manager vacancy

[nigel-harps1954]

Na, sure travelling to limerick 3 or 4 times a week, you'd easily spend that on petrol. You'd have a point if they got petrol money as well, but I know a lot of them don't. Then factor in travelling a 4 hour round trip 3 - 4 times a week and its less attractive.


That's where player sponsorship comes in.

[bluewhitearmy]

Plus, I think with the general atmosphere among the players, I think the players would be telling potential new recruits that they've had problems negotiating contracts, or that the club treated them in such a way and that. Doesn't paint the most positive picture for them.

I doubt it tbf why if they are staying would they be turning others away? Fair enough if some lads leave they might talk like that but any of the lads that stay will surely want better players in with them so will talk it up if asked. When pre-season is started and lads are signed back any bad feeling about not getting offered deals sooner will be forgotten im sure.

[harpin]

Who decides who we should be looking to keep from the present squad? Kerley? Who decides what players we should be looking to bring in? Kerley or the board?

[kingpin4]

Who decides who we should be looking to keep from the present squad? Kerley? Who decides what players we should be looking to bring in? Kerley or the board?

That's where it gets messy. None of Kerley, Barratt or Taylor know the players that well. If it goes to the board to decide then its really the same.
And with the way they were treated in the off season (RE: lack of communication) , then inviting them all to pre season won't work either because unless they have a contract, they won't risk picking up an injury.

If Kerley picks, you will see Yellow Lyons, Wayne Colbert and Jason Hughes back in...maybe even Robbie Kelliher will get a shout ;)

(Edit: not having a go at Kerley incase Sea Bird has another meltdown)

[bluewhitearmy]

That's where it gets messy. None of Kerley, Barratt or Taylor know the players that well. If it goes to the board to decide then its really the same.
And with the way they were treated in the off season (RE: lack of communication) , then inviting them all to pre season won't work either because unless they have a contract, they won't risk picking up an injury.

If Kerley picks, you will see Yellow Lyons, Wayne Colbert and Jason Hughes back in...maybe even Robbie Kelliher will get a shout ;)

(Edit: not having a go at Kerley incase Sea Bird has another meltdown)


From talking to both you are wrong about Kerley and Barrett. Both have a very good knowledge of the players in LOI prem. Was only just after last season ended me and a few lads were at an underage match talking to Tommy and he does know his stuff. The club have a few people they can call on to get opinions too. Kieran Judge is another that knows an awful lot about the players in both leagues having talked to him about it loads of times.

When the manager is in and deals start being offered i dont think the lack of communication previously will matter a few lads that i have talked to that were fuming a bout it are now more then happy to sit down and talk with the club now that its all sorted. There will be a few announced at the same time or very close after the manager im sure.

[Jofspring]

Interview with John Sullivan in the sun talking about Stuart Taylor. He is full of praise for him anyway. Sullivan signing with Dundalk also.

[harpin]

Interview with John Sullivan in the sun talking about Stuart Taylor. He is full of praise for him anyway. Sullivan signing with Dundalk also.

He was a young fella when he was with us so I presume he was in his early teens when he was with Hamilton. A big difference dealing with youngsters and the likes of Gamble

[Sea Bird]

its ok kingpin anyone that sits back and reads your posts will realise you havnt a clue..

[Jofspring]

He was a young fella when he was with us so I presume he was in his early teens when he was with Hamilton. A big difference dealing with youngsters and the likes of Gamble

He says in the article that he helped bring through a lot of young players with Hamilton. One of which was James McCarthy. He said he also took pretty much every training session with the senior team and brought youth players into the first team setup so if he has dealt with the first team then he has dealt with senior players before. It is also mentioned that in the training Taylor always got them to keep the ball down and play it out so he should bring a nice style of football to Limerick.

[NeverFeltBetter]

I've yet to hear a bad word about Taylor really.

[kingpin4]

its ok kingpin anyone that sits back and reads your posts will realise you havnt a clue..

:D
You've had a 'mare in here haven't you?

Anyway, I agree, if deals get sorted soon, everything that happened in the off season will be forgotten about.
I'd say there'll be 4 or 5 loans in from England, but do the club lose them then in June? Surely no English club would risk making them play through the summer then back to their own league without burning them out. Can't help but feel that moving to Limerick isn't going to be that big of an attraction for players over there either.

Whether O'Leary was training with another club or not, I have a big fear of losing him.

[Jofspring]

From searching around the Internet I see Taylor was really liked at Hamilton and by any players he has worked with. He left Hamilton to the disgust of a lot of fans but returned ten 10 days later as assistant coach and the fans seemed to be delighted to see him back and it made them more optimistic of strong finish to the SPL season. He was released though along with half the playing staff for cost cutting measures when Hamilton were relegated.

[Ezeikial]

:D
I'd say there'll be 4 or 5 loans in from England, but do the club lose them then in June? Surely no English club would risk making them play through the summer then back to their own league without burning them out. Can't help but feel that moving to Limerick isn't going to be that big of an attraction for players over there either.


This loan idea keeps getting floated - but there is very little history of loans from the UK, and for very good reason. Our rules demand that a loan deal must run (as a minimum) to the July window. It's far more attractive for a UK club to loan the player to a lower league club in the UK where shorter loan periods and short-notice recalls are possible. It gets even more unattractive for loans in the later part of the season as the player can't play competitively again in the UK till Jan.

There are many other reasons why it is unattractive to the UK club such as queries about training regime, medical / physio facilities, not to mention the logistical hassles attached to tracking the players progress.

[kingpin4]

This loan idea keeps getting floated - but there is very little history of loans from the UK, and for very good reason. Our rules demand that a loan deal must run (as a minimum) to the July window. It's far more attractive for a UK club to loan the player to a lower league club in the UK where shorter loan periods and short-notice recalls are possible. It gets even more unattractive for loans in the later part of the season as the player can't play competitively again in the UK till Jan.

There are many other reasons why it is unattractive to the UK club such as queries about training regime, medical / physio facilities, not to mention the logistical hassles attached to tracking the players progress.

That was what I was hinting towards in my post. If a UK player came here, you lose him in the middle of a season. And for what people say that it'd be more competitive for them to play regularly over here than in the reserves, I agree... But League of Ireland is probably around League Two standard in England, so an English team would surely rather to send one of their players to any of the leagues where you're gauranteed better facilities and the likes?
I think there would be something very dodgy looking to the rest of the league if Limerick announced 5 loan signings from England.

[jaorta]

[QUOTE=kingpin4;1653623]That was what I was hinting towards in my post.

Why would you be hinting towards anything in any post???Just come out and say what you have to say man
and stop being so childish!!!

[nigel-harps1954]

But League of Ireland is probably around League Two standard in England,

You've said this a few times now, and it still bemuses me.

First Division is probably lower League Two/Conference standard, but the Premier Division is of a much, much higher standard as is evident when teams who don't significantly higher the standard of their players tend to struggle to survive in the Premier.

Top half of the Premier Division is easily top of League One standard if not lower Championship standard. I understand Limerick have been gone from it for a long time, but don't underestimate how big the gulf is.

[Dodge]

Lads, none of you know anything about the new manager. Who are you trying to kid?

We'll find out soon enough

[kingpin4]

That was what I was hinting towards in my post.

Why would you be hinting towards anything in any post???Just come out and say what you have to say man
and stop being so childish!!!

:silly: I think the real question is, why would that wind you up so much?


You've said this a few times now, and it still bemuses me.

First Division is probably lower League Two/Conference standard, but the Premier Division is of a much, much higher standard as is evident when teams who don't significantly higher the standard of their players tend to struggle to survive in the Premier.

Top half of the Premier Division is easily top of League One standard if not lower Championship standard. I understand Limerick have been gone from it for a long time, but don't underestimate how big the gulf is.

No I havent, I'm pretty sure that's my first time ever saying it.
First division is the equivalent of non-league/ conference football over there. Go see a game and you will understand, bigger attendances than the majority of First Div teams, better stadiums than most and similar wages.
The premier division is miles away from League One or lower championship standard. I know everyone likes to talk up their own league, but like you said, don't underestimate how big the gulf is.
Gillingham or Port Vale would do a lot better in LOI than putting any of the Irish teams over to their league.
maybe, if you had your pick from the best players, best facilities and best manager/staff in the leagues, you could make a decent league two side, or lower league one side.

[Daydreamer]

lads there is a lot of Bickering going on , whoever it is hopefully they will play better football to suit our better players like gamble and Bradley etc and have the lads Fitter than last years group , Looking forward to seeing Limerick in Thomond against the likes of cork and sligo , beats watching Salthill Wex and Athlone etc

[Daydreamer]

Surprised Nobody has Mentioned this Guy , very good player for Limerick and has a lot of experience , also is uefa B qualified as well as the strnght and conditioning / sports science Background , would be great to fill a coaching role in some capacity either fitness or coach .

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[Sea Bird]

who is having the mare now?? please explain why i have had one?? you are trying to make yourself sound clever on this with stupid statements ie kerley and barrett wont know about league of ireland players when they have over 30years playing or coaching between them and now you are saying that a top premier loi side is only league two or lower?? all il say to that is shamrock rovers qualified for the europa league group stages last season and seamus coleman,kevin doyle,shane long,james mclean to name a few making regular places for themselves in the english premier league..can u name the players that have came from league two or lower and held down regular places in a premier league side?? i said it already you are a bluffer............ League of ireland premier is a lot higher standard than you give it credit for..

[KevB76]

First division is the equivalent of non-league/ conference football over there. Go see a game and you will understand, bigger attendances than the majority of First Div teams, better stadiums than most and similar wages.


Just on this, having been to two conference matches last week, I found the standard of football was well short of 1st Division. I'm talking defenders blindly hoofing balls as far away as they could, swinging and missing when trying to clear a ball under pressure, very poor decision making, outrageous tackles flying in, periods of extreme dullness during the matches (was still enjoyable to watch overall to be honest). Crowds were similar (around the 400-500 mark), stadium (this was a brand new stadium) was no different to many LOI grounds - couldnt tell you about the wages.

[osarusan]

Just on this, having been to two conference matches last week, I found the standard of football was well short of 1st Division. I'm talking defenders blindly hoofing balls as far away as they could, swinging and missing when trying to clear a ball under pressure, very poor decision making, outrageous tackles flying in, periods of extreme dullness during the matches (was still enjoyable to watch overall to be honest). Crowds were similar (around the 400-500 mark), stadium (this was a brand new stadium) was no different to many LOI grounds - couldnt tell you about the wages.

Less of your informed comment please.

[bluewhitearmy]

Surprised Nobody has Mentioned this Guy , very good player for Limerick and has a lot of experience , also is uefa B qualified as well as the strnght and conditioning / sports science Background , would be great to fill a coaching role in some capacity either fitness or coach .

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Blackburn, United Kingdom Sports
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Mentioned him for what?

[Charlie Darwin]

You lot are going to feel so silly when Sean Connor is formally unveiled.

[Daydreamer]

Mentioned him for what?

Fitness coach or coach as mentioned in the end of my previous post

[bluewhitearmy]

Fitness coach or coach as mentioned in the end of my previous post


I thought you were surprised he wasn't mentioned for manager and i was wondering did he not have to have a pro licence to be able to do that.

[kingpin4]

who is having the mare now?? please explain why i have had one?? you are trying to make yourself sound clever on this with stupid statements ie kerley and barrett wont know about league of ireland players when they have over 30years playing or coaching between them and now you are saying that a top premier loi side is only league two or lower?? all il say to that is shamrock rovers qualified for the europa league group stages last season and seamus coleman,kevin doyle,shane long,james mclean to name a few making regular places for themselves in the english premier league..can u name the players that have came from league two or lower and held down regular places in a premier league side?? i said it already you are a bluffer............ League of ireland premier is a lot higher standard than you give it credit for..

Alright Mike, relax.
I never said they didn't know anything. All I said was that you'd see the old limerick heads, like the 3 I mentioned, coming back. You can calm down now and stop getting so wound up.

We'll agree to disagree on the difference in standards, but I think there's a bit if bias towards LOI, where those English clubs are miles ahead. Rovers qualifying for the Europa league can't be used as a comparison because Port Vale can't qualify unless they are in the premiership or championship. Put Port Vale in LOI and they'd have just as good a chance at getting to Europe.

The Derek McCarthy thing might not be bad as a staff member. Any thoughts?

[nigel-harps1954]

Rovers qualifying for the Europa league can't be used as a comparison because Port Vale can't qualify unless they are in the premiership or championship. Put Port Vale in LOI and they'd have just as good a chance at getting to Europe.

Port Vale could win the FA cup? Wouldn't that get them into Europe?

[Jofspring]

Port Vale could win the FA cup? Wouldn't that get them into Europe?

Or progress up the leagues.

On the whole league one/league two and LOI comparison, I don't think it can be done.

For example a strong Shamrock Rovers or Sligo would easily hold there own in around the top of league one/bottom of the championship but as you go further down the league table i.e Dundalk last year then they would be struggling in league two and most likely be relegated over the course of a season in it. It's not as straight forward as saying the LOI premier is championship/league one standard etc..

How many players get signed from League Two teams to Premier League teams? Very few I'd say and less again From The likes of league two go to premier league teams and become regulars or progress to international standard. Were as the record in the league of Ireland in recent years has been fairly impressive, Keith Fahey, Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, Seamus Coleman, Enda Stevens, Wes Hoolahan, James McClean, David Meyler and probably a few more I'm missing out on.

[lawman]

The Derek McCarthy thing might not be bad as a staff member. Any thoughts?

and how much do you think it would cost per week to have him leave his current job and uproot to come and settle in Limerick?

[Targetman]

http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/soccer/foley-urges-limerick-fc-to-get-a-move-on-1-4658636

Some more fantastic reporting from the Leader. "Foley says that Shaun Kelly, Joe Gamble (http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/soccer/foley-urges-limerick-fc-to-get-a-move-on-1-4658636#), Stephen Bradley and Garbhan Coughlan are the only other players contracted for next season. That means that players like Pat Purcell, David O’Leary, Brian O’Callaghan, Denis Behan, Shane Tracey, Rory Gaffney, Stephen Maher and Stephen O’Flynn are all out of contract at the moment" :rolleyes:

[Daydreamer]

Defo agree lads great to get in as sports scientist , at least he can relate to what its like to play , a lot of these guys dont know whether a ball is pumped or stuffed and limerick did look unfit for practically a full time squad last year ,

[kingpin4]

Defo agree lads great to get in as sports scientist , at least he can relate to what its like to play , a lot of these guys dont know whether a ball is pumped or stuffed and limerick did look unfit for practically a full time squad last year ,

From talking to one of the players, he said the one that's there is pretty good. "Just look at how fit Paddy Purcell has gotten" were his exact words. Also, they only trained twice a week, so pretty much part time.
But I wouldn't mind seeing Derek there as a first team coach or something. Think he'd be pretty decent.
Then again though, it might cost a good bit to bring him in.

That Limerick Leader article is a joke...how can a local paper be so out of touch like that?

[bluewhitearmy]

http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/soccer/foley-urges-limerick-fc-to-get-a-move-on-1-4658636

Some more fantastic reporting from the Leader. "Foley says that Shaun Kelly, Joe Gamble (http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/soccer/foley-urges-limerick-fc-to-get-a-move-on-1-4658636#), Stephen Bradley and Garbhan Coughlan are the only other players contracted for next season. That means that players like Pat Purcell, David O’Leary, Brian O’Callaghan, Denis Behan, Shane Tracey, Rory Gaffney, Stephen Maher and Stephen O’Flynn are all out of contract at the moment" :rolleyes:

What makes it worseis that Steve McGann and James McGrath are signed up too.


Defo agree lads great to get in as sports scientist , at least he can relate to what its like to play , a lot of these guys dont know whether a ball is pumped or stuffed and limerick did look unfit for practically a full time squad last year ,

How were they practically full time though? They only trained 3 days a week or something?

[Daydreamer]

Ya thats my point only twice or three times a week when not many of them are working , they will need to train more for the premier , also dont think sports scientist can take credit for paddy as he has been lean for 3 or 4 yrs now and heard from players that the guy only ever took the lads who were injured or out of the squad for laps , think derek would be ideal to do a double job , first team coach / strenght and conditioning etc , i know a few lads that know the guy and they said him and mick shiel did not have a clue , were just yes men which is fair enough if you want to keep your job , usually the whole back room staff clear out when a manager goes so hopefully a whole new back room staff are appointed if only to freshen things up , come on limerick whoever is there lets get behind them

[bluewhitearmy]

Ya thats my point only twice or three times a week when not many of them are working , they will need to train more for the premier , also dont think sports scientist can take credit for paddy as he has been lean for 3 or 4 yrs now and heard from players that the guy only ever took the lads who were injured or out of the squad for laps , think derek would be ideal to do a double job , first team coach / strenght and conditioning etc , i know a few lads that know the guy and they said him and mick shiel did not have a clue , were just yes men which is fair enough if you want to keep your job , usually the whole back room staff clear out when a manager goes so hopefully a whole new back room staff are appointed if only to freshen things up , come on limerick whoever is there lets get behind them


Seen him loads of times with lads that were in the starting team doing all different things in the gym.

[Jofspring]

It seems like they have basically copied the write up I was told was in the Star yesterday about Foley saying the club need to get a move on and that they really don't have a clue what is going on the club when they mentioned players that have been gone over a year, failing to mention other players that have re-signed.

Good news though that Foley is staying on. I think his experience will stand to us in the Premier as he seems (barr a few injuries) to be still fitter than a lot of lads.

On Purcells fitness, didn't he go out himself running to get himself fit? If players are going to be playing premier they need to have an attitude like that regardless of how many times a week the team trains. Gamble is another one who even when there isn't training with the team is out training himself or running, although in fairness he is full time.

Derek would be great to get in but he may not be interested and it could be change for the sake of change.

A lot of people are also talking about the players we need to hold onto from last year. We can't forget that there are some players that may not be able to commit to the extra training etc… also which is another reason we may lose them or that they may decide to part with the club.

[Daydreamer]

Good point on the players a coach or sports scientist can only do so much , players got to do it themselves , just think derek would be better than all the other guys mentioned having experience in england and being local

[kingpin4]

he has been lean for 3 or 4 yrs now and heard from players that the guy only ever took the lads who were injured or out of the squad for laps

2009 he was still wearing the knee brace and fairly pudgy... I didn't notice how fit he was starting to look til the end of the 2010 season. I think he came in round then because I remember someone I know got introduced to him at training 1 day.
I don't know any of the work he does, and if he is just a yes man then he should be handed his p.45 as well.

Anyone know what the story with the press conference is? Can anyone go?

[Jofspring]

Ya it wasn't till the start of the 2011 season where Purcell started looking in top shape. The last two seasons then he has been one of the fittest players in the team and probably been in the best shape of his career or at least since he was a youngfella.

[Daydreamer]

Ya agree that he should go if he is a yes man but maybe they will have to stick with the clueless lad if they cant get macarth, mac for the double job i reckon , save money for players then

[Jofspring]

Ya agree that he should go if he is a yes man but maybe they will have to stick with the clueless lad if they cant get macarth, mac for the double job i reckon , save money for players then

But haven't the lads said they have heard good things about him?

[bluewhitearmy]

Ya agree that he should go if he is a yes man but maybe they will have to stick with the clueless lad if they cant get macarth, mac for the double job i reckon , save money for players then


Do you know anything about him to call him clueless though? Seems harsh to me.

[Daydreamer]

Just what a couple of the players said , king pin might know more although he said the players say he is good, the few i spoke to said that he that he is poor but like everything its about opinions some players will like some coaches staff members etc , anyway its irrelevant a new manager might bring in somebody else or give that guy more control etc , appoint a manager and coach more important , my point being that macarthy could do both assistant, coach /sports scientist and at least we all know that he knows football

[bluewhitearmy]

Just what a couple of the players said , king pin might know more although he said the players say he is good, the few i spoke to said that he that he is poor but like everything its about opinions some players will like some coaches staff members etc , anyway its irrelevant a new manager might bring in somebody else or give that guy more control etc , appoint a manager and coach more important , my point being that macarthy could do both assistant, coach /sports scientist and at least we all know that he knows football


Id love to have Derek involved in some way at the club unfortunately i cant see it happening though. He would be some man to have teaching young strikers thats for sure.

[harpin]

Jesus this thread is going ar*seways.

I don't know what the Sport Scientist guy does but he's useless....yep that makes sense
Let's get Derek the Sport Scientist in he must be better....yep makes sense as well

Nonsense

[Daydreamer]

Sorry did not mean to touch a nerve lad , my main point is mc carthy would be great to have in as he knows what it takes from a player , coach and sports science side of things and would save money on an extra person and that spare money could go towards playing staff , think thats a fair point to be honest , saves money on appointing someone like barrett or kerley , makes sense to me

[kingpin4]

Just what a couple of the players said , king pin might know more although he said the players say he is good, the few i spoke to said that he that he is poor but like everything its about opinions some players will like some coaches staff members etc , anyway its irrelevant a new manager might bring in somebody else or give that guy more control etc , appoint a manager and coach more important , my point being that macarthy could do both assistant, coach /sports scientist and at least we all know that he knows football

Honestly, I don't know much more. Just the lads I spoke to have all spoke very highly of him. They say he was the main guy behind Purcell getting fit. Said he just stays in the background. It's all much of a muchness anyway, I don't think having a better or worse sports scientist will make that much of a difference to a teams play and if taylor doesn't like him anyway, like the rest of the staff, he'll just show him the door.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Can we talk about the manager vacancy now?

Is the announcement today or tomorrow, because I've heard declarations of both?