Cork AUL 2012/13

[Triggs]

Happened to be involved in a conversation last weekend about the state of football on the northside of our city. Before I go on this is not having a go of anyone or any club. It's simply calling it as it is. In the Premier League we have only 2 teams from the Northside in Blarney Street and Castleview. Both these teams have been very disappointing this season and are now involved in a relegation battle with Castleview almost certainly gone. In Premier A we have 5 teams with Glen Celtic A the only team challenging for the league. Grattan, Blackstone, Bohs and Leeds are all at the wrong end of the table. So out of the top 2 leagues in AUL football there are 7 teams with only 1 challenging.
In the MSL it's the same. In the premier we have Rockmount, St Mary's and Mayfield. Rockmount were challenging some bit but are probably gone now and both St Mary's and Mayfield are in a relegation battle too. In MSL 1st div Leeds are up there challenging but again Castleview are at the wrong end of the table. So from the top MSL leagues we have 5 teams with only 1 challenging for the league.
Is there a reason for this or is it normal. With so many teams involved surely they should be more challenging. Any one else got an opinion on it. This is not a Northside/Southside thing. When discussing this we only looked at Northside teams. I have no idea if its better or worse on the the other side of the river

[greengrass]

Happened to be involved in a conversation last weekend about the state of football on the northside of our city. Before I go on this is not having a go of anyone or any club. It's simply calling it as it is. In the Premier League we have only 2 teams from the Northside in Blarney Street and Castleview. Both these teams have been very disappointing this season and are now involved in a relegation battle with Castleview almost certainly gone. In Premier A we have 5 teams with Glen Celtic A the only team challenging for the league. Grattan, Blackstone, Bohs and Leeds are all at the wrong end of the table. So out of the top 2 leagues in AUL football there are 7 teams with only 1 challenging.
In the MSL it's the same. In the premier we have Rockmount, St Mary's and Mayfield. Rockmount were challenging some bit but are probably gone now and both St Mary's and Mayfield are in a relegation battle too. In MSL 1st div Leeds are up there challenging but again Castleview are at the wrong end of the table. So from the top MSL leagues we have 5 teams with only 1 challenging for the league.
Is there a reason for this or is it normal. With so many teams involved surely they should be more challenging. Any one else got an opinion on it. This is not a Northside/Southside thing. When discussing this we only looked at Northside teams. I have no idea if its better or worse on the the other side of the river

Too many cooks spoil the broth maybe.
Your taking all this on 1 season though?

[Triggs]

Too many cooks spoil the broth maybe.
Your taking all this on 1 season though?
ya to be fair it is only going on the facts and the tables this season. I know teams and clubs will come and go in phases, just thought it was a bit worrying that there is no Northside team challenging on the Premier and only 1 out of 5 in the Premier A. Not really bothered about MSL to be honest

[oldlegs]

Of the teams ou mentioned in aul from northside how many of them have a youth system ? I don't know myself . You need players coming through every year be it only 1 or 2 or things get stale . Not a pop off any club in prem but I could nearly name and pick must clubs starting 11 as teams haven't changed much in last few years bar Coachford this year and the clubs that went up this year. Squads need to be freshened up players looking over there shoulders etc and so forth not a pop but just something I have noticed over the years

[old-head]

Happened to be involved in a conversation last weekend about the state of football on the northside of our city. Before I go on this is not having a go of anyone or any club. It's simply calling it as it is. In the Premier League we have only 2 teams from the Northside in Blarney Street and Castleview. Both these teams have been very disappointing this season and are now involved in a relegation battle with Castleview almost certainly gone. In Premier A we have 5 teams with Glen Celtic A the only team challenging for the league. Grattan, Blackstone, Bohs and Leeds are all at the wrong end of the table. So out of the top 2 leagues in AUL football there are 7 teams with only 1 challenging.
In the MSL it's the same. In the premier we have Rockmount, St Mary's and Mayfield. Rockmount were challenging some bit but are probably gone now and both St Mary's and Mayfield are in a relegation battle too. In MSL 1st div Leeds are up there challenging but again Castleview are at the wrong end of the table. So from the top MSL leagues we have 5 teams with only 1 challenging for the league.
Is there a reason for this or is it normal. With so many teams involved surely they should be more challenging. Any one else got an opinion on it. This is not a Northside/Southside thing. When discussing this we only looked at Northside teams. I have no idea if its better or worse on the the other side of the river

IMO this tends to go in cycles and it depends when you look at the tables. For instance last year I'm nearly sure that the top 4 in the MSL Premier was Avondale, Rockmount, Mayfield & Marys!! Big turn around this year. Also last year Blarney St were doing quite well in the AUL Prem and probably finished in the TOP 4. I do think there are probably too many teams in the Northside at AUL level and they probably take from each other. Not the same competition for the likes of Coachford, Park, Kilumney. In terms of existing solid underage structure on the Northside I can think of Rockmount, Castleview, Marys, Temple, Leeds & Mayfield (sorry if I've left someone out) who are all MSL. I don't think any of the AUL sides mentioned has an underage set up, again I'm open to correction...

[our_ball_ref]

Northside teams will always struggle and continue to struggle purely over the number of teams off the top of my head Bohs, Blarney Street, castleview both teams, rockmount both teams Mary's both teams mayfields both teams, blackstone, fairview, Leeds both teams, the glen both teams, village, dillons cross, grattan, Knocknaheeny Celtic, Glenvale, Shandon, cathedral Celtic, central rovers, Blackpool Celtic, that's almost 30 teams off the top of my head I'm nearly certain there is more, and that's all prob within 5-6 miles on each other even less, then take into consideration the GAA clubs up here aswell, and players that travel outside the local clubs to play With Killumney or Coachford, if the best was picked from all them things and its been widely predicted for a while a manger is gonna try and do that then I'd he does it and I mean IF!! there will be one very very very good team up the northside next year and who knows what they will achieve

[tricksey]

Oldlegs hows yer pitch looking think our game will go ahead?

[downthewing]

Any news on condition of pitches for the weekend any games called off especially in prem and prem a

[oldlegs]

Oldlegs hows yer pitch looking think our game will go ahead?

Pitch is good to take the rain I'll be going up later to have a look and line it but as far as I know theirs about 2 feet of grass on pitch as haven't had the weather to cut it hopefully will get a chance to do it ;)

[1fortheTeam]

Northside teams will always struggle and continue to struggle purely over the number of teams off the top of my head Bohs, Blarney Street, castleview both teams, rockmount both teams Mary's both teams mayfields both teams, blackstone, fairview, Leeds both teams, the glen both teams, village, dillons cross, grattan, Knocknaheeny Celtic, Glenvale, Shandon, cathedral Celtic, central rovers, Blackpool Celtic, that's almost 30 teams off the top of my head I'm nearly certain there is more, and that's all prob within 5-6 miles on each other even less, then take into consideration the GAA clubs up here aswell, and players that travel outside the local clubs to play With Killumney or Coachford, if the best was picked from all them things and its been widely predicted for a while a manger is gonna try and do that then I'd he does it and I mean IF!! there will be one very very very good team up the northside next year and who knows what they will achieveits only 1 season after the last 3 going over to msl and next year might tell alot but on northside teams new seasons new teams and most wont have youths but my self and the people at the street will build a team and a squad with a long term view to things we will do it the right way but the players must come 1st and if you play the right way and are challanging for cups and leagues then things fall into place .

[killer"B"]

lads there a Monsoon of rain due 2morrow we will know more then about games id say you would never think it with the day were having 2day :cool:

[Long ball willy]

So what's the best game to go tomorrow lads

[tricksey]

Pitch is good to take the rain I'll be going up later to have a look and line it but as far as I know theirs about 2 feet of grass on pitch as haven't had the weather to cut it hopefully will get a chance to do it ;)
Good man with a bit of luck now the rain will hold off till 5 o clock tomorow cause in fairness the sun is shining all day :)

[Horse24]

Didnt Littleman say last year, 22 junior sides from Apple to Mayfield? Its funny how on the Southside, you seem to be one or the other - Everton or Greenwood for example!! Though Kilreen and Casement swapped chunks of players. Is it possible to have a strong Kilreen and a strong Casement? I dunno where Perse fit in - probably more Everton connections.

It may come down to forcing teams to merge because no guy wants to be the guy who turned out the lights on 20/30 or evn 40 years of a club...and rightly so.

Underage is the way to go, but starting at Under 5, not U18. ballyvolane brought in a Youths side but were gone 3 years later.

[Horse24]

Monsoon from 8am for two days.................but the lady on RTE said it was positive cos its gonna be warm rain!!

[Just my opinion]

Building for the future 1for? The main problem I see with this is most seasons players swap clubs wholesale up the northside. Not just in the AUL but MSL also. No loyalty there.

[Just my opinion]

Ya that's what I'm saying. It's impossible to build for the future without a strong underage section. That way it may be possible to get some loyalty outta players. Blarney St will no doubt pull aload of players in next season but for how long? When I played you bust your gut to get into a team. Now however players just change clubs.

[1fortheTeam]

i completely agree, in the aul northside teams just move in cycles - villa, grattan, blarney st, glen etc etc. im not sure if there is much the clubs can do about it as it seems if a manager or player decides to leave he takes half a team with him so its a continuous cycle.cant stop a person making friends kid or a manager trusting players he knows and trust there.s always one or 2 .players respond to guys they like to play for simple.

[Just my opinion]

Ya but its the clubs that suffer. No manager or player is bigger than any club. It's no wonder clubs are folding

[1fortheTeam]

Building for the future 1for? The main problem I see with this is most seasons players swap clubs wholesale up the northside. Not just in the AUL but MSL also. No loyalty there.loyaltys in football and success dont mix im not one for puting a guy in the team just because he,s there every week pays script every week and cant kick a ball you know the type.dont get me wrong fellas must pay but some guys with 2 left legs think because they have ther in.

[oldlegs]

That's harsh 1for I always pay my script and only have a left leg. Up in Douglas 4 1 to kilreenat halftime

[killer"B"]

That's harsh 1for I always pay my script and only have a left leg. Up in Douglas 4 1 to kilreenat halftime
4 1 at kilreen jesus kilreen not at the races

[oldlegs]

Kilreen up 4 1 KillerB

[oldlegs]

Make it 5 1

[Just my opinion]

That's a shock old legs. I know Kilreen are a quality outfit but Douglas Hall very solid at home. They seem to be slipping of late though. Alot of rain due tomorrow. Hopefully wont come til the afternoon so we get a few games on

[Just my opinion]

I know what you're saying 1f but personally if a player was that bad I wouldn't sign him or take his insurance or script. Wouldn't be fair on him. But I disagree on loyalty. No club can survive without good clubmen and committees. Just an example off the top of my head. Grattan looked like they were in serious trouble. Most clubs would have folded in their situation, losing so many players etc, but I know they have some very loyal men behind them. That and players staying loyal to their club help build success. It's very easy to get 11-16 great players in for a year or so and win trophies but what happens when these players, who have no loyalty for the club, decide to go elsewhere???

[1fortheTeam]

Make it 5 1imo thats not harsh at all no point in making a fool of a lad either and i agre no one man bigger than the club he is with .i know a player who would walk in to any team in cork is first up with script..lines the pitch and hangs nets thats the kind of lad you want in your club no premadonna ther.

[Just my opinion]

My point exactly redandwhite. No player or manager is bigger than any club!! Hopefully we can get back to those days. It's a pity that clubs try to chase the "quick fix" method for a season and then fall apart when someone who brings in 4/5/6 players gets a better offer and all head for pastures new! That's why I said as far as I'm concerned "loyalty" is a big thing! I do believe that it's time both the Cork AUL and MSL merge and create a real force here. There is certainly the talent from what I've seen the past few seasons. Like my name says its "just my opinion"!

[oldlegs]

That's very harsh RedandWhite from what I've seen of Blarney Street since his taken them over they are playing better nice movement and faster pace they are short a few players but with a few signings he will have a fine team. Bit mean to speak of ego's etc etc genuine football man in my view yes of course his going to look after his own interest's isn't that what we'd all do. You think that no other manager that has left a club and went to another doesn't bring in some of his own players . I say all the best to Blarney and 1for be great for the game if he can put the squad he wants together .

[1fortheTeam]

I know what you're saying 1f but personally if a player was that bad I wouldn't sign him or take his insurance or script. Wouldn't be fair on him. But I disagree on loyalty. No club can survive without good clubmen and committees. Just an example off the top of my head. Grattan looked like they were in serious trouble. Most clubs would have folded in their situation, losing so many players etc, but I know they have some very loyal men behind them. That and players staying loyal to their club help build success. It's very easy to get 11-16 great players in for a year or so and win trophies but what happens when these players, who have no loyalty for the club, decide to go elsewhere???grattan is a club i watched a lot bud in fact im related to the pop and my dad was a founding member .and just to let people know this and my last job is not a 1 man show i draw on people when i manage so not much of an ego to satisfy .but i do want and like a nice footballing team that will be respected and contend.

[Just my opinion]

Well I used Grattan as an example. But I believe that only for their very strong committee they would have folded like villa and many others. Like I said 1for no player or manager is bigger than any club. Look at glen from last year. Done the treble and then 3 players go to Coachford. I wish Coachford all the best. I believe they've a serious squad. It's not all about ball. Need to dig in at times too.

[Long ball willy]

It's grand getting this player and that player but from what they have on goal blarney st they won't keep out much

[our_ball_ref]

Every manager that takes over a new team at all levels right through to pro back down to amateur looks to put his own stamp on things and bring the players he wants, I'm sure if you asked the Blarney St more experienced players like babsy and judge and JP Thompson who have been there a very long time if they are happy 1for is there and with the players he's talking about signing they will say there delighted and will be delighted aswell with the players being linked with the club for next season. To say there is no loyalty anymore is a bit harsh I think.. Babsy, JP Thompson, Laurence Betts, Danny Quinlan, are just a few players with Blarney St an awfully long time right back to when they were 1st division, Colin Bevan and Ivan Bevan at Blackstone, Jim O Brien Gary I Mahony at Bohs, Nearly the entire Killumney Squad have been together since eoin took over, I think there is loyalty in football and if you go through all clubs youd get the same 8-9 or 10 people who are always there and some come and some go,it's just every team in every level of the game NEEDS to bring in new players every year an manager bring who they like that's just the nature of our game.

[our_ball_ref]

And loyalty works both ways too not just from the players, 1for won a treble and was shafted and the way littleman was treated at grattan wasn't right either, and again that goes for professionals aswell, Adkins was doing well at Southampton and was flung out the door and look at Chelsea?? Ridiculous carry on, nature of our game people will continue to come and go and that's that.

[tricksey]

It's grand getting this player and that player but from what they have on goal blarney st they won't keep out much
The blarney st s keeper have you ever seen him play ? I doubt it if that's your view he's one of the best around

[1fortheTeam]

The blarney st s keeper have you ever seen him play ? I doubt it if that's your view he's one of the best aroundwell tricks we used a full back on goal v pearse crow is the number 1 at the moment in cork bar none as you know all keepers drop a clanger now and then our number 1 who is a very good keeper is out so it is what it is on loyalty as our ball says look at the names in his post all are top blokes .i had no window bud if i had dean kelly would be a glactico;).

[Just my opinion]

Ya i just used Grattan as an example. I don't know the full ins and outs to be honest. I just know they've good people behind the scenes putting the time and effort in for the sake of the club. The premiership is just gone mad. Too much money!! But in fairness the glen had their reasons. The weather looks like games are gonna suffer. Can't see teams willing to put their pitch out for weeks

[1fortheTeam]

It's grand getting this player and that player but from what they have on goal blarney st they won't keep out muchthere playing well at the moment quiet well in fact and we wernt geting much in the way of luck the lads just got on with it there,s a good bunch there and some fab players.lads will any games go ahead.

[Take-a-bow]

Great result for kilreen last night,serious title contenders to win it!so what's the fixture of the day?

[oldlegs]

Knockavilla Pearse game off due to water on pitch .

[tricksey]

well tricks we used a full back on goal v pearse crow is the number 1 at the moment in cork bar none as you know all keepers drop a clanger now and then our number 1 who is a very good keeper is out so it is what it is on loyalty as our ball says look at the names in his post all are top blokes .i had no window bud if i had dean kelly would be a glactico;).
Now now 1for deans a pearse player

[1fortheTeam]

Now now 1for deans a pearse playergame off for you today tricks you need the old wd40 for the rust next week we hope lol we know he,s your player bud but i was told i have 40 biros in me pocket last week so iv a lot of ink to use end of season ha ha ;);).

[Radiostar]

Watched Kilreen last night, they'll take some stopping, super team.
Is there any games on today?

[tricksey]

game off for you today tricks you need the old wd40 for the rust next week we hope lol we know he,s your player bud but i was told i have 40 biros in me pocket last week so iv a lot of ink to use end of season ha ha ;);).
We're playing Tuesday do we won't be that rusty !
I hope that you can hold onto what you have after your 40signings you never keep um all happy lol

[1fortheTeam]

We're playing Tuesday do we won't be that rusty !
I hope that you can hold onto what you have after your 40signings you never keep um all happy lol
ohh do you thanks kid must have you watched lol this is all banter tricks kid so until some plug cant see the funny side of this we carry on people actually do believe what posted on here apart from the results i take with a pinch of salf and try get the odd adantage .who you playing tues and where kid.

[tricksey]

ohh do you thanks kid must have you watched lol this is all banter tricks kid so until some plug cant see the funny side of this we carry on people actually do believe what posted on here apart from the results i take with a pinch of salf and try get the odd adantage .who you playing tues and where kid.
Killumney tues night not sure where .
Is crow injured or was he just missing against Lakewood I seen the picture on the star and Molly was on goal?
Of course you have to take things lightly on here
I heard nala got a goal of the century contender last night

[K.C.]

All nalas goals are goals of the century contender tricks.

[tricksey]

All nalas goals are goals of the century contender tricks.
I heard off his teammate this was different gravy kc

[1fortheTeam]

All nalas goals are goals of the century contender tricks.tricks know who the top goalgetters are sure dont he have a pain in his back after them lol ..that guy nala must be well in the golden boot kilreen playing well all season it has to be the glen or them as champs.

[Just my opinion]

Kilreen will def win it. They are flying in fairness. Way stronger than the Glen