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thecorner
02/03/2005, 10:51 AM
In two seasons with Cork City Pat Dolan did nothing to to suggest he could change this FACT.

in the process of building a fine team

we might now not know how good this team might have been

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 10:52 AM
Trying to hold the chairman to ransom and using the players as his pawns in the media.
Don't pretend Dolan is blameless in all of this.
I've nothing more to say on this subject.

im not pretending he's blameless but "Trying to hold the chairman to ransom and using the players as his pawns in the media. " is a bit dramatic?

wws
02/03/2005, 10:58 AM
fenlon has the resources available to him to sign any player he wants, and he did, signing anyone he could claim as a major coup.

exactly teh qualities you disbarage in dolan.


fenlon had money available and spent accordingly (for the record i HOPE THIS ENDS in severe financial crisis - getting knocked out early in setanta and europe would actually destroy shels imo)

dolan had less money available and obviously wanted lennox to spend as recklessly as shels - hence lennox told him to fck off - and rightly so!

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 11:00 AM
dolan had less money available and obviously wanted lennox to spend as recklessly as shels - hence lennox told him to fck off - and rightly so!

as manager its his job to try to get the best out of lennox he can. lennox could have just continued saying no, rather than fck off.

wws
02/03/2005, 11:06 AM
I call it a day on this - we could argue till the cows come home - basically he's been sacked so its a question of what now ? not the backward looking what aboutery

ure in a lot of lucrative competitions like setanta - you have a good squad - great crowds and a strong owner/chairmen - if you guys land a level headed manager -ie not in the roddy/dolan nutter mould you MIGHT actually win silverwear this season!

Hibs4Ever
02/03/2005, 11:16 AM
none of us have informed opinion

just giving my own opinion

sacking probably the best manager in the league with 2 weeks cannot be a good decision
a man that was striving to win the title for city


How the hell do you think he's the best manager in the league????/ :confused:

Dricky
02/03/2005, 11:17 AM
CITY 'Till I Die,

Dolan was a stop gap

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 11:20 AM
Dolan was a stop gap
dolan was the masterplan. we build our brand on him.

Dricky
02/03/2005, 11:35 AM
I Hope it is advertised as I think that will show Brians desire for the club.

Someone with experience with a Full Time set up, there really isn't any one that stands out in Ireland bar Fenlon and Kerr neither will we get. Doolin has spent more than Pat with no return so I would question his worth to the club and besides he is happy where he is. We need a manager that can develop a team not develop with the team.
This will show rewards a lot faster then a three year plan.

I still wish Pat well and I know what ever club takes him on will get a manager that the club will be happy with.

thecorner
02/03/2005, 11:44 AM
I Hope it is advertised as I think that will show Brians desire for the club.




well if we are being led to believe that a manager will be in place by next week, i dont think it will be advertised

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 11:48 AM
rico will be the new manager

To teh tune of Duran Duran's RIO
"HIS NAAAAAME IS RICO
AND HES THE BEST MANAGER IN IRE-LAND
And when he talks he really shows you all he can
Oh Rico, Rico the best manager in ire-land
His name is Rico, you don't need to understand
all his match analysis but hes a great man
Oh Rico, Rico hear them shout across the land
because we've got the great manager in Ire-land
Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do"

To the tune of The Monkee's RICO
"we love you Rico, everybody's hero
we love you Rico and we'll follow you ever more

Suddenly, pat was gone
How sad it felt to be alone
Now theres an old friend in his shoes
Some you win, and some you lose

Na na-na na na-na na na-na na na na
Na na-na na na-na na na-na na na na
He said he'd always like to be my friend
Ooh, its so sad it had to end"

© shedend.com ;)

Dricky
02/03/2005, 11:50 AM
dolan was the masterplan. we build our brand on him.
he he we should of buit our training facilities on him. :D :D


He is a great man for excuses.

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 11:52 AM
he he we should of buit our training facilities on him. :D :D


for crying out loud. what am i dealing with?

Peadar
02/03/2005, 11:52 AM
we should of buit our training facilities on him.

The players would be complaining about the bumpy surface again. :D

Cityfeen
02/03/2005, 11:59 AM
Rico all the way.

MariborKev
02/03/2005, 12:13 PM
he has fock all ambition.
hes happy for the club just to exist

this was supposed to be our year and lennox has cheated us

Brian Lennox/Michael Hayes/FAI- make up your mind ;)

Dricky
02/03/2005, 12:51 PM
for crying out loud. what am i dealing with?

Cork City Fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we can't laugh at ourselves well then we really are a bunch of ****s.....

thecorner
02/03/2005, 12:56 PM
we really are a bunch of ****s.....
speak for yourself there bud ;)

Éanna
02/03/2005, 12:57 PM
lets all bow to eanna and lennox :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
get a grip, and don't post such rubbish. you know me better than that.



im not pretending he's blameless but "Trying to hold the chairman to ransom and using the players as his pawns in the media. " is a bit dramatic?
not too far from the truth according to what I've heard.

oú est j.cotter
02/03/2005, 1:32 PM
dolan was the masterplan. we build our brand on him.

Surely the brand should be ccfc and built on winning.That's how the club will progress, not by talking about Ronan O Gara. Dolan done well, brought a degree of success and got some full houses at the cross. others have done this too (even Gunther), and fingers crossed so will the next man. What might have been, trophies or doom, we'll never know. The king is dead, long live the king.

sullanefc
02/03/2005, 2:09 PM
as manager its his job to try to get the best out of lennox he can. lennox could have just continued saying no, rather than fck off.

Lennox did keep saying no. And Dolan made a point of bringing it to the medias attention. How often did we hear Dolan going on about how he has never spent a penny in transfer fees for CCFC. I think, on reflection these were veiled digs at Lennox. Which may have gone on to the bad feeling between the pair.

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 2:14 PM
How often did we hear Dolan going on about how he has never spent a penny in transfer fees for CCFC. I think, on reflection these were veiled digs at Lennox.

no, they were a not-so-veiled dig at shels for their spend, spend, spend attitude.

sullanefc
02/03/2005, 2:15 PM
ure in a lot of lucrative competitions like setanta - you have a good squad - great crowds and a strong owner/chairmen - if you guys land a level headed manager -ie not in the roddy/dolan nutter mould you MIGHT actually win silverwear this season!

Ageed wws. I think we can all count ourselves lucky that when CCFC departed company with Pat Dolan we were in a lot healthier position than when Pat left SPA.

James
02/03/2005, 2:15 PM
ricos got it according to the echo rag

jimhacker
02/03/2005, 2:21 PM
ricos got it according to the echo rag


Which more or less rules him out then!

Yoda01
02/03/2005, 2:25 PM
don't know if it's official.

http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/front.pdf

http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 2:26 PM
Which more or less rules him out then!


DAMIEN RICHARDSON is set to be named as the new manger of Cork City Football Club inside the next 48 hours. - Source: Evening EchoThe former team boss who worked under Pat O’Donovan’s chairmanship in the mid-90s will be appointed as successor to Pat Dolan at a press conference in Cork at lunchtime on Friday. The former Gillingham player, coach and manager will renew his association with Cork City when he agrees to a three-year contract at the weekend. More (http://shedend.com/content/view/69/2/)

i'd say its true

thecorner
02/03/2005, 5:38 PM
sadly,its not gonna work out with rico in charge. dolan and rico are 2 of a kind. professionals,want the job done,their own persons


can see this all blown up somewhere along the line again

what lennox wants is a yes man

higgins
02/03/2005, 5:43 PM
Gavin where did you get the spend spend spend thing from ??


no, they were a not-so-veiled dig at shels for their spend, spend, spend attitude.

What transfer fee have shels splashed out on recently?

Schumi
02/03/2005, 5:45 PM
What transfer fee have shels splashed out on recently?
Alan Cawley. Oh wait...

thecorner
02/03/2005, 5:59 PM
on the echo today

rico
caulfield
dave hill
reynolds :eek:

what kind of drugs is this man on

reynolds in charge of city...world war III

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 6:49 PM
Gavin where did you get the spend spend spend thing from ?? What transfer fee have shels splashed out on recently?
Wages. people say we spend big and we havent signed anyone really. shels were able to just go out and sign 5 top professional players at the drop of a hat.

Éanna
02/03/2005, 7:10 PM
reynolds wouldn't be a bad choice at all. he had a good season at waherfur last year, but I;d rather someone with more experience

Gary
02/03/2005, 7:12 PM
Where did I read that Martin Hefferenan has thrown his hat into the ring again?

I hope that who-ever takes over that the new assistant will be Stuart Ashton (Im assuming Gill is gone as well???)

GavinZac
02/03/2005, 7:13 PM
Where did I read that Martin Hefferenan has thrown his hat into the ring again?
the thread i bumped to see if any of the candidates that applied last time would be interested? that you lock? :D



I hope that who-ever takes over that the new assistant will be Stuart Ashton (Im assuming Gill is gone as well???)
gill is gone, but i dont see why we'd move ashton, hes doing brilliant where he is.

Gary
02/03/2005, 7:17 PM
gill is gone, but i dont see why we'd move ashton, hes doing brilliant where he is.

True, but maybe Ashton himself would like a new challenge? or perhaps as a reward for his efforts throughout the years?

That said, we dont know whther he would even want it himself, so there is little point in even speculating.

Fermoy Blue
02/03/2005, 8:05 PM
Correct me if Iam wrong but Rico didn't get job 2 years ago because arrogant so and so that he is,he wouldn't do interview.If chairman turns around and appoints him now he is showing less backbone than one of his battered cods.Besides,Rico is an even bigger spoofer than Dolan and flopped miserably last time out with Rovers cos they had no funds(sounds familiar!).HE WILL NOT WIN YOU A TITLE OR SURPASS DOLAN'S PERFORMANCE,2ND FORCHRISSAKES!Anyway,Munster derbies just won't be the same this year without Pat'**** will rise'Dolan and Dan'havagoifyathinkyerhardenuff'Connor.
Goodluck to Pat in future,Up The Blues!

thecorner
02/03/2005, 9:10 PM
reynolds wouldn't be a bad choice at all.


now im convinced you are after losing the plot

Peadar
03/03/2005, 8:06 AM
now im convinced you are after losing the plot

Can't defend him on this occassion, I'm afraid. ;)

Dricky
03/03/2005, 8:37 AM
reynolds wouldn't be a bad choice at all. he had a good season at waherfur last year, but I;d rather someone with more experience

Compared to the skills some of our players have, his style of play would suit mid table hackers as that is his strength. I'd hate to see that at City we've moved beyond that a long time ago.

Dricky
03/03/2005, 8:39 AM
I think as a player he would be a good addition but not as a manager

Ozymandias
03/03/2005, 8:40 AM
rico on way to meet lennox today .

he will be offered the job...

to soon for ashton...Ashton should be number 2 to get xperience with a view to take over when rico goes

Rico is the best LOI choice out there in fairness

adamd164
03/03/2005, 10:36 AM
What about John Caulfield as assitant to Rico - he's done fabulously at Avondale!

GavinZac
03/03/2005, 11:17 AM
What about John Caulfield as assitant to Rico - he's done fabulously at Avondale!
so why would he leave to be assistant here?

Peadar
03/03/2005, 11:31 AM
What about John Caulfield

He's got an FAI Carlsberg Intermediate Cup to win. ;)

Troy.McClure
03/03/2005, 11:44 AM
From D'echo (http://www.eecho.ie)

Richardson to be named Cork manager

03/03/2005 - 10:03:16 AM


Damien Richardson is set to be named as Cork City manager in succession to Pat Dolan today.

Richardson will hold talks with chairman Brian Lennox this afternoon with a press conference provisionally pencilled in for tomorrow, should an agreement be reached for Richardson to return to the club he first managed between 1993 and 1994.

At that time, Richardson resigned having led the club to the second round of the Champions League and second in the League claiming the club lacked ambition.

But Richardson always admitted that he felt there was unfinished business at Turner’s Cross having gone on to enjoy a successful managerial career with Cobh Ramblers, Shelbourne and Shamrock Rovers.

“I would certainly feel I have some unfinished business from my previous spell there,” he said. “There is great potential at the club and the key is to tap into that potential.”

As always Spillage gets it dead right! ;)

Troy.McClure
03/03/2005, 11:57 AM
From soccernet (http://www.soccernet.com)


Sir Bobby itching managerial return


Former Newcastle boss Sir Bobby Robson has admitted he is missing the day-to-day buzz of management.

Sir Bobby Robson: Missing management. (LaurenceGriffiths/GettyImages)

The 72-year-old was granted the freedom of the city of Newcastle - joining the likes of Alan Shearer, Jackie Milburn, Nelson Mandela and Sir Bob Geldof - at a special ceremony yesterday.


And although he has been out of the game since losing his job at St James' Park in August last year, the former England boss is not ready for retirement quite yet.

'I am missing management,' he said. 'It is not only the banter with the players, I'm missing the whole conundrum of management, the daily grind of training, team selection, the involvement. It's a big miss.

'At the moment, I do not have any ideas about when I'll be returning to management.

'The current season is obviously starting to tail off now, but there will be a new beginning soon.

'May is around the corner and things change and things happen, so I will just wait and see.

'I am not in a hurry to take the wrong job, but I am ready to take the right job and I feel that there is another job in me, but what that will be, I do not know.

'I do not need a headache and I will not take on a headache, but I will take on a job and see where it goes. I know where I left and I know where I would like to be.

'I know the area I am capable of working in, but we will wait and see. And of course I would like a job in the Premiership - if one was available.'

Paul Gascoigne, the man Robson took under his wing during his time in charge of the national team, has little doubt that his mentor still has what it takes to succeed.

'I have asked him does he want to go back into management and I think he does,' said Gascoigne.

'If the right job comes along, Sir Bobby would take it, and no doubt he would do a great job as well.

'Every club he has been to, he has taken them from nowhere to the highest you can take them and done it through many, many clubs.

'I have been around and played for many managers, but for me when I see the likes of Sir Bobby, Sir Alex Ferguson, Walter Smith, Terry Venables, I am in awe of those men.'

Robson's return to the game would also have the backing of Frenchman Laurent Robert, the enigmatic winger for whom he paid Paris St Germain £10.5million.

'For me, Bobby Robson is a grandfather to me,' he said.

'He is a very good man and I went to Newcastle because Mr Robson contacted me and liked me.

'He is a great man and I love him. He knows everything about football, he knows my family and he knows how to understand me. That is really important for a footballer.

'For me, he is the best manager in Europe - Barcelona, Porto and Newcastle, and he stayed five seasons here.

'The time at Newcastle has been special and every year they have finished near the top. He's been very important for the club and the fans.

'He is a fantastic guy. Mr Robson will forever stay in my heart. He is a very good man.'


Maybe we should be looking beyond Rico :p

Éanna
03/03/2005, 6:23 PM
Compared to the skills some of our players have, his style of play would suit mid table hackers as that is his strength. I'd hate to see that at City we've moved beyond that a long time ago.
He works with what he has at Waterford- his players aren't brilliant, so he implements tactics that suit his players. Better players would, I imagine, mean better tactics.

I'm not saying he'd be my first choice, or even my 5th choice, but there are worse options- Gunther anyone :eek: