Irish Tigers and Opposition Irish

[Diarmo]

Yeah. Thank God we have jazz hands to come back and drag defenders all over the place, win headers, link the play up, get on the end of Wes and Andy's passes, win fouls in/around the box and create those kind of chances for himself eh?

What an odious bell-end of a comment. Do you genuinely want us to fail so you can compose a trite "I Told You So" post?

This forum could do with an ignore button.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

As opposed to the people that seem to be taking glee in Shane Long missing chances in a game they didn't even watch?

Of course I don't want Ireland to fail ffs.

[DannyInvincible]

Yeah. Thank God we have jazz hands to come back and drag defenders all over the place, win headers, link the play up, get on the end of Wes and Andy's passes, win fouls in/around the box and create those kind of chances for himself eh?

C'mon, what is your gripe with Robbie, really? You clearly hold something against him for some reason...

Was this you?: http://thescore.thejournal.ie/profile/153213/he-scores-against-teams-1739147/


He only scores against the small teams.
He doesn’t do anything but score.
One player always plays specifically to win knockdowns for him.
We have to play two up front and sacrifice the modern in the hole midfielder to accommodate him.
He has already said that he will retire as soon as he is benched instead of being a man and fighting for and earning his place in the team.
Moved to a joke of a league at a ridiculously young age.
Should be nicknamed “jazz hands” because of the inordinate amount of time he spends gesticulating at team mates and referees.
Self-serving.
Sets a bad example, unbecoming of a senior figure, with his “We are Ireland. We have always been ****e” spiel.
Roy Keane wanted to go to every tournament (and win it).
Robbie Keane wants to increase his goalscoring and caps statistics.

[DannyInvincible]

What an odious bell-end of a comment. Do you genuinely want us to fail so you can compose a trite "I Told You So" post?

This forum could do with an ignore button.

Today's your lucky day, Diarmo!: http://foot.ie/profile.php?do=ignorelist


As opposed to the people that seem to be taking glee in Shane Long missing chances in a game they didn't even watch?

Of course I don't want Ireland to fail ffs.

Who's been taking joy from Shane Long missing chances? Nobody enjoys it when he misses chances. I interpret the comments of Stutts and Charlie above as being primarily borne out of an all-too-familiar frustration.

[Stuttgart88]

Taking glee? Seriously?

Some context is required here. A very outspoken poster here takes every opportunity possible, with the occasional concession to rational argument, to argue against the merits of a pretty reliable international goalscorer. Jazz hands, age, inferior league, no goals against Brazil or Germany, whatever excuse possible. At the same time he overlooks the very real fact that our most athletic forward also has a very serious deficit in front of goal.

I've a balanced view here. For the umpteenth time I see a lot of quality in Long but his finishing has been awful, and not just recently. I'd pick him over Keane all day long if I didn't feel he was becoming utterly hapless in front of goal. If not hapless then the most charitable I can concede is unreliable. That'd be generous as things stand. I hope be makes me look stupid but in the last few years I have seen too many bad misses not to think he just hasn't got instinctive goal scoring in his locker.

But I don't recall any concession from the other party that Long's finishing isn't a worry.

Long brings something to the table that Keane doesn't. Keane brings something to the table that Long doesn't. It's not something that's easily solved. It'd be nice to think we could afford just one player in the final third not busting his ****** just to occupy defenders and that our midfielders and wide players can get sufficient grip on a game to feel confident enough to pick a reliable goalscorer.

And don't patronise me about a game I didn't even watch. Hull is over 100 miles from where I live and it wasn't on telly. A live match report is the best evidence I had and it was pretty scathing in its description of Long's finishing. If it didn't match my own observations over the last two or three seasons I wouldn't have been as inclined to accept it as true.

[BonnieShels]

C'mon, what is your gripe with Robbie, really? You clearly hold something against him for some reason...

Was this you?: http://thescore.thejournal.ie/profile/153213/he-scores-against-teams-1739147/



He only scores against the small teams.
He doesn’t do anything but score.
One player always plays specifically to win knockdowns for him.
We have to play two up front and sacrifice the modern in the hole midfielder to accommodate him.
He has already said that he will retire as soon as he is benched instead of being a man and fighting for and earning his place in the team.
Moved to a joke of a league at a ridiculously young age.
Should be nicknamed “jazz hands” because of the inordinate amount of time he spends gesticulating at team mates and referees.
Self-serving.
Sets a bad example, unbecoming of a senior figure, with his “We are Ireland. We have always been ****e” spiel.
Roy Keane wanted to go to every tournament (and win it).
Robbie Keane wants to increase his goalscoring and caps statistics.

I've always thought of TOWK as something that is usually wrapped in latex (http://seinfeld.wikia.com/wiki/Vandelay_Industries).

[Stuttgart88]

Seems like Rory McIlroy owes his recent majors wins to McShane and Robbie Brady

https://mobile.twitter.com/pmacca15/status/498904919546822656

[Charlie Darwin]

Not a one Irishman in the Hull starting line-up to face QPR, Ince getting the nod ahead of Brady. Dunne starts for QPR alongside Ferdinand and Caulker.

[Charlie Darwin]

McShane, Brady and Meyler all in for the Europa League game in Belgium, Quinn not in the squad. Shame that Hull seem to be treating European competition as a reserve competition.

[tetsujin1979]

Quinn failed a fitness test before kick off

[Charlie Darwin]

Brady was substituted after an hour for Tom Ince, McShane was the first to get booked and Meyler has had a "sweetly struck" shot tipped over the bar as they pepper the Lokeren goal in search of an equaliser.

[Charlie Darwin]

Looks like Alex Bruce is leaving Hull as part of the Jordan Rhodes deal (funnily enough, to join the club that released him 10 years ago), which is good news for McShane, who played well in Belgium yesterday by all accounts.

[Stuttgart88]

I think McShane could score a hat trick against Argentina and keep Messi in his pocket and some people would say he's kack still. I think he's a good half season (or less) away from being very close to our first XI. Wilson has so far failed to make the second CB spot fully his own and solving the left back problem might involve some musical chairs.

[Charlie Darwin]

McShane and Quinn start for Hull at home to Stoke today. Meyler is on the bench and Brady nowhere to be found. They were down to 10 men early on as James Chester was sent off for a last-man tackle on Glenn Whelan, who started alongside Wilson with Walters on the bench and Ireland not in the squad.

[Stuttgart88]

I think Quinn has been really good. A proper busy midfielder. A definite option for the September games, especially if McClean isn't around. We don't need a winger out wide, a left sided midfielder would work well there too. He also an option for the middle, but somewhere I feel O'Neill will need to pick Hoolahan and/or Reid. McCarthy is a gimme.

McShane has done the defensive work really well. I think he started left back but went central when Chester was sent off. He looks like he's relishing the responsibility.

Marc Wilson did a Phil Babb on the goalposts attempting to block the Jelavic goal. I hope he already has children. Check it out if you didn't see it. Ouch!

[Charlie Darwin]

McShane started on the left of a back three with Chester and Davies, but they've reverted to four at the back with the wing backs playing as full backs.

[Charlie Darwin]

Commentators full of praise for both Quinn and McShane, and rightly so, with O'Neill and Keane looking on. Quinn replaced on 75 minutes by Meyler.

[Charlie Darwin]

Stoke equalise with one of the luckiest goal you'll ever see. Hull give the ball away again in midfield with an awful pass to nobody, Stoke then win a throw-in that should have gone Hull's way, and from the resulting cross they stab the ball in at the fourth attempt after McGregor had saved.

[Stuttgart88]

Commentators full of praise for both Quinn and McShane, and rightly so, with O'Neill and Keane looking on. Quinn replaced on 75 minutes by Meyler.

Was Monkeano in the crowd?

[Charlie Darwin]

He/they/it was indeed.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/hull-city-vs-stoke-city/1703523/ratings

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/274693-MOM-123-Stoke-(H)

Stephen Quinn and Paul McShane impress for Hull.

[Olé Olé]

I thought poor McShane had a slight involvement for the sending off. He played a dodgy ball to put Livermore under pressure who played a dodgy ball that put Chester under more pressure which resulted in him felling Whelan.

Overall, he contended well with Stoke whilst they were down a man. Quinn beside McCarthy in the middle of the park?

[Charlie Darwin]

In the links TOWK posted, a lot of people are taking marks off McShane for the pass that eventually led to the goal, but although slightly hurried it was a perfectly good pass that Livermore should have been able to deal with easily. If it was Manchester City or Liverpool and the same thing happened, I don't think people would be blaming Skrtel for Henderson's inability to control a simple pass.

[Stuttgart88]

I thought poor McShane had a slight involvement for the sending off. He played a dodgy ball to put Livermore under pressure who played a dodgy ball that put Chester under more pressure which resulted in him felling Whelan.

Overall, he contended well with Stoke whilst they were down a man. Quinn beside McCarthy in the middle of the park?
He has definitely put himself up the order. I'd be more inclined to pick him as a wide left midfielder rather than as part of a central two, unless Hoolahan plays slightly further up.

I think Hendrick has staked a good claim too, but I still think Whelan and McCarthy will be picked.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Quinn to start against Georgia?

Brady, McClean and Pilkington are all desperately short of match practice/form. Who are the alternatives? Walters?

[Olé Olé]

He has definitely put himself up the order. I'd be more inclined to pick him as a wide left midfielder rather than as part of a central two, unless Hoolahan plays slightly further up.

I think Hendrick has staked a good claim too, but I still think Whelan and McCarthy will be picked.

Whelan was starting in the past when his club formed didn't really merit it. In fairness to him, his club form has improved under Hughes and he merits the start more than he has done.

I just feel that Quinn gives something different though. We've always had the issue with retaining possession and that was one of the reasons Hoolahan has been brought into the starting 11. Still though, that's in the final third. I think having Quinn beside McCarthy would bring the best out in him. McCarthy is a very energetic operator. Having someone beside him who can provide him with frequent and quality ball in the middle third might bring the most out of his industry. Whelan's a ball player in his own right too, but, unfortunately, he appears to sometimes interpret being asked to sit beside McCarthy all too literally.

Fair enough having a sitting option against bigger sides. We've struggled to put away the likes of Georgia properly in recent campaigns. Often because we haven't, to use a cliché, taken the games by the scruff of the neck and brought it to them.

Quinn on the left is a decent option. Is he quick enough to play there at international level though? McGeady appers nailed on for one flank. Is it between Quinn and Reid for the left or will the management opt for a pacy winger who will be more fluid in moving between 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 and defence and attack given that McGeady can let his defensive duties slide sometimes? Brady, McClean and Walters probably offer that more than Quinn and Reid. But none of the three started this weekend for their clubs.

[Stuttgart88]

I just feel that Quinn gives something different though. We've always had the issue with retaining possession and that was one of the reasons Hoolahan has been brought into the starting 11. Still though, that's in the final third. I think having Quinn beside McCarthy would bring the best out in him.

Fair enough having a sitting option against bigger sides. We've struggled to put away the likes of Georgia properly in recent campaigns. Often because we haven't, to use a cliché, taken the games by the scruff of the neck and brought it to them.

Yep, I think in the past our midfield has been very passive and Quinn would bring a bit of bite and "snapping at ankles" into it. I thought Green and McCarthy did really well in Stockholm, and Quinn is a better player than Green. Quinn is pretty effective at finding space between the lines. He wouldn't have Hoolahan or Reid's vision or precision but he gets about and looks to be involved all the time.

[Olé Olé]

Yep, I think in the past our midfield has been very passive and Quinn would bring a bit of bite and "snapping at ankles" into it. I thought Green and McCarthy did really well in Stockholm, and Quinn is a better player than Green. Quinn is pretty effective at finding space between the lines. He wouldn't have Hoolahan or Reid's vision or precision but he gets about and looks to be involved all the time.

Agreed. I think he'd offer that bit more energy against Georgia when we don't need to shield our defence from over-ingenious attackers.

And I'm saying this as someone who does like Whelan.

[tricky_colour]

Hull 2-0 down, McShane and Quinn playing Brady and Meyler on the bench.

Villa keeper clattered, Given warming up, but he has not come on.

Half Time, all Villa really,

[tricky_colour]

Brady on, Grealish coming on too perhaps.

Goal!! Brady free kick, double headers and into the net.

Grealish on

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Great set piece delivery from super sub Robbie Brady leads to a Hull goal. 2-1 Villa now. Quinn, McShane and Brady on for Hull. Grealish has just come on for Villa.

[tricky_colour]

Grealish poll-axed and wins a yellow.

[tricky_colour]

Grealish poll-axed and wins second yellow,
third foul he has won, but he is playing for them to take pressure off Villa.,

[tricky_colour]

Stephen Quinn just flattened Grealish!! Another yellow!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Meyler, Quinn and Brady's chances of getting regular first team football have plummeted after Hull signed Diame, Ramirez and Ben Arfa.

That's a nice reward for Quinn's recent form. Livermore and Huddlestone haven't set the world alight so Meyler was unlucky enough as it was to be kept out by them. A fully fit Brady was as good as a new signing too.

A bit hard to take but hopefully Ramirez and Ben Arfa in particular won't take too long to kick up a stink again. There is a reason why Southampton and Newcastle didn't want them.

[Charlie Darwin]

If the Irish players can't get ahead of a pair of (talented) wasters and a big game wonder then they just haven't earned it.

[Stuttgart88]

Only Quinn starts tonight for Hull, Meyler and Brady on the bench. Noble starts for West Ham. Hopefully Quinn will kick lumps out of him and call him a fake paddy :)

[tricky_colour]

The good news is Brady is on, the bad news is it is at Quinn's expense.
Change was at 1-1 it is now 2-2

[Stuttgart88]

Brady scores to put Hull 2-1 up at WBA in League Cup. Meyler and McShane also start so Bruce must be prioritising this competition :)

[Charlie Darwin]

Shame they're out, it will be harder still for the Irish players to get games unless they can establish themselves as first choice.

[Stuttgart88]

No Hull Irish start today, Brady and Quinn on bench. Delaney starts for Palace, Doyle on bench.

Pretty depressing really. Looking bleak for Meyler?

[Charlie Darwin]

Meyler was injured last week so he probably was just a bit short of fitness. This Hull side are pretty average so I think Meyler, Quinn and Brady will work their way in.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Pretty hard on Brady, Quinn, Meyler and even McShane tbh.

There seems to be a lot more patience when it comes to some of the other player's form (Huddlestone, Livermore). And of course the manager's son gets his customary place on the bench - when most fans would have McShane there ahead of him.

Don't get me wrong. I'll eat my hat if the likes of Ramirez, Diame or Ben Arfa help Hull pick up as much points as Meyler and Brady did but I doubt it.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hull's Irish contingent all have a chance of featuring against Liverpool owing to injury problems for other players. Brady will come in if Robertson isn't passed fit. McShane is in consideration (and fans choice) to replace Dawson. Huddlestone is likely to be passed fit but if he is rested, Meyler or Quinn could come in.

[Charlie Darwin]

Dawson was a weird buy to begin with. One of those players who was hanging on at Spurs but you got the sense once they were done with him he'd end up tumbling down a division or two.

[DeLorean]

Thought he looked a decent signing to be honest. Held his own, and generally started and was even captain, at a CL chasing (and making) side for a good few years. He's easily good enough for Hull in fairness.

[Stuttgart88]

Brady and McShane start for Hull, Meyler and Quinn on bench.

Long starts for Southampton.

Saints one up after only 3 minutes.

[Charlie Darwin]

Sounds like an absolute belter by Wanyama from 40 yards.

[Stuttgart88]

The goal is on the Indo website, Vine footage.

Also on the score.ie

[Stuttgart88]

Long doing well according to Phil Thompson but has just missed a chance, an attempted dink over the keeper which he just didn't get enough on but the keeper and McShane made a good save, between them. No suggestion it was a bad miss.