Ronan seery says city fans are no better than lowlife scum [Archive] - Page 2

�anna

27/09/2004, 3:06 PM

If what Mr Seery witnessed was along the same lines as the abuse aimed at Dominic Foley and the female ref's assistant in Dalymount (abuse which grew stronger as defeat got closer) I'm not surprised by his reaction as I found the outbursts in Dalymount purile and offensive and had nothing to do with supporting CCFC. This kind of abuse goes beyond "Barry takes it up the nose" and if you heard it from Rovers fans your response would be "typical of the scum". Abusing opposition players is not necessarily supporting your team and usually inspires the target to greater effort to silence the abuse.
I wasn't at Dalyer, but believe me it was very mild in comparison to what I've heard. Apart from "Barry takes it up the nose", "junkie" and "Barry give us a spliff", there was feck all else said- unless singing "the drugs don't work" is somehow abusive?! As for inspiring him- it certainly did that- the guy had a blinder!

NY Hoop

27/09/2004, 3:13 PM

[QUOTE=xtreme rebel]I hope Tom The Gom didn't get to Brian before us......we could miss the Rovers game. What a clown that man is.

This is the funniest thread I have ever read. Above quote is priceless. As is "city fans are always strong in numbers in richmond park" from exile.

From sheridan "I sat on my own during the second half and left on my own" but the best was "I like to observe the players and managers body language during the warmdown" FFS get a life.

Got a first hand account from a fellow Hooper, who demeaned himself by going to this game, and from what he said the away fans were just having a laugh with ryan. Seery was bang out of order doing what he did and the sooner his farce of a club go back to the LSL the better. Fair play to away fans going that distance on a thursday night and as any real fan knows the away trips are the ones that end up, despite the result, being the best fun.

Also it is a shame we didnt think of the "Barry takes it up the nose" line the week before! For the record I think he's a far better keeper than mooney but that's for another day.

See "ye" friday and if you dont win dolan should be chucked in the lee.

KOH

thecorner

27/09/2004, 3:14 PM

I wasn't at Dalyer, but believe me it was very mild in comparison to what I've heard. Apart from "Barry takes it up the nose", "junkie" and "Barry give us a spliff", there was feck all else said- unless singing "the drugs don't work" is somehow abusive?! As for inspiring him- it certainly did that- the guy had a blinder!

u forgot about the very offensive

barry,barry,barry,barry,barry,barry,barry

very offensive indeed :D

S�C

27/09/2004, 3:30 PM

u forgot about the very offensive

barry,barry,barry,barry,barry,barry,barry

very offensive indeed :D
As someone who speaks near fluent Jackeen I can confirm that Barry Barry Barry is not offensive in that tounge.

Era I'd say the fella wouldnt havbe minded if the game was 1-0 to them and they werent a sham of a club in the relegation zone.

Give me UCD anyday

Colm

27/09/2004, 4:18 PM

Got a first hand account from a fellow Hooper, who demeaned himself by going to this game, and from what he said the away fans were just having a laugh with ryan. Seery was bang out of order doing what he did and the sooner his farce of a club go back to the LSL the better. Fair play to away fans going that distance on a thursday night and as any real fan knows the away trips are the ones that end up, despite the result, being the best fun.

Well there you have it. Even a Rovers fan admitted that the City fans did nothing wrong and he also agreed that Sheridan is a loser!
Whatever we say about Rovers fans or they say about us, there's no denying that when it comes to supporting a football club both sets of fans are the masters at it in this country so the fact that a Rovers fan is backing us up here says a lot imo as, unlike Seery, Sheridan et al, they know how to support a football club.
Along with the ourselves, Rovers are one of the few sets of proper football fans in Ireland. It's just that we do it in greater numbers and with more style.

razor

27/09/2004, 4:25 PM

Along with the ourselves, Rovers are one of the few sets of proper football fans in Ireland. It's just that we do it in greater numbers and with more style.
F*ck Me, A City - Rovers love in.
Did I ever think I'd see the day.

NY Hoop

27/09/2004, 4:29 PM

Yeah I've got to lie down!! Dont know about the style but no argument about your numbers except at richmond!

KOH

Colm

27/09/2004, 4:29 PM

F*ck Me, A City - Rovers love in.
Did I ever think I'd see the day.

Nothing of the sort.
It's just that like us Rovers fans actually understand about supporting football so for an unbiased Rovers fan to agree with the City fans on this issue proves what that our version of events is true.

Don't get me wrong, I ain't praising Rovers at all. Compared to us they've got sh!t support (at home and away) but compared to Dublin City.....

Sheridan

27/09/2004, 4:51 PM

Nothing of the sort.
It's just that like us Rovers fans actually understand about supporting football so for an unbiased Rovers fan to agree with the City fans on this issue proves what that our version of events is true.
Actually, it doesn't prove anything of the sort. Remember, Rovers fans are convinced they're angels too. As for NY Hoop (as anyone who frequented the old eL MB will know), he's unusually bitter even for a Hoop and has a fixation with DCFC in general and me in particular, I think there must be some Freudian explanation (hate to go ad hominem, Adam, but I suspect this thread is heading bye-byes because of the "loser" comment above anyway.)

So just before it does, I'd like to suggest a way in which you and your mates might cement your new-found friendship with Rovers fans. Behave towards them as you did towards me after you next meeting, and come back on here to tell us all about it (if you still can.)

Terry Phelan

27/09/2004, 4:57 PM

Eeekk!!!
is hot in here

exile

27/09/2004, 5:42 PM

Actually, it doesn't prove anything of the sort. Remember, Rovers fans are convinced they're angels too. As for NY Hoop (as anyone who frequented the old eL MB will know), he's unusually bitter even for a Hoop and has a fixation with DCFC in general and me in particular, I think there must be some Freudian explanation (hate to go ad hominem, Adam, but I suspect this thread is heading bye-byes because of the "loser" comment above anyway.)

So just before it does, I'd like to suggest a way in which you and your mates might cement your new-found friendship with Rovers fans. Behave towards them as you did towards me after you next meeting, and come back on here to tell us all about it (if you still can.)

you have to got to remember that a handfull of rovers fans actualy create physical violence of which there was none at our last encounter at richmond park, and im quite sure if dublin city had the same amount of home support has we do away support they would be vocal too ,we are no angels no one has claimed this. our only crime your eyes is that we are very vocal in support for our team.
you keep over looking the fact if we were causing so much trouble why did the gardai not move us on or the stewards who were having a laugh and a joke with us and even barry got in on the act with us.
and also as you claim you were verbaly abused and if you were then you have a genuine cause for your trouble but what have you got to say about your chairman who abused us so much at the match that he was the one who had to be told leave by the stewards.
What does that say about your chairman ? does that make him lowlife scum we after all gave no one the finger or told anyone to f~~k off

Colm

27/09/2004, 6:15 PM

So just before it does, I'd like to suggest a way in which you and your mates might cement your new-found friendship with Rovers fans. Behave towards them as you did towards me after you next meeting, and come back on here to tell us all about it (if you still can.)

Well a few of us went into the Horse and Jockey a few weeks ago and had a chat and a bit of banter (a lot closer to the bone than what you had with us) with a few Rovers fans. We took the p!ss out of them and they took the p!ss out of us but none of us felt the need to go crying like a little girl about it like you did. We just took it all in good spirits.
Similarly, we had a laugh with a few Bohs fans in the Dalymount bar a few weeks ago and nobody's feelings were hurt like yours seem to have been.

Football fans generally like to have a laugh and take the p!ss out of the opposition. It happens all the time but usually the club chairman doesn't go and abuse away fans and the fans don't get all upset over nothing like you seem to have done. I think you need to get out more Sheridan.

dahamsta

27/09/2004, 6:28 PM

he also agreed that Sheridan is a loser!
FFS. Colm, how long have you been posting here now? Do I normally allow this kind of garbage?

adam

harry crumb

27/09/2004, 7:25 PM

I think the problem is that "banter" can be mistaken for something more serious sometimes.

tiktok

27/09/2004, 8:21 PM

Sheridan,
if the antics of the guys after the game intimidated you then they were out of line. After a game that crap should be put aside, and regardless of our opinions of your club, the fact that you turn out to support them despite their shortcomings, on and off the field, week in-week out should see you given a break at the very least.

When it comes down to it, we were having a laugh with Barry, winding him up. Neutrals in the crowd and the stewards actions testify to that. Barry smiled through it all (water off a duck's back to be honest), he applauded us at the end and it was returned in kind.

IMO if Barry didn't take offence, Seery had no right to do so on his behalf, and the way he went about it could have led to a nasty incident with a different bunch of supporters.

The other issue is whether or not we should have been allowed behind the goals, if the answer to that is no, then it's down to the stewards and indirectly, Seery himself. The onus is on him to instruct what were, for the few hours that night, his employees. However on the night, Seery was told by the stewards that we were within our rights to stand there, at which point he was led away.

I can understand you being defensive, your club gets a lot of abuse, but in this case your chairman brought it upon himself with an over-reaction.

If any of the lads there had thrown anything onto the pitch or attemtped to get close to Barry in any threatening way, we would have dealt with that ourselves. I don't know all the lads personally, but from our travels I know them well enough to say we know when to draw the line. On last thursday night, that line was drawn with a few chants.

Barry got over it within seconds, the rest of us should do the same

Sheridan

27/09/2004, 8:34 PM

Barry got over it within seconds, the rest of us should do the same
Fair points well made, tiktok.

And for what it's worth, Rocky was wrong to approach the Cork fans and have a go (maybe it was just banter ;) ), but I think he had a right to be concerned about the safety of his employee after what happened against Shels. And there do seem to be conflicting reports regarding Barry's reaction.

The Cork fans should not, IMO, have been allowed behind the goal, but that's a matter for the stewards, as you say. I'd pay good money to know what the arrangements regarding stewarding at DCFC games are, because I'm not entirely sure that this wasn't another case of Shels deliberately going out of their way to cause us problems.

And yes, some of your fans were well out of order in terms of civilised (if not violent) behaviour (clue: when even Tom "I'm mad as a hatter and I thump linesmen" The Gom reckons you've gone too far, you've gone too far) and I have absolutely no respect for these people.

thecorner

27/09/2004, 9:07 PM

The Cork fans should not, IMO, have been allowed behind the goal, but that's a matter for the stewards, as you say.

we got into the ground late and there was nowhere else to sit ;) ;)

�anna

28/09/2004, 12:15 AM

: when even Tom "I'm mad as a hatter and I thump linesmen" The Gom reckons you've gone too far, you've gone too far)the man is nuts. what would he know? sheridan, I saw the "incident" which distressed you so- I was there. It was nothing. get over yourself

Sheridan

28/09/2004, 12:51 AM

the man is nuts. what would he know? sheridan, I saw the "incident" which distressed you so- I was there. It was nothing. get over yourself
It wasn't a big deal (when you know what kind of people are involved and what to expect, at least), but it was far from "nothing". What you people don't seem to realise about "banter" is that it's a two-way process. When one party doesn't participate or indicates that the other's behaviour is unwelcome, it becomes at best boorishness, at worst outright abuse. And when so much as a finger is laid on the second party, it can turn very nasty very quickly (and possibly constitutes assault; not that I'd be petty enough to pursue that, but I think it's a correct interpretation of the law.)

I've seen less provocation result in far more serious consequences, many, many times.

thecorner

28/09/2004, 6:45 AM

It wasn't a big deal (when you know what kind of people are involved and what to expect, at least), but it was far from "nothing". What you people don't seem to realise about "banter" is that it's a two-way process. When one party doesn't participate or indicates that the other's behaviour is unwelcome, it becomes at best boorishness, at worst outright abuse. And when so much as a finger is laid on the second party, it can turn very nasty very quickly (and possibly constitutes assault; not that I'd be petty enough to pursue that, but I think it's a correct interpretation of the law.)

I've seen less provocation result in far more serious consequences, many, many times.

why dont u repeat all this to your chairman

if it was gonna get serious ,it would have been entirely his fault ;)

NY Hoop

28/09/2004, 11:10 AM

Actually, it doesn't prove anything of the sort. Remember, Rovers fans are convinced they're angels too. As for NY Hoop (as anyone who frequented the old eL MB will know), he's unusually bitter even for a Hoop and has a fixation with DCFC in general and me in particular, I think there must be some Freudian explanation (hate to go ad hominem, Adam, but I suspect this thread is heading bye-byes because of the "loser" comment above anyway.)

So just before it does, I'd like to suggest a way in which you and your mates might cement your new-found friendship with Rovers fans. Behave towards them as you did towards me after you next meeting, and come back on here to tell us all about it (if you still can.)

Firstly I havent been on the EL mb in years. Secondly dont flatter yourself as I dont have a fixation on you or your, eh, club. And we know we're NOT angels. I just went on here because a fellow Hooper went to the game and said that seery had gone behind the goal and that the city fans were just having a laugh.

As a Rovers fan I know what it's like to be accused of something that we're not. See a certain evening newspaper last april so just posted here on what I had been told.

As colm said football is all about banter and they did come into the H&J and guess what? They didnt get killed. We sang the traitor song for them and I didnt see any of them leaving crying. I remember city fans coming into the Horse Show House the day we got the League trophy in 94 and while they got some major league slagging everyone was saying fair play to them. Also I know some city fans living up here and while we give each other absolute dogs abuse we know what each other sacrifices to support our team.

What I'm saying is you do need to get more and stop leading such a sheltered life. I mean your comment about tom the gom defies belief. "When tom the gom reckons you've gone too far, you've gone too far"!!! As for your last post :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lastly why should'nt the cork fans be allowed behind the goal? It's the same price for the whole ground and I know I prefer to stand behind the goal.

At least next season you wont have these problems as the monaghan casuals have stopped going!

KOH

joeSoap

28/09/2004, 11:27 AM

As a Rovers fan I know what it's like to be accused of something that we're not.

Yeah...I believe someone called ye a football side once.... :D

�anna

29/09/2004, 12:44 PM

It wasn't a big deal (when you know what kind of people are involved and what to expect, at least), but it was far from "nothing".
Well, I guess if you knew what a crowd was you'd be used to it.

What you people don't seem to realise about "banter" is that it's a two-way process. When one party doesn't participate or indicates that the other's behaviour is unwelcome, it becomes at best boorishness, at worst outright abuse.
Most two-way processes are initiated by one party or another. No-one stopped you walking off. You just stood there.

Eric

30/09/2004, 11:29 PM

How would you like it if some ignorant tosser came up to you when you were trying to do your job and shouted in your ear, and made personal remarks about your family, or a drug habit?

adam

Every day!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

thecorner

30/09/2004, 11:46 PM

Every day!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

i like that answer ;)

dahamsta

01/10/2004, 8:42 AM

Doesn't sound like much of a job Eric. :)

Dricky

01/10/2004, 2:16 PM

If Barry hadn't failed the drug test this wouldn't of been an issue, that's hardly Cork City's fault.

Neil

01/10/2004, 2:25 PM

If Barry hadn't failed the drug test this wouldn't of been an issue, that's hardly Cork City's fault.
Does Barry Ryan blame Cork City fans for being foxy aswell does he?

Sheridan

01/10/2004, 2:33 PM

Great post. Some sense and real talk and it comes from a rovers fan. I'm amazed. Fair play to you, NY Hoop. That was as decent a post as i've seen in a long time. Sheridan, i'm not gonna be too harsh on you but every game your gonna have to deal with this banter and to call it any thing else is ridiculous. All fans slag the other set of supporters and if your not able to deal with that, i suggest following other sports like badminton.
FWIW, your new mate NY Hoop is only backing you up because he's OBSESSED (see the Ultras forum for details.)

As for the "banter" b0llocks, I didn't consider it banter, and Barry (who, being a 'keeper and a professional footballer, has seen his share of "banter", not to mention abuse, over the years) didn't consider it banter. In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights. I think the common thread here is the disparity between what's considered civilised behaviour amongst most human beings, and the equivalent standard of behaviour amongst Cork City fans. Draw your own conclusions.

We had some proper banter with Owen Heary earlier in the season, a DC fan on the Riverside shouted a comment at him in jest, he (and the players around him) laughed, Heary replied (while the game was still going on) and got a huge cheer. The tone last Thursday was considerably different.

Anyway, I reckon this topic's been done to death. I, for one, have ventured just about as far into the festering well of sociopathy that appears to be the mindset of (far too many) Cork City fans as I'm willing to go. See you in a few years, hopefully.

Ruairi

01/10/2004, 2:43 PM

In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights.

EH??? Sheridan my man, that makes absolutely no sense whatsover. a player thumping a fan for something he said on the terraces? give me a break. "within his rights"??? come on now sheridan, you're an intelligent guy. if that's the case every player at an away ground would go around thumping fans for abuse that was shouted from the terraces. it's part and parcel of the game. and before you start spouting on about "ooh, that's his personal life", the guy was banned from the game of FOOTBALL for drugs offences, and then had the cheek to say in a radio interview with newstalk that he shouldn't have been banned because it was "only" a recreational drug and not a performance enhancing one? what kind of message was that sending out to kids who play football?

Sheridan, I've sat out of this argument for long enough, but to be perfectly honest i'm sick of you playing the saint here, and defending Barry Ryan in spite of the fact he phsyically threatened a cork city supporter (and yes, I was there,i saw the whole thing with my own two eyes).

give us a break man, please.

thecorner

01/10/2004, 2:45 PM

See you in a few years, hopefully.

it wont be too soon ;)

Neil

01/10/2004, 2:48 PM

We had some proper banter with Owen Heary earlier in the season, a DC fan on the Riverside shouted a comment at him in jest, he (and the players around him) laughed, Heary replied (while the game was still going on) and got a huge cheer.
And did the dog start barking then and did the old man's hat blow away in the wind...

**** off to the Leinster Senior League or something worse than that.

Sheridan

01/10/2004, 2:50 PM

And did the dog start barking then and did the old man's hat blow away in the wind...

**** off to the Leinster Senior League or something worse than that.
Muppet. Grow up.

tiktok

01/10/2004, 3:59 PM

........Barry......allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights. I think the common thread here is the disparity between what's considered civilised behaviour amongst most human beings, and the equivalent standard of behaviour amongst Cork City fans. Draw your own conclusions.

I will draw my own conclusions.
Daft post, your worst of the whole debate.

The behaviour of City fan's was uncivilised, yet Barry would have been within his rights to thump one of us. I guess physical violence would have been civilised by that logic. :rolleyes:

Although, it's the same logic which facilitated your chairman's double standard, we're the 'lowest form of scum' and 'lacking in moral fibre' while his swearing and gesturing is a 'personal plea'.

If Seery was that concerned with moral fibre, he shouldn't have hired the drugs cheat in the first place, surely that sends out the wrong message to the kid in the stand :rolleyes:

Sheridan

01/10/2004, 4:15 PM

I will draw my own conclusions.
Daft post, you're worst of the whole debate.

So the behaviour of City fan's was uncivilised, but Barry would have been within his rights to thump one of us. I guess physical violence would have been civilised by that logic.
Yeah, you're right in one sense. He wouldn't have been within his rights legally, but if it happened after the game (or was unrelated to the game) then I know how I would have reacted, and I'm sure I wouldn't have been alone. I'm glad he didn't resort to physical violence, but it's always interesting to see how brave people are when the tables are turned. (Incidentally, there has been no debate. Don't let my endless patience fool you otherwise.)

Although it's the same logic which facilitated your chairman's double standard, we're the lowest form of scum and lacking in moral fibre while his swearing and gesturing is a 'plea'.
I've already said, many times, that I don't condone Rocky's behaviour. But just on that, someone said that he could have caused "war" all on his lonesome by throwing some abuse at twenty+ Cork fans. Whereas twenty+ Cork fans throwing abuse at Barry is apparently no grounds for retaliation. Where's the double standard now?

If Seery was that concerned with moral fibre, he shouldn't have hired the drugs cheat, surely that sends out the wrong message to the kid in the stand :rolleyes:
Stupid comment. Too stupid to be worthy of rebuttal. You can do better than that.

Incidentally (if you want to broaden the argument), what I haven't mentioned is the lack of class and sportsmanship in the Cork team itself, from putting the ball out of play by DC's corner flag when it was kicked to touch because Doyle was feigning injury (basically giving themselves an attacking platform) to making two substitutions in stoppage time. Why haven't I mentioned it? It's football, it's fair game (although Dolan openly exhorting his players to intimidate the ref was borderline.) They did what they had to do to win the game, and fair f*cks to them. Some of you just seem incapable of drawing the line.

Eric

01/10/2004, 4:19 PM

As for the "banter" b0llocks, I didn't consider it banter, and Barry (who, being a 'keeper and a professional footballer, has seen his share of "banter", not to mention abuse, over the years) didn't consider it banter. In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights.
.

Of all the fans in all the grounds in all the world he had to pick me!!!! :rolleyes:

Let me tell you Sheridan that he would most certainly not have been within his rights to physically assault anyone, regardless of what was said to him!! And I'm sure he would've got a nice little surprise if he did try assault me.!!! ;) :D

Eric

01/10/2004, 4:24 PM

I've already said, many times, that I don't condone Rocky's behaviour. But just on that, someone said that he could have caused "war" all on his lonesome by throwing some abuse at twenty+ Cork fans. Whereas twenty+ Cork fans throwing abuse at Barry is apparently no grounds for retaliation. Where's the double standard now?

.

The city fans were abusing Barry Ryan whilst he was on the pitch and there was never going to be any trouble between either party. Whether you condone what was being said is your opinion.

The whole situation with Seery is completly different. We were all behind the goal singing and chanting when he stormed over into the middle of us abusing us and telling us to shut up. Far greater likelyhood of creating trouble when he is standing in the middle of a group of fans abusing them

patsh

01/10/2004, 4:44 PM

Anyway, I reckon this topic's been done to death. I, for one, have ventured just about as far into the festering well of sociopathy that appears to be the mindset of (far too many) Cork City fans as I'm willing to go. See you in a few years, hopefully.:rolleyes:
Sheridan,
you have been a welcome addition to this and other forums for the last year or so. However, your posting over the last few weeks is of a level bordering on the ludicrous.
A few points:
1. You believe that any fan of an opposing team is a "knuckle-dragger" for not supporting a rival team in Europe.
2. You appear to be appalled at the fact that fans will bait, hurl abuse and generally try to get on the backs of opposition players.
3. "Strong" language and "sarcastic" comments seem to upset you inordinately.

A) Fans support thier own team and want them to succeed. By definition, that means they want their rivals to fail at every turn. Your term of knuckle-dragger suggests a person of fairly low intellect. Not understanding a simple basic fact about competitive sport could be interpreted as somehow lacking in intellect. You certainly are not a fool, so do not try to come across as one.

B) Soccer is generally a working class game, mostly supported by males. It is a physical game, played by men, (except for womens leagues obviously) who curse, swear and express themselves in terms that would be considered "impolite". Those male supporters express themselves just as impolitely, as physically and as passionately as any player.The abuse that is flung at players by players on the field of play is often much stronger than anything fans say.

C) Cursing, swearing and using the most foul language is part of soccer in every counry that has a league. This is a fact, however unpalatable, and if you want to continue to go to and enjoy games, you had better get used to it. To suggest that Seery was intemperate, yet fans were foul and abusive for speaking in exactly the same terms, is silly and ridiculous.

I quite enjoy your contributions, but from your posts, you would prefer if all soccer fans sat at games, applauded both teams equally and shouted things like "Well played, Sir". You had a signature which quotes an Irish Ascendancy novelist. This suggests some sort of hankering for an idealised and mythical world where we are all good chaps, fair play and taking part is the guiding principle and we all shake hands and have a Pimms after the game.
If it's the Corinthian spirit you are looking for, then maybe you might find it at the Polo or Lacrosse fields in the Phoenix Park.You are not going to find it at ANY sport I know of anywhere in the world.

I feel sorry that you, and the other few genuine DC fans that I know of, are watching your team failing so badly, its always the fans suffer the most in these situations. However, Bohs, City, SPA, Rovers, Monaghan, Kildare etc fans are going to shout, swear, jump about, scream abuse and annoy the opposition for as long as teams exist and are supported. Every opportunity to needle, mock and disparage opposing teams and players will be availed of, and being offended by it can only lead to a level of indignation that is unhealthy for you. You can't beat them, you don't have to join them, but you MUST put up with it.

Sheridan

01/10/2004, 5:07 PM

:rolleyes:
Sheridan,
you have been a welcome addition to this and other forums for the last year or so. However, your posting over the last few weeks is of a level bordering on the ludicrous.
A few points:
1. You believe that any fan of an opposing team is a "knuckle-dragger" for not supporting a rival team in Europe.
Come sir, you exaggerate. I never said "any." I clarified my position repeatedly, and don't feel any compulsion to do so again. I stand over the knuckle-draggers comment in the context in which it was made. A few of these same knuckle-draggers were in evidence at Tolka Park for the DC game. In fact, the furrows their knuckles left behind in the concrete were so deep we had to pay Shels to get them filled in :(

I quite enjoy your contributions, but from your posts, you would prefer if all soccer fans sat at games, applauded both teams equally and shouted things like "Well played, Sir". You had a signature which quotes an Irish Ascendancy novelist. This suggests some sort of hankering for an idealised and mythical world where we are all good chaps, fair play and taking part is the guiding principle and we all shake hands and have a Pimms after the game.
I'm cracking up here, Pat. :D

Actually, I come from THE, and I mean THE single most identifiably working class community in Dublin, possibly in Ireland. Which is why, incidentally, I know that some of the Cork fans' behaviour would get them in trouble (or hurt, or stabbed) in different circumstances, because I've seen it happen. I swear at players/referees/linesman/managers all the time. But I know where to draw the line, and I know that gathering in a group of twenty directly behind someone I wouldn't say "boo" to if I met face-to-face and hurling foul-mouthed and targeted abuse at them is pathetic at best.

And give it a rest with the "man's game" stuff, I thought pseudo-working-class chic went out with Oasis and Loaded. Although we do tend to pick up trends late from across the water, so maybe the cultural year is 1996 after all.

It's nothing to do with DC on the field. F*ck it, we weren't good enough and deserved to go down, we'll do better next time. But I'll be the judge of what I should and shouldn't put up with, and a rather good judge I am too, if I say so myself.

Now, I'm happy to draw a line there if everyone else is.