21st round LOI. July 25-27

[sullanefc]

https://vine.co/v/M0OV3D2ihrH

[bluewhitearmy]

Now now, no need to be condescending. Yes I do play. And my opinion is that he took him out. A cowardly challenge. Why not step out of the way rather than stick his backside into a player jumping for the ball?


The reason i asked do you play is I guarantee you that you have done the same or something similar when someone is coming at you like that its a natural reaction. Similar thing to what happened Lenihan happened me a few years ago and I broke a bone in my neck so I do feel for him. I just think the bohs player was a bit soft nothing more.

[Acornvilla]

`Hon the Harps!

[NeverFeltBetter]

https://vine.co/v/M0OV3D2ihrH

Come of it. He see's Lenihan will get to the ball with his momentum, turns his back to try and shield the ball from him if it drops to his feet and then ducks when he feels Lenihan's make contact with his back to avoid a worse collision. It's a natural reaction in the moment and I've seen similar things in other games in the LOI. I suppose you can call it "cowardly" if you want, but there is no intention for an injury to happen there.

[Ezeikial]

That's more an indictment on the players who clearly were not giving 100% under Horgan.



There is no doubt that there was a major issue with lack of effort and commitment by players and poor team morale under Horgan.

The difference between then and now is Darius Kierans and he deserves great credit for the transformation since Drogheda were hammered 6-0 by Athlone

[Lim till i die]

Why not step out of the way

Not sure if serious etc, etc.

[shep]

To try lay the blame at Paddy Kavanaghs door is ridiculous...hope Lenihan has a speedy recovery...but it is just an unfortunate incident .Sullanefc saying about a tackle in the air being illegal.well you could hardly say Kavanaghs tackled him.Then you have Pat Hoban earlier in the season making a challenge for the ball in a 50/50 situation and people saying he went to "do" the Derry player.

so in conclusion according to Cork fans you are a coward if you don't contest these challenges,whereas if your a Derry fan someone who does contest them is a thug!!!

its a funny old game

[sullanefc]

Come of it. He see's Lenihan will get to the ball with his momentum, turns his back
We agree here.


to try and shield the ball from him
Shielding the ball is what happens when the ball is running out for a goal kick and the defender puts himself in the way of the ball. When the opposing player is moving with momentum, I would call this a body check. And when one player is in the air, a body check can lead to this type of fall. Seen many of them over the years.


if it drops to his feet
The ball was going way over his head. Not sure if serious etc etc.


and then ducks when he feels Lenihan's make contact with his back to avoid a worse collision.
H started ducking before contact.


I suppose you can call it "cowardly" if you want, but there is no intention for an injury to happen there.
I clearly said in my post above, that I don't think he intended to injure him. He was attempting a body check IMO. And with Lenihen in the air, a body check was wreckless, dangerous and cowardly IMO.


It's a natural reaction in the moment and I've seen similar things in other games in the LOI.

Not sure if serious etc, etc.
I've seen countless examples in football of a ball in the air, one player is favourite to win it, and the opposing player does not challenge. Would have prevented an injury here if the Bohs player just left it off.

[sullanefc]

To try lay the blame at Paddy Kavanaghs door is ridiculous...hope Lenihan has a speedy recovery...but it is just an unfortunate incident .Sullanefc saying about a tackle in the air being illegal.well you could hardly say Kavanaghs tackled him.
Not saying it is "illegal", I'm saying it SHOULD be "illegal" like in rugby.

[Straightstory]

Great win for the Drogs. Give Darius the job! (Although - are there still issues with his 'pro-license' or something?)

[White Horse]

Paddy Kavanagh did nothing wrong. The Cork player is the one who put himself in danger. Brave lad, I hope he recovers quickly.

[Nesta99]

Cowardly tackle by the Bohs player. Backing in instead of challenging for the ball. I've seen similar tackles in football over the years and FIFA need to address them. Isn't a tackle in the air an auto sin bin in rugby?

Had a double take on whose post this was!

[pineapple stu]

Paddy Kavanagh did nothing wrong. The Cork player is the one who put himself in danger. Brave lad, I hope he recovers quickly.
Exactly how I see it (just from the vine; didn't see the match). The Cork lad went right over the top; unfortunate, maybe even a bit careless on his part, but never the active fault of the Bohs player.

[PartySaint]

Great night for Dundalk and to a lesser extent Pats but we still have to get the job done tonight.

I could see Bohs getting something from that game but Drogs winning in Tallaght is a massive shock

[mcgonigle]

Kavanagh did nothing wrong there and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. It's just one of those unfortunate incidents and I hope he has a speedy recovery. I hope there will be no twitter bashing for Kavanagh similar to what some Derry "fans" subjected Hoban to....... twice!

[Dodge]

Cowardly tackle by the Bohs player. Backing in instead of challenging for the ball. I've seen similar tackles in football over the years and FIFA need to address them. Isn't a tackle in the air an auto sin bin in rugby?
The worst post in the history of foot.ie, and that's really saying something

Absolutely disgusting for you to try and lay blame for Lenihan's fall with Kavanagh

[pineapple stu]

Don't forget as well Cork fans (not sullanefc) defending Darren Dennehy for his sending off in Belfield earlier this season, which every other fan criticised as a horrendous tackle.

Basically my team good, other teams bad.

Well, now that the European campaign is over.

[Dodge]

Oh I feel a bit sorry for Bohs. Clearly the better team throughout the injury has taken a bit of gloss over a terrific win for them

[Pablo Escobar]

Oh I feel a bit sorry for Bohs. Clearly the better team throughout the injury has taken a bit of gloss over a terrific win for them
What do you want them to have? An open-top bus perhaps? They got their reward, i.e. 3 points. I completely stopped caring about the result after the injury. I think it's very fair that concern switched to the injured player and away from football if you ask me.

[Dodge]

I didn't say otherwise. It's just unfortunate for them that their terrific performance for 70 minutes will be forgotten

[shep]

What do you want them to have? An open-top bus perhaps? They got their reward, i.e. 3 points. I completely stopped caring about the result after the injury. I think it's very fair that concern switched to the injured player and away from football if you ask me.
So if cork had gone on to win the game 2-1 you wouldn't have cared about the result??? Strange to say the least

[Pablo Escobar]

So if cork had gone on to win the game 2-1 you wouldn't have cared about the result??? Strange to say the least
Not a jot. The incident totally sickened me.

[PartySaint]

Cork have released a statement saying Lenihan is ok which is great to hear. Suffered concussion so id imagine a few weeks on the sideline for him.

[Pablo Escobar]

Cork have released a statement saying Lenihan is ok which is great to hear. Suffered concussion so id imagine a few weeks on the sideline for him.
2 weeks which is a big loss but it's great news.

[back of the net]

2 weeks which is a big loss but it's great news.

RTE saying he has been discharged from hospital - Thank God

Was at the game last night and saw him on the ground with the paramedics and club doctors over him - was very distressing


Well done to all paramedics , cork and bohs medical staff in been so quick in their actions and their excellent work in treating him

[Stuttgart88]

RTE saying he has been discharged from hospital - Thank God

Was at the game last night and saw him on the ground with the paramedics and club doctors over him - was very distressing


Well done to all paramedics , cork and bohs medical staff in been so quick in their actions and their excellent work in treating him
Check out the comment from some idiot called Fergal in the comments underneath this article:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish-soccer-league/2014/0726/633247-lenihan-conscious-after-horror-fall/

[sullanefc]

The worst post in the history of foot.ie, and that's really saying something

Absolutely disgusting for you to try and lay blame for Lenihan's fall with Kavanagh
Jeez, exaggerate much? Forgive me for taking a post like this from you with a large pinch of salt. Good contribution.

Don't forget as well Cork fans (not sullanefc) defending Darren Dennehy for his sending off in Belfield earlier this season, which every other fan criticised as a horrendous tackle.

Basically my team good, other teams bad.

Well, now that the European campaign is over.
So you are basing that opinion on 1 or 2 posters on here? The ccfcforum was 50-50 on the red with most of the rest saying yellow. Making sweeping generalisations to make your point isn't very clever.

Look, only the player truly knows his intention but from what I've seen, IMO, he deliberately body checked a player in mid air and that is reckless.

[pineapple stu]

Apart from the macho rugby stuff, I don't see much wrong with that comment. It's true you can't swallow your tongue, and from what's been said (again, I've only seen the vine link), simple first aid did prevent further injury. An incident can look distressing but have a simple, if long, treatment to keep it perfectly under control.

[back of the net]

Check out the comment from some idiot called Fergal in the comments underneath this article:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish-soccer-league/2014/0726/633247-lenihan-conscious-after-horror-fall/

Its Doctor Fergal ..... (:


EDIT: Just following on from Stu's comment

I suffer from epilepsy myself - and have been told by my doctor that during a seizure it is very hard to swallow your tongue and that ppl should not try prevent it happening if I am in seizure

Not sure though if the same applies to linehan's case though - which obviously came from very different circumstances

[pineapple stu]

What almost certainly happened is that, while unconscious, his tongue fell back and blocked his airway. This is very dangerous, but very easy to fix. You just open the airway (via a jaw thrust here due to the risk of a spinal injury). It's something you learn on any basic first aid course. Fergal may well have a point that it's not worth hyping up something that's really easy to fix by suggesting it needs paramedics. A paramedic would have been needed to rule out a spinal injury. The rest seems like basic first aid - monitor the airway; get to hospital

[Dodge]

Jeez, exaggerate much?

I'm the exaggerator here?


Cowardly tackle by the Bohs player. Backing in instead of challenging for the ball. I've seen similar tackles in football over the years and FIFA need to address them.

[back of the net]

I don't think anyone is hyping it up in fairness

Linehan fell from a height and potentially could have had a very serious spinal injury or head injury

The medics were excellent in their response in dealing with the immediate aftermath of the effects of linehans accident

Fergal sounds like an idiot - "This happens in rugby but you don't see guys whinging about it. " .....linehan seemed to be having a seizure from I could make out from looking on in the stands.....he was in no position to whinge and nobody else was/is whinging about it

[pineapple stu]

So you are basing that opinion on 1 or 2 posters on here? The ccfcforum was 50-50 on the red with most of the rest saying yellow. Making sweeping generalisations to make your point isn't very clever.
I'm basing it off 4 or 5 Cork fans on here. But I'll take your figures if you want; they prove my point more. Every Cork fan who thought Dennehy's challenge wasn't a red is wrong. I didn't see a single fan from another club argue against a blatant red.

My club good, others bad. As I said.

And it holds here. Only Cork fans are arguing that was deliberate (and few of them at that). almost everyone else can see it was an accident, and that Lenihan's challenge was risky. By the law of "my club good, others bad", you are wrong to blame the other club.

[sullanefc]

I'm the exaggerator here?

Correct.

[nigel-harps1954]

I'm quite surprised nobody has commented on the fact his team-mate came immediately to his aid and put him into the recovery position. Should be commended for his quick thinking in a potentially very serious situation where others may have panicked.

[back of the net]

I'm quite surprised nobody has commented on the fact his team-mate came immediately to his aid and put him into the recovery position. Should be commended for his quick thinking in a potentially very serious situation where others may have panicked.

absolutely - very good point

[Stuttgart88]

Apart from the macho rugby stuff, I don't see much wrong with that comment. It's true you can't swallow your tongue, and from what's been said (again, I've only seen the vine link), simple first aid did prevent further injury. An incident can look distressing but have a simple, if long, treatment to keep it perfectly under control.
Who was whinging about it though? Nobody.

And while swallowing your tongue is technically impossible it's the established term for describing what happened. It happened to me and I was unable to breathe while unconscious. The referee, luckily for me, knew what to do and it was all dealt with without any fuss.

Seeing a guy go off the pitch unconscious and in a neck brace having been in convulsions is a pretty distressing sight. Nobody whinged about it, it was just reported for what it was. That idiot threw in a totally needless bit of macho rugby nonsense. Given how the rugby community acknowledges the seriousness of head injuries and concussion - an area where I think Irish rugby is taking a commendable lead over other nations - I'd hazard a guess that more than 99pc of serious rugby supporters would be mortified by yer man's comment.

It was a pathetic bit of needless point scoring.

[pineapple stu]

I'm quite surprised nobody has commented on the fact his team-mate came immediately to his aid and put him into the recovery position. Should be commended for his quick thinking in a potentially very serious situation where others may have panicked.
Technically, that was a very dangerous thing to do. If he had suffered a neck injury, being rolled could have made it worse, or even killed him. Should have kept his head steady and done a jaw thrust to open the airway. The odds were probably in his favour that there was no neck injury, but still

Stutts - You're right that swallowing your tongue is the commonly used layman's term for what happened, but that (to me anyway) conjures up images of sticking your fingers into the guy's mouth to pull it back, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do. So maybe Fergal has a point about using a different term which more naturally conveys what has happened. His tongue blocked his airway, maybe. Still obviously dangerous, and points towards opening the airway. One of the first things you learn in first aid.

Agree completely on the pointless rugby point scoring of course

[El-Pietro]

I'm quite surprised nobody has commented on the fact his team-mate came immediately to his aid and put him into the recovery position. Should be commended for his quick thinking in a potentially very serious situation where others may have panicked.
If Josh O'Shea never does anything else positive on the pitch for the rest of his career with City it won't matter. He's earned his keep with his swift action last night.

Complete (horrible) accident. I'm not gonna go as far to say I don't care about the result, but Lenihans health is far more concerning than winning last night. Now that he's been given the all clear I hope he is back as soon as possible, but I'll be shocked if he makes the Dundalk game and even Pats would seem a stretch. Concussion is a scary thing.

Up to that point, we were shocking. Worst City performance I've seen all year (wasn't in Dundalk). We couldn't pass the ball, and so we constantly gave it away. I've been saying for years than Dunleavy isn't a midfielder and he was at fault for the first goal, and for tehir chance that led to the shot of the crossbar by not picking up runners. Davoren being taken off may lead to him being scapegoated but those two chances that came from his side were nothing to do with him, and his yellow card was only picked up due to a hospital pass from Dennehy,B.

We need Gearoid Morrissey back in the team as soon as possible, Buckley too.

[pineapple stu]

If Josh O'Shea never does anything else positive on the pitch for the rest of his career with City it won't matter. He's earned his keep with his swift action last night.
I know your post crossed with mine, but I think it's really important to emphasise that, in the circumstances of a person landing on their head from a height of ten foot or so, putting them in the recovery position is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

It worked last night, but you can't play odds with potential spinal and neck injuries.

[gufcfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMk0QjxZcDc

[El-Pietro]

I wasn't aware of that Stu. I know we shouldn't overreact to one off events like this but it only takes a series of small mistakes/accidents to have something like this end so much worse and so perhaps it would be good to have players and coaches properly trained in first aid. My reaction would either have been to be paralyzed with inaction out of shock, or else to attempt the recovery position.

On another note, Lenihan is the second City player to suffer from concussion this year. Along with Barry Murphy in the Rovers v Rovers game thats at least 3 players off the top of my head in the LOI to suffer that so far this year. Our players were both taken out of the action due to the severity but that should be the default position in World Football in my opinion. I was disgusted to see Shamrock Rovers leave Murphy in goal when he had been clearly knocked unconscious. Similarly there were two instances of this in the World Cup where the player was allowed to play on. Any suspected concussion should result in the player being removed regardless of the situation on the pitch.

[nigel-harps1954]

Longford 1-1 Waterford HT

[Mr A]

3-1 Longford.

Not even God can stop them now.

[El-Pietro]

Tony Cousins probably can though.

[ATFC-1887]

Buttimer is a pathetic excuse for a ref. Absolutely robbed us tonight. Didn't deserve to lose the game at all. Gutted.

[Longfordian]

Tony Cousins probably can though.

In fairness to him he's keeping it fairly simple. Playing our best players and keeping the ball on the ground as much as possible has produced eight wins in a row. Waterford were decent tonight actually. Jack Doherty was a threat all night.

[PartySaint]

Buttimer is a pathetic excuse for a ref. Absolutely robbed us tonight. Didn't deserve to lose the game at all. Gutted.

I'm not sure he robbed you of a result, your poor finishing probably let you down more bit I agree he was shocking.

Delighted with the win with all the players we were missing, we didn't play well tho but into 3rd and only 6 off Cork so our European hopes still alive. Big few weeks coming up.

[ATFC-1887]

I'm not sure he robbed you of a result, your poor finishing probably let you down more bit I agree he was shocking.

Delighted with the win with all the players we were missing, we didn't play well tho but into 3rd and only 6 off Cork so our European hopes still alive. Big few weeks coming up.

Well yeah that is true but we should of had a penalty in the first half. But our finishing did cost us.

[Charlie Darwin]

Absolutely disgusted to see people blaming Paddy Kavanagh for Lenihan's injury. It was a really unfortunate accident that neither player is responsible for. I'm delighted to see he's OK and, even as Stu rightly points out the recovery position was the wrong decision, it was great to see his fellow players on both sides only had eyes for his well-being.

On a side note, Rovers were dreadful again and Croly has to go. Anybody here can tell you I have defended him to the hilt and last season I was convinced he was building something but this season he has just got worse and worse despite a reasonably good league position.