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No selling out to Sky!!!
Somebody could organise an online petition to give to RTE. I'm sure there would be alot of signatures if everybody forwards it around. I remember there was a special site, www.petitiononline.com.
max power
25/05/2004, 3:16 PM
more toilet paper to use out in d4........sorry but rte really don't give a toss, i think an iternet package with highlights is the best we can hope for at this stage :(
rte dont give at toss whereas tv3 do :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
tiktok
25/05/2004, 3:18 PM
No selling out to Sky!!!
screw that, which broadcaster is covering the U21 game in galway. if they can do an Irish news programme solely for Irish viewers they can do an EL show solely for irish viewers too. I'd get sky sports if they showed regular live games and did a decent package over the EL season.
sell out to the company that gives proper coverage to the league, and puts some money and interest into it.
max power
25/05/2004, 3:21 PM
i don't really give a damn who shows it, it could hitlers love child for all i care, just as long as the public profile is raised and we get a bit of coverage
pineapple stu
25/05/2004, 5:23 PM
Firstly regards all your other points above ... i cant disagree with them.
No, no, that's not how debates work on this forum! You're supposed to blindly repeat your previous point, call me an idiot, then bash Roy Keane/Mick McCarthy for a while before blaming the British occupation of the North for the whole thing! You don't (partly) agree with me! :p
As things are unfolding ... it doesn't look good (as you pointed out) I am now a bit worried
Sorry 'bout that... :o ;) :o
A face
25/05/2004, 5:34 PM
No, no, that's not how debates work on this forum! You're supposed to blindly repeat your previous point, call me an idiot, then bash Roy Keane/Mick McCarthy for a while before blaming the British occupation of the North for the whole thing! You don't (partly) agree with me! :p
Nah ... not for me, all this blind repeating arguing. My view all along was clubs should be the ones making the effort. If stuff needed to be done then it was in their own interest.
Sorry 'bout that... :o ;) :o
Me too ... gutted, why didn't the wait till the end of the season, or not start at the start of this one. We've only played a handfull of games in all fairness.
To be honest ..... this kind of thing will always be the case unless the clubs with the FAI tied whoever down to a deal to do the lot, domestic and international.
National Broadcaster my áss ..... i am totally píssed off to be honest.
screw that, which broadcaster is covering the U21 game in galway. if they can do an Irish news programme solely for Irish viewers they can do an EL show solely for irish viewers too. I'd get sky sports if they showed regular live games and did a decent package over the EL season.
sell out to the company that gives proper coverage to the league, and puts some money and interest into it.
I totally agree. I reckon Sky would be the best option but who knows if they have any interest in covering the el or not.
Everything Sky do, they do well. Any el show they would do would be an excellent presesntation and would be shown over and over again at a reasonable hour. They would generate a lot of interest and hype and or course it would be nice to get some of their money aswell!
Slash/ED
25/05/2004, 11:30 PM
I totally agree. I reckon Sky would be the best option but who knows if they have any interest in covering the el or not.
if they were told that they had to cover the EL as part of the deal to show Irish matches they'd be interested. It's not like it would bother them too much having to show the EL, they've nothing else on during the summer or on an average friday night.
A face
26/05/2004, 9:12 PM
Bringing this up again .... It is NOT cancelled ..... When all ten clubs can provide the proper facilities, they'll be back on air.
The only thing pending on this are the clubs.
Nah ... not for me, all this blind repeating arguing.
My view all along was clubs should be the ones making the effort. If stuff needed to be done then it was in their own interest.
:confused:
max power
27/05/2004, 9:07 AM
sorry but at the mo it IS cancelled, that was the word from a sports presenter on tv 3.........
Slash/ED
27/05/2004, 10:16 PM
I was looking at Lansedown road today and the gantry in the North Terrace. The only way upto it is a ladder, not even bolted to the ground, that's tied to the gantry at the top.
An obvious health and safety risk so, I can only imagine TV3 have pulled the plug on showing international matches until this safety threat is sorted, afterall, isn't that the only thing stopping them showing EL footie?
A face
27/05/2004, 11:19 PM
Slash/ED ...... i totally agree with you .... thing is TV3 dont. As soon as the 10 clubs are sorted out, they say they'll be back on. That's the line they are giving and that is the line FAI are giving aswell. To be honest ... all the clubs should be trying ot build a good relationship with the only channel that is/will show anything eL related.
Just to follow Slash's point. The scaffolding was no where near up to the standard of the eL grounds, and at a far greater height than any eL ground (straight drop at the back of the North terrace), with a bog standard ladder to get up there.
So are Sky ignoring Health and Safety or are TV3 using it as an excuse?
max power
28/05/2004, 9:15 AM
yes sky are and their camera man are willing to do it, do you have a problem that the tv 3 camera men won't ??? macy why don't you do camera man at the games, you centinaly seem to know how to do everything else and what everyone else should do....or will you cop out
Whats for me to cop out off, as I haven't signed a contract to show eL games? Two weeks ago, before you were drinking with the cameraman, you would've been as píssed off as the some of us are. I mean, it was you who were going on about getting Town games filmed with you're new camera due to the lack of coverage, especially at Flancare (which now isn't up to standards either apparently).
I don't know anything about using a camera, however I can spot a bullshít excuse, which is what TV3 are offering. If Celtic played Shels in a friendly at Tolka, wait and see how fast TV3 would get those camera's up to the gantry...
max power
28/05/2004, 9:37 AM
firstly have you seen the contract tv 3 signed with the league ??? if so do you know what health and safety clauses are in it ???
next, i will record games when i have an out put point for them, website or el weekly or the like......my main focus is a decent european package, i'll pm you the details if you wish.
as you said you know nothing about camera so you don't know then how much they cost and how easily they can be damaged....ladder issue....
flancare isn't the best but its ok, i mentioned the roof issue as a comfort point on a cold nov night.....
flancare isn't the best but its ok, i mentioned the roof issue as a comfort point on a cold nov night.....
EErr, the LOI doesnt play in November anymore!
firstly have you seen the contract tv 3 signed with the league ??? if so do you know what health and safety clauses are in it ???
as you said you know nothing about camera so you don't know then how much they cost and how easily they can be damaged....ladder issue....
So is it H&S or about Camera damage?
Longfordian
28/05/2004, 11:51 AM
Its about the health and safety of the cameras obviously..
max power
28/05/2004, 11:58 AM
a lot of the guys who do tv 3 are contract using their own gear and not tv 3, so for them its equipment damage first ....as you'd realise their camera is their main business asset, damage that and they can't work so they won't risk it...
the tv 3 staff is h & S as they are employees and have basic rights which envoked, any union person would understand that, i am not and refuse to be a union sheep....
the tv 3 staff is their own business, could be lookin for better money etc, but i do understand the stance of the contract workers as if my dj gear was put as risk by work i did and it was damaged i'm in a position where i have work and no means to do it and if i wish do i must fix the damage and hire while i wait....
i personally think if this mess clears up the fture it could be worth it....fingers crossed...
Slash/ED
28/05/2004, 12:24 PM
So why are people not complaining about filming in Lansedown road, in even worse conditions than any of the LOI grounds? Why is it not a health and safety issue there?
A face
28/05/2004, 12:56 PM
So why are people not complaining about filming in Lansedown road, in even worse conditions than any of the LOI grounds? Why is it not a health and safety issue there?
I dunno ... you'd want to ask TV3/whoever.
Lads, that doesn't even come into it though .... TV3 have said when the grounds are sorted then they will go back to filming ... pointing out other inadequate grounds help resolve the grounds.
In short .... if the clubs dont sort out the grounds then it is an impasse.
Nothing else ...... so we can all pointly the finger at the grounds holding up the only programming the league gets as they are the ones .... wait for it ..... the ones that are holding up the only programming the league gets.
Does anyone know when this might happen .... timescale .... anything ..... even with a bítchy answer and an excuse .... just let us know when, focus on the time part if possible ??
Thanks !!
max power
28/05/2004, 1:19 PM
sky is a top gig for any camera man, and the pay is designed as a golden handshake, they pay so much you don't complain.....simple as that
Slash/ED
28/05/2004, 1:24 PM
sky is a top gig for any camera man, and the pay is designed as a golden handshake, they pay so much you don't complain.....simple as that
And what about before Sky were covering Ireland matches, nobody saw fit to complain then.
A face
28/05/2004, 1:36 PM
And what about before Sky were covering Ireland matches, nobody saw fit to complain then.
Sure thats all in the past .... we need to look at now ..... The grounds need sorting for TV3 !!
Slash/ED
28/05/2004, 2:04 PM
Sure thats all in the past .... we need to look at now ..... The grounds need sorting for TV3 !!
My point is that TV3 pulling out of their coverage has, imo, more to do with the fact they're looking for a way out than the sudden loss in health and safety standards in our gantrys. If the clubs sort this issue out, and they should, TV3 will probably find something else, or just keep showing the EL at a stupid time and put little to no effort in at all.
Anyway, if Tolka park is good enough to get a UEFA A licence, it's surley good enough for TV3. Isn't media facilities a part of getting that licence?
A face
28/05/2004, 8:42 PM
If the clubs sort this issue out, and they should, TV3 will probably find something else, or just keep showing the EL at a stupid time and put little to no effort in at all.
Anyway, if Tolka park is good enough to get a UEFA A licence, it's surley good enough for TV3. Isn't media facilities a part of getting that licence?
Slash/ED .... we are all on the same side here, in my opinion, TV3 are being difficult but if this is what takes to get it back on air, then fair enough.
In fairness ... it is all we have (as bad as it is) but you have to be serious as well, if the clubs/fans/anyone with an interest wanted something to change, then there would be something organised to lobby RTÉ (national broadcaster) to change the current situation. AND i am not on about sending an email ... them giving an excuse and then giving up. I am talking about an organised group, approaching TD's etc. and ombudsmen and any other regulator and get an organised continued campaign to rallying support and actually make it change. I dunno ... go to European regulators and raise the issue with them. There is loads that can be done. A petition for each club at about 5-10 games on the trot should get at least 80% of people who go to games. Irish international games ... get the barstoolers to sign aswell. There is nothing happening to change it so it is not good enough to sit at a keyboard and make up conspiracy theories. Sorry if it ****es people off.
So if fixing gantries in two grounds means getting the only half hour of eL back on our screens then so be it .... i know you think i am mad ... but this is fairly easily resolved. TV3 have said when we sort out the grounds, they'll be back. We have no reason (serious reason, not a conspiracy theory or any other shíte that people are coming out with, if you want my opinion, the conspiracy theory is an excuse for clubs not to sort out the problem and i seriously believe that, from the way certain clubs are behaving and what they ae saying.)
I will keep reminding people about this until it is sorted out. We shouldn't listen to a lame excuse not to sort the gantries ASAP.
CollegeTillIDie
29/05/2004, 4:07 PM
Having read all 7 pages of this thread, I will make the following observations
Ok let's agree Tolka and Richmond's gantries are not up to scratch.
How does that exonerate TV3 from covering Longford, Bohs, Cork City,and Derry City home matches?
It might mean EL weekly going fortnightly for a while, but where's the harm in that? Some coverage is better than none after all.
Then pineapple stu's point about goal of the month, well they might catch a sizeable minority of them but it would be better than what we have now.
Other option would be to negotiate with the IRFU to stage certain EL games in Lansdowne so they can be shown in highlight form later on
Some obvious options would be Dublin City V Shamrock Rovers; Dublin City V Shels; Dublin City V Bohs ; Dublin City V St. Pat's Shels V Bohs; v Pat's V Rovers and anyone else really
Shamrock Rovers home games worth televising
St. Pat's home games worth televising
In fact if the first game kicked off at 6:45 there could be double headers
Each group of supporters could get an end to them selves or the lower sections of the stands
There could be the option of playing games on Saturdays one in the early afternoon followed by another one.
These are potential solutions to the gantry problem.
Another one might be the installation of hoists
Bring the stands for the cameras up the stairs fairly light
Install a hoist to the side of the TV gantry and hoist the camera into position thus removing the H & S problem.
For the record the gantries were installed in all EL grounds at the time including Whitehall at an approximate cost of £IR 10,000 each.
They were installed at RTE's request. Not sure who eventually paid for them but I believe it was a combination of the FAI and the clubs, though I am open to correction on that latter point.
One of the basic problems with the League and the clubs to a lesser extent is the tunnel vision displayed by its officials.
A little bit of lateral thinking along the lines above is required.
TonyD
29/05/2004, 11:30 PM
I'm coming late to this debate too, but it seems blatantly obvious to me that TV3 are playing games. I don't know the ins and outs of the situations at Tolka and Richmond, but as CollegetillIdie pointed out, these are not the only grounds in the league. So have TV3 got similar concerns about Turners Cross, Flancare, RSC, Brandywell, Drogheda ? If they have, then the FAI or the league needs to get all the clubs together to sort it out. If they haven't, which is the implication in the posts of the TV3 apologists(Max Power, A Face-are you on a retainer from TV3 ?), then they are taking the ****, pure and simple. Do you suppose if Man U were playing in Tolka or Richmond, and TV3 had the rights that they might somehow find a way up the gantry ? Oh sorry, silly me, that would be totally different. That would be something they actually wanted to show. I say no more international match access for them until they show a decent committment to covering the league. And RTEs coverage, when they were doing it, may not have been weekly, but at least it was professional. :(
a post by an official pats steward on our mb says pats were awarded the safety cert last week for the gantry
presume its all tv3's fault now.....
A face
02/06/2004, 11:57 AM
Thats great news about Pats gantry ..... Pats and Rovers home games should now be OK !!
What is the latest on Tolka ??
Can anyone let us know what is happening there ??
Att. TonyD ..... if it turns out to be the case then i'll hold my hands up but until then ...... getting the gantries sorted is the only plan of action that should be considered.
The whole "look, they just dont want to do it" thing just doesn't cut it to be honest.
its looking increasingly like they DONT want to do it
A face
02/06/2004, 12:29 PM
its looking increasingly like they DONT want to do it
Yeah yeah .... Tolka .... update ...... ???
At least we can then confirm it !!
from the pats board - this should make all el fans very very angry:
"Nope, we got the safety cert off NIFSA (or something) but tv3 said they dont accept this even though they're the only safety organisation in the country who deal with that type of thing. IT cost afair few bob for to get the cert too so it seems to me like tv3 just dont give a fcuk anymore."
A face
02/06/2004, 3:54 PM
) but tv3 said they dont accept this
Can you tell us a bit more about this, it is kinda ambiguous ??
DCFC2004
02/06/2004, 6:39 PM
Listen folks- take it from me and what I know on this- it's not gonna return, at least in the same amount of coverage, ie a programme a week on TV3
I know people who were supplying pictures from DCFC and Harps at one stage and the safety has NOT been mentioned but guess what? MONEY HAS!!
Apparently, TV3 are in trouble financially?
I am gonna concentrate on keeping the pressure on RTE with the petition as well as a few other things. When the petition ends I will adjust where necessary(some silly remarks there that don't do any good at all), print it out and deliver to RTE in Dublin.
I will also send copies to TDs etc
Thanks
http://www.petitiononline.com/el12004/petition.html
tiktok
02/06/2004, 7:11 PM
Apparently, TV3 are in trouble financially
I know what they can do, buy Granada's schedule and use what's left over to concentrate on buying in poorly made sentimental american series and below par sit-coms, that'll bring in a load of advertising revenue....
...oh hang on. :(
I know what they can do, buy Granada's schedule and use what's left over to concentrate on buying in poorly made sentimental american series and below par sit-coms, that'll bring in a load of advertising revenue....
...oh hang on. :(
Better still, all we have to do is persuade Granada to show the EL. Then hey presto! To be honest it would probably be as easy. A Face, I think those hands may be going up yet. As for conspiracy theories, remember, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
A face
02/06/2004, 8:45 PM
remember, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
What do you mean ?? Who ?? What ?? ..... Edgy !! .... what do ya mean Edgy ?? :D
ger121
03/06/2004, 10:16 AM
Any chance of making the Thread with the link to the petition a sticky at the top so more people get to see it and maybe sign it?
Better still, all we have to do is persuade Granada to show the EL.
Noooooooooooooooooooo I moved over here to get away from Elton Welsby....
Hopefully Granada (or ITV as it is now) will buy up TV3 totally - ITV Ireland, anyone. Virtually the same programmes anyway. Go FTA on Satellite along with the rest of the regions, and I might actually have some chance of picking up the station where I live. (Plus get decent Formula 1 coverage while we're at it!).
The FAI should enforce the contract or takeaway the rights. And set it in stone for the next international contract - camera at everyground, for everygame and at a decent time slot.
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