

[CorribsideSteve]

http://www.4live.org/watch26/eirsport2.php

[oriel]

skorlive.com is becoming the best option to watch matches if you don't have it on tv, I got the whole Bray v Dundalk match on Fri, perfect stream on my laptop.

[EatYerGreens]

The stand-out game this weekend is Dundalk v Derry - 1st v 3rd - , yet RTE are travelling just a few miles up the road to Dalymount to cover 2nd vs 7th. And the second week in a row that the 7th-placed team will be on TV.

Do people want to tell me again that RTE don't have an unofficial policy of trying to broadcast games as close to Dublin as they can ?

[Asterix]

The less Oriel park gets shown on tv, the better.

[micls]

The stand-out game this weekend is Dundalk v Derry - 1st v 3rd - , yet RTE are travelling just a few miles up the road to Dalymount to cover 2nd vs 7th. And the second week in a row that the 7th-placed team will be on TV.

Do people want to tell me again that RTE don't have an unofficial policy of trying to broadcast games as close to Dublin as they can ?

It's on Eir, not RTÉ.

As a private company I've no issue with them trying to keep their costs as low as possible. RTÉ is a different story

[Ezeikial]

The less Oriel park gets shown on tv, the better.

The quality of the football tends to significantly overshadow any deficiencies in the optics of the ground on TV.

But I do agree with you for a different reason - that economically it can detract from the gate

[Charlie Darwin]

Whatever about the quality of the ground, the higher viewing angle at Dalymount and Turner's Cross looks more professional I think. That has to be a consideration for broadcasters.

[EatYerGreens]

Whatever about the quality of the ground, the higher viewing angle at Dalymount and Turner's Cross looks more professional I think. That has to be a consideration for broadcasters.

I'm sure it's a consideration to a marginal extent. If it was a choice between a ground with a good or ok viewing angle versus a bad one - one which affected the quality of images - then I would take your point.

But beyond that the broadcasters should be going with other considerations - like the general level of interest in the fixture and how good the fare is likely to be. Instead the over-riding concern seems to be time and again to prioritise games in or near to Dublin, only venturing out into the provinces occasionally. The stats for which games get broadcast would tend to back that view up IMO.

If you compare to S4C, who genuinely do try to broadcast games from a variety of grounds around Wales (when the temptation would probably be to just show TNS or Bangor a lot). Though as there is only one (badly supported) club in Cardiff, they don't have much choice than to hit the road anyway :D

[El-Pietro]

Since 2016 there have been 51 Premier Division games on TV (including Bohs - City and City - Dundalk over the next couple of weeks).
31 of those were on RTÉ and the remaining 20 on Eir/Setanta.
Of those 51 games just 15 did not involve either Cork City or Dundalk. 7 of those 12 were derbies. 5 Shamrock Rovers/Bohemians games, One Derry/Harps game, one Rovers/Pats game.

I think its fair to say that they are mostly looking for games involving Cork City or Dundalk as those are the top two teams in the league over the past 4 years.
But you asked about how often they travel out of Dublin.

Only 19 of the 51 games (37.25%) were at Dublin Grounds. 11 (21.6%) were in Cork. 10 (19.6%) were in Dundalk. The remainder were in Galway (3), Derry (2), Donegal (2), Sligo (1), Waterford (1), Drogheda (1) and Limerick (1).

Dublin is probably over represented but not massively so as they are typically 3-4 Dublin based teams in the league at any time. I think its fair to say that roughly 30% of the clubs have been Dblin based so 37% is high, but considering that the Dublin Derby (Bohs/Rovers) is almost always on TV its not that far out of the ordinary. Take the Bohs/Rovers games out and then its 15/46 Dublin games which is 32.6%.

They could easily just put Rovers, Bohs or Pats on tv against whichever decent side are in town that week. I am surprised at how little the Brandywell has been on TV in this period.

If I were in charge then Drogheda, Dundalk, Bray, Finn Harps etc would never be on tv. I'd only show games from the better looking grounds.

[EatYerGreens]

Since 2016 there have been 51 Premier Division games on TV (including Bohs - City and City - Dundalk over the next couple of weeks).
31 of those were on RTÉ and the remaining 20 on Eir/Setanta.
Of those 51 games just 15 did not involve either Cork City or Dundalk. 7 of those 12 were derbies. 5 Shamrock Rovers/Bohemians games, One Derry/Harps game, one Rovers/Pats game.

I think its fair to say that they are mostly looking for games involving Cork City or Dundalk as those are the top two teams in the league over the past 4 years.
But you asked about how often they travel out of Dublin.

Only 19 of the 51 games (37.25%) were at Dublin Grounds. 11 (21.6%) were in Cork. 10 (19.6%) were in Dundalk. The remainder were in Galway (3), Derry (2), Donegal (2), Sligo (1), Waterford (1), Drogheda (1) and Limerick (1).

Dublin is probably over represented but not massively so as they are typically 3-4 Dublin based teams in the league at any time. I think its fair to say that roughly 30% of the clubs have been Dblin based so 37% is high, but considering that the Dublin Derby (Bohs/Rovers) is almost always on TV its not that far out of the ordinary. Take the Bohs/Rovers games out and then its 15/46 Dublin games which is 32.6%.

They could easily just put Rovers, Bohs or Pats on tv against whichever decent side are in town that week. I am surprised at how little the Brandywell has been on TV in this period.

If I were in charge then Drogheda, Dundalk, Bray, Finn Harps etc would never be on tv. I'd only show games from the better looking grounds.

Good analysis El pietro.

I think the one fly in the ointment for it is that no Dublin clubs have genuinely been title challengers in the period covered. Yet they've been over-represented in the games covered. You'd expect Cork and Dundalk to have had good coverage, as they've both dominated the game here across that period. If anything - the number of games in Dundalk feels light.

So Dublin feels slightly over-represented at a first glance, but is even more so when you consider no clubs form there have been genuine challengers across that period.

[El-Pietro]

Good analysis El pietro.

I think the one fly in the ointment for it is that no Dublin clubs have genuinely been title challengers in the period covered. Yet they've been over-represented in the games covered. You'd expect Cork and Dundalk to have had good coverage, as they've both dominated the game here across that period. If anything - the number of games in Dundalk feels light.

So Dublin feels slightly over-represented at a first glance, but is even more so when you consider no clubs form there have been genuine challengers across that period.

So basically you have a point of view and when presented with evidence to counter that you are going to reframe it the evidence to suit you.

[EatYerGreens]

So basically you have a point of view and when presented with evidence to counter that you are going to reframe it the evidence to suit you.

Eh ??

You yourself said that your analysis shows that Dublin clubs are slightly over-represented. That was done by treating all clubs as if they would attract equal exposure. But the reality is that in sport clubs don't generally receive equal coverage - the one's doing better generally secure more live games. And none of the Dublin clubs were challenging for the league across the period of your study.

Does your list of live games cover cup fixtures too, or just league ?

[mcgonigle]

The less Oriel park gets shown on tv, the better.

Yep it looks awful, looks even worse when the camera is focused on the antics of brain donor's in the away end.

As much as it annoys you, we play the best football in the league and will be there or there about in October hence why our games are chosen.

Now if we all played in the ground that best reflected the ability of our team we would have swapped grounds with Rovers a long time ago. Sure haven't we already provided the best nights Tallaght Stadium has ever seen?

[Charlie Darwin]

Good analysis El pietro.

I think the one fly in the ointment for it is that no Dublin clubs have genuinely been title challengers in the period covered. Yet they've been over-represented in the games covered. You'd expect Cork and Dundalk to have had good coverage, as they've both dominated the game here across that period. If anything - the number of games in Dundalk feels light.

So Dublin feels slightly over-represented at a first glance, but is even more so when you consider no clubs form there have been genuine challengers across that period.

RTE literally showed 48 Cork City games in a row last season. That might not be an exact number.

[Asterix]

Yep it looks awful, looks even worse when the camera is focused on the antics of brain donor's in the away end.

As much as it annoys you, we play the best football in the league and will be there or there about in October hence why our games are chosen.

Now if we all played in the ground that best reflected the ability of our team we would have swapped grounds with Rovers a long time ago. Sure haven't we already provided the best nights Tallaght Stadium has ever seen?

I take it you're talking about the dundalk fans that attacked cork fans with pint glasses and bottles?

Oriel Park just isn't a good stadium to have on TV, not the only one in the league either, dos'nt look good and when the ball is over beside the shed the camera is looking directly down which isn't good viewing. Sorry for any offence caused.

[micls]

RTE literally showed 48 Cork City games in a row last season. That might not be an exact number.

Yeah, but they really didn't want to. We just drew it out for the exposure and sell out crowds...... Honest.