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livehead1
30/12/2004, 3:11 PM
I don't see yours. I can't see how someone could actively support a club and then favour a national team over them. I can't understand it at all.
ok...let me explain. for me personally. i play football at a good standard so cant take time out to go to international games but i get down to watch forest maybe on a wednesday 2wice a month or something like that. so i do see them quite a bit. i watch ireland matches on TV, ye i do prefer to watch ireland and if i had a choice i would say that ireland to win over forest to win
ok...let me explain. for me personally. i play football at a good standard so cant take time out to go to international games but i get down to watch forest maybe on a wednesday 2wice a month or something like that. so i do see them quite a bit. i watch ireland matches on TV, ye i do prefer to watch ireland and if i had a choice i would say that ireland to win over forest to win
fair enough. I just don't understand how anyone could favour a country over their club. doesn't make sense to me
Has to be Club over Country every time.
"Irish by birth, Cork by the grace of God"
ollie
30/12/2004, 10:48 PM
"Irish by birth, Cork by the grace of God"
how true :)
Cosmo
31/12/2004, 10:55 AM
A bit late adding to this thread - but its club over country every time for me :eek:
harpskid
31/12/2004, 1:39 PM
Likewise Cosmo
'Well just remember.....If it wasn't for Ireland......None of our clubs would exist!'
Eh, is that a serious statement you're making? Surely not :confused:
Well just remember.....If it wasn't for Ireland......None of our clubs would exist!Not even Celtic!
i think you'll find its the other way around. and celtic have nothing to do with Irish football anyway :rolleyes:
Just reading through this thread and nobody acknowledged an interesting point.
If you asked the same question on any English clubs forum I'd guarantee you that a very very high majority would choose club over country. I would guess it would be the same for Spain, Italy, etc. :rolleyes:
Cowboy
31/12/2004, 4:19 PM
i think you'll find its the other way around. and celtic have nothing to do with Irish football anyway :rolleyes:
Davros said "Ireland" not Irish football, since it was founded by Irishman (as was hibernan) his statement is true with regard to these two clubs at the very least.
Yeah Irishmen founded them, big deal - cant see the why it was brought into the club V country debate
livehead1
31/12/2004, 5:23 PM
Davros said "Ireland" not Irish football, since it was founded by Irishman (as was hibernan) his statement is true with regard to these two clubs at the very least.
well said, the anti-celtic feeling on this board really pis*es me off. celtic have irish roots so lets jst live with it and stop slating them!!! they played a big role in the social lives and survival of many irish people during the years when they were set up , for that we should be happy!
What are ye on about??
This thread is about club V country - not history on who set up what club (btw historically arent everton the historical 'irish' club in liverpool - correct me if im wrong).
As said above Celtic have nothing whatsoever to do with Irish football - has irish historical roots, but nothing whatsoever to do with irish football today!!
Ireland is probably one of the very few countries in europe where this debate is of great significance - for the most part in europe (and i would guess in other continents that are as passionate about football as the english, italian, etc) - football supporters will support their clubs well before their country.
livehead1
01/01/2005, 11:22 AM
What are ye on about??
This thread is about club V country - not history on who set up what club (btw historically arent everton the historical 'irish' club in liverpool - correct me if im wrong).
As said above Celtic have nothing whatsoever to do with Irish football - has irish historical roots, but nothing whatsoever to do with irish football today!!
Ireland is probably one of the very few countries in europe where this debate is of great significance - for the most part in europe (and i would guess in other continents that are as passionate about football as the english, italian, etc) - football supporters will support their clubs well before their country.
where exactly did i say celtic had anything to do with irish football?? its the anti celtic thing that there is no need for!
where exactly did i say celtic had anything to do with irish football?? its the anti celtic thing that there is no need for!
slightly off topic there pal. club or country?
most football fans the world over would choose club first. thats just the way it is.
That doesnt means you cant support the national team too, just that your priority is with your club team
Just reading through this thread and nobody acknowledged an interesting point.
If you asked the same question on any English clubs forum I'd guarantee you that a very very high majority would choose club over country. I would guess it would be the same for Spain, Italy, etc. :rolleyes:
spot on. thats exactly the point I was making- that people who support their club day in and day out, will favour the club over their country.
Pat O' Banton
02/01/2005, 12:15 PM
spot on. thats exactly the point I was making- that people who support their club day in and day out, will favour the club over their country.
Ahhhhhhhhhh!!! :mad:
Okay, what are you saying that the rest of us support our clubs Monday to Wednesday and support the national team for the rest of the week?
For one last time people on this site are as passonate about their club as you are but still would support the national team first.
For one last time people on this site are as passonate about their club as you are but still would support the national team first.
i would suggest then that your club is not very important to you if a team that plays 8 times a year is of more significance to you
livehead1
02/01/2005, 2:45 PM
i would suggest then that your club is not very important to you if a team that plays 8 times a year is of more significance to you
on the other side of the coin, i would suggest that international football has more of a buzz to it as it is only 8 times a year and not 50times as clubs do play. that can get monotmous (s.p.) lol
on the other side of the coin, i would suggest that international football has more of a buzz to it as it is only 8 times a year and not 50times as clubs do play. that can get monotmous (s.p.) lol
dont get me wrong. i support Ireland and regularly go to games at home and have been away a goog few times. But City are my team. pure and simple
Pat O' Banton
02/01/2005, 2:49 PM
i would suggest then that your club is not very important to you if a team that plays 8 times a year is of more significance to you
Well you know me so well :rolleyes: . I make an 800+ mile round trip every month to watch them play, so, your right I couldn't care less about club football. :rolleyes: and if your wondering why only every month well, I would go every game but at the moment I can't afford. Still I bow to your superior knowlege of my football watching habbits. (how about another of those rollies type icons) :rolleyes:
Well you know me so well :rolleyes: . I make an 800+ mile round trip every month to watch them play, so, your right I couldn't care less about club football. :rolleyes: and if your wondering why only every month well, I would go every game but at the moment I can't afford. Still I bow to your superior knowlege of my football watching habbits. (how about another of those rollies type icons) :rolleyes:
i guess i'm using my own barometer here. all the travel home and away and in europe means you have a love of a team. and no doubt you do this too.
and then you say you prefer the international team? your choice but i dont understand it myself
Pat O' Banton
02/01/2005, 4:04 PM
i guess i'm using my own barometer here. all the travel home and away and in europe means you have a love of a team. and no doubt you do this too.
and then you say you prefer the international team? your choice but i dont understand it myself
Why the need to understand anything?
Yes I have followed my team home and away as well as in Europe and watching them live is a time consuming and expensive thing but not one that I would swap (I take it that the traveling that I undertake shows a passion and a commitment.) However what I don’t do is set a barometer for level of support of a team. What about someone who is unemployed, has had a child, simply isn’t earning enough to go to games on a regular basis are these any less committed than you or me?
And yes at the end of it all I still prefer the national team because I do. No explanation, no reasoning, just the way it is. Now does any of this make me less commited to club football? Any less involved in being a day in day out supporter? Is my club any less important to me?
Ahhhhhhhhhh!!! :mad:
Okay, what are you saying that the rest of us support our clubs Monday to Wednesday and support the national team for the rest of the week?
For one last time people on this site are as passonate about their club as you are but still would support the national team first.
for fcuks sake. are you intent on misunderstanding me or what? I've said its everyone's individual choice. I really don't care who you do or don't support. I made a comment on the way the replies on the thread were going, and expressed an opinion. I didn't tell you you were wrong (or right) to do what you do. get over it
eirebhoy
02/01/2005, 4:24 PM
i would suggest then that your club is not very important to you if a team that plays 8 times a year is of more significance to you
I would suggest that your country doesn't mean very much to you...
Pat O' Banton
02/01/2005, 4:24 PM
Eanna, the point is that every time you go this subject you make it seem, to me at least, that you are part of a vanguard of fans who are the only ones who are passonate about club football as you put it 'day in day out' now I am simply pointing out that because we support the national side first it does not make us any less day in day out fans of club football. Do you understand that point? Now sorry if I am misinterpreting you but this is the way that your posts on the subject have come across.
well if thats how it was coming across, it wasn't my intention. I don't give a flying **** about the international team, but even when I did, City always came first. I can understand why your average barstool fan will put his country first ahead of a team he only sees on tv, but how someone who goes to games week in week out can put a national team first- well I just don't get it. But like I said, its not my place to judge anyone- support whoever you like. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone- well, except barstoolers :)
I would suggest that your country doesn't mean very much to you...
personally, I'm hugely proud of being Irish and there are a lot of things I love about ireland- the national football team isn't one of them. My country means a hell of a lot to me, but I just don't think the football team represents this country.
Pat O' Banton
02/01/2005, 4:34 PM
I'm not claiming to be better than anyone- well, except barstoolers :)
Well hombre, we agree on something as well as Palestine :)
eirebhoy
02/01/2005, 4:40 PM
personally, I'm hugely proud of being Irish and there are a lot of things I love about ireland- the national football team isn't one of them. My country means a hell of a lot to me, but I just don't think the football team represents this country.
But it is your opinion that brings you to that conclusion. Nobody from outside of Ireland think that so that's fine with me. If a Swedish person came up to me tomorrow and told me he thought the Irish national team wasn't representing the country of Ireland then fair enough. To every one of the 6+ billion people in the world (give or take or two) the Irish team is representing Ireland.
To every one of the 6+ billion people in the world (give or take or two) the Irish team is representing Ireland.
It represents the Republic of Ireland actually.
No football team represents Ireland.
But it is your opinion that brings you to that conclusion. Nobody from outside of Ireland think that so that's fine with me. If a Swedish person came up to me tomorrow and told me he thought the Irish national team wasn't representing the country of Ireland then fair enough. To every one of the 6+ billion people in the world (give or take or two) the Irish team is representing Ireland.
well I'm not an expert on football in other countries, so why should I expect people from other countries to know the situation here. I never said it was fact, just my opinion. Is my opinion LESS valid because I AM Irish :confused:
It represents the Republic of Ireland actually.
No football team represents Ireland.
that being one of the principle reasons I DON'T like the football team and DO support the rugby team.
Clondalkin Hoop
03/01/2005, 9:03 AM
Hers a poser lads......Your club to win the league in 2005 or Ireland to qualify for the world cup.
Only one can happen, what would you pick?
No poser what so ever. It would have to be SRFC.
I'm as proud as the next fella about being irish and i love to see ireland doing well. I travel to most the irish games but when it comes to choose between ireland and Rovers, the latter always comes first.
But in reality this question is only really applicable to eircom league fans.
Cowboy
03/01/2005, 1:17 PM
I find it hard to understand the purpose of this thread as I see no conflict between supporting your club or your country. Why is there a necessity to chose one over the other, are Ireland going to be playing LOI clubs any time soon?
anto eile
03/01/2005, 1:57 PM
id rather Rovers under 12's won a corner kick before ireland won the world cup. the worlds greatest bandwaggon-jumping day tripper man yoo lovers dont deserve a successful international team
skbio_toronto
03/01/2005, 11:06 PM
I find it hard to understand the purpose of this thread as I see no conflict between supporting your club or your country. Why is there a necessity to chose one over the other, are Ireland going to be playing LOI clubs any time soon?
At last, some sense on this nonsensical thread. How irrelevant a premise it is to lump in the Irish national team with a club's fortunes. Yet this is a question so often posed on messageboards I surf from time to time.
One attitude I do detect (and in fairness I can understand it to a degree) is that alot of people don't really enjoy going to Ireland matches given the amount of 'johnny come latelies' that seem to populate Lansdowne Road. For me, I've understood from an early age that the majority of people are bandwagon Ireland supporters. i.e. the kind of people who're all about the Irish team when things are going well but ridicules them mercilessly after one error srewn loss. (Begrudgery afterall is a most Irish trait) Certainly not the people who (largely) subscribe to this website. I'm not altogether happy with that scenario either but I've long learned to accept it.
As for the club-country debate Cowboy knocked that whole diatribe much more effectively than my long winded explanation ever could.
Right on.
SKBIO-TOR
Hers a poser lads......Your club to win the league in 2005 or Ireland to qualify for the world cup.
Only one can happen, what would you pick?
its a hypothetical question lads. bit of off season fun like! dont answer it if you dont want to!
De Town
04/01/2005, 2:29 PM
I'd probably go with club :eek: with Ireland to win the WC in 2010 :D
I'd probably go with club :eek: with Ireland to win the WC in 2010 :D
Both highly unlikely ha ha
tricky_colour
04/01/2005, 6:44 PM
I think you should be able to play for whatever country you like.
After all, you have people playing for Chelsea who are not Londoners.
Clondalkin Hoop
04/01/2005, 7:57 PM
I think you should be able to play for whatever country you like.
After all, you have people playing for Chelsea who are not Londoners.
How would propose this to work? Transfer system?
Will it not just end up the same as club football?
Eanna, the point is that every time you go this subject you make it seem, to me at least, that you are part of a vanguard of fans who are the only ones who are passonate about club football as you put it 'day in day out' now I am simply pointing out that because we support the national side first it does not make us any less day in day out fans of club football.
Just thinking about this and no offence but would this have anything to do with the fact that your club is not Irish therefore you do not see a conflict?
You see yourself as Irish and this is your number 1 priority but your team is not so there is a clear distinction in your eyes between the 2, where as in the EL fans eyes there is not the same differentiation.
Just a thought.
Just thinking about this and no offence but would this have anything to do with the fact that your club is not Irish therefore you do not see a conflict?
You see yourself as Irish and this is your number 1 priority but your team is not so there is a clear distinction in your eyes between the 2, where as in the EL fans eyes there is not the same differentiation.
Just a thought.
nail on the head. its our English friends who want to be Irish that have the problem ;)
Pat O' Banton
05/01/2005, 4:18 PM
Just thinking about this and no offence but would this have anything to do with the fact that your club is not Irish therefore you do not see a conflict?
You see yourself as Irish and this is your number 1 priority but your team is not so there is a clear distinction in your eyes between the 2, where as in the EL fans eyes there is not the same differentiation.
Just a thought.
No offence taken.
Speaking as someone who has had difficulty remembering his name when going into a football ground this is very deep, but seeing as I follow a team based in Glasgow the whole debate is wrapped up in how, as a 2ndG, I see the identity of that club. And as this ground has been gone over numouous times, I ain't even attempting to look at this again.
Pat O' Banton
05/01/2005, 4:20 PM
nail on the head. its our English friends who want to be Irish that have the problem ;)
Oh dear :rolleyes:
liam88
05/01/2005, 5:11 PM
Love my clubs-amazingly passionate; their results can make me happy as or depressed! But Ireland takes precedance-there's something a lot different about supporting yours country! Eireann all the way! :D :D
but seeing as I follow a team based in Glasgow
Didn't realise you supported that lot as well.
In my post I was referring to your obvious devotion to those from North London and the Potteries.
And I agree that other ground has been gone over a trillion times and thanks for not going there.
Pat O' Banton
06/01/2005, 9:06 AM
Didn't realise you supported that lot as well.
In my post I was referring to your obvious devotion to those from North London and the Potteries.
And I agree that other ground has been gone over a trillion times and thanks for not going there.
Oh add in Donegal, Hamburg and Belfast as well!
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