Mathews walks from Bray

[Ezeikial]

That is a crock of patronising sh1t

[SkStu]

Its reads kind of like the worst professional bio ever written.

[littlebray]

"To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."

[The Fox]

This is just depressing. Who is picking the team tomorrow - the physio or do we still have her? the chairman?
I don't think that things seemed as bleak when we were bottom of the 1st division 25 years ago.

[Mr A]

McGettigan's deal dead? https://twitter.com/OCowzer/status/596436869405089794

[outspoken]

McGettigan's deal dead? https://twitter.com/OCowzer/status/596436869405089794

David Cassidy picking the team tommorrow? I hate the way you have to be subscribed to the sun to see the full story. Anyone got a screen grab of the full thing?

[colonelwest]

Aidan McNelis ‏@aidanmcnelis (https://twitter.com/aidanmcnelis) 14h14 hours ago (https://twitter.com/aidanmcnelis/status/596439906622275584)
@OCowzer (https://twitter.com/OCowzer) McGettigan's deal definitely off Owen? Worrying times for Bray if true. In fairness it's worrying times either way!
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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/416688849889558528/VlT6E2Ka_bigger.jpeg Owen Cowzer ‏@OCowzer (https://twitter.com/OCowzer) 13h13 hours ago (https://twitter.com/OCowzer/status/596446661116874754)
@aidanmcnelis (https://twitter.com/aidanmcnelis) As far as club are concerned. Whether that changes though...never known a straightforward sale of a club.

[The Fox]

I cannot see this being good PR If they pull out of the takeover. There would be a lot of bad will and press in the town if the club folds.

This may well be stunt to get the last shareholder to sell their shares.

This is all disappointing ahead of a crucial match against a relegation rival.

[Longfordian]

I saw speculation elsewhere that the shareholder who is holding out is doing so to ensure that those ex players and staff who are owed money by Bray get paid. I've no idea if that is the case. McGettigans presumably would not be willing to do that which they're perfectly entitled to do. The consequences would seem to be too serious for a compromise not to be reached at some point.

[Charlie Darwin]

I saw speculation elsewhere that the shareholder who is holding out is doing so to ensure that those ex players and staff who are owed money by Bray get paid. I've no idea if that is the case. McGettigans presumably would not be willing to do that which they're perfectly entitled to do..
Well if they bought the club they wouldn't be entitled to, provided the players have contracts.

[Longfordian]

Well I'm assuming all monies owed to ex players and ex staff under their contracts at the time are either discharged or the subject of an agreement otherwise they couldn't have got a licence from the completely independent licensing committee!

They'd have to honour the agreements alright on a serious note but I doubt that's the issue based on the Quigley situation.

[dublinwanderer]

The Club seems to be in big trouble. Heard myself that the McGettigans have pulled out for a number of reasons.

The current people in charge are not doing themselves any favours, turning loyal supporters and volunteers away from the club, failing to appoint a manager and now the main sponsors are pulling out... Things are going from bad to worse! All the talk about things changing for the better, its hard to see this happening now. They made too many changes to quick and not all with the good of the club coming first!!

Will be interesting to see what happens on and off the pitch in the coming days/weeks!!!

[Bray Head]

I saw speculation elsewhere that the shareholder who is holding out is doing so to ensure that those ex players and staff who are owed money by Bray get paid. I've no idea if that is the case. McGettigans presumably would not be willing to do that which they're perfectly entitled to do. The consequences would seem to be too serious for a compromise not to be reached at some point.

Any money due from previous seasons would be the responsibility of the shareholders who are the current owners. Can't really expect the new owners to honour old debts. From what I heard all players were paid what was in their contracts. Seems some of them had verbal agreements for other payments which seem to be what's in dispute.

[gufcfan]

Welp... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk)

So who's picking the team tonight then?

[Longfordian]

Any money due from previous seasons would be the responsibility of the shareholders who are the current owners. Can't really expect the new owners to honour old debts. From what I heard all players were paid what was in their contracts. Seems some of them had verbal agreements for other payments which seem to be what's in dispute.

If you buy the shares in the company you buy the debts as well. But as you say and as I said above the money the players say they're owed probably isn't in the accounts anywhere.

[Seagull]

Welp... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk)

So who's picking the team tonight then?
Word was that it would be Cassidy and, em, the Chairman. http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/drogheda-united-v-bray-wanderers-5661144 Further rumour that a new manager is in place and will be announced after tonight's game.

[The Fox]

What really annoys me the most is the attitude of one or two ex-players who are continuously whinging on twitter about money that is owed to them or their mates and they compound it with smugness about the demise of the club. They don't seem to get the fact that a lot of people are disappointed about the current situation as the club was a community and social outlet for people and their comments and attitudes cause offence. The people in question were taken in by Bray when no one else wanted them (lets be honest if anyone else would have them they would have gone there!). If they have been so badly treated they should take their cases to court or else shut up about it. Lots of people in Ireland are owed money after the crash and most let go and get on with their life. It will be to those players great shame if the club folds.

[Nesta99]

take their cases to court or else shut up about it.

Foot.ie knows nothing!!!

[Longfordian]

Croly in on a thee year deal is the latest story in the paper though he says nothing has been agreed. Press conference on Monday apparently. Why on earth you'd give him that long a deal is another story.

[Seagull]

What really annoys me the most is the attitude of one or two ex-players who are continuously whinging on twitter about money that is owed to them or their mates and they compound it with smugness about the demise of the club. They don't seem to get the fact that a lot of people are disappointed about the current situation as the club was a community and social outlet for people and their comments and attitudes cause offence. The people in question were taken in by Bray when no one else wanted them (lets be honest if anyone else would have them they would have gone there!). If they have been so badly treated they should take their cases to court or else shut up about it. Lots of people in Ireland are owed money after the crash and most let go and get on with their life. It will be to those players great shame if the club folds.
I don't think that's fair- if they're owed money can you blame them for fighting for it? I don't think there's any smugness about the demise of the club as you say. People simply can't believe how bad it's gotten and I think the bitterness against the club is very deep and very, very damaging. It's easy to say go to court and that seems the obvious way to do things but surely that costs money, to hire solicitors etc? If the club folds the blame won't lie with ex-players who pointed out that they were owed money.

[total hoofball]

What really annoys me the most is the attitude of one or two ex-players who are continuously whinging on twitter about money that is owed to them or their mates and they compound it with smugness about the demise of the club. They don't seem to get the fact that a lot of people are disappointed about the current situation as the club was a community and social outlet for people and their comments and attitudes cause offence. The people in question were taken in by Bray when no one else wanted them (lets be honest if anyone else would have them they would have gone there!). If they have been so badly treated they should take their cases to court or else shut up about it. Lots of people in Ireland are owed money after the crash and most let go and get on with their life. It will be to those players great shame if the club folds.
No wonder some ex-Bray players are smug about the self-inflicted demise of Bray when reading crap like this.

Your club agreed to pay players, reneged and denied it and still functioning as an entity spending money elsewhere - they've have every right to be whinging, moaning, cribbing and pointing out how disgracefully they are been treated by Bray Wanderers. You'll know how they feel about it the day you're employer screws you over which has obviously never happened to yourself. Ooooooh but no one else would have paid them... well you's signed them up and go and take responsibility for it - go and pay the players what they are owed, oh but wait, you were paying them in cash? 1) illegal & 2) cheating - Bray Wanderers can't admit that can we!? No wonder your club is the shambolic state it is when your board members feel they are getting off the hook by listening to some fans blaming it's victims for your club's own self-inflicted demise.

[count cambi]

No wonder some ex-Bray players are smug about the self-inflicted demise of Bray when reading crap like this.

Your club agreed to pay players, reneged and denied it and still functioning as an entity spending money elsewhere - they've have every right to be whinging, moaning, cribbing and pointing out how disgracefully they are been treated by Bray Wanderers. You'll know how they feel about it the day you're employer screws you over which has obviously never happened to yourself. Ooooooh but no one else would have paid them... well you's signed them up and go and take responsibility for it - go and pay the players what they are owed, oh but wait, you were paying them in cash? 1) illegal & 2) cheating - Bray Wanderers can't admit that can we!? No wonder your club is the shambolic state it is when your board members feel they are getting off the hook by listening to some fans blaming it's victims for your club's own self-inflicted demise.

Safe to say this is one of the ex players spoken about in a previous post, if you make deals for dodgy payments with dodgy people sometimes you get burned, simple.

[The Fox]

Getting caught signing or verbally agreeing double contracts once might be considered unlucky, but to apparently get caught out a second time would be downright careless.
And I stand over their smugness - their twitter accounts have been full of it for a year now.

Plenty of players have been caught out financially over the years from many different clubs and I haven't heard them cribbing nearly as much. Neil Horgans book is well worth a look on this subject. I am sure we can all think of problems like this at many different clubs over the last 10 years - quite a few have been reinvented in that time as a result of their debts. If the club folds nobody will get paid - including a current squad of 20 players - there is a bigger picture.

From what I have heard, the ex-players getting paid is the pivotal thing as to why the takeover might not go through. One shareholder doesn't want to sell until they are all paid and the person buying doesn't want to take on these debts. I can understand both sides approach, but if the standoff continues we may well fold and everybody loses. Twitter is no place to sort out these issues.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Fair point but a Mexican stand off is of nobody's interest. And at the end of the day the biggest loser is the supporter. To say though that everyone does it and that makes it OK then that is a fallacy. In my eyes is cheating and if it happened last season then either of UCD or Athlone were cheated out of a premier league place. The season before that Longford or shels were cheated. Go back another year it was Waterford.

[sullanefc]

Safe to say this is one of the ex players spoken about in a previous post, if you make deals for dodgy payments with dodgy people sometimes you get burned, simple.
This. If you dance with the devil etc. The PFAI aren't doing anything with good reason.

But Bray are in the wrong too if the cash payments allegations are true. Why haven't the FAI sanctioned Bray for this? Lack of evidence? Why don't the players provide them with statements? Maybe the players won't do this because it would firmly shut the door on them getting paid? If this is the case, then Bray have played a blinder in stringing the players along in a bid to avoid punishment.

[Joe Strummer]

This. If you dance with the devil etc. The PFAI aren't doing anything with good reason.
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The PFAI aren't doing anything be cause he is not a member simple as that.

[Mr A]

Croly confirmed, 3 year deal, Gill as assistant: http://www.bwfc.ie/croly-announced-as-bray-manager/

Edit: This was in wrong thread earlier: McGettigan's seeking legal advise: https://soundcloud.com/darren-quigley-1/recording1-mp3

[Dodge]

The PFAI aren't doing anything be cause he is not a member simple as that.

Are other players owed money? There has been hints that there are

[outspoken]

Are other players owed money? There has been hints that there are

A current town player was mentioned on Facebook as being also owed money by bray, be interesting to know if he is a member and if those claims are true

[Joe Strummer]

Are other players owed money? There has been hints that there are

No idea if others are owed money. I just know Darren is not a member of the union as i asked him.

[SkStu]

They should just try and wind the club up.

[Mr A]

Denis O'Connor on RTE: https://soundcloud.com/rtesport/bray-wanderers-chairman-denis-oconnor

[Mr A]

McGettigan's statement:

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[Nesta99]

No idea if others are owed money. I just know Darren is not a member of the union as i asked him.

Why doesn't he just join the 'union' now and avail of their support?

[Joe Strummer]

No idea. But as he no longer plays in the league the union probably would not let him join. Also I cant see the union backing him up for something that happened while he was not a member.

[Charlie Darwin]

The PFAI isn't a union so I'm sure they could let him join if they wanted to. I'd imagine they don't want to get involved in any discussions over the widespread practice of undeclared contracts as it could bring greater scrutiny on their members' own deals.

[The Fox]

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/14240/oconnor-hopes-to-see-uncertainty-resolved-in-the-near-future/

So who owns the club? I am getting really confused now!
My understanding from reliable source was that O'Connors now held 40% of the shares, McGettigans had acquired 48% (but not an overall majority) and 12% was still held by original directors - my guess was Pat Devlin, but it was only a guess. So I thought that the 12% was the issue.

Reading this article suggests I am totally wrong - it suggests that McGettigans own none yet? So who are they buying out?

Where did Dennis O'Connor come from and whose shares has he now bought and indeed why has he bought them?
I can understand why McGettigans looking to come on board as they have a prominent business in the town and there is advertising and local good will to be gained. But who are the O'Connors and why would they want to get involved.

There was a comedy fundraiser supposed to be in the Royal a few weeks ago - was in pulled because of tensions at board level. The press conference was not in the Royal, despite previous conferences being there. The club shop is supposed to be there?

[Mr A]

Dennis O Connor on East Coast FM: https://soundcloud.com/darren-quigley-1/recording2-mp3

Very interesting piece.

There is a Denis O'Connor mentioned here: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dispute-between-lowry-and-accountant-an-intriguing-coda-to-moriarty-tribunal-1.1743741

And here: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/another-stinging-attack-on-tribunal-149478.html

Does anyone know for sure it's 100% the same guy?

[tippex]

There needs to be a serious concerted response to everything that is going on behind the scenes.
There is no way anyone from the outside can say who to believe and if it is not sorted soon the level of goodwill the club has will be gone 100%.

Every issue needs to be clearly answered (good or bad)

[Bray Head]

Dennis O Connor on East Coast FM: https://soundcloud.com/darren-quigley-1/recording2-mp3

Very interesting piece.

There is a Denis O'Connor mentioned here: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dispute-between-lowry-and-accountant-an-intriguing-coda-to-moriarty-tribunal-1.1743741

And here: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/another-stinging-attack-on-tribunal-149478.html

Does anyone know for sure it's 100% the same guy?

Yes, same person

[Jofspring]

I'm miles behind on this lads but are McGettigans the same as the McGettigans Pubs?

[nigel-harps1954]

I'm miles behind on this lads but are McGettigans the same as the McGettigans Pubs?

That's the ones. Pubs in a number of locations in Ireland, hotels and pubs in Singapore, Dubai and a few other places, main sponsor to Harps and (attempted) owners of Bray.

[Nesta99]

So no conflict of interest then...maybe they want to make sure Bray are finally relegated so that Harps have the best chance for promotion which would be impossible against a 'normal' Bray!

[Jofspring]

That's the ones. Pubs in a number of locations in Ireland, hotels and pubs in Singapore, Dubai and a few other places, main sponsor to Harps and (attempted) owners of Bray.

Ya they are in Limerick too. They actually tried to sponsor us last season but supposedly the club turned them down cause they wanted more money. Crazy stuff. If they aren't taking over bray they may look to us with Pat slowly stepping aside.

[outspoken]

Only got round to listening to the interview with the bray chairman there. The whole situation is extremely confusing. Who's this new investor he claims to have lined up and why has he waited until now to get involved?