View Full Version : FAI seek Derry exemption
Bohs11
27/01/2012, 5:30 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0127/1224310808680.html
"Gavin also confirmed the league expects word from Uefa in the coming weeks on whether it has been successful in obtaining an exemption for Derry City from the rule that only clubs whose parent company has been trading for three years can enter European competition. If Uefa say no then Bohemians will take the club’s place in the Europa League."
Derry broke the rules. And yet the FAI are seeking to reward them for this. What precedent does it set for clubs like Bray and UCD which are well run don't go over budget yet don't have the success of other clubs because they follow the rules?
redobit
27/01/2012, 5:37 PM
Londonderry dont have a team in the LOI tho
pineapple stu
27/01/2012, 5:39 PM
I like the way Bohs could be the ones to benefit. Kind of highlights how the LoI never learns.
D24Saint
27/01/2012, 5:52 PM
crazy world where bankrupt bohs who have been totally reckless the last few season could benefit from this.
gufc2000
27/01/2012, 5:59 PM
Great to see that our wonderful association continue to move the goalposts as they please. Going out of their way for some, and not giving two hoots about others.
BohsFans
27/01/2012, 6:06 PM
I like the way Bohs could be the ones to benefit. Kind of highlights how the LoI never learns.
At least it won't be UCD! :)
couldn't care either way tbh
pineapple stu
27/01/2012, 6:11 PM
Londonderry dont have a team in the LOI tho
Yeah, OP edited. And I've no idea what an Excemption is, and how you'd try to lure it.
Couldn't care either way tbh
You couldn't care if you get into Europe?
Wow.
Sam_Heggy
27/01/2012, 7:09 PM
Derry 1st of all get to walk away from huge debts, allowed bypass the A League, keep the same crest, history and name of old club and now the FAI are trying to get them into Europe despite the rules set down.
Great week for the FAI.
btw, if it had of been Cork in this position they would have done the same thing but it still stinks.
Great to see that our wonderful association continue to move the goalposts as they please. Going out of their way for some, and not giving two hoots about others.
We should make a DVD about it.
CrowdedHouse
27/01/2012, 7:55 PM
...and set fire to it with petrol
A face
27/01/2012, 9:08 PM
...and set fire to it with petrol
Good come back it has to be said ;)
CSFShels
27/01/2012, 9:28 PM
Disgraceful behaviour from the FAI. Why should anyone bother to play by the rules if this is how the FAI treat you when you blatantly disregard them?
PartySaint
27/01/2012, 10:16 PM
They also let Fingal into Europe, was there such uproar then??
A face
27/01/2012, 10:40 PM
They also let Fingal into Europe, was there such uproar then??
Ah well, there's a precedent been set now so its a non issue ..... case closed
gufc2000
27/01/2012, 10:55 PM
They also let Fingal into Europe, was there such uproar then??
Technically Fingal were founded in 2007, and entered the Europa League in 2010, so maybe that's why. Clutching at straws but probably an excuse the FAI would be happy to provide
citybone
27/01/2012, 11:59 PM
I would say that Derry would do a lot better in Europe than bohs and that would help our coefficients which if prob more important to the FAI
Nah Nah Nah Nah
28/01/2012, 12:27 AM
I would say that Derry would do a lot better in Europe than bohs and that would help our coefficients which if prob more important to the FAI
The FAI couldn't give a toss about the coefficient I would say
PartySaint
28/01/2012, 1:48 AM
Ah well, there's a precedent been set now so its a non issue ..... case closed
Just pointing out people didn't have an issue with it then
Good come back it has to be said ;)
Cork fans know all about come backs it has to be said ;)
You couldn't care if you get into Europe?
Wow.
it would be really nice just not really necessary. Derry earned it but dont deserve it (not saying we necessarily do either).
btw, if it had of been Cork in this position they would have done the same thing but it still stinks.
If it was us this year, then we'd be eligible normally, as our parent company was trading a year before we took over the club, so we have the 3 years accounts. Not all that relevant though!
But yeah, as much as I'd take it happily as a fan, as an organisation I don't think the FAI should be going out of their way to do this.
osarusan
28/01/2012, 3:31 AM
They also let Fingal into Europe, was there such uproar then??
There is a bit of a difference between a club that's just new and a club that went bust leaving serious debts and got thrown out of the league.
sullanefc
28/01/2012, 8:49 AM
There is a bit of a difference between a club that's just new and a club that went bust leaving serious debts and got thrown out of the league.
Wasn't that the old Derry City? The new Derry City are the ones we are discussing, the club that the FAI is trying to help get into Europe.
bullit
28/01/2012, 9:03 AM
Wasn't that the old Derry City? The new Derry City are the ones we are discussing, the club that the FAI is trying to help get into Europe.
And you from were ??
horton
28/01/2012, 11:13 AM
There is a bit of a difference between a club that's just new and a club that went bust leaving serious debts and got thrown out of the league.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but is there not a little bit of anger thrown our way because we bounced back straight away? People seemed to expect we'd be in the 1st Div for a few years like Shels before we'd return, but as we got back on the first go our "punishment" wasn't severe enough for some?
bluewhitearmy
28/01/2012, 11:19 AM
Maybe I'm wrong here, but is there not a little bit of anger thrown our way because we bounced back straight away? People seemed to expect we'd be in the 1st Div for a few years like Shels before we'd return, but as we got back on the first go our "punishment" wasn't severe enough for some?
I seem to remember people saying the opposite at the time....
legendz
28/01/2012, 4:01 PM
crazy world where bankrupt bohs who have been totally reckless the last few season could benefit from this.
They did well in last year's league when many, myself included, thought they would've struggled and done well to avoid relegation. They finished a comfortable nine points ahead of the team next below them.
It's better for the league if Derry do get the nod to partake in Europe. The league in terms of the coefficient needs it's best clubs in Europe.
Charlie Darwin
28/01/2012, 7:08 PM
it would be really nice just not really necessary. Derry earned it but dont deserve it (not saying we necessarily do either).
What's the distinction between earning something and deserving it?
What's the distinction between earning something and deserving it?
have you heard the saying "respect is not deserved, it is earned"? It is a moral distinction in the case of my post. They earned the points to be in Europe but their breach of the rules could lead some to believe that they dont deserve it. Pretty straightforward i would have thought.
Charlie Darwin
28/01/2012, 7:55 PM
I don't think that phrase means what you're saying it does. It means something is only deserved when it has been earned. If they got an unfair advantage from breaking the rules then they haven't earned their spot.
no i didnt use the phrase to back up my point of view, just to point out that there is a conceptual difference between earning and deserving which is what you asked. That's all. No big deal. Not interested in getting into an in-depth argument about my use of english on this thread. If you would like to carry it on lets take it to PM or the off topic forum.
passerrby
28/01/2012, 8:14 PM
No Horton its more than that when you were found to have broken the rules the fai made every effort to ensure you returned to the premier as soon as possible , and that was there only priority .
Had that been most other clubs there feet would not have touched , they would have been out on the street bag and baggage.
Charlie Darwin
28/01/2012, 9:20 PM
no i didnt use the phrase to back up my point of view, just to point out that there is a conceptual difference between earning and deserving which is what you asked. That's all. No big deal. Not interested in getting into an in-depth argument about my use of english on this thread. If you would like to carry it on lets take it to PM or the off topic forum.
Ha, OK I still don't think there is a difference. I reckon they deserve their European spot on merit but I can see why it'd be more important for UEFA to enforce its rules strictly.
sadloserkid
28/01/2012, 9:47 PM
Maybe I'm wrong here, but is there not a little bit of anger thrown our way because we bounced back straight away? People seemed to expect we'd be in the 1st Div for a few years like Shels before we'd return, but as we got back on the first go our "punishment" wasn't severe enough for some?
I thought that an inability to compete in Europe was part of the punishment? I like Derry but would sort of like to see rules enforced somewhere too, who knows, our own shower of pirates might learn something from UEFA.
pineapple stu
28/01/2012, 9:57 PM
it would be really nice just not really necessary. Derry earned it but dont deserve it (not saying we necessarily do either).
But for a club in such dire financial straits, can ye really afford to be so meh on qualifying for Europe?
but its almost entirely out of our hands. I think we're all saying we'd like to take part in the Europa League but let the chips fall where they may, i dont think its worth fighting or campaigning particularly strongly for and potentially running foul of Derry and the FAI's wishes over 60k when we owe ZB and others a number of millions. And i think if we were kicking and screaming about it we'd be criticised by all and sundry for that too so meh. Its UEFAs decision at the end of the day.
Mr_Parker
29/01/2012, 10:57 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0127/1224310808680.html
"Gavin also confirmed the league expects word from Uefa in the coming weeks on whether it has been successful in obtaining an exemption for Derry City from the rule that only clubs whose parent company has been trading for three years can enter European competition. If Uefa say no then Bohemians will take the club’s place in the Europa League."
Derry broke the rules. And yet the FAI are seeking to reward them for this. What precedent does it set for clubs like Bray and UCD which are well run don't go over budget yet don't have the success of other clubs because they follow the rules?
Could be interesting to a few clubs up North....
BulmersKid
29/01/2012, 2:03 PM
But yeah, as much as I'd take it happily as a fan, as an organisation I don't think the FAI should be going out of their way to do this.
Why not?
As a memeber of any organistation, I Would expect that orgainsation to represent me to the best of their ability.
Anyway, this to me looks like the FAI getting someone else to do the dirty work. I can't see UEFA going aginst their own rules and FAI can come away and say they did their best.
They have job to represent the League of Ireland clubs at UEFA, eheather we think what they are doing is right or wrong.
nigel-harps1954
29/01/2012, 4:10 PM
Why not?
As a memeber of any organistation, I Would expect that orgainsation to represent me to the best of their ability.
Anyway, this to me looks like the FAI getting someone else to do the dirty work. I can't see UEFA going aginst their own rules and FAI can come away and say they did their best.
They have job to represent the League of Ireland clubs at UEFA, eheather we think what they are doing is right or wrong.
But first and foremost they have to stick to rules and precedents sent down by themselves when dealing out punishment to a club.
sadloserkid
29/01/2012, 4:40 PM
They have job to represent the League of Ireland clubs at UEFA, eheather we think what they are doing is right or wrong.
How does fighting for Derry City's right to play in Europe represent the other clubs in the league (possible impact on coefficient aside)?
dcfc_1928
29/01/2012, 5:50 PM
As far as I know it's up to the national association to nominate who represents them in Europe, the clubs don't deal directly with UEFA
If Derry City have asked the FAI to help put their case forward then, as the national association, surely it's up to the FAI to do that?
How does fighting for Derry City's right to play in Europe represent the other clubs in the league (possible impact on coefficient aside)?
MagicMon
29/01/2012, 5:56 PM
How does fighting for Derry City's right to play in Europe represent the other clubs in the league (possible impact on coefficient aside)?
Chances are some other club will dissolve, reinvent itself and then qualify for Europe in 2 seasons because everyone further up will have gone bust too, or had points deductions. Setting the precedent for Derry allows the FAI to f*ck around with the leage to their heart's content without having to worry about UEFA getting involved.
sadloserkid
29/01/2012, 7:36 PM
If Derry City have asked the FAI to help put their case forward then, as the national association, surely it's up to the FAI to do that?
I've no problem with that but let us not pretend then that the FAI are gone to bat on behalf of the league in general rather than Derry specifically (and I know it wasn't you who had done that in the first place).
No way the should be let in, as they say in the North, Derry should 'take their oil' and sit out till the ban has passed after the cheating that saw that relegated!
dcfc_1928
29/01/2012, 8:33 PM
I'm confused. In an earlier thread about James McClean you talked about the "previous Derry City club".
Do you consider the current Derry City to be the same club or not?
No way the should be let in, as they say in the North, Derry should 'take their oil' and sit out till the ban has passed after the cheating that saw that relegated!
dcfc_1928
29/01/2012, 9:04 PM
Have any Northern clubs made representation to UEFA, through the IFA, about Derry City's attempts to get into the Europa League?
Could be interesting to a few clubs up North....
BonnieShels
29/01/2012, 9:26 PM
Can we make this clear. Derry were not relegated. Their results for 2009 were expunged and they were kicked out of the LOI!
And were then allowed to snake back in without Wellvan involvment! :)
Why not?
As a memeber of any organistation, I Would expect that orgainsation to represent me to the best of their ability.
Anyway, this to me looks like the FAI getting someone else to do the dirty work. I can't see UEFA going aginst their own rules and FAI can come away and say they did their best.
They have job to represent the League of Ireland clubs at UEFA, eheather we think what they are doing is right or wrong.
Bohemians are also a LOI club, who will lose out if the FAI try to break these rules
dcfc_1928
30/01/2012, 5:25 AM
Have Bohs asked the FAI to make representations to UEFA on their behalf, in order to gain that European spot?
If they have, and the FAI refused, then you probably have a point.
Bohemians are also a LOI club, who will lose out if the FAI try to break these rules
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