Republic of Ireland V England - Sunday 7th June 2015 - Friendly [Archive] - Page 2

jbyrne

05/03/2015, 7:43 AM

back of the net

05/03/2015, 8:51 PM

2 years ago the wembley friendly had an evening ko with not even the slightest hint of trouble. in fact the atmosphere was great and I found it a great occasion. the english FA posting a great tribute to the recently passed away tony grealish up on the big screen being one example of the friendly atmosphere in the ground. there isnt the slightest chance of trouble for the return fixture yet we have to suffer a 1pm sunday ko. complete and utter over reaction by the authorities

Was at the wembley game myself and i completely agree with you....it was excellently respected by both sets of fans.

Think though the more Scum element of that section of their "fans" tends to come out at their away games though ...unfortunately , but hopefully not here in June

tetsujin1979

05/03/2015, 10:16 PM

back of the net

05/03/2015, 10:29 PM

Have to disagree slightly with both of you. Was at the game too, but we were in the mixed section, both Irish and English fans. Once Long scored, the stewards grabbed all of us and brought us around to the Irish fans section.
They said they'd seen no trouble, but they weren't taking any chances

Was in the Irish Section myself - so maybe I was not in the best position to see any "potential" trouble that may have occurred

But surely in the above case , thats more a case of over zealous Stewards rather than there been any trouble in your section?

Before ye were moved was there something brewing between opposition fans in the section ye were in?

tetsujin1979

05/03/2015, 11:17 PM

Was in the Irish Section myself - so maybe I was not in the best position to see any "potential" trouble that may have occurred

But surely in the above case , thats more a case of over zealous Stewards rather than there been any trouble in your section?

Before ye were moved was there something brewing between opposition fans in the section ye were in?A little. There was another group of Irish fans about three rows in front of us that had to call a steward to move some English fans who were in their seats just before kick off. The steward hadn't gone too far when Long scored, and he called them out of their seats straight away. We got his attention and he took us over to the Irish section as well.

CraftyToePoke

06/03/2015, 12:31 AM

A little. There was another group of Irish fans about three rows in front of us that had to call a steward to move some English fans who were in their seats just before kick off. The steward hadn't gone too far when Long scored, and he called them out of their seats straight away. We got his attention and he took us over to the Irish section as well.

Were they refusing to move seats initially ? The England fans in those seats.
And did you feel unsafe at any point in this ?

DannyInvincible

06/03/2015, 2:13 AM

jbyrne

06/03/2015, 7:03 AM

A little. There was another group of Irish fans about three rows in front of us that had to call a steward to move some English fans who were in their seats just before kick off.

sure that sitting in others seats lark happens with our lot all the time. theres a lad on YBIG who seems to get some kind of buzz off doing so all the time and posts about it regularly

Charlie Darwin

06/03/2015, 12:25 PM

sure that sitting in others seats lark happens with our lot all the time. theres a lad on YBIG who seems to get some kind of buzz off doing so all the time and posts about it regularly
He sounds like great craic.

tetsujin1979

06/03/2015, 1:13 PM

Were they refusing to move seats initially ? The England fans in those seats.
And did you feel unsafe at any point in this ?
Yes, it was just before kick off when the other Irish fans came along, the English fans wouldn't get out of their seats, so the steward was called and he moved them
didn't feel unsafe, but the England fans behind us had some words about my reaction when Long scored. Nothing intimidating, more along the lines of "alright mate, calm down". That was pretty much the time the steward called the other Irish fans out of their seats and we got his attention

DeLorean

06/03/2015, 1:18 PM

the England fans behind us had some words about my reaction when Long scored. Nothing intimidating, more along the lines of "alright mate, calm down"

He obviously didn't know it was our cup final.

KK77

06/03/2015, 1:22 PM

Probably just a case of stewards being overly careful and attentive of health and safety precautions. It'll be there in the terms and conditions of entry into a stadium for any game like that that the stewards have the right to demand away supporters found in the home section to leave the stadium. Count yourself lucky you were only moved to the Irish section! :p

Yes have to agree. All it takes is one and it can kick off. A bit surprised they took a chance on having a mixed section to be honest. I know at club level Fulham have one well they did the last time I was there.

DeLorean

09/03/2015, 1:00 PM

England's friendly with Ireland in Dublin is a needless mistake (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2985646/England-s-friendly-Ireland-Dublin-needless-mistake.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Charlie Darwin

09/03/2015, 1:05 PM

Good grief, the English media are really on their high horse about this minor pitch invasion last week.

Stuttgart88

09/03/2015, 3:03 PM

I turned on the telly and it looked to me to be a spontaneous outpouring of joy from Villa fans, just like a team avoiding relegation on the last day. So, a few morons went overboard but was it really worse than that? I haven't paid much attention to the incident so maybe it was.

Charlie Darwin

09/03/2015, 3:10 PM

Some WBA fans had ripped up chairs and tried to throw them on the pitch so I'm sure some of the Villa fans were looking for a fight. Still, nothing happened. All this talk about scenes from the 1980s is pathetic.

BonnieShels

09/03/2015, 6:22 PM

Does Martin Samuel not remember who initiated and sustained the 1995 riot?

Yeah, trips to Dublin have been awash with scenes of crowd trouble forever.

The Mail will be the first paper to continuously highlight the 95 riots though in the lead up.

DeLorean

09/03/2015, 9:53 PM

I heard there was a very bad vibe around Dublin the day of the 1990 Euro qualifier also, can any of our golden oldies confirm or deny this?

samhaydenjr

10/03/2015, 2:51 AM

I heard there was a very bad vibe around Dublin the day of the 1990 Euro qualifier also, can any of our golden oldies confirm or deny this?

Yeah, I had a memory of news footage of "fans" charging each on O'Connell Street but I went to check and, sure enough, "Over 100 people were arrested as England and Ireland fans clashed in Dublin after the game" (http://www.independent.ie/sport/video-five-memorable-meetings-between-ireland-and-england-29303997.html)

BTW, thanks for the Golden Oldies comment - I thought I was still in the prime of my life, now I realise I'm actually decaying rapidly and moving inexorably towards a hole in the ground - now if I could just get those damn kids to turn down their "music"!

DeLorean

10/03/2015, 8:52 AM

In fairness, I'm old enough to remember the game pretty well myself. Wouldn't have been attending games at that point though.

Bungle

10/03/2015, 11:58 AM

There was a very bad vibe in the city that day - if I remember there was an IRA prisoner released on the day of the game so that added to the tension. The Gardai were taking no messing from the English fans and there were stories of them being picked up, beaten up in the Garda vans and dropped off in Fatima Mansions, Dolphin House, Sheriff Street and O'Devanney Gardens etc for the local welcoming committee to meet and greet them. I recall pitch battles the night before the game and on the morning of the game - I was living in England at the time and I was back for the game so I wasn't in work. I think an English fan got stabbed to death as well.

The return game in Wembley was pure evil. There were literally mobs of English hooligans descending on Kilburn and Crickelwood and hundreds of Irish builders and the local London Irish population fighting with them. The pub we were drinking in was attacked. I ended up a few years ago talking to what I though was a pretty decent fella from Bristol at a bar in Spain who then proceeded to tell me that in all his years supporting Bristol Rovers and England, there was nothing that compared to him having it out with the Irish in Kilburn - he reckoned it was the best fighting he has ever seen, as the Irish were well up for it and would never run. He seemed to think I'd be delighted, but I finished my beer pretty quickly.

It's all very pathetic. Could it happen again? Persoanlly, I can't see the trouble coming from the English, unless they somehow get in through the North - the British police will be monitoring their hooligans very closely in the run up to the game. Their support back then was probably 60-70% football hooligan if not higher, whereas now the English fans have a well deserved reputation for good support. Unfortunately, I could see an element of Irish who will look to fight with the English fans. This element is very different to our usual support.

TheOneWhoKnocks

10/03/2015, 2:41 PM

Bungle

11/03/2015, 1:51 PM

IDK where you are getting that idea Bungle.

The Irish fans are very passive. Look how well behaved they were at the home game with Northern Ireland.

TBH I wouldn't mind if we had more Ivan Bogdanov's in our home support to try and create a better atmosphere.

There will be lots of non-football fans around the place who would jump at the chance to fight with the English. It's more a societal problem that impacts on football. Once, the English bring a very small number of trouble seeking knobheads which I expect they will, then I don't see it being an issue in the city. In 90' and 95', there was mobs of English hooligans running amok. The English police won't allow that to happen this time. Having said that, this isn't Georgia at home, there is always the risk there could be trouble when Ireland play England.

TheOneWhoKnocks

27/03/2015, 10:38 PM

DannyInvincible

02/04/2015, 11:59 AM

Ridiculously alarmist headline from the Irish Independent's online team after some anti-IRA chanting is heard from an unknown number of England supporters at the Italy-England game: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fears-grow-ahead-of-aviva-clash-after-england-fans-chant-antiira-songs-again-31111250.html

Fears grow ahead of Aviva clash after England fans chant anti-IRA songs again

England fans sang anti-IRA songs during Tuesday's friendly in Italy despite efforts from the Football Association to stamp the chants out in the wake of last year's match in Scotland.

England fans caused controversy last November when they chanted "F*** the IRA" during the 3-1 victory at Celtic Park.

Even though the FA liaised with fan groups after the Scotland game to try to prevent such chants happening again, they were heard during England's 1-1 draw at the Juventus Stadium in Turin on Tuesday.

Any repeat during England's next match against the Republic of Ireland in Dublin on June 7 would lead to yet more criticism.

After the win in Scotland, the FA made it clear it was unhappy about the chants.

As FA spokesman said following the match in Glasgow: "We apologise for any offence caused by a section of the England support at the match with Scotland. The FA does not condone inappropriate and offensive chanting and intends to meet with supporters' groups to discuss the wider issues.

"We have consistently urged supporters to show respect and not to chant songs that could be regarded as insulting to others - particularly from a religious or political perspective."

GypsyBlackCat

02/04/2015, 1:06 PM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/english-newspaper-says-irish-team-have-talented-players-and-knackers-31100778.html

English newspaper says Irish team have "talented players and knackers".

Knacker means that something over the hill, old work horse or useless players. It did raise an eyebrow when I read it on the Telegraph website. It doesn't mean travellers.;)

TheOneWhoKnocks

02/04/2015, 3:56 PM

Roy Hodgson pleads with England fans to cease IRA related chants.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/end-antiira-chants-before-ireland-v-england-match-in-dublin-roy-hodgson-31113758.html

But what would he know? He's only the England manager and in the stadiums when the chants are being heard. Stop overreacting Roy.

zero

02/04/2015, 4:14 PM

i haven't much interest in this fixture but i suppose it could be good for us to play in a higher than usual profile match ahead of the scottish game against opponents of a similar background.

scotland don't appear to have a friendly lined up as yet.

TheOneWhoKnocks

02/04/2015, 6:00 PM

Anti-IRA chants are not illegal, says English football supporters’ organisation

http://www.the42.ie/ira-chants-english-fans-2027803-Apr2015/

On Tuesday, the majority of those supporting Roy Hodgson’s side were heard partaking in anti-IRA songs during a friendly with Italy in Turin. Afterwards, the England manager said:

“I love the fact that our fans come [and support in numbers] but there’s no way I can justify or be glad about any political chants of that nature. We can only hope we can put that right before we go to Ireland.’’

Stuttgart88

02/04/2015, 6:19 PM

Fair play to Hodgson

DannyInvincible

03/04/2015, 1:25 AM

I agree. Fair play to Hodgson. Just to clarify, I've not remotely suggested he or anyone who points out the chanting is over-reacting. There's a big difference between Hodgson condemning the chanting due to its potentially offensive nature to Irish people generally (he's right to do so) and the Independent exploiting it to spread alarm with vague claims of "fears growing" as a result. Fears of what are growing exactly? I can only assume they were hinting at fears of trouble or violence, as they don't go into any great detail. I don't envisage there to be any trouble. There was no trouble at the Wembley meeting, security will be tight and there was no trouble when England played Scotland recently either. I think the FA have worked hard to stamp out the active and hardcore hooligan element that followed England.

Gather round

03/04/2015, 8:46 AM

the Independent exploiting it to spread alarm with vague claims of "fears growing" as a result. Fears of what are growing exactly? I can only assume they were hinting at fears of trouble or violence, as they don't go into any great detail. I don't envisage there to be any trouble

The Indy are puffing up a pretty small beer story.

I agree, there's little likelihood of a riot. The 'fear' is more of embarrassment. The English tab media know that some of their fans will try to provoke, as they did in Scotland and Italy. So they'll encourage them, and at the same time present it as anti-IRA England fans respond to pro-IRA FAI chief, or similar :(

Stuttgart88

03/04/2015, 8:50 AM

Those Polish neo-nazis were scary. Then I woke up.

Eminence Grise

03/04/2015, 11:00 AM

The Indo is little more than a tabloid rag masquerading as a newspaper. They were the only source bleating about hooligan trouble at the Poland game - a story so short they had to link it to English hooligans and even the Landsdowne riot. If you were ever in doubt, their coverage of this story compared with RTE and the Irish Times would tell you how low they'll stoop to scaremonger. (In fairness, this would have been a tough editorial call - should they have a go at the public service worker, and keep up their proud DOB-inspired tradition, or go for the scumbag?)

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nurses-terror-as-thug-drags-her-from-car-beside-hospital-31115506.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0403/691835-hospital-to-assess-security-after-car-theft/
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/nurse-s-car-burnt-out-after-keys-taken-outside-dublin-hospital-1.2163386

BonnieShels

03/04/2015, 11:25 AM

Store St/Railway Road?

Was he driving to the cop shop or what? Madness.

But yeah, Info is a rag and a half.

TheOneWhoKnocks

13/05/2015, 11:11 PM

Hopefully this will learn them...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/england-could-face-2018-world-cup-ban-for-fans-antiira-chant-31219670.html

Any association whose supporters are found guilty of such behaviour faces sanctions that range from a fine of �20,000 all the way up to disqualification from a competition.

Many of the 2,000 England fans in Turin in March sang the anti-IRA chants during their 1-1 draw with Italy, a particular concern with England playing in Dublin on June 7 for the first time since a Lansdowne Road friendly was abandoned following a riot organised by right-wing England fans here in 1995.

DannyInvincible

13/05/2015, 11:29 PM

England could face 2018 World Cup ban for fans' anti-IRA chant

That sounds like an insanely sensationalist headline. What regulation/initiative are they referring to?

tetsujin1979

21/05/2015, 11:34 AM

England squad announced: http://www.thefa.com/news/england/2015/may/england-squad-ireland-slovenia

Goalkeepers
Robert Green (Queens Park Rangers), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley)

Defenders
Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United)

Midfielders
Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham Hotspur), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

Forwards
Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)

Stuttgart88

21/05/2015, 12:25 PM

No Grealish?

Sorry, I'll give myself a voluntary ban.

nigel-harps1954

21/05/2015, 1:23 PM

Couple of unexpected omissions there. Danny Rose, Michael Carrick and Stewart Downing would probably have expected a place in the squad with a couple of players missing through injury and under-21 squad.

DeLorean

21/05/2015, 1:48 PM

Carrick is injured himself.

zero

21/05/2015, 8:20 PM

i don't know what other people think but i'd prefer we didn't have this game. because it's england and because of what happened the last time the came over there's a bit more to it than a normal friendly. it's a distraction we could do without. i sort of feel there's an element that would place this above the scotland game in importance - i hope i'm wrong.

IsMiseSean

21/05/2015, 9:08 PM

Anyone who places this game above the Scotland game I wouldn't consider them a fan. I agree with being a distraction, I'd prefer if we were having a warm up against someone with a lesser reputation

DeLorean

21/05/2015, 9:52 PM

Yeah it's a strange one. Maybe Scotland did it the right way by having it the other way around. That said, maybe a friendly match with an automatic intensity is the perfect preparation for the Scotland game, especially given the usual going through the motions feel to games this time of year. Obviously anybody with the slightest appreciation for the bigger picture will realise the Scotland game absolutely dwarfs it in terms of importance and the players and management certainly will, which is all that matters really.

DannyInvincible

22/05/2015, 1:50 AM

i sort of feel there's an element that would place this above the scotland game in importance - i hope i'm wrong.

Some people's priorities are utterly warped.

It's the NI training match for which I'm on the edge of my seat!

Gather round

22/05/2015, 7:30 AM

Some people's priorities are utterly warped.

It's the NI training match for which I'm on the edge of my seat!

Josh 'Captain Caveman' Magennis warms up for the fray:

"Qatar? The Free State? Romania? All on the list, but first I have to beat up my team-mates!"

http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/article31229925.ece/e34e3/ALTERNATES/h342/2015-05-18_spo_9629665_I1.JPG

jbyrne

22/05/2015, 9:19 AM

I'd prefer if we were having a warm up against someone with a lesser reputation

don't agree. many of our players wont have kicked a ball in weeks before the two upcoming matches. in that case there is no point playing a half paced friendly that would inevitably happen against most of the countries willing to play us. the fact that its England we are playing might make it a bit more competitive and therefore more useful with Scotland the week after