Traps comments on LOI

[Trainee]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international/2013/0909/473232-trap-domestic-league-hampers-ireland/

“In Ireland there is no league. Our players play in England. In Sweden and Austria there is a league.
“That is different. Maybe you do not know, but I know this

[NeverFeltBetter]

Trapattoni has barely bothered his arse going to England to see players, so why should we be surprised for the contempt he just showed for the LOI?

And of course, another excuse for his failures. What will be next? "The FAI, they not pay me enough"

[Battery Rover]

Even without results and picking Paul Green a statement like that should be a sackable offence. Does he not realise his best ball players he has all began their careers here. Then again thinking of it he wouldn't be looking for ball players only ones that play long ball up middle looking for a knock down. Get rid of him now and try lure Martin O'Neill in at least he will select better ball players.

[Dunny]

Knob.

[nigel-harps1954]

David Forde

Seamus Coleman, Steve Staunton, Paul McGrath, Curtis Fleming

Wes Hoolahan Keith Fahey Roy Keane James McClean

Shane Long Kevin Doyle


I'm sure these 11 people, as well as countless others, would profess to the existence of a League here.

Ridiculous comments. I don't buy into the lost in translation thing either.

[NeverFeltBetter]

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Ridiculous comments. I don't buy into the lost in translation thing either.

Neither do I. I think Trap is getting ready for the end of his time with Ireland, and is getting every last excuse out there beforehand. I find these comments despicable from the manager of the national team.

[Candystripe]

David Forde

Seamus Coleman, Steve Staunton, Paul McGrath, Curtis Fleming

Wes Hoolahan Keith Fahey Roy Keane James McClean

Shane Long Kevin Doyle


I'm sure these 11 people, as well as countless others, would profess to the existence of a League here.

Ridiculous comments. I don't buy into the lost in translation thing either.

Brilliant post, should get rid of him now, even before the Austria game.

[jebus]

This could have easily been lost in translation with him basically saying the standard is poor here and not at the same level as Austria and Sweden. Even if it isn't I'd say most people that have managed in Serie A & the Bundesliga probably don't even view part time leagues as being proper leagues when you're talking about international level, in many ways they're right.

Haven't we heard from many posters on this site that the national team will never be up to par until the domestic leagues are? He's pretty much agreeing with that sentiment

[seand]

fyi Trap, non-existent League of Ireland teams played Swedish opponents in Europe six times over the past decade:
League of Ireland won 4, Swedish League won 2


A football association with a bit of self-respect would use this as an excuse to get rid of him for gross misconduct.

(that said, he has a point, I think, about us leaving the training of our best players to the hopeless British system)

[sadloserkid]

Even if he's 100% accurate (and he's not) it wouldn't change the fact that he's an arrogant dinosaur scrambling for excuses as his tenure winds to a close. He's fumbling to protect his legacy but instead showing himself up as classless, mean-spirited clown as well tactically redundant.

[Mr A]

I think people are so annoyed with Trappatoni at this stage that no matter what he says he'll get crucified. The point that Sweden and especially Austria have a big advantage in having much stronger leagues than we do in terms of producing players for the national team would strike me as spot on. We rely massively on England to develop our players. We'll never get to a point where we can retain all our players at home, but a stronger league could develop more players to a higher level before they go overseas and the national side would inevitably benefit.

Sack Trap for saying this? I'd rather the FAI actually produced a strategy for the development of the league and coaching in general for the country.

[Straightstory]

He's a sad, pathetic old man way past his sell-by date. Thankfully he's in his final days here.

[A face]

Even without results and picking Paul Green a statement like that should be a sackable offence. Does he not realise his best ball players he has all began their careers here. Then again thinking of it he wouldn't be looking for ball players only ones that play long ball up middle looking for a knock down. Get rid of him now and try lure Martin O'Neill in at least he will select better ball players.

Well, given that the FAI think the same i'm fairly sure that's not going to be the reason for his sacking. He is just verbalising what all the blazers think anyway so its will have to be his performances that are the last straw.

There is no one out there to ensure that he doesn't get away with a comment like that ..... no one in the media, no collective of fans, definitely no one in the FAI. the clubs will just bend over for more ..... so he will get away with it scot free.

Junior football has also had a shot across their bows and you can be full sure they'll make loads of noise even though everything being said about them is correct.

[gormacha]

I'm paraphrasing someone on twitter yesterday, who was spot on about Trap: overpaid, underemployed and underachieving.

[Mad Moose]

I think people are so annoyed with Trappatoni at this stage that no matter what he says he'll get crucified. The point that Sweden and especially have a big advantage in having much stronger leagues than we do in terms of producing players for the national team would strike me as spot on. We rely massively on England to develop our players. We'll never get to a point where we can retain all our players at home, but a stronger league could develop more players to a higher level before they go overseas and the national side would inevitably benefit.

Sack Trap for saying this? I'd rather the FAI actually produced a strategy for the development of the league and coaching in general for the country.

I think your spot on and the fall out of all this means your last crucial point will be missed. The FAI will never care or admit to it's failings not having the ability to grasp what Trappatoni has actually said here. Reactive and never proactive.

[Brusher]

Lost in translation ? The man is not stupid, he knew what he was saying and knows Delaney won't reprimand him. I don't care if we have a totally crap league with (which we haven't, but there is a responsibility on a National manager to have a modicum of respect for that nations people, which he has clearly flaunted in this statement.

[oriel]

The FAI allowed him semi retire watching DVDs in Italy for most of his tenure with them, even after the last 'show down' what did be do, go to what was it 2 or 3 games in England, pathetic.

Hasn't bothered to learn the language either, why not promote Manuella to the main job, she effectively does most of the interviews. Not to mention the money, 1.2m for Trap, 400k for Delaney, 300k is it? For the clubs.

Total holiday camp for them.

[A face]

The FAI allowed him semi retire watching DVDs in Italy for most of his tenure with them, even after the last 'show down' what did be do, go to what was it 2 or 3 games in England, pathetic.

Hasn't bothered to learn the language either, why not promote Manuella to the main job, she effectively does most of the interviews. Not to mention the money, 1.2m for Trap, 400k for Delaney, 300k is it? For the clubs.

Total holiday camp for them.

You're wrong there .... he has a very good grasp of the language alright, he just chooses not to speak it .... He is a charlatan.

[culloty82]

I think people are so annoyed with Trappatoni at this stage that no matter what he says he'll get crucified. The point that Sweden and especially have a big advantage in having much stronger leagues than we do in terms of producing players for the national team would strike me as spot on. We rely massively on England to develop our players. We'll never get to a point where we can retain all our players at home, but a stronger league could develop more players to a higher level before they go overseas and the national side would inevitably benefit.

Sack Trap for saying this? I'd rather the FAI actually produced a strategy for the development of the league and coaching in general for the country.

The coaching and development aspect is working to the extent that at least eight current squad members came through the LoI, but the question of whether the League is performing to its full potential should certainly not be excluded from debate. Soccer in this country needs to develop to the extent that qualifying for the Europa League is seen as an annual occurrence, rather than the exception, and even if there's no "magic bullet" that would help the process along, the planning needs to be put in place now. A mixture of FAI long-term support, regional academies, club development strategies along with interaction with junior clubs and youth teams all need to be part of the mix if we're to catch up with the Belarussian and Cypriot leagues, let alone aiming higher.

[Spudulika]

The coaching and development aspect is working to the extent that at least eight current squad members came through the LoI, but the question of whether the League is performing to its full potential should certainly not be excluded from debate. Soccer in this country needs to develop to the extent that qualifying for the Europa League is seen as an annual occurrence, rather than the exception, and even if there's no "magic bullet" that would help the process along, the planning needs to be put in place now. A mixture of FAI long-term support, regional academies, club development strategies along with interaction with junior clubs and youth teams all need to be part of the mix if we're to catch up with the Belarussian and Cypriot leagues, let alone aiming higher.

We don't (yet) have the poverty to match Belarus, or the sporting set up and remember it's only 1 club who cold be remarked upon and they were a long term project started from nothing (bankrupt and homeless).

Cyprus - if we want to turn our clubs into money laundering operations so be it, though I'd be a little worried.

[Charlie Darwin]

Cyprus - if we want to turn our clubs into money laundering operations so be it, though I'd be a little worried.
Why? As a nation, I think we'd be quite good at that.

[Fivesilver]

Remember those days when the national team went to Italy, the US and Japan and performed creditably in World Cup, all because we had a strong domestic league?

Me neither.

Just another excuse. Shouldn't be any surprise, though - throughout his career, Trapattoni has always responded to his own failures by blaming others, usually in the most condescending manner possible.

[A face]

Remember those days when the national team went to Italy, the US and Japan and performed creditably in World Cup, all because we had a strong domestic league? Me neither. Just another excuse. Shouldn't be any surprise, though - throughout his career, Trapattoni has always responded to his own failures by blaming others, usually in the most condescending manner possible.

Well, to be fair, at that time the FAI were able to rely on other leagues to take our players and develop them at the business end of their playing careers, and it served both sides well, the other leagues cherrypicked players and were able to get rid of the duds/failures and wash their hands of that side of it completely free of any responsibility and the FAI were able to take the "ahh sure aren't we great, all our players are playing great in a different country outside of our jurisdiction" and wash their hands of the lads who don't make it AND they can mismanage all stages of domestic football because there is no spotlight to highlight where they are making an absolute bags of the game.

[Spudulika]

Why? As a nation, I think we'd be quite good at that.

I almost made a Rovers quip (Russian links and all that) but it's not fair.

[Nesta99]

Rumours that Trap off to take over the Lybian national side - thats Zayed fooked then!

[Mad Moose]

Rumours that Trap off to take over the Lybian national side - thats Zayed fooked then!

I'm not sure Trap taking over the 'Libyan' national team will concern Eamon Zayed in the slightest.

[Nesta99]

Libyan - i humbly apologise for the error:rolleyes:

[Mad Moose]

Libyan - i humbly apologise for the error:rolleyes:

Even with the correction why would The Trap taking over the Libyan national team concern, interest, or affect Eamon Zayed?

[Charlie Darwin]

I assume because he plays for Libya. A minor detail but one I think is relevant to the discussion.

[DannyInvincible]

Am I missing something? :confused:

Zayed is a current Libyan international with five caps to his name. He scored his first goal for them in a 1-1 draw against Equatorial Guinea last week.

[Nesta99]

Zayed plays in a league that Trap has only last week declared non existant. If he is picked in future there will be a certain irony...

assuming of course they do appoint him.

[Charlie Darwin]

Zayed plays in a league that Trap has only last week declared non existant. If he is picked in future there will be a certain irony...
His appearance would give a whole new meaning to the phrase 'false nine'

[A face]

Still no statement from the league (http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php) in response to Traps comments ..... Hullo? Is there anybody home?

It absolutely speaks volumes, they couldn't give a monkeys

[Spudulika]

Still no statement from the league (http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php) in response to Traps comments ..... Hullo? Is there anybody home?

It absolutely speaks volumes, they couldn't give a monkeys

Why should they comment? If they did they'd be seen as petty and insecure, unlike LOI fans of course :-)

[DannyInvincible]

I think a right meal's been made of the comment. It's daft to read it literally. Those who do so come across as seeking to be offended. It's obvious what Trapattoni actually meant, even if he did express it rather crudely. Then again, English isn't his first language. Mr A sums it up very well up-thread (http://foot.ie/threads/183087-Traps-comments-on-LOI?p=1708592&viewfull=1#post1708592).

As for Trap perhaps having to select Zayed or whatever as a future Libya manager, that would be a completely different context.

[legendz]

Didn't a LoI XI take on an Ireland B one time around Mick McCarthy's time as manager? If Trap had to take charge of an Ireland B against a LoI XI, I think he'd have been more aware of the existence of our league. He might have seen a team and a set of players willing to play the game more like it should be as well.

[danthesaint]

http://balls.ie/football/shelbourne-boss-johnny-mcdonnell-takes-aim-trap/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[Charlie Darwin]

Still no statement from the league (http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php) in response to Traps comments ..... Hullo? Is there anybody home?

It absolutely speaks volumes, they couldn't give a monkeys
Given the league is under the FAI's remit, wouldn't it basically be their left hand criticising their right hand?

[A face]

Given the league is under the FAI's remit, wouldn't it basically be their left hand criticising their right hand?

I don't buy the 'insecure to say anything' argument, far too much of a cop out even for this countries shambles of a setup. And the FAI shouldn't have been in the compromising situation where their hands are at logger heads, you couldn't make it up to be honest.

[A face]

http://balls.ie/football/giovanni-trapattoni-tells-italian-media-good-job-country-league/

http://www.thescore.ie/trapattoni-ireland-review-1127235-Oct2013/ (http://balls.ie/football/giovanni-trapattoni-tells-italian-media-good-job-country-league/)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Roi...
http://foot.ie/threads/157804-Trapattoni-who-would-you-replace-him-with/page27

[NeverFeltBetter]

http://balls.ie/football/giovanni-trapattoni-tells-italian-media-good-job-country-league/

(http://balls.ie/football/giovanni-trapattoni-tells-italian-media-good-job-country-league/)http://www.thescore.ie/trapattoni-ireland-review-1127235-Oct2013/


Contemptible.

[Straightstory]

It's SO great he's gone. A weight has been lifted from our shoulders. WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO SEE HIM AGAIN! YIPPPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[A face]

It's SO great he's gone. A weight has been lifted from our shoulders. WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO SEE HIM AGAIN! YIPPPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Was he ever really here though? Inspired a national me árse

[gustavo]

The weight of qualifying for tournaments was a tough one alright.

[Straightstory]

The weight of qualifying for tournaments was a tough one alright.

One tournament - after getting an incredibly easy draw in the play-off; after being extremely fortunate to finish second in a weak group. By common consensus the ONLY time the team looked impressive under him was in one game - the World Cup play-off against the worst French team in living memory. This was such an unexpected surprise that many commentators presumed that the Irish players that night ignored his instructions and decided to express themselves against his instructions.
He fell out with players, held petty grudges against them, showed loyalty to individuals whose constant presence in the team bemused and exasperated fans and journalists alike, couldn't communicate with his team, or the media, and played the most boring football I've watched and Irish team play in over forty years.
And, either through gratuitous cynicism or befuddled ignorance, he insulted the national league of the country he was managing.
We'll miss him, all right.

[bennocelt]

The weight of qualifying for tournaments was a tough one alright.

not in 2014 anyway

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

One tournament - after getting an incredibly easy draw in the play-off; after being extremely fortunate to finish second in a weak group. By common consensus the ONLY time the team looked impressive under him was in one game - the World Cup play-off against the worst French team in living memory. This was such an unexpected surprise that many commentators presumed that the Irish players that night ignored his instructions and decided to express themselves against his instructions.
He fell out with players, held petty grudges against them, showed loyalty to individuals whose constant presence in the team bemused and exasperated fans and journalists alike, couldn't communicate with his team, or the media, and played the most boring football I've watched and Irish team play in over forty years.
And, either through gratuitous cynicism or befuddled ignorance, he insulted the national league of the country he was managing.
We'll miss him, all right.

I'd rather him then Noel King any day

[citybone]

Id prefer Noel King over Trapp to be honest. Better result vs the Germans for a start.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Stan only lost 1-0 away to Germany. He must be a way better coach then Trap.