eL fixtures released

[A face]

Lads, it will be totally unreal if City win the league this year, with all the fixing that has gone on with the "fixtures" ...... If City actually do manage the impossible with all the odds stacked aganist them, it'll be real salt in the wounds for anyone that was involved with the match fixing.

Come on City !!

[Slash/ED]

You can hardly call it bleedin' match fixing in fairness, the fixtures had to favour someone, such is the retardness of the 33 matches a season system.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Good to see that pre-season paranoia training has resumed in Cork

[patsh]

Well, Bohs have only 6 real away games for the whole season, somebody in the eL must love them.......

[joeraki]

Well, Bohs have only 6 real away games for the whole season, somebody in the eL must love them.......

A real away game :rolleyes: What are the other ones fake or something ?

The season ain't started yet and already the first travisty of justice is underway in cork :D

[kevincronin2000]

ok we have one local derby 160km round trip to waterford, they have six games that are not derbys away from home.

[joeraki]

ok we have one local derby 160km round trip to waterford, they have six games that are not derbys away from home.

So what do you want, every club to up sticks and move closer to Cork ?

[De Town]

Ok lads. Think the ould paranoia has set in already.

"eL Game Fixing Scandal"

FFS, its the luck of the draw ;) :rolleyes: :eek:

[patsh]

A real away game :rolleyes: What are the other ones fake or something ?

The season ain't started yet and already the first travisty of justice is underway in cork :D
Well if you think that the fixture list, as made out by Hayes, is "fair", you've got your head up your *ss.
Why can't the fixture list be made out by computer?

City were utterly screwed with the fixtures last season, 1 home game in the first month, and the whole of September without a home game, and now having to travel to $hels AND Bohs twice.
With the exception of 6 games out of 33, Bohs have to travel an hour or less from their own ground for the other 27 matches. They might even get some travelling support now......:rolleyes:

[BohsFans]

Good to see the langers are still as bitter as ever! :D

[patsh]

FFS, its the luck of the draw ;) :rolleyes: :eek:
The problem is that there is no "draw". Some guy sits down and decides this, no element of randomness or chance comes into it.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Lads

Assuming they do not change the make-up in the two divisions and let nature take it's course the following should happen:-
Next year (2006) the fixture should in fairness be the opposite of this years fixtures. Which means Cork will be on the pigsback .

[exile]

Lads

Assuming they do not change the make-up in the two divisions and let nature take it's course the following should happen:-
Next year (2006) the fixture should in fairness be the opposite of this years fixtures. Which means Cork will be on the pigsback .

not really teams will get promoted and relegated

[MariborKev]

Thread of the month methinks

If I was you I would demand an independent judicial enquiry- ring Ollie, he'll know what to do.

Talk about paranoia. If you are as good as Dolan says you are you'll win it anyway :rolleyes:

[Éanna]

Calling it a fix or a scandal is a total over-reaction. The fixtures don't favour us this season- thats the way it is now. My opinion is that the "draw" should be done by computer, not by one individual. There's nothing we can do about it now, but in fairness, nobody was complaining about it beforehand, when they KNEW how it was going to be done. We as fans, and CCFC as a club, have been around this league long enough to know we an't expect any favours, hell, even fair treatment is a rarity in some respects. We know that, and the only thing we can do is win the league DESPITE this travesty.

So, no excuses, no complaints, lets get on with it, and show everyone what we're made of.

[Mine'sABulmers]

I think what bothers Cork City fans most is

we have more aways games than home games
some of our double aways games are against some of the best teams
some of our double home games are some of the less attractive fictures which usually results in smaller attendences

the draw for cork city just highlights that a 33 game season is a farce and we are the losers this year...

saying that I'm a Cork exile in Dublin... so lots of "home" games for me :D :D

[Éanna]

I think what bothers Cork City fans most is

we have more aways games than home games
some of our double aways games are against some of the best teams
some of our double home games are some of the less attractive fictures which usually results in smaller attendences

agree with all of those. It is ridiculous, and thats why the 33 game season is an absolute joke

[A face]

FFS, its the luck of the draw



If it were then i'd say fair enough, them's the breaks and roll with it


BUT



It wasn't a draw ...... It wasn't done fairly ...... City yet again are in a situation where others in the league have the chance to claim we are paranoid when fairness should have come into play.

And lads, i fúckin' hate the league right now and anytime it fúcks up and no matter what any of you say, we have been shat on again. That is the short of it. I know i know ... we'll get over it .... in time ..... but for fúcks sake why does it never even appear to fall our way. It'd make you feel like throwing the towel in and join the fúckin' barstoolers.

[MariborKev]

Why are people calling you paranoid?

Derry have more home games than away games, so does half the League

Derry play 3 of last seasons top four away twice

I have to see one Derry fans on moaning about "match fixing". Use of terms like this, and other sensationalist terms will obviously allow people to draw conclusions.

You lot make as if it was a deliberate ploy by the FAI to outwit the Rebel Army. As if Michael Hayes sat for months deciding on how to screw you over.
As soon as we knew it was going to be three series of games(mid December), there was a 50% chance that you were going to have more away games than home games

[A face]

Derry play 3 of last seasons top four away twice

Are you saying it is fair cos you are nearly in the same boat ?
What has that got to do with fairness.


I have to see one Derry fans on moaning about "match fixing". Use of terms like this, and other sensationalist terms will obviously allow people to draw conclusions.

You wouldn't have to draw very far to come up with my conclusion.
Bare in mind ........ these fixtures could practically be handing the title to Shels. That might not mean very much to you to be honest, but right now it seriously undermines an effort City will make to get the title. City are in a realistic position to win the title this year. This could be taken from us by the administration of the league.



You lot make as if it was a deliberate ploy by the FAI to outwit the Rebel Army. As if Michael Hayes sat for months deciding on how to screw you over.

Look at it this way ..... (even have a shot off it yourself) .... how would you go about making a worse fixture list for us ??????
Very very harder to do it ....... thus ........ we have been given the worst deal possible as regard fixtures



As soon as we knew it was going to be three series of games(mid December), there was a 50% chance that you were going to have more away games than home games

I hear what you are saying .... i really do ...... BUT THIS is the point

It wasn't a roll of the dice

It wasn't the luck of the draw, something random, drawing straw or similar ..... someone sat down and put thought into it. I dont care about the extra away games, ...... what is píssin' me off is that the other title contenders are given an advantage over us in the league and the impact is huge. Gate receipts, crowds, travel.


I dont give a toss how any of you try and reason it ...... i am chalkin' it down as just another time when City have been compromised by this league.

[The Sheliban]

Seems every team can point to the draw and say "Aw, its not fair."

From a Shels' perspective, we have to play our biggest rivals both Cork and Bohs away twice. Yes the three times a season format is grossly unfair and I hate it, but I wouldn't howl "fixing scandal"

Presumably, Cork fans would prefer more games against Fermoy and Midleton?

[patsh]

Seems every team can point to the draw and say "Aw, its not fair."

From a Shels' perspective, we have to play our biggest rivals both Cork and Bohs away twice. Yes the three times a season format is grossly unfair and I hate it, but I wouldn't howl "fixing scandal"

Presumably, Cork fans would prefer more games against Fermoy and Midleton?
Bohs can hardly complain, can they?
You only have to travel to Cork once. WE must play both $hels and Bohs away twice. And playing a game about 15 mins away from your own ground can hardly be called an away game.

Anyway, there is very little we can do about it now, we just have to get on with it.

[crc]

WE (Cork) must play both $hels and Bohs away twice.


From a Shels' perspective, we have to play our biggest rivals both Cork and Bohs away twice

Something inconsistent???
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Whether or not this is a symptom of Cork paranoia (...and I'm not from Cork, I only live here), what Cork fans are basically saying is that as the fixtures weren't randomly made, the process is completely open to criticism.

12 teams is daft - 36 games was good for those actually in the Premier, but it was killing those teams (formerly big teams like Athlone, Dundalk, Sligo...)trapped in the First Division (only one automatic promotion place!).

16 team Prem would be better; with a small (8-10 team) lower division, which acts mainly as a breeding ground for ambitious small clubs and a disincentive to complacency in the Premier, NOT a general holding area for all but the urban elite.

[patsh]

Something inconsistent???

Nothing inconsistent, The Sheliban is mistaken, City have to play $hels in Tolka twice.

[Macy]

It's the fault of the system, not one particular bloke. The fixtures will, in all probability be simply reversed for next season (with the promoted club(s) taking the place of the relegated club(s)).

Has anyone looked how they compare to the last 12 team premier, as I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same as that.

Finally, well done Corkies. I've heard of getting your excuses in early, but this is ridiculous! :D

[OneRedArmy]

And playing a game about 15 mins away from your own ground can hardly be called an away game.

Of course it can!

I'm all for more regional sides in the Premier but its hardly the League's fault that there are so many Dublin clubs. Unless of course you favour regional franchises?

[dcfcsteve]

Jaysus - drop the victim mentality guys, will ya...!

First, the fixtures are rigged against you. Then the entire league is a sham because some clubs are located close to each other.

What next - the grass outside Cork is different and gives everyone else an unfair advantage......?

Certain teams were always going to be 'unhappy' with the draw when there's 3 games against each competitor. Chances are the fixtures will be reversed next season and Cork will be laughing then. Though I look forward to a stream of complaints then - "the teams who're good this season has changed from last year, so we're now playing high-flyers UCD twice away. Boo-hoo...."

As for location complaints - suprise suprise when 7 of the 12 Premier clubs are based in The Pale. Not ideal by any stretch, but nothing that anyone - including the clubs, League and FAI can do at the moment. There's hardly a stampede of new contenders to join our league. Give yer pals in Cobh a hand if you want to reverse the balance :)

This is really, really getting silly.......

[De Town]

Lads, I dont see what your complaining about because you could play Shels and Bohs 3 times at home and ye still wouldn't win the League.

[anto eile]

What next - the grass outside Cork is different and gives everyone else an unfair advantage......?
....


well they MIGHT get dundalk in the cup! :D

[sullanefc]

As for location complaints - suprise suprise when 7 of the 12 Premier clubs are based in The Pale. Not ideal by any stretch, but nothing that anyone - including the clubs, League and FAI can do at the moment. There's hardly a stampede of new contenders to join our league. Give yer pals in Cobh a hand if you want to reverse the balance :)

Do you honestly think its fair that out of Finn Harps, Derry City, Cork City and Waterford (the 4 furthest away teams from Dublin) that Bohs only have to go to Waterford twice and the other three at home twice? Its a bit lop sided if you ask me.

[LFC in Exile]

This thread is so stupid it is beyond belief. :ball:

[NY Hoop]

Unsurprising this thread originated in cark. Lads not everyone is out to get you, it's not a worldwide conspiracy, grow up.

With a stupid 33 game league you are going to have inconsistencies. I could be mistaken here but I think a guy in waterford used to draw up the fixtures. We have 2 away games in april and 2 in july which is stupid IMO. As it was when we last had this stupid system the fixtures will probably be reversed next season.

Bring back the 10 team premier quick.


KOH

[pineapple stu]

Do you honestly think it's fair that out of Finn Harps, Derry City, Cork City and Waterford (the 4 furthest away teams from Dublin) that Bohs only have to go to Waterford twice and the other three at home twice? It's a bit lop sided if you ask me.
In the greater scheme of things, yes. Next year's fixtures will be the exact reverse, with the promoted side(s) replacing the relegated side(s). Perfectly fair, within the constraints of the 3-game format.

This has to be the funniest thread ever! Think a few fanzine writers will have to find a few p!ss-takes out of it?! :)

[Colm]

This has to be the funniest thread ever!

There is nothing funny about it whatsoever.
I don't think we've been screwed deliberately but you've got to question as to whether the incompetance of the EL and the chap organising the fixtures fear of a certain bully boy from a certain club played a part. I believe it played a very big part and as a result our title challenge has been dealt a serious blow before the season even started. :mad:

[Schumi]

Bare in mind
You certainly seem to be, going by this conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:

[Hibs4Ever]

I think this is just an early excuse for another season of winning nothing :D

[wws]

utter nonsense

home/away it doesnt matter a fiddlers - you have to beat the big teams at some stage be it in their patch or your own - shels domination was helped with their away win at Turners Cross (when they were otherwise occupied with bigger european matters)

the 33 game format isnt ideal but its a nonsense to react the way some ppl have - Pats won the league in a 33 game format with more aways AFAICR

[pineapple stu]

You've got to question as to whether the incompetance of the EL and the chap organising the fixtures fear of a certain bully boy from a certain club played a part.
No you don't. Next year, it'll be the exact opposite. I suppose the Shels fans will then start complaining about how the eL buckled under pressure from Cork fans? :rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Bare in mind

You certainly seem to be, going by this conspiracy theory.
:D :D

[Partizan]

****ies,

quit the bitching and moaning and just get on with it like the rest of us.

Look, nobody is out to get you not even me :D

But if you do screw up, its your funeral.

[Colm]

quit the bitching and moaning and just get on with it like the rest of us.


It's very easy to for Waterford and UCD fans to mock as they were never going to win the league in the first place. However, our otherwise excellent chances have already been dealt a blow by this shambolic fixture list.

[pineapple stu]

It's very easy to for Waterford and UCD fans to mock as they were never going to win the league in the first place. However, our otherwise excellent chances have already been dealt a blow by this shambolic fixture list.
No, it's quite easy to mock while you insist on making stupid, paranoid, posts like that. :rolleyes:

I'll say it again - it'll all be reversed next year. That means you're a shoe-in... :rolleyes:

And to say that we're not affected by your problems because we're not going for the title is stupid. We have 16 home games and 17 away games - I suppose we should sue the eL for their shambolic fixture list if we end up the bottom two by a point?

[paudie]

I'm not paranoid but i think its fair to point out that the team who came second last season (City) will have to play the teams who came first and third last season (Shels/Bohs) away twice.

From the replies on this forum you'd think all other clubs except City are completely indifferent to how often they play 2 of the best three teams in the country at home. Yeah, right

It isn't evidence of a conspiracy but its not ideal for us and it would be nice to know how the home/away breakdown was decided.

[Schumi]

It's very easy to for Waterford and UCD fans to mock as they were never going to win the league in the first place. However, our otherwise excellent chances have already been dealt a blow by this shambolic fixture list.
We got no sympathy last year when we got an extra away game and 4/5 of the rest of the top half away twice. You just have to get on with it, a defeatist attitude will do more harm than the bad set of fixtures.

[De Town]

It's very easy to for Waterford and UCD fans to mock as they were never going to win the league in the first place. However, our otherwise excellent chances have already been dealt a blow by this shambolic fixture list.
Excellent chances my ******. Shels have it won.

[pineapple stu]

From the replies on this forum you'd think all other clubs except City are completely indifferent to how often they play 2 of the best three teams in the country at home. Yeah, right.
We're not indifferent. We're disappointed we've gotten 16 home and 17 away games. However, we're going to get on with it as opposed to turning Merrion Square upside-down in the search for a conspiracy or a match rigging scam which simply doesn't exist. Compare this to the response in the UCD forum last year when we got Bray, Harps, Kildare and Dundalk away twice and only 16 home games.

The home-away breakdown is worked out randomly. I'd be surprised if the eL didn't have a computer to do up the fixtures (maybe it was a Dublin computer though? :rolleyes: ). It'll all balance out next year.

[Macy]

I'm not paranoid but i think its fair to point out that the team who came second last season (City) will have to play the teams who came first and third last season (Shels/Bohs) away twice.

From the replies on this forum you'd think all other clubs except City are completely indifferent to how often they play 2 of the best three teams in the country at home. Yeah, right

It isn't evidence of a conspiracy but its not ideal for us and it would be nice to know how the home/away breakdown was decided.
Bohs are crap, and I'd be surprised if they weren't back in the "rest" next season.

Many of us have argued with the system before the fixtures were announced. It's an unfair system, every other year at least every club has an extra away game.

What people are laughing at is the assumption that it's some how unfair on Cork City only. If youse genuinely think it fooks up your league chances, then really you never had a chance of winning it.

It's luck of the draw, every league in the world throws up hard sequences at crucial times for some clubs.

[paudie]

What people are laughing at is the assumption that it's some how unfair on Cork City only. If youse genuinely think it fooks up your league chances, then really you never had a chance of winning it.

It's luck of the draw, every league in the world throws up hard sequences at crucial times for some clubs.

I don't think it messes up our chances of winning the league but I'm just curious as to how the fixtures guru goes about deciding whether teams have 1 or 2 home games against other clubs.

He probably does do it completely randomly but it would be interesting to know for certain.

[sullanefc]

In the greater scheme of things, yes. Next year's fixtures will be the exact reverse, with the promoted side(s) replacing the relegated side(s). Perfectly fair, within the constraints of the 3-game format.

Reversed? So next year, Bohs will have to go to Finn Harps twice, Derry twice and Cork twice. €100 says it won't happen.

[Slash/ED]

a certain bully boy from a certain club played a part.

Somehow I get the impression that you're talking abouy Ollie Byrne :)

Far from it, in fact the one big thing we wanted went against us, Bohs in Dalymount twice rather than Tolka. Bohs in Tolka is always our biggest gate of the season and if he'd 'played his part' you can bet that would be the first thing to go our way, we didn't want to lose out on that this year and we have. Playing Cork at home twice rather than away twice doesn't really make that much of a difference, look at the Shels Cork results from Tolka and compare them to Cork Shels results in the Cross last year.