eL fixtures released

[pineapple stu]

Reversed? So next year, Bohs will have to go to Finn Harps twice, Derry twice and Cork twice. €100 says it won't happen.
I'll take you up on that bet, if only to show you to do some research before launching into nonsensical conspiracy theories. Worse than the Yanks! :rolleyes:

For the record, here's UCD's fixtures for the past few years...

1998/99
home twice - Shels, Sligo, Cork, Bray, Derry and Bohs
away twice - Waterford, Pat's, Harps, Rovers, Dundalk

1999/00
home twice - Waterford, Pat's, Harps, Rovers, Galway (replaced Dundalk)
away twice - Shels, Sligo, Cork, Drogheda (replaced Bray), Derry and Bohs

2000/01
home twice - Shels, Kilkenny (replaced Sligo), Bohs, Derry, Harps and Rovers (don't know why those last two are different)
away twice - Longford (replaced Waterford), Pat's, Bray (replaced Harps), Galway, Cork (again different for some reason, but these are the exceptions)

2001/02
home twice - Longford, Pat's, Bray, Galway, Cork
away twice - Shels, Monaghan (replaced Kilkenny), Bohs, Derry, Dundalk (replaced Harps) and Rovers

There you go. No conspiracy. Just the way it always has been.

Or am I allowed bring facts into this thread? :rolleyes:

[Éanna]

Lads, some of ye are beginning to sound like Dolan at his most paranoid in mi-rant. We've got a raw deal, absolutely, but can we just get on with it please. I thought our transformation in the last 2 years to a well-run professional club would have meant the victim mentality was a thing of the past. The kind of whinging thats going on here is only going to mean other clubs want to rub our noses in it. Lets just knuckle down, get on with it, and it will make winning the league all the sweeter. Triumph in the face of adversity!

[joeraki]

Or am I allowed bring facts into this thread? :rolleyes:

A cork related rant with facts thrown in. You could be banned for that sort of carry on :cool:

[A face]

Somehow I get the impression that you're talking abouy Ollie Byrne


Why oh why would you have got that impression ???

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok some people complain about the 33 game league. Given that we have a 12 team Premier Division what is the alternative? 44 games? spare me.

You could end up playing the same opposition six times a season if you were unfortunate enough to draw them in the League Cup and the FAI Cup too.

And for all of you 10 team Premier supporters, ( in the 36 game season) the second time your teams played the same opposition at home, many clubs had smaller gates for those games than the first round. In spite of the game taking place in better weather. Conclusion the home supporters were pee-d off seeing the same teams over and over again.

Has anyone else got a better theory as to why this occurred? :confused:

[A face]

Has anyone else got a better theory as to why this occurred? :confused:


Theory ... no .... solution .... merge with northern league.

[Dr.Nightdub]

In fairness to the Cork lads, I think it should be pointed out that not once in the whole three pages of this thread have they moaned and whinged about there being more Dublin refs than Cork refs. Unless of course they're saving that one for later in the season. :p

[A face]

there being more Dublin refs than Cork refs.


So by even mentioning it, you are admitting that it is a problem and you seem to suggest that we'd have grounds to moan about it ??

[pete]

Calling this a fix its stupid. This thread just gives ammo for people mcalling us paranoid.

I've complained about
- distances to away games.
- the layout of fixtures.
- 17 away v 16 home games.

However is it not fair for City to play Shel$, Bohs, Longford & Waterford all away twice.

I can't comment on other team fixtures as can't go through the whole list.

Will look for old 12 team fixtures & see what looks like swopping new clubs.

[Dr.Nightdub]

So by even mentioning it, you are admitting that it is a problem and you seem to suggest that we'd have grounds to moan about it ??

Since when have you lot needed grounds for a moan? :p

There are more people living in Dublin than in Cork. That's a simple fact. As a consequence, the law of averages says there will be more teams in Dublin than in Cork and more refs from Dublin than from Cork. Those are statistical probabilities. You assume that all the Dublin teams and all the Dublin refs are united by a desire to screw Cork. That's paranoia.

Just to get this discussion out of the realm of fevered imaginings and onto a solid factual basis, I just checked out the archive stats on Soccerbot. For the six seasons they have up that featured an odd number of games, Cork's fixtures panned out as follows:
2002/03 14 home, 13 away
2001/02 16 home, 17 away
2000/01 17 home, 16 away
1999/00 16 home, 17 away
1998/99 17 home, 16 away
1997/98 16 home, 17 away
In 1999/00, Cork came 2nd, 9 points behind Shels, so an extra home game would've made no difference. In 1998/99, they came second to us by 3 points. Not losing at home to us could've made a huge difference. :p

[pete]

Will look for old 12 team fixtures & see what looks like swopping new clubs.

Have checked 2001-02 fixtures & looks like opposite fixtures but swopping (don't know how thats done) for different teams.

I think say we just unlucky now although 3 series league clearly idiotic.

[Gary]

all the Dublin teams and all the Dublin refs are united by a desire to screw Cork.


So you finally admit it eh? :p ;) :p

[Dr.Nightdub]

If at first you don't succeed, redefine "quoting in context". :p :p :p

[dcfcsteve]

Reversed? So next year, Bohs will have to go to Finn Harps twice, Derry twice and Cork twice. €100 says it won't happen.

I'll have some of that ! Money to be stumped-up by the loser 5 working days after the 2006 fixtures are announced. PM me your e-mail and we'll amicably arrange it all outside of here. Also - let me know what you think's the easiest way to ensure the winner actually gets to see their money....

And to clarify - the bet is that the 2005 fixture list will be reversed in 2006, with relegated teams replaced by the promoted ones. The bet is off if the 12 team structure is changed/replaced.

[colblimp]

Think a few fanzine writers will have to find a few p!ss-takes out of it?! :)

Absolutely!! It's half written already. :D :D

[pineapple stu]

Absolutely!! It's half written already. :D :D
You're not allowed take the p!ss out of yourselves! :)

[Superhoops]

A cork related rant with facts thrown in. You could be banned for that sort of carry on :cool:
Roy Keane, the Orange Order, money laundering and now the EL! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: UDI if we are not careful!

[A face]

Roy Keane, the Orange Order, money laundering and now the EL! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: UDI if we are not careful!


:D !!

[Macy]

Have checked 2001-02 fixtures & looks like opposite fixtures but swopping (don't know how thats done) for different teams.
I did suggest that earlier - anything else would indicate the league actually doing some work. :D

[observer]

If the whinging, cribbing and crying we are witnessing from Cork fans is indicative of what we can expect from their players during 2005, I really pity refs in charge of their matches. Also if their negative attitude before a ball is kicked, rubs off on the Cork squad it's not the travelling that will concern ye later on but achieving a mid table placing at seasons end. :p

[wws]

Getting back on topic can anyone confirm or deny if all those involved in the match fixing have been interviewed by the police?????


This is a national scandal!

[Cosmo]

'Getting back on topic can anyone confirm or deny if all those involved in the match fixing have been interviewed by the police?????


This is a national scandal!'

Now that is funny - how can ye take some of these cork lads seriously at al at all :rolleyes:

Enough of the whinging and just get on with it ffs (dont like the 3 rounds of matches myself but its just tough, get on with it :rolleyes: ). the time to prevent it was a long time ago, not now ffs......

[Éanna]

Theory ... no .... solution .... merge with northern league.
like thats going to happen overnight :rolleyes:

people need to be realistic here. Now can we quit the victim complex and just get on with it

[ger121]

Lads, it will be totally unreal if City win the league this year, with all the fixing that has gone on with the "fixtures" ...... If City actually do manage the impossible with all the odds stacked aganist them, it'll be real salt in the wounds for anyone that was involved with the match fixing.

Come on City !!

Would you've be saying the same thing if your fixtures had of been the other way around?Some how I doubt it :rolleyes:

[MariborKev]

Getting back on topic can anyone confirm or deny if all those involved in the match fixing have been interviewed by the police?????


This is a national scandal!

No but apprently Ireland are going to play a home friendly in Turners Cross as compensation...........

[Éanna]

Would you've be saying the same thing if your fixtures had of been the other way around?Some how I doubt it :rolleyes:
exactly

[pineapple stu]

Éanna, stop being from Cork and talking sense! You're confusing me! :D

[Éanna]

Éanna, stop being from Cork and talking sense! You're confusing me! :D
LOL. Believe me I share a lot of the concerns and anger that other City fans do. I just don't see what moaning about it now is going to achieve. The time for action was before the AGM and all that. Now we just have to get on with it, and try and make sure it doesn't happen again.

[A face]

exactly


What do you mean exactly ...... "exactly" like you know what i'm about to say.


And Eanner ..... i didnt say the leagues would merge over night.
The league is a mess and is likely to stay that way for some time.


Dont try and predict what what you think i am going to say.

[Éanna]

The league is a mess and is likely to stay that way for some time.
agreed. as i said, we need to be realistic about things. And people giving out that its a fix etc won't do anyone ANY favours.


Do try and predict what what you think i am going to say.
i've no intention of doing so. like I said, realism.

[Colm]

agreed. as i said, we need to be realistic about things. And people giving out that its a fix etc won't do anyone ANY favours.

Yeah but it won't do any harm to express our unhappiness at this whole situation either. I'd much rather see people giving out about it like Dolan is rather than see people just sitting back and excepting it.
The longer we except this shoddy treatment the longer we are going to be screwed around with.

[Éanna]

Yeah but it won't do any harm to express our unhappiness at this whole situation either. I'd much rather see people giving out about it like Dolan is rather than see people just sitting back and excepting it.
The longer we except this shoddy treatment the longer we are going to be screwed around with.
I dunno. Look at the reaction of most people on this board to this thread. Are they sympathetic to us? No. Now think of the league as a whole- I'd iamgine their reaction will be similar. As I've said, we got a raw deal, no doubt, and we have every right to be annoyed. But if it wasn't us, it would have been someone else, and will be someone else next year. I'm not saying we shouldn't feel unhappy about it (if for nothing else, it means me spending more time on the road :rolleyes: ) but the suggestion that CCFC was singled out and deliberatley given a raw deal sounds paranoid and childish.


Dolan has made his point, as he is entitled to. Unfortunatley, he chose to have another pop at Shels over it, which I think was just pointless and will only get people's backs up. The point has been made, so I trust we won't hear about it again: i.e. it won't be brought up as an excuse for poor results, or a poor league placing later in the season? Point made, now we have a job to do, so lets do it. I'm delighted to see Dolan stick up for City, but I'm sure other people in the club are doing their bit to sort this out too.

You and I (as do all City fans) know that we've got some shít decisions against us in the past. And we've complained about it. It hasn't changed anything. The only thing we can do is say "fúck you all, we'll go and win it anyway." And thats what I want to see

[Colm]

Dolan has made his point, as he is entitled to. Unfortunatley, he chose to have another pop at Shels over it, which I think was just pointless and will only get people's backs up.

So you don't think Ollie Byrne's bully boy tactics had anything to do with it? I'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case. No other club has someone like him who will kick up a stink until he gets his own way. Dolan was dead right to single Shels out.

And don't be worrying how other clubs fans react to it, when have they ever been sympathetic to City in the past? Nothing new here.

[Éanna]

So you don't think Ollie Byrne's bully boy tactics had anything to do with it? I'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case. No other club has someone like him who will kick up a stink until he gets his own way. Dolan was dead right to single Shels out.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I'd say they probably did. But how is moaning about it going to change anything? Ollie is there to stay, and nothing- not Dolan complaining, nor you, nor me- will change that. By giving out about him and blaming everything on him, it gives him great ammunition to turn around and say "they're mad/paranoid/jealous." Last season ONE win against Shels would have won us the league. We didn't get that win, because they were better than us. So the solution is to be better and to beat them. You don't win trophies by talking. Colm, you know better than most what I think of shels. I've never liked tham, and never will. But CCFC, and Dolan in particular, are becoming like the boy who cried wolf at this stage. We're right to complain about Ollie, and the league and all these other things- but if we keep it up at this rate, people will just stop listening. And where will that get us?


And don't be worrying how other clubs fans react to it, when have they ever been sympathetic to City in the past? Nothing new here.
I'm not worried about it. The point I'm making is if they show us no sympathy, then the other clubs are unlikely to show us sympathy either. And if the other clubs react to us like this at the next eircom League meeting, then we're in for a rough ride. We're actually making things worse for ourselves.

[BohDiddley]

In other words, Paranoid! (http://www.egodeath.com/sablyrics.htm)

[BohDiddley]

I want to move to Cork so that I can blame everything on everyone else.
But they won't let me! :eek:

[A face]

I dunno. Look at the reaction of most people on this board to this thread. Are they sympathetic to us? No. Now think of the league as a whole- I'd iamgine their reaction will be similar.

Are you for real ..... why should i look at the reaction of people in this thread. Go back and see who is making the posts. The same people who are always on here when they feel the need to stick the knife in .... but are well gone when the table turns a degree towards them. Anyone can pick out half a post (or suggest something that wasn't even posted) and get a dig in and avoid what is ACTUALLY being said altogether.

And no ... this board isn't a cross section of the leagues opinion and i say this because YOU DONT KNOW other peoples opinion. To claims so is childish.


As I've said, we got a raw deal, no doubt, and we have every right to be annoyed.But if it wasn't us, it would have been someone else, and will be someone else next year.

And that makes it alright ..... you are way off here Eanna ..... I said all along that if this fixture were make with a system in place then it would be fine, software what ever. THEY WEREN'T .... That is my gripe about them (i am saying this cos you have quoted me on a number of occasions)



I'm not saying we shouldn't feel unhappy about it

I should hope not .... because you wouldn't be listened to.


(if for nothing else, it means me spending more time on the road :rolleyes: )

You'd want to get a milage card at this stage with the ground you cover.


but the suggestion that CCFC was singled out and deliberatley given a raw deal sounds paranoid and childish.

I didn't say City were singled out, BUT i did say .... we have got the worst possible deal out of it. While others have got the best ..... I dont give a care, i am not going to hide it .... i am fúcked off over it. Someone made out these fixtures and in my opinion it leaves him wide open for any abuse from ANY club that it effects.



IF ..... software or a transparent system were used then i would be píssed off but wouldn't grumble because it was FAIRLY compiled fixtures.



Dolan has made his point, as he is entitled to. Unfortunatley, he chose to have another pop at Shels over it, which I think was just pointless and will only get people's backs up. The point has been made, so I trust we won't hear about it again: i.e. it won't be brought up as an excuse for poor results, or a poor league placing later in the season? Point made, now we have a job to do, so lets do it. I'm delighted to see Dolan stick up for City, but I'm sure other people in the club are doing their bit to sort this out too.

Ahh ... what has this got to do with the fixtures.


You and I (as do all City fans) know that we've got some shít decisions against us in the past. And we've complained about it. It hasn't changed anything. The only thing we can do is say "fúck you all, we'll go and win it anyway." And thats what I want to see

Hear hear fella !!

[Gary]

Just out of interest, how could the eL have done it any better? And also, if next seasons fixtures where this season, would City fans be up in arms saying its unfair that Bohs have to go North twice, and that they have to come here twice?

Time to get over it lads.

[Slash/ED]

So you don't think Ollie Byrne's bully boy tactics had anything to do with it? I'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case. No other club has someone like him who will kick up a stink until he gets his own way. Dolan was dead right to single Shels out.

And don't be worrying how other clubs fans react to it, when have they ever been sympathetic to City in the past? Nothing new here.

You don't half talk some shíte. If Ollie Byrne had anything to do with it beleive me, the first thing that would have happened is we'd have played Bohs twice in Tolka. He couldn't care less where we play Cork. That was the big issue for us, and he mentioned that himself before the fixtures came out, and it's gone the other way, ffs you've a better record in Tolka then in the Cross against us!

Next year the fixtures switch, a fact that seems to be behind common sense on the que to Cork, because next season Shels, Ollie Byrne and all, will have more away games than home games and will be in Turners Cross twice, bar any change to the league structure that is. So unless the evil genius that controls the universe and is single handedly responsible for Cork not being the best team in the world, Ollie Byrne, plans to try and get some sort of groundhog day situaton going where we'll just constantly play the 2005 season over and over again, next season Cork will have a major advantage.

Will you moan then? Will you say Pat Dolans whinging has influenced the fixture makers? Did Dolan moan when he played Shels twice in Inchicore and once in Tolka and won the league by a whisker? No.

Dolan is, as usual, ranting about Shels blindly and I can't believe anyone pays any attention to what he has to say in the media anymore. It's beyond a joke at this stage, all it will do is eventually get beaten into your players that they've no chance to win the league as they're all against them, so I'm happy for him to continue.

[Superhoops]

:D !!
Sorry, forgot for a nanosec you were from Cork! UDI = Unilateral Declaration of Independance

[A face]

Next year the fixtures switch, a fact that seems to be behind common sense on the que to Cork, because next season Shels, Ollie Byrne and all, will have more away games than home games and will be in Turners Cross twice, bar any change to the league structure that is.

Slash .... picture this ..... you have a wage bill that is spiralling as we speak, you may have to get rid of some players on the cheap to curb it the lack of funds, they will go to other Dub clubs who will all be looking to take points of you that year (if you are not backrupt by then) you are planning to move grounds aswell and sure to have added costs in there. You may not make it to Europe and could face a possible dent in sponsorship raising capabilities along with other lack of funds in which Europe can bring. You now face a set of fixtures where the clubs that will probably be at the top of the table again and will have to play them away twice and all this because your two-bit tin pan league couldn't sort out the fixtures properly the first time round. The current system isn't ideal ... we've all established that by now. But where the f**k is the sense in making a bad set of fixtures even worse. You league just gave you a big kick in the teeth and you turn around smiling ..... ahh .... err ... i think not !!

[Slash/ED]

Slash .... picture this ..... you have a wage bill that is spiralling as we speak, you may have to get rid of some players on the cheap to curb it the lack of funds, they will go to other Dub clubs who will all be looking to take points of you that year (if you are not backrupt by then) you are planning to move grounds aswell and sure to have added costs in there. You may not make it to Europe and could face a possible dent in sponsorship raising capabilities along with other lack of funds in which Europe can bring. You now face a set of fixtures where the clubs that will probably be at the top of the table again and will have to play them away twice and all this because your two-bit tin pan league couldn't sort out the fixtures properly the first time round. The current system isn't ideal ... we've all established that by now. But where the f**k is the sense in making a bad set of fixtures even worse. You league just gave you a big kick in the teeth and you turn around smiling ..... ahh .... err ... i think not !!

I never said that the system wasn't a joke or that the fixtures are fair, it's this whole conspiracy theory that everyones out to get Cork and Ollie Byrne picked the fixtures and all of the rubbish people have been saying that gets me. There is no conspiracy, there is no anti Cork agenda, Ollie Byrne didn't hand pick the bleedin' fixtures himself, it's simply sheer stupidity on the part of the FAI in giving us this stupid system in the first place. No more, no less. The usual paranoid blame Ollie for everyone fantasies that some people come up with do nobody any good, blame the FAI and anyone who voted for this absolutley crazy 12 team league at the AGM.

And the fixtures will be reversed next year anyway.

[Éanna]

Are you for real ..... why should i look at the reaction of people in this thread. Go back and see who is making the posts. The same people who are always on here when they feel the need to stick the knife in .... but are well gone when the table turns a degree towards them. Anyone can pick out half a post (or suggest something that wasn't even posted) and get a dig in and avoid what is ACTUALLY being said altogether.
There are a number of posters on here who are very reasonable and sane in their postings, and they've reacted badly to this thread. If (and I say IF)the other clubs react like that, then we're in for a rough ride.


And no ... this board isn't a cross section of the leagues opinion
:confused: This board is as good an indicator of opinion across the league's fans as we have. Its not perfect, its not scientific, but it does offer some clues.

i say this because YOU DONT KNOW other peoples opinion. To claims so is childish.
I don't know other people's opinion? I know the opinion of the people who've posted on this thread. Which is what I was talking about. I would never be so stupid as to claim I knew what every eircom League fan is thinking, but then I never said anything like that, did I?


And that makes it alright ..... you are way off here Eanna ..... I said all along that if this fixture were make with a system in place then it would be fine, software what ever. THEY WEREN'T .... That is my gripe about them (i am saying this cos you have quoted me on a number of occasions)
I'm not way off. It happened to be us. It could have been someone else, and it will be next year. Thats a fact. And no it doesn't make it alright. As for your gripe, I agree, totally.


I should hope not .... because you wouldn't be listened to.
too right.


You'd want to get a milage card at this stage with the ground you cover. probably :o



I didn't say City were singled out, BUT i did say .... we have got the worst possible deal out of it. While others have got the best ..... I dont give a care, i am not going to hide it .... i am fúcked off over it. Someone made out these fixtures and in my opinion it leaves him wide open for any abuse from ANY club that it effects.

Others have implied that we were singled out. I never accused you of saying it. Agree with the rest of what you say.


IF ..... software or a transparent system were used then i would be píssed off but wouldn't grumble because it was FAIRLY compiled fixtures.
likewise. But my point is that grumbling won't change anything.



Ahh ... what has this got to do with the fixtures.
I think I posted that in reply to something Colm said. And while its not directly related to the fixtures, it was relevant to other points that have been brought up on the thread.

[Éanna]

I never said that the system wasn't a joke or that the fixtures are fair, it's this whole conspiracy theory that everyones out to get Cork and Ollie Byrne picked the fixtures and all of the rubbish people have been saying that gets me. There is no conspiracy, there is no anti Cork agenda, Ollie Byrne didn't hand pick the bleedin' fixtures himself, it's simply sheer stupidity on the part of the FAI in giving us this stupid system in the first place. No more, no less. The usual paranoid blame Ollie for everyone fantasies that some people come up with do nobody any good, blame the FAI and anyone who voted for this absolutley crazy 12 team league at the AGM.

And the fixtures will be reversed next year anyway.
****in hell, I hate agreeing with shels fans :mad: :)

[A face]

likewise. But my point is that grumbling won't change anything.

I know but what else is there to do ..... banging our heads off the wall doesn't do much either



I think I posted that in reply to something Colm said. And while its not directly related to the fixtures, it was relevant to other points that have been brought up on the thread.

Fair nuff, thought it was me.


Slash, conspiracy ..... i didn't mention it once in any of my posts. You are including other people opinions in with mine.

I am still píssed off though !! :p

[Slash/ED]

Slash, conspiracy ..... i didn't mention it once in any of my posts. You are including other people opinions in with mine.

I am still píssed off though !! :p

Yeah I didn't mean specfically you with that reply, I was just explaining why I was so annoyed with what people have been saying in this thread (And in the media ;) )

[dcfcsteve]

Two points :

Firstly - all clubs signed-up to the 12 team league, and approved its fixtures at the AGM. Therefore, all clubs - including Cork - bear and share the responsibility. Waiting to see if lady luck has been kind to you or not with the fixtures before complaining about a decision your own club was party to is just childish and f*cking pathetic.....

Secondly - we're stuck with the 12 team 3 rounds system, because all our clubs agreed it through the appropriate channels. It's inevitable that some clubs will feel disadvantaged by the inherent imbalance between home and away games. So for everyone who's moaning about this - what's your solution ? Again - given that your own club voted for it all to happen and it's probably too late to change it now ?

[pete]

****in hell, I hate agreeing with shels fans :mad: :)

Its better if just skip their posts, that way no danger of compromising yourself ;)

[Éanna]

Two points :

Firstly - all clubs signed-up to the 12 team league, and approved its fixtures at the AGM. Therefore, all clubs - including Cork - bear and share the responsibility. Waiting to see if lady luck has been kind to you or not with the fixtures before complaining about a decision your own club was party to is just childish and f*cking pathetic.....

Secondly - we're stuck with the 12 team 3 rounds system, because all our clubs agreed it through the appropriate channels. It's inevitable that some clubs will feel disadvantaged by the inherent imbalance between home and away games. So for everyone who's moaning about this - what's your solution ? Again - given that your own club voted for it all to happen and it's probably too late to change it now ?
couldn't agree more

[A face]

Two points :

I know what you're saying and they're valid points but (and i dont know this) did Cork City sign up for both ?? obviously a majority did but how did it pan out. There was a majority in the first div. anyway.

And Steve, i dont agree with everything my club does either :D ... you'd be mad to.

Anyway ... i think this one has been through the ringer at this stage and as said already, it ain't gonna change.