For Ireland to make the Round of 16...

[DannyInvincible]

Hungary have just taken the lead. The stars are aligning...

[SkStu]

Hungary have just taken the lead. The stars are aligning...

Iceland also score. Can you explain the permutations to me? Is it only the very specific scorelines that (I think) legendz outlined that will see us avoid France - if we win against Italy (and only if we win 3-0)?

[BonnieShels]

I like the quirkiness of the format. It's unpredictable and more a reflection of the world we live in. I'm enjoying the euro's more than the World Cup.

Generally the Euros are much much much better than the World Cup as a rule.

Euro 2008, bar the final result was a cracker. Some great games in 2012. I'm not gone on this one, but that Croatia-Spain game last night was wonderful and reinvigorated my enthusiasm.

[BonnieShels]

This is mental

[davidatrb]

Iceland also score. Can you explain the permutations to me? Is it only the very specific scorelines that (I think) legendz outlined that will see us avoid France - if we win against Italy (and only if we win 3-0)?

If third place in F is worse than D and then we qualify with any sort of win then we avoid France and that whole side. So it's working out well, nobody expected Hungary to be beating Portugal.

Slovakia (B) and NI (C) have already qualified. If we win any win then we qualify too. So if D qualify instead of F then look up the wiki table and BCDE combination gives Winner D (Croatia) vs 3E.

[BonnieShels]

If third place in F is worse than D and then we qualify with any sort of win then we avoid France and that whole side. So it's working out well, nobody expected Hungary to be beating Portugal.

Slovakia (B) and NI (C) have already qualified. If we win any win then we qualify too. So if D qualify instead of F then look up the wiki table and BCDE combination gives Winner D (Croatia) vs 3E.

If you have no further questions. Yes.

[Stuttgart88]

I like the quirkiness of the format. It's unpredictable and more a reflection of the world we live in. I'm enjoying the euro's more than the World Cup.
Me too.

I think tennis should / could experiment with no seeding. Seeding only entrenches the existing order.

[DannyInvincible]

Iceland also score. Can you explain the permutations to me? Is it only the very specific scorelines that (I think) legendz outlined that will see us avoid France - if we win against Italy (and only if we win 3-0)?

[Edit: I had written the message below just as Portugal scored an equaliser so when I talk about how things stand, I'm referring to Hungary leading 1-0.]

No, as far as I know, if things stay as they are and we beat Italy by a single goal, Portugal will finish third on 2 points, which won't be enough to make them one of the best third-placed teams, so we'll match up with Croatia in the weaker half of the draw. Open to correction, but that's my understanding.

I think the Iceland-Austria result is irrelevant so long as Portugal lose as an Iceland win will see them qualify in first or second with 5 points and Austria ending on 1 point. Meanwhile, a draw would leave Iceland second on 3 points and Austria with only 2 points. An Austria victory would leave Iceland on 2 points and Austria on 4 points, but they'd leap-frog into second position with Portugal still behind them on 2 points.

A Portugal draw would give them the 3 points to see them through on account of their goal difference. But if there is no third-placed qualifier from this group (F), I think that means we match up with Croatia.

If that sounds complicated, there's more info in graph form here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Knockout_phase_structure

Best to look at the table, as it's sort of difficult to explain given all the possible outcomes! :)

Edit: Bah, Portugal equalise just as I'm typing that.

[Stuttgart88]

Can someone explain to me what a match-up is?

[DannyInvincible]

Can someone explain to me what a match-up is?

Ha, just to be clear, I would never use "match up" as a noun.

[DannyInvincible]

Hungary back in the lead. Good stuff.

[davidatrb]

Hungary back in the lead. Good stuff.

Danny whenever you post Portugal score!

[DannyInvincible]

Bah, Portugal equalise again.

[davidatrb]

As it stands. This drops Portugal into the strong side of the draw. They would play England in round of 16.

[legendz]

Me too.

I think tennis should / could experiment with no seeding. Seeding only entrenches the existing order.

UEFA could have taken a look at tennis' Davis Cup when coming up with the convoluted UEFA Nations League. Knock-out rounds over 2 legs would seem more appropriate than the group stage format in 4 divisions.

[davidatrb]

Iceland play England

Hungary play probably Belgium.

And now Ireland can knock Turkey out.

Wow!

[davidatrb]

Germany play Slovakia.

France play Ireland or Northern Ireland depending if we get a best 3rd for E.

Wales play Northern Ireland or Turkey.

Croatia play Portugal?

[legendz]

If we win and finish 3rd:
France/Ireland v England/Iceland.

In the most unlikely scenario we win 3-0 and Sweden win 1-0:
Wales/N. Ireland v Hungary/Ireland

[davidatrb]

Did Iceland shoot themselves in the foot with that late goal?

[legendz]

Italy were the first team to win their group and Spain is their reward.

Italy, Spain and Germany are in the same quadrant of the knockout stages.

Croatia win Spain's group and Portugal is their reward! Mad stuff.

[DannyInvincible]

If we win, we play France; is that correct?

[davidatrb]

If we win, we play France; is that correct?

No! But most likely.

[DannyInvincible]

Ha, sorry, if we win and finish third, that'd mean we play France, right?

[davidatrb]

Ha, sorry, if we win and finish third, that'd mean we play France, right?

Yes!!

[pineapple stu]

If we (and Sweden) don't win, the North play France. If we win, they play Wales. Lots to be decided yet.

[legendz]

We're there!!!

[davidatrb]

We deserved it. Next up France, then England, then Spain and finally revenge on Belgium.

[davidatrb]

Confirms Wales vs n Ireland.

And cements Belgium in the weak side of the draw.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Regular serious of grudge matches for Ireland to win the Euros it seems!

[Eminence Grise]

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

[tricky_colour]

Did our win send Albania home?

i would have liked them to go through, but obviously not at our expense.

We have unfinished business with France. ;)

Obviously we will be up against ref as bent as a corkscrew too. :mad:

[tricky_colour]

https://twitter.com/STVSport/status/745719404579553280

[punkrocket]

So Italy get Spain and Belgium get Hungary, that worked out well for them.
Belgium's goal against Sweden, now that's what I call a punk rocket.

[pineapple stu]

We should warm up v France with a bit of GAA.

Weird hand-passing game; the French won't know what to make of it.

[Kingdom]

Hmm, trying to figure that one out Kingdom! When does "recent" begin?

I was thinking turn of the millenium tbh.
win v France in 2009 (stade de handball)
win v Italy in Charleroi (albeit friendly)
win v |germany in |Dublin
no wins v England & Spain

Hungary? Croatia? Poland???? Wales in 2007 and then the Nations cup thingy.

So 3v 2

[pineapple stu]

Did we beat Hungary in the friendly that wasn't, immediately before Euro 2012?

[pineapple stu]

Also, Hoolahan scored a winner v Poland I'm sure. Same match Sammon made his debut?

[Kingdom]

Did we beat Hungary in the friendly that wasn't, immediately before Euro 2012?

0-0 I had thought

[BonnieShels]

We won that 0-0.

Same as how we "outclassed" Bosnia in those friendlies.

EDIT: Ha ha. Memories eh?

[BonnieShels]

We should warm up v France with a bit of GAA.

Weird hand-passing game; the French won't know what to make of it.

well Dublin v Meath us being put back...

So that's a start.

[legendz]

I'm happy enough that we've gotten out of the group. Anything more will be a bonus and gladly welcome. We've got to get revenge for '09!

[pineapple stu]

We won that 0-0.
Had a feeling it might have been - looks like I'm mixing it up with the other friendly that kind of wasn't (because it wasn't on TV) in 1991. Which we did win, though I thought it was 0-0.

[Stuttgart88]

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[BonnieShels]

Had a feeling it might have been - looks like I'm mixing it up with the other friendly that kind of wasn't (because it wasn't on TV) in 1991. Which we did win, though I thought it was 0-0.

I remember that one too. Wasn't that Brady's testimonial? We had sponsors on our shirts.

[BonnieShels]

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[pineapple stu]

I remember that one too. Wasn't that Brady's testimonial? We had sponsors on our shirts.

No, Brady's testimonial was a 2-1 win at home v Finland in 1990 (my first ever game!)

I can't remember much of the Hungary one other than that I think it was only on the radio. Certainly wasn't on TV.

[pineapple stu]

Highlights here - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9QNNAKDoVZE

[DeLorean]

Bonner caught out by the aul Donadoni-Schillachi routine again.

[pineapple stu]

Should we close this thread by the way? :p

[Real ale Madrid]

No, Brady's testimonial was a 2-1 win at home v Finland in 1990 (my first ever game!)



Pedantic Pat says 1-1 draw.