Paddy McCarthy

[Nailer77]

He's out injured now. I was talking about the season as a whole not the last two games.

And just for clarity he hasn't started every game this season when fit he's been on the bench a number of times. Have a look at his substitute appearances and take into account there's also been an additional number of times when he's been on the bench but hasn't come on. I suppose he was sitting on the bench with a broken collarbone?

Anyway point was he's sh*t and Leicester defensively are sh*t also. Many Leicester fans agree with me. Have a look at this forum which names their worst player of the season. He's mentioned more than a few times. Hardly the sign of a top player. Also take it into account that unlike you they've probably seen him play (as I have):

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=34922&st=0&start=0


They also mention his move to Fulham here:

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=35326

Why do you think I'm a WUM because I don't agree with your obviously vast all seeing all knowing knowledge of the football scene? Good one.

Regardless of what Leicester fans thing, and lets be honest the English football fan is a fickle creature, we haven't got a lot of CB's available and we need to look at alternatives. At least McCarthy is young and on the way up and we should be at least taking a look at the guy.

[Greenbod]

At least McCarthy is young and on the way up and we should be at least taking a look at the guy.

He has been looked at. He's not good enough.

[Dr. Ogba]

He has been looked at. He's not good enough.

When? Only time I can recall him being given a chance was at the recent B match against Scotland where he was the stand-out performer (along with Hunt btw)...Don't remember him ever being given a chance at senior level...

[CraftyToePoke]

Recently he's been demoted to the bench when fit.

Wrong, he had a suspension, and didnt come straight back in, that is true, but in his abscence the side won with a clean sheet, so the manager left well alone, he won his spot back within 2 games and was back in the 11 at the time of the injury.

you have been so far of the mark with some of your comments here you are hardly worth debating with.

[kev mcq]

He's out injured now. I was talking about the season as a whole not the last two games.

And just for clarity he hasn't started every game this season when fit he's been on the bench a number of times. Have a look at his substitute appearances and take into account there's also been an additional number of times when he's been on the bench but hasn't come on. I suppose he was sitting on the bench with a broken collarbone?

Anyway point was he's sh*t and Leicester defensively are sh*t also. Many Leicester fans agree with me. Have a look at this forum which names their worst player of the season. He's mentioned more than a few times. Hardly the sign of a top player. Also take it into account the small fact that unlike you they've probably seen him play (as I have):

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=34922&st=0&start=0


They also mention his move to Fulham here:

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=35191&st=40

and here:
http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=35326

Hardly giving glowing reports are they? Not one mentions him in a positive light.

Why do you think I'm a WUM because I don't agree with your obviously vast all seeing all knowing knowledge of the football scene? Good one.


Wow he's named by 3 people in theirt worst player(S) of the season. Of the three people, one of them has named 7 players as the worst player, one has named 11 players (that's how many players are on a football team youngirish) and one has named 15 players:rolleyes: . These are obviously very decisive people. Scraping the barrell a bit there weren't you?

And as for me not seeing him play, get your facts right before coming out with that sort of sh1t, I have seen him play numerous times, even live :eek:

[Nailer77]

He has been looked at. He's not good enough.

By who and when? By Stan? At the B game? This is of course the same guy that ruled Carsley too old, and the same guy that has led us through a stumbling qualifying campaign and who's hardly been consistent of definite in his selection of players.

And if not McCarthy who are the REAL alternatives at CB to Dunne and McShane? Because believe it or not we need some apart from O'Shea.

[youngirish]

Wrong, he had a suspension, and didnt come straight back in, that is true, but in his abscence the side won with a clean sheet, so the manager left well alone, he won his spot back within 2 games and was back in the 11 at the time of the injury.

you have been so far of the mark with some of your comments here you are hardly worth debating with.
So hold on he was demoted to the bench for those 2 games and left out of the team when he was back, fit and ready to play (didn't I say that initially)? Yeah that was way off the mark????????????? Which other remark was I way off the mark with? That he's a sh*t disciplinary record? Eh I think that's true. That he's 24. Sorry I was a few weeks early pointing that one out. That he's a tad crap? We'll see who's proved right with time (me) but most of the Leicester fans seem to agree with me and not the general consensus here if their forum is anything to go by (though no doubt you CraftyToePoke have lots of Leicester fans as friends in addition to yourself who will alll swear he's the next Franz Beckenbauer). I'll take their opinions first and what I've seen myself than the usual suspects who hype up every young Irish player to ridiculous levels before even seeing them play thank you very much.


Wow he's named by 3 people in theirt worst player(S) of the season. Of the three people, one of them has named 7 players as the worst player, one has named 11 players (that's how many players are on a football team youngirish) and one has named 15 players:rolleyes:. These are obviously very decisive people. Scraping the barrell a bit there weren't you?

And as for me not seeing him play, get your facts right before coming out with that sort of sh1t, I have seen him play numerous times, even live :eek:

Read the other two, that's what the links are there for and not just the one you are trying to be clever with (and failing) and debunk which you did a sh*t job of btw :rolleyes:. Do you usually ignore all the facts that tend to go against your opinion of something? Probably if you think Paddy McCarthy is brilliant. Find me a positive comment in that lot and get back to me.

I'm all for hyping up good young Irish players (Garvan, Long, J O'Brien, Ireland and McShane for example) but less of the fantasyland sh*t please and more realism when dealing with the not so good young players please. Paddy McCarthy me ar*e, fancy playing the next four qualifiers with 10 men for 45 minutes+ do you?

And to finish this once and for all the story is a mistake anyway. It's Leicester's other Patrick, Mr Kisnorbo (he's actually quite good) that Fulham are looking at and some lazy reporter jumped the gun and assumed it was McCarthy. Way of the mark me balls.

[Soper]

When? Only time I can recall him being given a chance was at the recent B match against Scotland where he was the stand-out performer (along with Hunt btw)...Don't remember him ever being given a chance at senior level...

Numerous sources said Joseph Gamble was the stand out performer in that match, even after being played out of position...

[irishfan86]

Numerous sources said Joseph Gamble was the stand out performer in that match, even after being played out of position...

Numerous players can stand out in a given match, and even then you hear analysts disagree over who should be MoM all the time.

It's possible they both had a good game you know! :eek:

[Dr. Ogba]

Numerous sources said Joseph Gamble was the stand out performer in that match, even after being played out of position...

Not wanting to open a LOI sized can of worms here ;) but I was at that match and while Gamble was handy in parts I thought McCarthy was the class performer on the day. Didn't put a foot wrong....was very impressed by him...

[Stuttgart88]

Good to see measured debate prevailing.

McCarthy is rough around the edges but I think he's got what it takes to make it at a higher level if he keeps learning. A move to a better level will be required before long if he's to achieve this.

I think we're reasonably well covered at CB. Dunne is still young enough, McShane has taken quite well to international football, young O'Dea is showing promise, O'Shea played very well at CB against Czech Republic except for one lapse which if Koller hadn't finished expertly or Henderson had saved (which he should have) would be forgotten about. Dunne's howler to let in Bellamy was far worse than any of O'Shea's errors.

There's an abundance of young talent in all positions, except central midfield and even there with Garvan and O'Brien and the two Reids there's some hope on the horizon.

[youngirish]

There's an abundance of young talent in all positions, except central midfield and even there with Garvan and O'Brien and the two Reids there's some hope on the horizon.
Ireland and young McCann (he can play central or left midfield) from Burnley also look promising. Hopefully Burnley avoid the drop as they've a number of Irish players. People forget that McCann won young player of he year at Burnley last season ahead of Kyle Lafferty who is a regular starter for Northern Ireland and is apparently very highly rated. I rate McCann as a better prospect myself but it would be disastrous for him if Burnley get relegated.

[Dr. Ogba]

Ireland and young McCann (he can play central or left midfield) from Burnley also look promising. Hopefully Burnley avoid the drop as they've a number of Irish players. People forget that McCann won young player of he year at Burnley last season ahead of Kyle Lafferty who is a regular starter for Northern Ireland and is apparently very highly rated. I rate McCann as a better prospect myself but it would be disastrous for him if Burnley get relegated.


Haven't seen any of McCann myself...is he a big lad? or is he another typical Irish lightweight shortarse?

[carloz]

Just a quick point, I saw in the paper yeserday the disiplinary tale for the Chamionship. Jonathon Douglas was number three. Amzing that Stan can use disiplinary reasons not to call up McCarthy in the past yet he has no problem with Douglas

[tetsujin1979]

He's the most booked player according to this: http://www.soccerbase.com/div_summary.sd?compid=2
Also, McPhail and Breen tie for most sendings off with 2 apiece

[Stuttgart88]

Has Stan ever said that discipline was the reason? I know the tabloids picked up on it and when he was still a journalist Gerry McDermott (or was it Hyland?) did a full piece on McCarthy's discipline. It's a shame these guys didn't actually pick up on the fact that at the time of writing he had gone through a long period with few yellows and no reds. The article made me cringe, as did Stan's comments about McCarthy vs Doherty.

McCarthy was a lynchpin of the U21s and mucked in with a few crucial headed goals from set pieces for Givens. Like McShane, I'd bet he wouldn't tolerate any prima donna-ism or complacency in the squad.

I'm not giving up on McCarthy yet, but I do maintain that he needs to polish up his game. Not unlike Dunne, I feel that he has an error in him in most games, but I'm happy to listen to Crafty's first hand reports, one of the best frequent updates on this site in my opinion.

Good call on Chris McCann.

[youngirish]

Haven't seen any of McCann myself...is he a big lad? or is he another typical Irish lightweight shortarse?
He's a big six foot odd ginger. Looks a bit light but not so much so that you'd say he's weak. He's also played in central defence for Burnley so he must be fairly strong. He's only 19 and he looks decent so at present he's a good prospect. He also bangs in a few goals which is always a good sign for a midfielder.

http://www.burnley.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=56405

[DmanDmythDledge]

Has Stan ever said that discipline was the reason?
Yeah. http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=14471 (http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=94&si=1667515&issue_id=14471)


McCarthy's international record is far from impressive either. In the qualifying campaign for the 2006 European U21 Championship McCarthy picked up three yellow cards in four games and missed the away game against Israel because of suspension.

It's a record not even a desperate Staunton is prepared to gamble on as he explained yesterday when he excluded McCarthy from the 24-man squad for next week's friendly international against Holland.

"Well that's part of it. You have to look at them sort of things. As we know from the World Cup, there are plenty of players out there that can manipulate the system," said Staunton.

[Stuttgart88]

It was probably put to Stan by McDermott who had just picked up on what at the time was a partially out of date statistic! If discipline & character is so essential how come St. Ledger made the bench in Germany?

I'd prefer if Stan just said that he didn't fancy him or that he's got better options. Maybe he has said this and I've missed it.

[Nailer77]

It was probably put to Stan by McDermott who had just picked up on what at the time was a partially out of date statistic! If discipline & character is so essential how come St. Ledger made the bench in Germany?

I'd prefer if Stan just said that he didn't fancy him or that he's got better options. Maybe he has said this and I've missed it.

There was an article on St. Ledger in the Guardian this morning, one of those pen pics on up and coming players. He gets a decent enough write up even if it is by Claridge.

[CraftyToePoke]

He isn't even a regular starter for Leicester anymore who are sh*t.Did I mention he gets booked every match and sent off every second match?

every bit of this spewed rubbish is factually incorrect.He has started when fit every game for almost 2 seasons bar a small handfull, and as for your take on his discipline, well......:rolleyes:



Yeah that was way off the mark??????????????

yep, it was, when i took the time to re-read your initial reactive illinformed muck,it was in fact miles off. (really dont know why i or anyone would bother though TBH).

despite watching him play each week, ive never said one way or the other wheather i feel he should be in our squads or not, and i dont generally offer opinions on him either, i simply say what ive seen each time. so to suggest im about to wheel out a bunch of leicester mates to back me up is bordering on pathetic levels of childish paranoia.:D


for what its worth, id go along with Stutt, he needs to improve, and soon, and with leicester now having money to spend under Mandaric, he is about to be tested from all sides, and we will know a lot more about Paddy McCarthy in a year from now. In his defence, he is captain of one of the worst sides in his clubs history, and a young captain at that, not an easy position. He has done OK.

Had he been afforded the oppertunity to play next to an experienced CB partner and focus solely on his own game since arriving here, we may have seen more development and with hindsight being made captain of this bunch may not have been the best thing for him, but the club was skint and most experienced players were flogged off, so again in this respect , he has done OK, but i reiterate, improvement needed quickly. An interesting season ahead for him i reckon.

[Bungle]

just signed for charlton for £650,000 according to talksport

[tetsujin1979]

confirmed:
Leicester City official site: http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10274~1033615,00.html (http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10274%7E1033615,00.html)
Charlton official site: http://www.cafc.co.uk/newsview.ink?nid=30908

[cavan_fan]

Good move, Charlton have a good manager and seem to be buying quite a few top Championship players (e.g. Iwelumo)

[carloz]

On another website i was on the Leicester fans were delighted about getting rid of him and actually getting money from him. They claimed he was too slow and always giving away needless fouls

[Paddy Garcia]

Anyone know what happened to Alan Sheehan who for a while looked a great prospect? Perhaps an opportunity for him to step up.

[tetsujin1979]

Anyone know what happened to Alan Sheehan who for a while looked a great prospect? Perhaps an opportunity for him to step up.

he was on loan at Mansfield earlier in the season: http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=41226

[frog-gufc]

mcarthy is a solid defender and should be given his chance, who would of thought of mcshane as an option til the czech match and look at hm now

[eagleforlife]

It's funny reading the posts here slating McCarthy and saying he's rubbish as a Palace fan as he's only been here 6 months and people are already calling him a Palace legend. He's been excellent defensively and weighed in with a few goals. The only slight criticism I would have of him is that he's not that fast but nor is he slow I'm just nitpicking really. Just over a week ago he dislocated his shoulder for the second time this season but still played through the pain barrier the following week to score a goal. He also broke his name during that match and still continued. The guy is immense and deserves a chance to see what he can do at international level.

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/sport/football/crystalpalace/eaglesnews/3994822.Eagles_boss_praises_bionic_man_McCarthy/

http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?t=179018

[eagleforlife]

Has been called up to train with the squad:

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=35038&headline=Ireland

[Yard of Pace]

Anyone see his goal yesterday? It was pretty special, imo, a Bergkamp v Argentina style effort.

[theworm2345]

Anyone see his goal yesterday? It was pretty special, imo, a Bergkamp v Argentina style effort.
Showed some nice control but didn't beat a man like Bergkamp did. Then again McCarthy's never touched the ground.

[DannyInvincible]

I've only seen extra time, but McCarthy's having a great game at the back for Palace at Old Trafford tonight by the sounds of things. Palace under immense pressure and have eleven men behind the ball with a few minutes to go but he's dealt with everything United have thrown at him in extra time and made a vital tackle to keep Palace in the lead. Maybe worth another look in a 'B' international?

[TrapAPony]

Gave away the penalty for Man Utd's goal. I do agree that Ireland should have a ''B'' match though

[Stuttgart88]

He's been playing that way all season apparently. He gave away a silly penalty, but he put in a real Kevin Moran shift tonight. I'd have more confidence in him than McShane but O'Dea has that reserve CB spot for himself and based on Ireland performances that's hard to argue with. O'Shea & Kelly are also bcak up CB options in Trap's eyes.

I do like McCarthy's no-nonsense defending though and think he's unlucky not to have been capped. He was prone to yellow cards early in his career but had largely cut this out, but when he should have been considered for a spot (under Stan) the press kept going on about his discipline. I think that was what put paid to his chances - that and youngirish's opinions of him (if memory serves me well)!

[DannyInvincible]

Hadn't been aware he gave away the penalty.

[SwanVsDalton]

Whenever I've seen him play it's really proper old-school no-nonsense stuff. Impressive commitment levels, can see why he's captaining the side.

[Serb]

Hadn't been aware he gave away the penalty.

Giving away a penalty is something that happens to the best of players. One of the first names on Ireland's team sheet is the all-time Premier League own-goal record holder. He has probably conceded his fair share of penalties too.

[DannyInvincible]

Giving away a penalty is something that happens to the best of players. One of the first names on Ireland's team sheet is the all-time Premier League own-goal record holder. He has probably conceded his fair share of penalties too.

No disagreements there. I think Jamie Carragher is up there too. Maybe such records are a sign of tenacity and commitment; both virtues in my world of football. :)

[CraftyToePoke]

I remember watching a lot of him in his early days at Leicester, and he had moments of indicipline or poor play/decisions which would undo an otherwise impressive performance, this blighted him, but he has (I think) only got two bookings this season, and is part of a much improved side under Freedman, he was next to Tunchev at the back till recently, a very good player who has had awful injury trouble, and was loaned to Palace from Leicester, he is presently back at Leicester, so we will see how McCarthy and Palace fair without him, I think they will miss Tunchev, and they have dropped in the league since not having him available.

All heart, a leader and captain where ever he has been, a dodgy shoulder, and a guy who has found his level, you could argue, again the other night, he let go of one Man U players shirt/arm (Diouf?) to go across and tug the other players shirt to give away the pen, and very nearly did it again later to Macheda. Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15995281.stm)

I remember once a poster on a Leicester board saying it always made him smile how the staduim would rise to applaud another last ditch tackle or goal line clearence from McCarthy, never realising it was another balls up by him in the lead up which would invariably have given rise to the need for it.

O'Dea, McShane & Co dont give the opposition as much joy as he does, its marginal, but I think Irish managers have gotten it right.

[eagleforlife]

I remember once a poster on a Leicester board saying it always made him smile how the staduim would rise to applaud another last ditch tackle or goal line clearence from McCarthy, never realising it was another balls up by him in the lead up which would invariably have given rise to the need for it.

O'Dea, McShane & Co dont give the opposition as much joy as he does, its marginal, but I think Irish managers have gotten it right.

He hasn't played for Leicester for four years. He is still a last-ditch defender but he is rarely the person who makes the balls-ups in the first place

[TrapAPony]

Just scored an own goal from a Paul Green cross

[pateen]

Could be a useful squad defender in Poland. Hopefully will make the Carling cup final to give him some exposure

[eagleforlife]

Palace have kept the most clean sheets in the Championship this season with 11 and have only conceded 24 goals in which Paddy has been an ever present and captain. I think that he more than deserves his chance with Ireland.

[irishfan86]

I'm never against us having a look at a player, but he always worried me a bit in terms of rash tackling. I remember him getting a fair amount of cards early in his career, not sure if anything has changed in that regard but the stats you present eagle are impressive.

[eagleforlife]

When he first joined Palace he was often making rash tackles and picking u bookings and occassionally getting sent off. This season though he seems to have left that all behind him and he has been immense. He has only picked up two yellows so far.

[Stuttgart88]

I've always liked McCarthy but I think O'Dea is deservedly the number 3 / 4 centre-back (Dunne, Sledge, O'Shea, O'Dea, Kelly as back up). Also, Croatia, Spain & Italy will be a step higher than anything he has played before. All of the above are seasoned internationals and deservingly ahead of him.

If McShane can have 20 caps, so too can McCarthy have had. Great to see him do well and he'd have had a chance in bygone days playing at his present standard (certainly Jack through to Stan era), but the point I was making on another thread holds - we have lots of players playing at quite a high standard now, just none playing at elite standard - the Champs League teams.

[seanfhear]

I hav'nt seen a lot of Paddy but I believe he was prone to the odd rash challenge and therefore bookings and sending offs. I would like to know if he a bit short of pace/ or reasonably fast because it does seem a bit harsh that Paul McShane has acrued (?) a nice number of caps and Paddy few if any ?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Saw Paddy on Saturday;he was steady enough. Had a pretty solid game.
At least as good as Kilbane, say. And O'Dea for that matter, on Saturday's evidence.

Unlike McShane who was struggling to match those around him, in Div.2 ,FFS.
Wouldn't fault his effort, but ability-wise, not great.

[Fixer82]

Wouldn't fault his effort, but ability-wise, not great.

I agree. Especially regarding shooting outside the box

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGElFKpzFlE