Deal in touble? [Archive] - Page 2

anto1208

07/12/2004, 4:42 PM

id love a jersey thanks very much .is it free ?is it the new one ?

true i have missed a few games coming near the end of the season but did you see that rain !!!

id like to state i have no role at the club in any aspect i dont know what is actually going on as i have said before , what i post is just my opinion as i have stated before just the same as every one else here only has opinions not 100%of the facts , thats the point of these forum s if every one agreed it would be boring !. dont take thing so seriously

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 8:16 AM

id love a jersey thanks very much .is it free ?is it the new one ?

Yet more examples of trying to extort money from the club.... :D :D :D .

LFC in Exile

08/12/2004, 9:28 AM

This is inane.

I don't know who anto is - I don't care. The whole point of a forum like this is debate. I see Deise's point - I see Anto's point. There is no need to ban people from debate - if MOS himself wants to come on here and put his point of view across then that is great.

What is this hang up with identifying people etc. We should all be intelligent enough to make up out own minds on what we read and know that some views may be better (or more subjective) than others.

There is a lot of attacking of the poster rather that the post going which is more worrying than who is behind the name.

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 10:16 AM

There is a lot of attacking of the poster rather that the post going which is more worrying than who is behind the name.

Agree with you totally. However in this case, some exception could be taken by what appears an attempt by Michael O'Sullivan to get his side across by using a close relation of his to do his dirty work.

It is a cowardly act if this is the case, and one would hope that if Mr. O'Sullivan, or anyone else who wants to air views or opinions would do so themselves, and not hide behind others. I would personally welcome a situation where we could all constructively discuss our views, not snipe behind peoples backs as has been the case.

LFC in Exile

08/12/2004, 11:00 AM

Agree with you totally. However in this case, some exception could be taken by what appears an attempt by Michael O'Sullivan to get his side across by using a close relation of his to do his dirty work.

It is a cowardly act if this is the case, and one would hope that if Mr. O'Sullivan, or anyone else who wants to air views or opinions would do so themselves, and not hide behind others. I would personally welcome a situation where we could all constructively discuss our views, not snipe behind peoples backs as has been the case.

Why shouldn't we hear MOS's side? From anyone? Let him post if he wants to and say what he wants to - as long as its not libellous what's the problem? :ball:

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 11:23 AM

Why shouldn't we hear MOS's side? From anyone? Let him post if he wants to and say what he wants to - as long as its not libellous what's the problem? :ball:
As I was saying....let him post, but to do it himself...not hide behind others.

anto1208

08/12/2004, 12:32 PM

first of yet again ill say im not mos im not speaking on his behalf i have not been instructed to give any bodies story from any side this is just my opinion on the way i see things that i alone have constructed in my head !, ive been supporting limerick for around 15 or 16 years and i can honestly say that yesterday was the first time i ever felt unwelcome at this club . by only one or 2 ill admit . fair ennough if you dont agree with me thats fine you dont even have to like me but dont go snooping around tracing my ip address then trying to get me banned from the site .if you dont agree with me reply and we 'll have a discussion about it (you may even change my mind )

at least today some folks (lfc in exile thank you )can see the point of a forum like this, to have your say, i stated at the start that i was nt having a go at any one or directing any thing i said at any one person in paticular i was just voicing my opinions .but yet i was constantly attacked .

but i feel no matter what i do it will be met with suspision and constant aqusations.
but if ye must know where my info comes from it s coz i lived with one of the players this season , i wont say which one as to keep him out of it .

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 1:20 PM

Lads, this is gone beyond a joke. It's not important who any poster is. End of story. I don't care how anto1208 is linked to MOS, it's the same as JoeSoap being tied in with NOC and there's been no calls to censure his posts, even if some think that this affiliation colours his views at time. anto1208 is clearly a supporter of MOS but that in no way cheapens or demeans his opinion.

I'm not banning anto1208 because he's entitled to express an opinion but if there's one more post that has anything to do with anto's identity and not addressing the central theme of this thread 'the deal is in trouble' I'm going to lock this thread once and for all.

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 1:22 PM

As I was saying....let him post, but to do it himself...not hide behind others.

And why should he post himself? Does Noel O'Connor? Or does he have people guarding his corner as well? :rolleyes:

deise deserter

08/12/2004, 1:24 PM

Anto:

No-one thinks that you are not allowed your opinion. The real problem here is the reason (whether perceived or not) why you are giving this.

At the weekend MOS was complaining to a fan that he was being given a hard time on the boards. Less than 24 hours later a new prolific poster appears who really has no other function but to try to gloss over MOS's current actions.

There is another poster on this site who gives another figure involved with LFC a huge amount of undeserved PR. He has been taken down when he has talked cr@p simply to make his friend look good.

I have no problem with your identity. I do have a problem with someone who consciously ignores all facts that go against the case he wishes to make. This is one of the only message boards that has a high level of intelligent discourse. The last thing I want to be reading are uninformed fanboy-esque posts.

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 2:36 PM

it's the same as JoeSoap being tied in with NOC and there's been no calls to censure his posts, even if some think that this affiliation colours his views at time.

Well....I am shocked....appalled even! I don't even buy my meat from the man, let alone have my affiliations coloured by him from time to time....I'm hurt, and offended, and taking my ball and going home !!! :D :D

I think that my posts generally don't get called for censure because they are accurate, informative, intelligent, marvellous, fantastic, insightful and a lot of the time, the only ones on this thing. :D :D

Point taken SLK, but I do believe that anyone who tries to support and justify the actions of Michael O'Sullivan et al on this forum deserves to get shot down by the likes of Gael and Deise and any other fan. It is a fans forum after all, and theres no two ways about it, Michael O'Sullivan has landed us in a lot of hot water, and now seeks to make personal profit from a new gift horse....if NOC or anyone else behaved in the same way, I'd expect the same abuse levels.

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 2:45 PM

Well....I am shocked....appalled even! I don't even buy my meat from the man, let alone have my affiliations coloured by him from time to time....I'm hurt, and offended, and taking my ball and going home !!! :D :D

I think that my posts generally don't get called for censure because they are accurate, informative, intelligent, marvellous, fantastic, insightful and a lot of the time, the only ones on this thing. :D :D

Don't go home Joe, I like your posts. Even when I don't agree with them. ;)

Point taken SLK, but I do believe that anyone who tries to support and justify the actions of Michael O'Sullivan et al on this forum deserves to get shot down by the likes of Gael and Deise and any other fan. It is a fans forum after all, and theres no two ways about it, Michael O'Sullivan has landed us in a lot of hot water, and now seeks to make personal profit from a new gift horse....if NOC or anyone else behaved in the same way, I'd expect the same abuse levels.

I don't mind criticism of MOS Joe but criticism of a poster simply because they hold a different viewpoint is out of order. The rule of thumb here is 'Attack the Post, not the poster' and some people have forgotten this in their haste to 'unmask' people. Some people (not you) have even spilled over into other threads with similar crap. I certainly don't want to lock this thread because there's a lotof information there but unless it gets back on topic pretty sharpish I'll have no choice.

anto1208

08/12/2004, 3:14 PM

think ill just leave this one before i get lynched !!! stick to talking about the team from now on but i have nt just appeared a few days ago i was registered back in august or september , i came across this site before i went to ireland france coz there was a topic about my mate on here that we found funny .

i also oviously was nt aware of all that has been going on coz i dont get told the same as ye ,all i noticed was the cup and the play off s for a young team with no money was a good acheivement and now its time to move onwards and upwards , and i will be moving on from this topic coz ive a pain in my hands from type'n !!!

jebus

08/12/2004, 3:14 PM

Trying to appease SLK and getting back on topic, its now the 8th of December, has there been anymore news on whether the deal has gone /will go through or not?

deise deserter

08/12/2004, 3:18 PM

Well anyone who wants to know the latest can pm either JohnD Gael353 or myself.

anto1208

08/12/2004, 3:18 PM

i feel in my opinion that it is going through ok but that these things can take time !!

deise deserter

08/12/2004, 3:22 PM

Agreed. And if anyone could push the parties along to finishing this off we'd all be much happier imho! :p

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 3:24 PM

Well anyone who wants to know the latest can pm either JohnD Trev or myself.

And then they'll give you the totally unbiased version being churned out to them by the incoming owners who are totally beyond question or reproach for some reason. The same owners who have neglected to mention the name on the newly signed lease for Hogan Park as some might view it as a bit innappropriate given the rumoured appointment of our new manager...

deise deserter

08/12/2004, 3:31 PM

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 3:40 PM

And then they'll give you the totally unbiased version being churned out to them by the incoming owners who are totally beyond question or reproach for some reason. The same owners who have neglected to mention the name on the newly signed lease for Hogan Park as some might view it as a bit innappropriate given the rumoured appointment of our new manager...
Think you might find that the problems concerning the 'newly signed lease' as you so put it SLK are issues concerning the trustees of the ground, and the rules written into that trust. This has got nothing to do with any individual/s, but its a legal matter that needs ironing out.I fail to see the link between this and the rumoured appointment of our new manager who is supposed to be able to sway my every post...maybe you'll explain.

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 3:41 PM

SLK: Stay on topic for christ's sake!!!! :mad:

I've already slagged another member about this in another thread. Simply because we have the experience that MOS is untrustworthy, I do not give the other side my complete trust. I'm sure there is an element of spin on both sides, but MOS is the boy who cried wolf. If you lie continuously to fans don't expect them to believe a word. I don't 100% believe the other side either but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt or in other words enough rope to hang themselves with.

Well as the lease holder is a central part of the deal going through I feel that your emoticon there in highly inappropriate. But that's ok. ;)

As for your point about giving the new board the benefit of the doubt I think it could easily be argued that they've already betrayed this. Just to give two examples.

1. I know it was 'ages ago' and that it didn't go through but let's not forget that they did try to have a supporter banned from the ground. The fact is that if JohnD and others hadn't spoken up on behalf of this supporter they would have pressed ahead with this ridiculous scheme. A scheme that in my opinion, is near fascist.

2. I'm just gonna throw out a random scenario here. Would anybody question the suitability of a person being club manager, a member of the club's operating body and the signatory on the lease for the club's ground? Let's just carry this fictitious scene a wee bit further on. If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)

I sincerely hope that this deal goes through, I can't stress enough that I think it will be beneficial to the club but the perception that we're replacing a shower of untrustworthy, incompetent devils with a choir of lovable, trustworthy angels is at least 50% incorrect and it demeans the intelligence of everybody involved to present things as such. The new people are bringing an abundance of resources and ambition but I suspect that the level of moral behaviour will not be rising one hundredfold.

sadloserkid

08/12/2004, 3:44 PM

...maybe you'll explain.

Gladly Joe. Rumour has it that Noel O'Connor is going to be appointed Limerick's manager. Rumour also has it that his is the name on the lease for Hogan Park. Perhaps you can confirm or deny either or both of these stories?

If they're both true it's vastly inappropriate.

deise deserter

08/12/2004, 3:45 PM

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 3:54 PM

Well as the lease holder is a central part of the deal going through I feel that your emoticon there in highly inappropriate. But that's ok. ;)
I presume that you are fully knowledgeable as to who's signing what, then?? :rolleyes:

As for your point about giving the new board the benefit of the doubt I think it could easily be argued that they've already betrayed this. Just to give two examples.

2. I'm just gonna throw out a random scenario here. Would anybody question the suitability of a person being club manager, a member of the club's operating body and the signatory on the lease for the club's ground? Let's just carry this fictitious scene a wee bit further on. If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)
I think you are letting your imagination run away with you a little bit here.You are forgetting the vast amounts of money, time and investment that are being put into this by the new set-up.You seem to compare all of this with a Stalin like coup, with dictators overthrowing peasant do-gooders, when in fact it is simply some hard faced successful busisnessmen coming in to exploit an opportunity that the club, players, fans and city will benefit from. If they fail, which they might, I can't see them standing in the way of someone who can do it better.It's called BUSINESS ...ON AND OFF THE FIELD.

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 3:59 PM

Joesoap: Poor post. Unless a the non-corporeal body called "Limerick FC" has magically put it's name on paper, this does concern individuals. Surely the trustees/lease holders are individuals who must sign.

It is an issue about individuals, namely NOC. Everyone knew the writing was on the wall for his return for the past few months. The fact he is so tied into the mechanics of the club is worrying, and does give SLK more than adequate reason to express concern.
Do you even know when the trust for Hogan Park was written up....or who the trustees of the ground actually are??? Or what the rules of that said trust state? I doubt you do, and if you did you might understand why it is a legal issue.

joeSoap

08/12/2004, 4:03 PM

Gladly Joe. Rumour has it that Noel O'Connor is going to be appointed Limerick's manager. Rumour also has it that his is the name on the lease for Hogan Park. Perhaps you can confirm or deny either or both of these stories?

If they're both true it's vastly inappropriate.

Oxford Dfeinition of Rumour:

1. A piece of news or information which is passed from person to person and which may or may not be true.

Thesaurus: tale, report, insinuation.
2. General talk or gossip; hearsay.

Thesaurus: hearsay, gossip, insinuation, news, tidings, intelligence, the grapevine.

Deal in facts, not rumours. It always is much safer and stops people putting their foot in their mouths.

4tothefloor

08/12/2004, 5:17 PM

If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)

I expressed this ages ago in another thread. I think NOC being manager is a conflict of interests, I've said it all along, and i'll continue to say it. It's going to lead to more fighting and problems down the line, unless of course he is highly successful and we're up in no time....

joeSoap

09/12/2004, 8:54 AM

Don't know how well any of ye know Noel, but I can guarantee you that if there isn't success on the pitch within the timeframe he gives, he'll go. Might I suggest that any of you who have all of these 'concerns' regarding someone who is helping drag this club out of the mire and in to the present day, simply call to Pat O'Connor Butchers, 41 William Street, Limerick, and express these concerns with the proprietor. He never shies away from fans, and I'm sure he'll only be too keen to answer all of your enquiries...

JohnD

09/12/2004, 11:20 AM

Comrades an Fellow members of the Proletariat:

Can we all stop this pointless ranting. I feel that it has gone way off topic. Some of the Contributers are not being objective and are letting Personal issues with People cloud their Judgement.

For Gods Sake do ye want to stay in Div:1 with no Hope? As for "Stalinist Coup" Well I am all for a bit of Socialism me :) Onwards and Upwards with Foot Soldiers of The Blue Army

Flying high above the Sky..lets keep the red Flag flyiing high!!!!

Comrade JohnD

sadloserkid

09/12/2004, 12:35 PM

Deal in facts, not rumours. It always is much safer and stops people putting their foot in their mouths.

Or in simple English you're unwilling to confirm the above right? :rolleyes:

I'm asking you to clarify the concern that at least one other poster here has also identified. Are you willing to do this for me? I suspect that out of all the waffle posted here you and anto1208 are the most informed posters on the whole situation so share the wisdom. If you want rumours quashed prove it, give us some facts.

How much does MOS want is another question that anto1208 put out there that nobody answered. Can you answer it for us?

And lastly, Stalin wasn't a facist! ;)

joeSoap

09/12/2004, 1:02 PM

Or in simple English you're unwilling to confirm the above right? :rolleyes:

I'm asking you to clarify the concern that at least one other poster here has also identified. Are you willing to do this for me? If you want rumours quashed prove it, give us some facts.

How much does MOS want is another question that anto1208 put out there that nobody answered. Can you answer it for us?

And lastly, Stalin wasn't a facist! ;)

I never said anything about Stalin being a facist..... :D :confused:

I'm not prepared to discuss anything here until I'm in full possession of all the facts, and that it will be safe for those facts to become public knowledge.One such fact though is that Father Joe Young has had a huge say in who does what in Hogan Park, and if it wasn't for a certain individual forging a close relationship with him, then the deal would never have gone through. Fr. Joe had a big say in who's name went on that lease, and held all the aces in this case.

I have no idea whatsoever as to what Michael O'Sullivans compensation, or 'rendundancy' payment request was.Nor do I care, the fact that anything at all was sought is insulting enough in my book.

sadloserkid

09/12/2004, 1:04 PM

Thank you Joe. Now you and I can be friends again! :)

joeSoap

09/12/2004, 1:15 PM

sadloserkid

09/12/2004, 1:22 PM

Hopefully this might clarify to you, if you read between the lines, as to why a 'certain individual' has to become so involved in other facets of the club, and has the best interests of the club at heart.

I've never intentionally questioned the interests, just the suitability of the alleged, proposed structures. I'm aware that much of it is innuendo and speculation but I haven't got much else to go on really so I'm making the most of what I hear.

I can only stress again that I dearly hope the deal goes through because I know it will benefit the club. However I would feel like I was letting down both the club and myself by not expressing any reservations I may feel. I can play the patsy as well as anybody and if that's really what the new administration wants from their support just let me know. However I would imagine that an interested, intelligent and honest group of fans would be much preferable at any time surely?

jimhacker

09/12/2004, 3:24 PM

Stalin not a fascist?????????

Well well.

anto1208

09/12/2004, 4:54 PM

[QUOTE=joeSoap]

One such fact though is that Father Joe Young has had a huge say in who does what in Hogan Park, and if it wasn't for a certain individual forging a close relationship with him, then the deal would never have gone through. Fr. Joe had a big say in who's name went on that lease, and held all the aces in this case.

this is just a question so please dont have a go at me but i thought fr joe was in america now and that the hogan park was owned by mr hogan an american who purchased it with fr joes advice for the people of limerick? ,

last year i heard some people had tried to get the area rezoned for development . but this fell through and now hogan has decided to sell back to lfc as this is the best option .also heard fr joe told lfc they had a 25 year lease on the pitch but this later turned out to be untrue ??

to slk: im not all that well informed i dont have a secret link to the club i just know a few of the players etc plus ive been around lfc for 15 years i was there when big sam was boss ,noel king ,dave o connell ,through fr joe's time , i was there when mos was made chairman by the commity at the time and not self appointed ( how you can self appoint yourself chairman i cant under stand if that was the case id be self appointing myself chairman of real madrid in the morning :D :D )and ill be there while the new guys take over too just the same as allways .
just keep my ear to the ground and listen to both sides of every arguement this way you can gain a good perspective on the club and not let rumours cloud your judge ment one way or the other which i feel has happened a few people here !!.

ive no idea how much mos wants if any ,others on here claim he is looking for money maybe they can answer your question better than i .

anto1208

13/12/2004, 12:04 PM

no replys folks thought ye had all the answers !!!! :D :D :D

Clones Road Cas

13/12/2004, 12:28 PM

sadloserkid

14/12/2004, 1:58 PM

In the midst of all of this stalin has been accorded the status of a non facist. this raises the unanswered question as to whether communists could be facists. Given limericks socialist leanings i would have thought the tryth would come from there.

The purges and pogroms, the gulags. I suppose if stalin isnt a facist then bertie must be a socialist.

:D :D :D

CRC

While this is massively off-topic (I'm chastising myself as I type) I'm gonna give my thoughts on this.

Fascist = extreme right wing nut job
Communist = extreme left wing nut job