2018 Televised Games

[El-Pietro]

The Outside Broadcast is also contracted out to external companies. I know TVM do the broadcasts at the Cross.
http://tvm.ie/
Based out of Bartlemy in Co. Cork.

[placid casual]

[QUOTE=sbgawa;1951941]

I'd say it's symptomatic of one of the biggest problems Ireland has - which is that the powers that be are all based in Dublin and can't think or see beyond The Pale.

That's no way to develop a country - and helps explain why house prices are bonkers in the capital, yet only 90mins away you can pick up a mansion for less than the cost of a 2-bed flat in Dublin. Which is hardly New York City in scale to justify the disparity. And then the fcukers wonder why they need to consider closing rail lines around the island.

Broadcasters are just reflecting the same ignorant attitude that the rest of the powers that be show towards anywhere outside Dublin. An inconvenient wilderness to be avoided if at all possible :D

Fu**in culchies. Always giving out.
Not content to have tied up most of the cushy jobs in Dublin through their " who you know, not what you know " family connections, and paying over the odds for crap houses in Dublin, thus driving up the prices and forcing Dublin people to have to buy houses in backwaters like portarlington, they give out about the disparity in league coverage..
Dundalk is like fallujah, cork is a town mascerading as a city, and galway comprises mainly of English people with dogs on ropes!

I feel better already.

[Dalymountrower]

[QUOTE=EatYerGreens;1951943]

Fu**in culchies. Always giving out.
Not content to have tied up most of the cushy jobs in Dublin through their " who you know, not what you know " family connections, and paying over the odds for crap houses in Dublin, thus driving up the prices and forcing Dublin people to have to buy houses in backwaters like portarlington, they give out about the disparity in league coverage..
Dundalk is like fallujah, cork is a town mascerading as a city, and galway comprises mainly of English people with dogs on ropes!

I feel better already.
People with dogs and ropes with giant paper mache heads.

[sbgawa]

Outside Bohs and Shams fans the match doesn't have that much appeal. If anything it has become a bit of a laughing stock in LOI circles with the schoolagism side to it.

The stations wouldn't show the matches if they didn't see the demand

[legendz]

Bohs have the fourth highest appeal of all, if you go on attendances.
That is fair enough. Possibly viewing figures are high for Bohs. I've met many people down through the years from non-LoI areas throughout the country who have a soft spot for Bohs. Not many of them have seen them live however!

I actually have sympathy for Eir and RTE.
The viewing figures are poor for the matches, unlikely to generat any add revenue beyond a rerun of an old movie and the costs of set up and paying the staff of going outside Dublin would be considerable

Eir seem to want more games if they can get them. Not entirely sure the viewing figures are as low as some might suggest.

[QUOTE=EatYerGreens;1951943]

Fu**in culchies. Always giving out.
Not content to have tied up most of the cushy jobs in Dublin through their " who you know, not what you know " family connections, and paying over the odds for crap houses in Dublin, thus driving up the prices and forcing Dublin people to have to buy houses in backwaters like portarlington, they give out about the disparity in league coverage..
Haha.

I know this is a discussion for a non sport thread but; Following on from Brexit Dublin has lost out on jobs to other European cities. There needs to be more strategic investment in Galway, Limerick, Cork and Waterford.

[EatYerGreens]

The stations wouldn't show the matches if they didn't see the demand

Isn't RTE forced to show matches as part of the international match rights ?

As for Eir - is their reach big enough to register on the TV ratings panel ? If not - unless they've got some sophisticated technology I'm not aware of, they'd have no real way of knowing which specific shows attract what specific audience. They seem to reply largely on the occasional survey of their members, and asking people what they want to access when they join up, to get a feel for the broad categories of demand. Plus they just need content, & the lack of any rights payments makes the LOI a cheap source of that

[El-Pietro]

Honestly games should only be on television in the better looking stadia. Tallaght, Turners Cross, Dalymount, Showgrounds, maybe the RSC and Brandywell. We should be doing everything we can to give outsiders a good impression of our league. Dundalk play good football but their stadium isn't fit for television, Sean Maguires hattrick up there last season was tainted for the tv viewer. Same for Bray. I'm not sure about Limericks stadium.

In an ideal world we would broadcast a game a week, and get paid for it, maybe from some international television companies and split the money evenly between all 20 clubs with a small bonus to the teams on tv. That money should be only allowed to be spent on infrastructure, academies and community programmes.

[sidewayspasser]

As for Eir - is their reach big enough to register on the TV ratings panel ? If not - unless they've got some sophisticated technology I'm not aware of, they'd have no real way of knowing which specific shows attract what specific audience.
I'd say Eir will have pretty accurate figures from their broadband customers. It's not that hard to count to how many users a stream is served.

[Kingswood Rover]

The draw to the center is a common problem across multiple countries and has been since the dawn of civilization, roman empire perhaps being the most obvious one. Anyway from a dubs point of view living in the country i often get the feeling we are often always looked down as being less than Irish because we were born in Dublin.

[EnzoScifo10]

Honestly games should only be on television in the better looking stadia. Tallaght, Turners Cross, Dalymount, Showgrounds, maybe the RSC and Brandywell. We should be doing everything we can to give outsiders a good impression of our league. Dundalk play good football but their stadium isn't fit for television, Sean Maguires hattrick up there last season was tainted for the tv viewer. Same for Bray. I'm not sure about Limericks stadium.

In an ideal world we would broadcast a game a week, and get paid for it, maybe from some international television companies and split the money evenly between all 20 clubs with a small bonus to the teams on tv. That money should be only allowed to be spent on infrastructure, academies and community programmes.


Looked good last year when we beat ye 2 1 :rolleyes: (just leave it go, we didn't have many highlights...)

[EatYerGreens]

The draw to the center is a common problem across multiple countries and has been since the dawn of civilization, roman empire perhaps being the most obvious one. Anyway from a dubs point of view living in the country i often get the feeling we are often always looked down as being less than Irish because we were born in Dublin.

That'll happen if you spit on the 1916 rebels and greet the British monarch with Union flags a few years before you're clamouring for independence :p

[EatYerGreens]

The draw to the center is a common problem across multiple countries and has been since the dawn of civilization, roman empire perhaps being the most obvious one. Anyway from a dubs point of view living in the country i often get the feeling we are often always looked down as being less than Irish because we were born in Dublin.

I know it's an aside, but this isn't actually true. Most countries at least try to secure regional balance, not just lump everything in one place (with notable exceptions like France and, to a lesser extent, the UK).

Take the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Brazil, India, Russia, Vietnam, South Africa etc (I could go on). All have different cities fulfilling one of more of the roles of Political, Economic and Cultural capitals (the 3 main roles cities can hold in any nation). In Ireland we've just put everything into Dublin. And then we wonder why the place is over-heated and the rest of the country is struggling. D'uh.

[sulywaterfordfc]

The "biggest derby in the country" has increasingly less bearing on the title race these days. And doesn't draw anywhere near the biggest crowd of any LOI fixture, so is more forth than substance. And there's every chance that Cork's derbies against both Waterford and Limerick will draw bigger crowds this year.

Your point about Bohs playing the champions twice would make sense - if no-one else was playing Cork. But every team gets to play them, so the fact Bohs have their first 2 games against them aired just looks a little weird.

For a mid-table team to feature in two-thirds of the televised games is more than a bit strange. It's also in my opinion daft to televise only one home Cork game in that series - given that they're the champions, draw the biggest crowds and their ground looks and sounds good on telly. But Cork is a pain in the arse to get back to Dublin from with an outside broadcast crew late on a Friday night, so it suits Eir and RTE to toddle along to Dalyer or Tallaght instead.

The Dublin derby has the biggest attraction in the league without a doubt, games been sold out for a couple weeks now. That’s the game people want to watch. Besides Waterford games, that’s the only other game I want to see on TV - I sure I’m not the only one either.

[redobit]

I know this is a discussion for a non sport thread but; Following on from Brexit Dublin has lost out on jobs to other European cities. There needs to be more strategic investment in Galway, Limerick, Cork and Waterford.

Believe it or not there is counties north of the line between Dublin and Galway.

[EatYerGreens]

Believe it or not there is counties north of the line between Dublin and Galway.

Even the Irish government is starting to accept the argument that they need to view Derry city/north-east Donegal/north-west Tyrone as a coherent economic unit/city, and treat it as such in the Republic's Spatial Development Plan.

Someone else can make the argument for Sligo.

[EatYerGreens]

What do those who were making the case on here that Bohs-Rovers is a mouth watering tussle that the media just couldn't ignore think of the fare they served up for the cameras this evening ?

It was really bad football, of the kind that would probably have seen a huge drop in viewing figures after about 30mins in. And I don't think a ground that's only half-used looks good on TV either.

Pats v Cork was always likely to be a better fixture, so should've been the first choice IMO. Also - hasn't there been an unwritten tradition of airing the champions in the first game of the season?

[sbgawa]

Obviously they should never show it again but let's not let 1 brutal match between bohs and rovers (with a full house , flares , flags and 4 goals) interfere with a good hissy fit :)

[ger121]

What do those who were making the case on here that Bohs-Rovers is a mouth watering tussle that the media just couldn't ignore think of the fare they served up for the cameras this evening ?

It was really bad football, of the kind that would probably have seen a huge drop in viewing figures after about 30mins in. And I don't think a ground that's only half-used looks good on TV either.

Pats v Cork was always likely to be a better fixture, so should've been the first choice IMO. Also - hasn't there been an unwritten tradition of airing the champions in the first game of the season?

Season opener,two bitter rivals, a full house, red hot atmosphere under lights and 4 goals. Sounds terrible!

[sbgawa]

Season opener,two bitter rivals, a full house, red hot atmosphere under lights and 4 goals. Sounds terrible!

Don't start sounding like a reasonable person ....I'm supposed to hate you :) didn't you hear that the football was terrible...the first time it's ever happened on Rte.

[redobit]

Season opener,two bitter rivals, a full house, red hot atmosphere under lights and 4 goals. Sounds terrible!

LOI fans might get that but non-LOI football fans that were tunning in to see a decent match or what the quality of the LOI is like ... well you'd turn off pretty quickly. Unfortunately it really was a poor game of hoofball. Not what was needed for a season opener.

[EatYerGreens]

LOI fans might get that but non-LOI football fans that were tunning in to see a decent match or what the quality of the LOI is like ... well you'd turn off pretty quickly. Unfortunately it really was a poor game of hoofball. Not what was needed for a season opener.

This 100%

Yet if you question the wisdom of showing 'Ireland's biggest derby' (c) over other games, you get told you're having a hissy fit :D

The best bit of commentary was when Brian Kerr said at half time that he thought the ambulance was going to have to come onto the pitch and take the ball away, due to the brutal treatment it was receiving :p

[sbgawa]

The hissy fit was for asking what people who thought they should show the match thought of the quality of the match as if they were connected.
We get it u didn't want rovers bohs on. Bad matches happen sometimes whether the match is shown or not.

[Nesta99]

and I thought Shamrock Rovers never wanted to have their games televised or is that only home games!!? Bohs and Shams fans are being pretty precious about the observations of the televised game and at suggestion that another fixture might have been a better choice. It was a brutal game to watch of that there is no argument. Was it interesting to watch? The last 10 minutes were. Was it the 'good advertisment for the league'? Nope!! Should Bohs fans care, not in the slightest considering how it panned out. Shams fans should be wishing everything about the game disappear, not be on open record. Eat Your Greens sideswipes at the Dublin jackeen historical stereotype and attempts to formally draw Londonderry and Tyrone in to the Irish governments spatial strategy is far more interesting than the televised game.

[sbgawa]

The game was brutal no argument. Prefer home games not on tv as I do believe it costs us money but ho hum really. Would I have every game televised if it meant we won the league .........absolutely :)

[marinobohs]

That'll happen if you spit on the 1916 rebels and greet the British monarch with Union flags a few years before you're clamouring for independence :p

genuine early contender for FOOT.IE most ridiculous post 2018 (and it's still only February 😀).
if you are that concerned about seeing a team/game then climb off the barstool and go along. It really is that easy.

[marinobohs]

The game was brutal no argument. Prefer home games not on tv as I do believe it costs us money but ho hum really. Would I have every game televised if it meant we won the league .........absolutely :)

most fans care about the result more than performance. And Bohs/Rovers game not really a place for neutrals anyway. Saw Mick Wallace at Dalymount, seemed to be cheering on Bohs ��

[marinobohs]

What do those who were making the case on here that Bohs-Rovers is a mouth watering tussle that the media just couldn't ignore think of the fare they served up for the cameras this evening ?

It was really bad football, of the kind that would probably have seen a huge drop in viewing figures after about 30mins in. And I don't think a ground that's only half-used looks good on TV either.

Pats v Cork was always likely to be a better fixture, so should've been the first choice IMO. Also - hasn't there been an unwritten tradition of airing the champions in the first game of the season?

if Pats V Cork was "always likely to be a better fixture" how come Bohs V Rovers sold out two weeks ago ?
Last nights attendances DALYMOUNT - 3,500 RICHMOND 2,771.
guess you just know better than those that attend games ��

[micls]

if Pats V Cork was "always likely to be a better fixture" how come Bohs V Rovers sold out two weeks ago ?
Last nights attendances DALYMOUNT - 3,500 RICHMOND 2,771.
guess you just know better than those that attend games ��

* Because there are more Bohs fans than Pat's fans
* Because its easier for Rovers fans to go to Bohs that Cork City fans to go to Richmond.

What a ridiculous argument. Since when does the crowd indicate the quality of the game? By that logic they should just have us on tele every week were at home cos apparently the biggest crowd equals the best quality game.

[pineapple stu]

Ireland get huge crowds; think how good they must be.

[sbgawa]

Ireland get huge crowds; think how good they must be.

Now don't start saying the bohs rovers match was worse then the average Ireland game. Now that would be a complete insult.

[sbgawa]

In my never ending quest to spread the gospel I brought a loi Virgin along last night. Loved the atmosphere and intends going to dundalk match...never been at a live football match before. We have a great product need to keep selling.

[littlebray]

... hasn't there been an unwritten tradition of airing the champions in the first game of the season?

Yes, there was - until the Michael D Cup came along. It makes less sense to air a Champions' match again the following week.

[El-Pietro]

Yes, there was - until the Michael D Cup came along. It makes less sense to air a Champions' match again the following week.
Wait, was last Sundays game on tv after all?

[Pablo Escobar]

Yes, there was - until the Michael D Cup came along. It makes less sense to air a Champions' match again the following week.

The only airing I got of the Micky D cup was highlights (goals), 24 hours later and in reverse order courtesy of Dundalk FC. Credit due to Dundalk to putting the highlights up tbf.

[littlebray]

Wait, was last Sundays game on tv after all?

My bad - but wasn't it on TV the first couple of seasons it was played?? Or am i misremembering that, too?

[legendz]

Believe it or not there is counties north of the line between Dublin and Galway.True and fair enough. I haven't strayed north of that line.

[EatYerGreens]

if Pats V Cork was "always likely to be a better fixture" how come Bohs V Rovers sold out two weeks ago ?

Because there's no accounting for taste :cool:

[micls]

My bad - but wasn't it on TV the first couple of seasons it was played?? Or am i misremembering that, too?

It was streamed online but not on TV.

[EatYerGreens]

My bad - but wasn't it on TV the first couple of seasons it was played?? Or am i misremembering that, too?

Don't recall it being on myself, but I could be wrong on that.

[Pablo Escobar]

My bad - but wasn't it on TV the first couple of seasons it was played?? Or am i misremembering that, too?
I think Dundalk Pats was on in 2015. We've been in it since then and it hasn't been shown live on TV. It was streamed live from Cork the last 2 years, but it couldn't even the streamed this year, apparently due to internet speed in Dundalk.

[Charlie Darwin]

The Dublin derby has the biggest attraction in the league without a doubt, games been sold out for a couple weeks now. That’s the game people want to watch. Besides Waterford games, that’s the only other game I want to see on TV - I sure I’m not the only one either.
Any game that sells out should be on TV by definition - there are people who will miss out so the demand should be met by TV. It's as close to a no-lose situation as we get in this league.

[EatYerGreens]

Any game that sells out should be on TV by definition - there are people who will miss out so the demand should be met by TV. It's as close to a no-lose situation as we get in this league.

That's a ridiculous argument to be fair.

Games selling out are as much a reflection of the lack of stadium capacity in our league as they are a surplus of demand. Derry had a number of sold out games last year - but that's because they were playing in a stadium with a c. 1,500 capacity, fro example. Should they have been aired over other fixtures with bigger crowds ?

Cork will have multiple home games this season with higher gates than Friday's Bohs-Rovers fixture. By your logic none of those should be televised if games elsewhere with a lower capacity sell out.

Plus - TV schedules have to be sorted in-advance, whereas it won't always be clear if a game will set out in sufficient time.

[Charlie Darwin]

That's a ridiculous argument to be fair.

Games selling out are as much a reflection of the lack of stadium capacity in our league as they are a surplus of demand. Derry had a number of sold out games last year - but that's because they were playing in a stadium with a c. 1,500 capacity, fro example. Should they have been aired over other fixtures with bigger crowds ?
Maginn Park obviously wasn't suitable for TV coverage. What other ground would you say this example holds true for?


Cork will have multiple home games this season with higher gates than Friday's Bohs-Rovers fixture. By your logic none of those should be televised if games elsewhere with a lower capacity sell out.
When will this be a factor?

[EatYerGreens]

Maginn Park obviously wasn't suitable for TV coverage. What other ground would you say this example holds true for?

The very example we're talking about. Dalymount has a capacity which will be between 50% and 100% smaller than some crowds Cork are likely to attract in the next few years. By your logic, any Dalymount sell outs should therefore have precedence.



When will this be a factor?

As above.

A policy of deciding what games to air on the basis of what sells out in a league where some stadia have pretty low capacities - up to half as low as some other grounds - is just not a sensible idea. Which is why I suspect it will fortunately not be followed by any broadcaster.

[sbgawa]

The broadcasters show what they think will get the biggest viewer figures. Their view is probably as far to an unbiased one as possible.

[EatYerGreens]

The broadcasters show what they think will get the biggest viewer figures. Their view is probably as far to an unbiased one as possible.

That, and proximity to Dublin clearly :D

[Charlie Darwin]

The very example we're talking about. Dalymount has a capacity which will be between 50% and 100% smaller than some crowds Cork are likely to attract in the next few years. By your logic, any Dalymount sell outs should therefore have precedence.
Well if Turner's Cross isn't full, then clearly most people who want to see it are already going to be there. If Dalymount is full, that's not true. If there's 5,000 people in Tallaght but Dalymount is full, I'd say the same thing.

[micls]

Well if Turner's Cross isn't full, then clearly most people who want to see it are already going to be there. If Dalymount is full, that's not true. If there's 5,000 people in Tallaght but Dalymount is full, I'd say the same thing.

Most television viewers are neutrals and away fans, not home fans who couldn't make it. Any game in Turners Cross, there's likely more away fans that couldn't make the trip, than there were people missed out on tickets for Dalymount last week. Those numbers would be fairly negligible, even in a sell out.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well if that's the case why does it matter if there's more people at the Cork game?

[micls]

Well if that's the case why does it matter if there's more people at the Cork game?

I don't think it does matter much, other than it looking good on tv maybe. Maybe an element that more people willing to turn up to a game is indicative of more people willing to watch it on tv too. But that point was only raised in response to the claim that a game being sold out should be a deciding factor.