Bin Laden Dead.

[shakermaker1982]

[I]

Also, I have to admit to having giggled a little at the "direct US funding" line in the Guardian. It's so naive a child could have written it.

To be fair to the author Jason Burke he is a bit of an expert on Al Qaeda. According to Wiki....In 2003, Burke authored Al-Qaeda: Casting a Shadow of Terror, which was later updated and republished as Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam. Noam Chomsky described it as the "best book there is" on the Al-Qaeda.

[dahamsta]

Anyone can be an expert on something that doesn't exist. Giving such a loose coalition of lunatics a name is right up there on the master list of egregious acts by idiots in power in the late eighties and early nineties.

There's absolute zero doubt in my mind that US money was funneled to the mujahadeen in the soviet war in Afghanistan, most likely via the CIA. To suggest otherwise in the face of everything else they did in the idiocy of the cold war is simply ridiculous, and demonstrates how much of an "expert" he really is. Of course he covered his ass by using the word "direct", which just shows he's both a snake and a bullsh*tter.

Jason Burke can suck my balls.

[shakermaker1982]

That rant made me laugh dahamsta.

[dahamsta]

Back on form at last!

[mypost]

I won't believe anything the americans say until I see independent evidence from a respected third-party.

I think you could be waiting a while for that. Obama has decided not to release the photos, which I think is the best decision. I don't see the need to give Al-Qaeda and their associates even more propaganda material than they have got already, from taking their figurehead out.


Excellent points on the bizarrely undirected celebrations in New York - idiots holding up their camera phones to point at... what?.

About the celebrations, while they may look to us here as insulting, if we lost someone from his attacks 10 years ago, lost a loved one in the struggle to find him, or lived under threat of his group at home on a daily basis since, as Americans did, the reaction would be totally understandable. We as a nation, have by and large have got off lightly in the War on Terror, so it's easier for us to be judge and jury on whether the celebrations are appropriate or not.


There's absolute zero doubt in my mind that US money was funneled to the mujahadeen in the soviet war in Afghanistan, most likely via the CIA.

You're right on that one.

[peadar1987]

About the celebrations, while they may look to us here as insulting, if we lost someone from his attacks 10 years ago, lost a loved one in the struggle to find him, or lived under threat of his group at home on a daily basis since, as Americans did, the reaction would be totally understandable. We as a nation, have by and large have got off lightly in the War on Terror, so it's easier for us to be judge and jury on whether the celebrations are appropriate or not.





Sure, how many people here would be celebrating if Bertie got shot through the eye? And he didn't plan any terrorism

[DannyInvincible]

About the celebrations, while they may look to us here as insulting, if we lost someone from his attacks 10 years ago, lost a loved one in the struggle to find him, or lived under threat of his group at home on a daily basis since, as Americans did, the reaction would be totally understandable. We as a nation, have by and large have got off lightly in the War on Terror, so it's easier for us to be judge and jury on whether the celebrations are appropriate or not.

I saw one reveller dressed as that all-American hero, Hulk Hogan...

Was Bin Laden, with his seemingly permanent terror threat, really the notorious bogeyman the mainstream Western media made him out to be though? When it came to Bin Laden, I think much of the information dispersed on him erred on the side of fantasy. For one thing, and rather extraordinarily considering, his profile on the FBI's "Most Wanted" website (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) mentioned nothing about playing the mastermind role in 9/11. In fact, it gave no explicit mention to it or to him even being a suspect in the slightest. Odd, no?

[Angus]

Couple of thoughts:

1 However unedifying this might be, just thank your lucky stars we don't have to watch Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bolton gloat about this as they all put their stetsons on and ride into Ground Zero on horses


2 Not excusing the Iraq misadventure at all, but trying to find logic and consistency in any "empire" is a waste of time. The pursuit of due process is, always was and always will be a selctive thing. It will be exempted in certain circumstances - always, always, always. No point in trying to parse the legal issues in this killing. There are many reasons why killing him was better - some honourable and justified - others pragmatic and self serving. But it was ever, and will ever be thus

3 Obama's delivery of the Sunday night speech was masterful. Sober, calm, factual and articulate and without gloating. Yes, it is the minimum one should expect but most presidents fall miles short

4 I have every confidence that we have not heard, and will never hear, the full story - but that doesn't matter. We never get the full story and never will. We got enough to know broadly what happened and it is somewhat comforting that minor details are being changed - it would be eerily suspicious if everyone was telling the same story

5 Can we please drop this "send him for trial" nonsense ? Like it or not, there is probably minimal evidence against him that would stand up in court. While it would make great TV it does not necessarily make it a good thing. Yes, I see the terrifying precedent - if it is OK to double tap UBL, can we trust the Yanks to be as diligent with the next person they want to get rid of. But a lack of clarity on where the line is drawn does not make this the wrong thing to do

[Hurt Locker]

Was Bin Laden, with his seemingly permanent terror threat, really the notorious bogeyman the mainstream Western media made him out to be though?

The people of manhattan live in constant fear, Air/truck/car/van bombs or even dirty bombs. The bridge from new jearsey is a major target too. I was in time square 2007 around 4th july when cops did one of their emergency responce drills 5am morning (I was out getting burger couldn't sleep!) 60 cop cars decending on certain point within 5mins. I can't stress how serious the yanks are taking this next terror attack.
I like new yorkers (melting pot of the world), but i'd more chance of been killed by a crack head/ mugger/ bum with a gun or got lost in harrlem, than terroist bomb!

I known 250,000 people die every day around the world but
What stinks about this murder is the yanks seem the be taking a leaf out of the Isreali (feck internatioal law, we'll invade yer country and murder who we want) book.

[mypost]

What stinks about this is the yanks seem the be taking a leaf out of the Isreali (feck internatioal law, we'll invade yer country and murder who we want) book.

Al-Qaeda have been doing it for years, all over the shop. Without any regard for the consequences.

[Dodge]

What stinks about this murder leaf out of the Isreali (feck internatioal law, we'll invade yer country and murder who we want) book.

You think this is the first person ever killed by the US government in this manner?

You think that only the US and Isreal do this?

[Hurt Locker]

Al-Qaeda have been doing it for years, all over the shop. Without any regard for the consequences.

Yes, Al-Qaeda are murders and are covered in the boold of innocent people which is unacceptable in any normal soceity!
You have to ask the question why are they doing this?
May be it has something to do with US/Isreali actions on arabs?
The vast amount of top business men, investment banks etc in manhatten are owned or run by jews (nothing against jews brought a jewish women from manhatten to an irish wedding in new jersey, we had a great party).


You think this is the first person ever killed by the US government in this manner?

mmmm.. they still use the electric chair in some states (Do you know an elephant was charged with murder in some state in the US and killed!!)


You think that only the US and Isreal do this?
No you don't have to look to far on that one.

[dahamsta]

Do you know an elephant was charged with murder in some state in the US and killed!!

Worst. Chinese Whispers. Ever.

[Hurt Locker]

Worst. Chinese Whispers. Ever.

LOL, still is a true story, but at least it wasn't a hamster!

The people of hull in england, hung a monkey because it would'nt talk back to them when questioned!! (should belong in the joke section but true)
I'm sure the monkey would have talked if they water boarded him!!!

[Closed Account 2]

Hartlepool?

[dahamsta]

LOL, still is a true story

No, it's not. Edison certainly electrocuted an elephant, but that was to demonstrate electricity. And it was more than 100 years ago. Can you even explain, for the love of god, how they got the elephant into the chair? :rolleyes:

Any chance we can get back to proper discussion? You know, with facts and stuff, instead of utter nonsense?

[Dodge]

Can you even explain, for the love of god, how they got the elephant into the chair? :rolleyes:


Plenty of animated evidence to suggest that you can get several elephants into a small car, so presumably one would fit into a chair?

[Hurt Locker]

Hartlepool?

Your probably right, at least I got the H right.
Love the Henry quote!


Can you even explain, for the love of god, how they got the elephant into the chair? :rolleyes:
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lol, I can just imagine it!
:DI known its a tad off subject!

I will try and back up the elephant story with some hard facts. (It was an answer to a question in a fundraising pub quiz I was partisipating in, my you i had the beer goggles on that night).

[QUOTE=Dodge;1482791]Plenty of animated evidence to suggest that you can get several elephants into a small car, so presumably one would fit into a chair?

:) very funny...........not going to take the bait, trying to keep discussion serious

[peadar1987]

[QUOTE=dahamsta;1482790] Can you even explain, for the love of god, how they got the elephant into the chair? :rolleyes:
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lol, I can just imagine it!
:D:DI known its a tad off subject!

I will try and back up the elephant story with some hard facts. (It was an answer to a question in a fundraising pub quiz I was partisipating in, my you i had the beer goggles on that night).


I think you're probably thinking of Thomas Edison, himself and, I believe, Nicola Tesla, were fighting over whether AC or DC was used for the electricity grid in the US. To show how dangerous AC was, Edison used it to kill an elephant, conveniently neglecting to mention that the equivalent DC current would have left the elephant just as dead.

[dahamsta]

And again, it was over a hundred years ago.

Hurt Locker, please use multi-post or I'll start deleting the extra posts.

[DannyInvincible]

Anyone aware of any updates on that whole Osama Bin Laden thing from the other day there?

[bennocelt]

. We as a nation, have by and large have got off lightly in the War on Terror, so it's easier for us to be judge and jury on whether the celebrations are appropriate or not.

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Are you for real Mypost, really!!!!:rolleyes:
Dont remember Ireland as a number one target for any Al Q boys.

Re Elephants -Good to see some were taking notes from the recent BBC series - Filthy Cities

[Hurt Locker]

[QUOTE Hurt Locker, please use multi-post or I'll start deleting the extra posts.
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no problemo dude!

[Mr A]

Al-Qaeda 'confirms Osama Bin Laden dead' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201)

[dahamsta]

Bizarrely, despite the fact that I don't actually believe in an organised "Al Qaeda", I'm more inclined to believe that than the US.

But of course because there isn't an Al Queda, it's probably just the CIA anyway, doing what they do. :)

[Eminence Grise]

But of course because there isn't an Al Queda, it's probably just the CIA anyway, doing what they do. :)

Hm, the press release does sound a bit like a Hollywood B-movie script, so you might be on to something.

Either that or terrorists have become a lot more flowery in prose since P O'Neill retired/got elected to the NIA/Westminster/Dail etc.

[SkStu]

About the celebrations, while they may look to us here as insulting, if we lost someone from his attacks 10 years ago, lost a loved one in the struggle to find him, or lived under threat of his group at home on a daily basis since, as Americans did, the reaction would be totally understandable. We as a nation, have by and large have got off lightly in the War on Terror, so it's easier for us to be judge and jury on whether the celebrations are appropriate or not.

further to this - let us not forget the scenes of unbridled joy from certain areas of the middle east as news of the attacks on the WTC broke. Uncouth, undoubtedly, on both occasions but definitely understandable to varying degrees.

[DannyInvincible]

Bizarrely, despite the fact that I don't actually believe in an organised "Al Qaeda", I'm more inclined to believe that than the US.

But of course because there isn't an Al Queda, it's probably just the CIA anyway, doing what they do. :)

Posted on "jihadist web forums"... Good lord.

[DannyInvincible]

A selection of five home-made videos allegedly seized during the raid on Bin Laden's compound have been released to the media by US authorities: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13323060


The Pentagon has released home videos of Osama Bin Laden, seized at the secret compound in Pakistan where he was shot dead by US special forces last week.

The tapes show him watching himself on television, and preparing a video message addressed to the US.

At a news briefing in Washington, the Pentagon also released a propaganda video recorded by Bin Laden.

In total, five videos were seized during Monday's US commando raid.

[Spudulika]

This will ramp up the fun for the hang em high mob in the US and UK, they'll love it.

One thing I've been asked by a colleague who questioned some Irish friends of his who said that Osama being murdered was not all that bad. "How do you feel about the people in Gibraltar?" It took a second to remember the operation that was never meant to take unarmed people hostage. Shoot to kill means the killers can write the headlines.

[DannyInvincible]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee297/antsaoi/One-Offs/x2_5f37351.jpg

:confused:

[mypost]

Yes, Al-Qaeda are murders and are covered in the boold of innocent people which is unacceptable in any normal soceity!
You have to ask the question why are they doing this?
May be it has something to do with US/Isreali actions on arabs?

Palestine could have it's own independent state and the Americans could pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow, but that wouldn't stop Al-Qaeda's operations, they'd simply find some other reason to threaten and terrorise innocent people. They are trained terrorists, and are not interested in peace talks or resolutions. Bombing and killing other Muslim countries and citizens as they usually do, has little if anything to do with USA/Israel foreign policy.

There was a bombing in Pakistan today, apparantly to "avenge" the removal of Bin Laden. It's not even remotely comparable.

[Lim till i die]

Palestine could have it's own independent state and the Americans could pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow, but that wouldn't stop Al-Qaeda's operations, they'd simply find some other reason to threaten and terrorise innocent people.

Without evidence to support it this bit here is nothing more than your opinion....

What is Al-Qaeda anyway?? How does one join??

[SkStu]

Theyre a well known Muslim PR Firm. They consider all applications via their website but do charge a registration fee and you must pass a multiple choice exam to join. Once you are accepted you will be invited to an orientaiton week in a secret location - fun! - where the focus will be on team building and role playing exercises.

A Top 50 Muslim Employer.

[peadar1987]

Palestine could have it's own independent state and the Americans could pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow, but that wouldn't stop Al-Qaeda's operations, they'd simply find some other reason to threaten and terrorise innocent people. They are trained terrorists, and are not interested in peace talks or resolutions. Bombing and killing other Muslim countries and citizens as they usually do, has little if anything to do with USA/Israel foreign policy.

There was a bombing in Pakistan today, apparantly to "avenge" the removal of Bin Laden. It's not even remotely comparable.


Al-Qaeda feed off a hatred in many sectors of the Middle East of the US, and the West in general. This wouldn't go away if the US pulled out of Afghanistan, and Palestine became independent, but things like this are a large part of the reason the hatred was there in the first place.

[Spudulika]

The US, UK, France, Russia etc won't let this spook created thing drop, like MI6 are doing in relation to "republican dissidents", budgets need to be justified and money spent, so they will stay aorud somewhere. What's amazing is that nobody is calling out the Americans on a sustained and serious level (a compliant media doesn't help) of how Bin Laden was living next door to US military trainers for so long - and so many stories being released are being used to sustain a lie as well as whip up a reaction. It's going to get worse for a while yet.

[peadar1987]

There's been a bit about it, but to be fair, the higher-brow media aren't as likely to throw mud, and the more low-brow sections are firmly in the jingoistic "support our troops or you like boys" category.