Irish Tigers and Opposition Irish

[Charlie Darwin]

Quinn and Meyler in for Hull to face Everton, with Brady dropping to the bench. Coleman starts and McGeady is a sub for Everton.

[KK77]

Good to see Meyler and Quinn play. A decent result for Hull after recent results though Roberto said Everton have played an incredible number of games and were tired.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Stephen-Quinn-wants-key-role-Hull-City-year-ups/story-25742051-detail/story.html

Hard done by Quinn wants key role at Hull.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30573618

McShane training with U-21's after bust up with Bruce.

[Charlie Darwin]

Meyler, Quinn and Brady all start v Sunderland today. No McShane in the squad as expected, though Bruce would be forgiven for giving in after this defensive masterclass from his son put Sunderland 1-0 up.

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[tricky_colour]

Meyler, Quinn and Brady all start v Sunderland today. No McShane in the squad as expected, though Bruce would be forgiven for giving in after this defensive masterclass from his son put Sunderland 1-0 up.

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Shocking stuff from Bruce, still Hull recovered well with 3 Irish playing.

Mind you it may have been part of a secret cunning plan, I notice when some fairly poor teams go one up early on they end up getting stuffed.

Actually looking at it again should Alex have had a free kick?

Actually I think it is Curtis Davis not Alex Bruce.

[tricky_colour]

http://youtu.be/gacBz00NOoE?t=38s

I think Quinn's little run into the box may may have helped a little in this goal by taking the keepers attention
to the left of the goal, making more space at the right post. ( at 0.38 ).

[Crosby87]

What a mess.

[tricky_colour]

BBC 1 5.30 KO

Quite a few Irish line up.



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[tricky_colour]

Backed Hull to win at 15/2 it's a tricky bet :)

[tricky_colour]

Wow Quinn took a really nasty tackle to the ankle , I thought his leg was broke,
back on his feet me must be made of stern stuff.

[Charlie Darwin]

McShane back in the side, along with Quinn and Brady, to face Arsenal. Just gone 1-0 down from a corner conceded by McShane, but he didn't have any other option really.

[nigel-harps1954]

What an absolutely unbelievable block by McShane there, whose had an excellent first 20 minutes for Hull.

[Charlie Darwin]

Brilliant goal-line clearance from McShane from Sanchez when it would have been 2-0 and game over.

[tricky_colour]

Yea I backed Hull but they went a goal down, dunno if I will see that 50p again.

[tetsujin1979]

threads merged, no need to discuss the same game in two different threads

[tricky_colour]

threads merged, no need to discuss the same game in two different threads

Yea I wanted to make a forum post cos some might not have realised the game was on TV

[tetsujin1979]

Yea I wanted to make a forum post cos some might not have realised the game was on TV
fair enough, in retrospect, I could have waited until the final whistle to merge the threads.

[tricky_colour]

Worth noting Hull went 1-0 down to Sunderland and came back to win 1-3

Can't see that happening here though. Hull giving the ball away too cheaply, well one guy is anyway.

[tricky_colour]

Commentator has just said Quinn has played well, something I was thinking, McShane has done well too, Brady's kicks have been top notch,
nice to see a player who can cross a ball without wasting it. He would put 100 in before he put in a bad one, with other players it is every other ball.

[edit] Brady just put in a bad one, but it might have been a cheeky shot on goal, was not far from the top corner. About the only way Hull would
get a gaol.

[Charlie Darwin]

It's all Hull this half, though Arsenal are still creating the odd really good chance.

[tricky_colour]

Quinn played pretty well, he is a busy player and acts as a kind of play maker, he is comfortable
on the ball and defensively strong, the sort of player we need in out midfield.

He is joint top on assists for Hull, pretty impressive given he has only made 8 starts and 5 as sub.

So defensive string, good passer as creating goals, quite a good combination really?



What more could you ask for?


As I said earlier he is made so stern stuff, he took a few whacks in the game, I was expecting him to be stretcher off
after one ankle bending challenge but he was soon back on his feet.

Must be that ginger beard.

[Stuttgart88]

Quinn was excellent throughout. Head up, busy, proactive, always looking to do something positive. Better player than Gibson on that showing.

Brady showed some nice skill but wasted two frees, both from the same position where he delivered a beauty in Glasgow in injury time. Looks a good player, but there are lots of good players his age so needs to step up a gear soon I think.

If McShane had played like that all his career he'd never face the ridicule he gets from some in Ireland. I really warm to him. Commentator said he was 36! A bit harsh.

[Charlie Darwin]

McShane the last year or so looks in a lot better physical shape than he ever has. He's leaner and faster, I think.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/hull/hull-city-jelavic-and-hernandez-could-be-out-for-up-to-six-weeks-1-7047680

Lenihan should be back in action in four weeks. Hopefully he can get a full pre-season.

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Safe-bet-Hull-City-won-t-use-Tom-Ince-Robbie/story-25839206-detail/story.html

Brady failed to impress up front against West Brom but he may get another opportunity to impress with Jelavic and Hernandez out of action for several weeks.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

West Ham 3-0 Hull

Brady ill, McShane an unused substitute, 90 minutes for Meyler and a rare 90 minutes for Quinn.

I wonder what the odds are on Hull trying to resign Long before the end of the window? Or is it possible to play for three teams in one season (you know what I mean)?

[Olé Olé]

I wonder what the odds are on Hull trying to resign Long before the end of the window? Or is it possible to play for three teams in one season (you know what I mean)?

The hypocrisy is cringe-inducing. You disparaged another post mockingly in another thread regarding speculation on the potential eligibility of a kid with an Irish second name but switch over to this thread to speculate on Long moving back to Hull and, previously, the potential for a loan move away from St. Mary's for Long.

I'm able to bear your being outspoken and opinionated (or however it may be described) but consistency would be just.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Shane Long is a full Ireland International. This is a football forum for Irish football fans.

I didn't disparage any post mockingly. I made a couple of harmless comments that are only been picked up on because I made them. gastric made a similarly harmless comment about me on Richard Dunne's thread which I actually found humorous and inoffensive. I presume that offended you also? All things being consistent.

Some people might think it's narrow-minded to think someone is Irish or has Irish blood just because they have an Irish surname. There are plenty of people in Northern Ireland and Great Britain with Irish surnames who have no Irish blood and don't identify as Irish. Most of our new recruits at senior (and underage) level don't have Irish surnames and so were not conjectured about, and flew under the radar, on forums like these. This could be down to any number of factors. Likewise, my surname is not Irish yet all my roots are traced to this country.

I think the bottom line is if a player is eligible and is interested, he will become known to the relevant people. I don't think the FAI are scrolling Premier League and Championship team's squad lists to find players with Irish surnames.

[CraftyToePoke]

I take your point that it is not just about the surname, but it is a good early indicator nonetheless, for fans in particular, but as Aldridge, Townsend etc from way back, prove, it is just a starting point, I don't feel however you can credibly argue that an Irish surname shouldn't be a factor, or indicator or even an early reference point to rule guys in/out in the matter.

[DannyInvincible]

Indeed, no harm in using a surname obviously of Irish origin as a starting point for possible enquiry. What's the harm in simply wondering or asking? Nobody's making any assumptions about such name-holders or trying to impose a possibly unwanted Irish identity upon anyone.

I don't think we should just assume that a player will become known to the FAI simply because he might be eligible and/or interested. We can't be certain that all eligible or potentially-interested players will actually formally declare their interest. Maybe they'd fear it would be perceived as arrogant or something like that. There may even be eligible players who've never really considered it as realistic or worth their while for whatever reason, but who might seriously entertain the idea if they thought the FAI were keen to have them. There are plenty of players presently playing in IFA teams who would think like that. For a long time, Sean Caffrey, for example, actually made a point of not initiating any contact with Shane Duffy whilst Shane was still registered with the IFA. This was in spite of Shane having showed an eagerness. No movement was made until Shane actually formally declared his intention to make the switch from the IFA to the FAI. (http://foot.ie/threads/147164-Eligibility-Rules-Okay?p=1482512&viewfull=1#post1482512)

[Charlie Darwin]

Off-topic, McShane will likely find himself back in the team after James Chester and the manager's son both joined the injury list at Hull, while Bruce publicly criticised Davies for his defending for the opening goal: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/18/steve-bruce-hull-players-west-ham-allan-mcgregor-curtis-davies?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Olé Olé]

Shane Long is a full Ireland International. This is a football forum for Irish football fans.

I didn't disparage any post mockingly. I made a couple of harmless comments that are only been picked up on because I made them. gastric made a similarly harmless comment about me on Richard Dunne's thread which I actually found humorous and inoffensive. I presume that offended you also? All things being consistent.

Some people might think it's narrow-minded to think someone is Irish or has Irish blood just because they have an Irish surname. There are plenty of people in Northern Ireland and Great Britain with Irish surnames who have no Irish blood and don't identify as Irish. Most of our new recruits at senior (and underage) level don't have Irish surnames and so were not conjectured about, and flew under the radar, on forums like these. This could be down to any number of factors. Likewise, my surname is not Irish yet all my roots are traced to this country.

I think the bottom line is if a player is eligible and is interested, he will become known to the relevant people. I don't think the FAI are scrolling Premier League and Championship team's squad lists to find players with Irish surnames.

I didn't take offence to your post, nor would I allow that to occur. I did cringe though. Same way I cringed when you played the victim card above.

I feel you're being unnecessarily harsh and critical of a willingness by some to discuss the potential eligibility of a player due to an Irish surname. It's clearly an indicator, in spite of the caveats that you have outlined.

And, in the interests of not side-tracking this thread, I'm not commenting further.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm not playing the victim card. Your comment simply made me feel uncomfortable as it bore no relevance to Shane Long, Hull or Ireland. It's like you were calling me out on the carpet for my comments on the separate Nolan/O'Hara/Noble thread. I wasn't passing judgement on other people conjecturing the eligibility of players. I think you are being sensitive about my comments. Come on.... they were pretty harmless.

If you don't want to side-track the thread then maybe discuss it on the Nolan/O'Hara/Noble thread or with an amiable private message next time instead of calling me out in a needlessly hostile manner like this?

i.e. (or however it may be described)

Come on. I'm not that dense.

[tricky_colour]

Assist from Brady (good cross from left) 2-1 Hull.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

McShane & Meyler not covering themselves in glory for Chelsea's second goal. 0-2 at the KC Stadium.

[tricky_colour]

2-2 now tho!

[Stuttgart88]

Hull really struggling now. Hard to see the. Getting many more points this season. Teams below them are starting to play well. John O'Shea's Sunderland are going to find it tough too.

[Stuttgart88]

McShane, Quinn and Brady start for Hull. 1-0 up approaching HT at home to Liverpool.

[tricky_colour]

still 1-0 up about 2 min + stops to go.

edit only 2 mins added :)

oops 5 mins added!! :mad:

[Stuttgart88]

Over, 1-0. Huge win. Clean sheet for McShane. Given the importance attributed to CBs and clean sheets in this forum maybe that's very telling.

[tricky_colour]

Should see Hull save, Sunderland have a tough run in too, can't see them getting 5 point.
Mind you didn't expect Hull to win this one either, so who knows.
But if they can win this one there is no reason why they can't pick up more points against the big clubs.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Over, 1-0. Huge win. Clean sheet for McShane. Given the importance attributed to CBs and clean sheets in this forum maybe that's very telling.

Yes. A record of one goal conceded every game in the PL is substantially better than two goals conceded every game in the FL. McShane is also the reason Hull are in the PL right now, so he is a bit of a folk hero.

I don't begrudge him anything. But there aren't many people jumping to his defense when debatable comments are made about him.

[Stuttgart88]

I've always defended him for what it's worth. He's far from flawless but he's an honest and effective player who attracts an unreal degree of ridicule.

As for the stats, they say nothing much of note. Sure you say yourself that Forde ships goals. If we judged players on stats we'd never go near Forde. But we don't, we judge players on their performances, among other qualitative factors.

[tetsujin1979]

McShane has his fans on the forum, we're all well aware of his flaws, but we also appreciate what he brings to a team

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I must clarify that the McShane haters are far more prominent in other forums and publications than they are here, which is quite refreshing.

[Crosby87]

Hull Irish may get relegated in two games time allegedly.

[tricky_colour]

Hull Irish may get relegated in two games time allegedly.


What crackpot journalist said that?? ;)

Away to Spurs and then home to Man U, they require a win or two draws minimum. 3/1 and 5/2 on, to go down.

[tetsujin1979]

Who's crazier, the journalist who said it, or the person who believed him?

[tricky_colour]

Who's crazier, the journalist who said it, or the person who believed him?

We we shall find out in two games time!!

[Crosby87]

Serious question chaps, something I've always wondered....do teams sometimes want to get relegated? Like is it better to have a terrible year in the prem or a good year in the other one?

[tricky_colour]

Serious question chaps, something I've always wondered....do teams sometimes want to get relegated? Like is it better to have a terrible year in the prem or a good year in the other one?


It is a big drop in TV revenue I believe, although they do get 'parachute' payments I think to ease the blow I believe.

Nobody wants to get relegated, they still have their big wage bill usually.