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The Fly
09/01/2011, 7:08 PM
I found plenty of anti-Irish sentiment from English people when I was living in Edinburgh.
They were probably only trying to fit in with the locals.
ArdeeBhoy
09/01/2011, 7:15 PM
I found plenty of anti-Irish sentiment from English people when I was living in Edinburgh. They were okay most of the time, but if you ever got their bad side, it was always straight to the "stupid Paddy", mocking the accent, and barbs about potatoes. Mind you, it's not as prevalent, or as sickening, as the anti-English sentiments expressed regularly in Ireland.
Presuming more of the unionist, er, 'constituency' then??
Have encountered some people in Glasgow who were only too happy to tell me about the 'evils' of being Irish. And that was before we'd even spoken or exchanged pleasantries!
The Fly
09/01/2011, 7:23 PM
Have encountered some people in Glasgow who were only too happy to tell me about the 'evils' of being Irish. And that was before we'd even spoken or exchanged pleasantries!
You must have wandered into an orange hall.
ArdeeBhoy
09/01/2011, 7:28 PM
Ah, no. Not done for a while. The mother warned me off those!
But if I tell you it happened amongst other places, in a pub on Union Street, you have part of the answer....
peadar1987
09/01/2011, 8:27 PM
Presuming more of the unionist, er, 'constituency' then??
Have encountered some people in Glasgow who were only too happy to tell me about the 'evils' of being Irish. And that was before we'd even spoken or exchanged pleasantries!
You're right, there are places in Glasgow with a special kind of bigotry and ignorance. Edinburgh wasn't as bad, I probably should have mentioned that these were university students, not random idiots in Rangers jerseys.
seanfhear
11/01/2011, 8:29 PM
There are plenty of random idiots going to university.
Just because some moron can pass some academic tests does not mean he/she has life inteligence.
SwanVsDalton
11/01/2011, 9:15 PM
They were okay most of the time, but if you ever got their bad side, it was always straight to the "stupid Paddy", mocking the accent, and barbs about potatoes. Mind you, it's not as prevalent, or as sickening, as the anti-English sentiments expressed regularly in Ireland.
Not as funny either.
peadar1987
11/01/2011, 9:39 PM
There are plenty of random idiots going to university.
Just because some moron can pass some academic tests does not mean he/she has life inteligence.
But it does mean that they don't have the excuse of a rough upbringing to blame their bigotry on. (Well, some people at Uni do, but these people were just ignorant prats!)
BonnieShels
11/01/2011, 11:18 PM
Have encountered some people in Glasgow who were only too happy to tell me about the 'evils' of being Irish. And that was before we'd even spoken or exchanged pleasantries!
Very receptive. Telling all that about you before even saying hi!
I have to say to this day I've yet to see or get any anti-Irish sentiment directed towards me. Maybe they only do it behind my back?
Fly, its hard to wander unknowingly into an Orange Hall. You can unknowingly wander into the Hall's car park though, in your 97D Ford Escort with your map in hand whilst you try and figure out for the love of god how to get out of Randalstown, whilst the local heavies eye ya from across the grounds. *shudder*
ArdeeBhoy
12/01/2011, 2:25 AM
Wear even the faintest shade of green and it'll happen soon enough in certain parts of the North or W.Of Scotland.
But for the record I wasn't.
boovidge
12/01/2011, 2:43 AM
I've lived in England most of my life and have experienced very little anti-Irish sentiment amongst the general public. It might depend on where you live but at the moment with no IRA bombs going off in England it's very much on the margins of British nationalism. Suspicion of muslims is much more rife and obvious.
BonnieShels
12/01/2011, 8:01 AM
Wear even the faintest shade of green and it'll happen soon enough in certain parts of the North or W.Of Scotland.
But for the record I wasn't.
Nope. Done that and nothing.
ArdeeBhoy
12/01/2011, 12:31 PM
Try it, say in Larkhall or Dunmurray, well actually don't.
Ironically usually happens on nights out in central Glasgow, when the football is often far from your mind.
Agree about Ingerland, except the "NS" singing at football. And anti-Irish rants from the right about the bail-out.
Conveniently ignoring the North, Scotland & Wales who've all been subsidised for decades!
SwanVsDalton
12/01/2011, 12:51 PM
You can unknowingly wander into the Hall's car park though, in your 97D Ford Escort with your map in hand whilst you try and figure out for the love of god how to get out of Randalstown, whilst the local heavies eye ya from across the grounds. *shudder*
Just leave the car and BEELINE. Randalstown makes Termonbarry look like Babylon on a cool Summer's day.
Charlie Darwin
12/01/2011, 1:13 PM
No need to drag the good name of Termonbarry into this...
BonnieShels
12/01/2011, 5:01 PM
Try it, say in Larkhall or Dunmurray, well actually don't.
Ironically usually happens on nights out in central Glasgow, when the football is often far from your mind.
Agree about Ingerland, except the "NS" singing at football. And anti-Irish rants from the right about the bail-out.
Conveniently ignoring the North, Scotland & Wales who've all been subsidised for decades!
I'll try it out in Moira next month.
BonnieShels
12/01/2011, 5:03 PM
Just leave the car and BEELINE. Randalstown makes Termonbarry look like Babylon on a cool Summer's day.
That did cross my mind. I crashed the thing the next day on the pier in Ballycastle.
backstothewall
12/01/2011, 10:32 PM
Nothing wrong with Randalstown. If you were in the orange hall carpark in a Dublin registered car, those fellas were probably looking at you in case you WERE the local heavies. Being an Orangeman in Randalstown is a lonely enough posting.
BonnieShels
16/01/2011, 5:14 PM
Nothing wrong with Randalstown. If you were in the orange hall carpark in a Dublin registered car, those fellas were probably looking at you in case you WERE the local heavies. Being an Orangeman in Randalstown is a lonely enough posting.
These lads weren't lonely.
Ozymandias
19/01/2011, 9:55 AM
People talking about wandering into orange halls......I wandered into a football thread and now i seem to have lost it
The Fly
19/01/2011, 10:17 AM
People talking about wandering into orange halls......I wandered into a football thread and now i seem to have lost it
Try the Celtic Cup thread.
Cuyahoga
19/01/2011, 4:43 PM
I heard that today that the fai will announce just before the wales match in a couple of weeks time that ireland will play england in early 2012.
ArdeeBhoy
20/01/2011, 1:25 AM
People talking about wandering into orange halls......I wandered into a football thread and now i seem to have lost it
Try reading any history of Ireland. Then your question may be answered....
;)
then you and the rest of the history teachers should head off to a history of Ireland messageboard.
ArdeeBhoy
20/01/2011, 9:14 AM
Why?
To confirm lots of its current citizens live in bubble, where no-one mentions how a state under 100 yrs.old came to be founded....
Our ancestors would be so proud.
ifk101
20/01/2011, 9:27 AM
then you and the rest of the history teachers should head off to a history of Ireland messageboard.
Soon to be the home of Bohemian FC.
Ozymandias
20/01/2011, 1:40 PM
Try reading any history of Ireland. Then your question may be answered....
;)
Then I would lose out on the joyous wit, the social interaction only a pc screen can offer as well as the ramblings of the community.
wasn't it Oscar Wilde that said
By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, journalism keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.
I'm sure the historians here can confirm or negate that.
I'm off to watch a game
ArdeeBhoy
20/01/2011, 2:10 PM
Huh??
People relating history are now uneducated?? Mr.Wilde would be flattered by your analogy.
Ozymandias
20/01/2011, 2:26 PM
I think you need to read my post again. At no point did I say that people relating history were uneducated.
Then again "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" - (Vladimir I Lenin)
I am moving on now as this thread is about a possible Ireland England friendly Association Football match
Why?
To confirm lots of its current citizens live in bubble, where no-one mentions how a state under 100 yrs.old came to be founded....
Our ancestors would be so proud.
Our ancestors are dead.
Why come to a football website to argue history with a bunch of people that dont want to hear it (our resident nordies) and a whole bunch of people who already know it and/or dont care and/or just want to talk football. Its just tiresome that every topic that is even semi-related to Ireland/Northern Ireland/England/UK gets sidetracked by this nonsense.
ArdeeBhoy
20/01/2011, 3:34 PM
So history and the struggles of our ancestors is now unimportant in every respect? It happens in lots of other places too Btw.
;)
Surely it's more tiresome that people continually enter a bubble of denial on these issues. It's only banter after all.
The wider cultural context of many sporting fixtures is a factor in lots of instances. Get over yerself.
no, its not unimportant but it has its place and a football forum isnt that place in my humble opinion.
ArdeeBhoy
20/01/2011, 4:05 PM
Ok, but let's hope you'd say the same to Scotland fans with their 'Bannockburn 1314' flags?? ;)
And the Ingerlish when they start up their "No Surrender" chant.
So yes, No place at all.
Ozymandias
20/01/2011, 4:08 PM
great ...consensus reached ..now move on
paul_oshea
20/01/2011, 7:23 PM
no, its not unimportant but it has its place and a football forum isnt that place in my humble opinion.
except sometimes it is....
Deckydee
29/04/2011, 11:16 AM
England coming to town Feb 29th 2012?
According to reports on the radio
BonnieShels
29/04/2011, 11:21 AM
Super. 4days after we play Italy at Lansdowne in the Six Nations.
ArdeeBhoy
29/04/2011, 8:11 PM
England coming to town Feb 29th 2012?
According to reports on the radio
Couldn't they have announced that 28 days ago instead....
DannyInvincible
29/04/2011, 9:45 PM
no, its not unimportant but it has its place and a football forum isnt that place in my humble opinion.
I think it's only inevitable that such contexts envelope the discussion in this forum at times given, whether one likes it or not, the undeniable politico-cultural nature of international football. You have to ask yourself, would we be bothering to play England at all in a football friendly in this period of national craving for a sense of "maturity" if it were not for that "dirty" word; h*story? It would be naïve to see this as a football match solely for football's sake. The game doesn't exist in a bubble.
ArdeeBhoy
29/04/2011, 10:06 PM
Crikey DI, you only said that a hundred times more eloquently than I did.
Fair play. If you're not a lawyer or journo', you should be....
SkStu
29/04/2011, 10:37 PM
I think it's only inevitable that such contexts envelope the discussion in this forum at times given, whether one likes it or not, the undeniable politico-cultural nature of international football. You have to ask yourself, would we be bothering to play England at all in a football friendly in this period of national craving for a sense of "maturity" if it were not for that "dirty" word; h*story? It would be naïve to see this as a football match solely for football's sake. The game doesn't exist in a bubble.
only thing is our side will be the only ones putting some pseudo-political, pseudo-historical context to it while simultaneously financially and emotionally supporting British football teams. Its all a bit immature really when you think about it. And im sure I and most others except for you, ArdeeBhoy and a couple of others didnt log on to foot.ie to be given a history lesson on the foundation of the state, history almost all of us are only too aware of already.
Eminence Grise
29/04/2011, 10:58 PM
"Hedley Lamar: My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Taggart: God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar wh*re."
Levity aside, DI, that's very well put, although I'd maintain that history itself isn't a dirty word. The problem is more the nuances that are put on it to mould a version of the past that dovetails neatly with a vision of the future. History, or more accurately, historiography is damnably contestable on this island (and if I'm honest, I'll admit to being a post-revisionist). It will always be just a game of football to some, and more than a game of football to others. And never the twain shall meet - here or elsewhere.
Crosby87
29/04/2011, 11:34 PM
Sorry, I'm too lazy to look this up: SO will this be the last friendly before WC Q Starts? Or will it have started already?
Again apologies. Was up at 4 AM waiting to see if the Queen wore an Apricot hat so I could collect my winnings. Damn.
ArdeeBhoy
30/04/2011, 12:07 AM
only thing is our side will be the only ones putting some pseudo-political, pseudo-historical context to it while simultaneously financially and emotionally supporting British football teams.
Except no club (anywhere) is a country....especially in the case in point.
And what's this 'pseudo' thing ??
;)
dont mind, i was just being pseudo-intellectual... :D
Charlie Darwin
30/04/2011, 2:09 AM
PseudoStu
PseudoStu talks lots of poo.
AlaskaFox
30/04/2011, 8:44 AM
Sorry, I'm too lazy to look this up: SO will this be the last friendly before WC Q Starts? Or will it have started already?
Again apologies. Was up at 4 AM waiting to see if the Queen wore an Apricot hat so I could collect my winnings. Damn.
Nope, it takes place before Euro 2012, so there will be plenty of other games in between, with WCQ starting after E12 is over.
Fixer82
30/04/2011, 11:02 AM
I'm thinking of starting a Suede tribute band called Psuede
Crosby87
30/04/2011, 11:44 AM
Thanks. Im a moron. For some reason I thought it took place after the Euros. So they are basically scheduling these games hoping they make Euros... And if they dont they are just kind of meaningless cold weather games many players would pull out of I would imagine...
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