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ArdeeBhoy
14/01/2011, 9:09 AM
Celtic fans sing songs about the Provos and interrupt minutes silences for dead people.
Compare Celtic fans behaviour to normal peoples behaviour innit.
Some Celtic/Irish fans/people sing rebel songs. Some of which mention The 'Ra.
But then again 'normal' people listen to the violent lyrics of certain musical genres. What's your point?

Presumably you don't know the Rangers equivalents? They make rebel songs seem benign by comparison.
And a 'minutes silence', Hmm, the last one was for the Ibrox Disaster on 2/1/11, impeccably observed on all sides.



Your rank pulling (as someone who goes to Parkhead basically as a tourist three or four times per year) is a bit silly. I grew up with Old Firm fans- my (then predominantly Rangers supporting) primary school was next door to Cliftonville FC, the next school along was Celtic. I've been watching, listening to and reading about their games- and talking about them to people who actually live in Glasgow- for decades.

As ever, you're wrong about me! And you're telling me children no older than 10 indulged in the most extreme rituals of Celtic & Rangers. Even in '70's "Beal-feirste", that sounds a major stretch of a fertile imagination. ;)
And the 'watching, listening to and reading about' is an even bigger distortion of the truth, given your claimed apparent apathy on them.

It's hardly relevant to now, the subsequent behaviour of both sets of fans(& clubs) by comparison since and if you're so 'knowledgeable' on the subject it's hardly reflected in incisive opinion of such. Just the usual tired cliches they're "both the same".

OwlsFan
14/01/2011, 9:22 AM
As ever these things turn in to "you're more biggoted than us".

ArdeeBhoy
14/01/2011, 9:24 AM
'Bigoted'.
;)

The point is Celtic won the UEFA fans award (as did Ireland), which is conspicious by its absence in the proximity of Govan. So Yes, they're EXACTLY the same.

Gather round
14/01/2011, 9:38 AM
Just the usual tired cliches they're "both the same"

It's a truism, actually. But thanks for your interest.

Not Brazil
14/01/2011, 9:46 AM
Good man Paddy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/9361068.stm

Don't let the cowards win.

Plastic Paddy
14/01/2011, 9:54 AM
PP: it's a bit of a roundabout argument, that. If you invite Celtic's critics to respond to questions with answers detailing the sectarian minority within the club's fanbase, then any reply is pretty much bound to be "relativist whataboutery". Or absolutist arsecheekery, in reality. They're as bad as each other.

No. The whole point is that they are not "as bad as each other". Drunken neds and idiots on one side (and I am not denying or justifying their actions) do not equal the death threats, bullets through the post and murders emanating from the other. To pass them off as somehow equal is to ignore all the evidence, and quite the strangest application of the "parity of esteem" concept that I have yet come across.

:ball: PP

Gather round
14/01/2011, 10:21 AM
No. The whole point is that they are not "as bad as each other". Drunken neds and idiots on one side (and I am not denying or justifying their actions) do not equal the death threats, bullets through the post and murders emanating from the other. To pass them off as somehow equal is to ignore all the evidence, and quite the strangest application of the "parity of esteem" concept that I have yet come across


I answered your point, as did NB. You chose to avoid it with the lazy assumption that threats from a minority of Celtic fans are less credible than those from Rangers' equivalent. Do you have any actual evidence for this, or is it just biased guesswork?

I haven't ignored any evidence. Nor, unlike you, drawn any silly parallel with wider society and politics, etc. Rangers and Celtic both have large minorities of Ned fans, recognised as and a pain in the hole to the rest of Scotland, and beyond. I realise it's an embarrassment for the reasonable majority like yourself, but don't wish it away.

dahamsta
14/01/2011, 10:56 AM
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