Friendly against England in June?

[Charlie Darwin]

Going to stick up for Rovers and Bohs fans and ask you point out any trouble involving them and the national team?
I've seen umbrellas at Ireland matches before. Interestingly, there seems to be more of them during wet weather... the plot thickens.

[SkStu]

umbrellas? Case closed then, CD, eh? ;)

Are there direct buses from Tallaght to Lansdowne Road?

fixer is just talking through his gicker.

[Fixer82]

Going to stick up for Rovers and Bohs fans and ask you point out any trouble involving them and the national team?

As far as i know they've never been involved in any trouble with the national team. However, I think this could be seen as a unique opportunity to have a pop at English fans for '95

[Fixer82]

Not having a pop at Rovers or Bohs fans but the few idiots who would go to a Bohs-Rovers game cos something might kick off and go to very few other Bohs or Rovers games.

There's always an element of these morons in the Hill in Dublin jerseys around July too but ya won't catch them in Parnell Park on a cold Sunday in February

[SkStu]

As far as i know they've never been involved in any trouble with the national team. However, I think this could be seen as a unique opportunity to have a pop at English fans for '95

Why are they Bohs/Rovers fans fixer? There are plenty of people who have never set foot inside a LOI ground who would be more likely to use an Ireland/England game as an excuse for "revenge". Theyre simply called scumbags. I dont know why you've felt the need to attach them arbitrarily to 2 of the 6 Dublin clubs.

[culloty82]

The Champions supplement of the Examiner says that the match would be held in November if neither country are involved in play-offs, otherwise it will be February 2012.

[Sullivinho]

I'd love to be able to talk about the last time we played England without mentioning Nazis, hooligans, destruction and the like. If only for that reason, I'd support this going ahead. I imagine there'd be a massive security effort if it does.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Surely, er, that's a contradiction in terms.

Or are we talking crystal-ball gazing after a 'trouble-free' game?? The latter might be just too optimistic.
Unless the visiting fans are restricted in their entry and exit from the country(as with many club games), with appropriate limited access to the ground, especially in terms of nos. could I see this being such.
Hard on their 'normal' fans I know.

[Sullivinho]

Surely, er, that's a contradiction in terms.

No.


Or are we talking crystal-ball gazing after a 'trouble-free' game?? The latter might be just too optimistic.
Unless the visiting fans are restricted in their entry and exit from the country(as with many club games), with appropriate limited access to the ground, especially in terms of nos. could I see this being such.

Yes. Optimistic, sure. But the measures you outline wouldn't be contradictory to the security effort I mentioned. And I would expect security to take top billing during any planned encounter, nay a deciding factor in it's feasibility.

[elroy]

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

[John83]

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.
But wasn't one of them wearing a Celtic jersey.

*ducks*

[bennocelt]

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

Looks like you would be happy enough to be in the away end come the match, if it ever happens. Thats not if you are already in the corporate seats with your hero Delaney

[elroy]

Looks like you would be happy enough to be in the away end come the match, if it ever happens. Thats not if you are already in the corporate seats with your hero Delaney

Ah what justification have you for such a comment like that??! Full of factual well based argument of course.

If you condone the acts of that day (by both sides), that is your own personal opinion. I certainly dont. I think you will find though that my comment is most likely to ring true if and when the English come to town.

[BonnieShels]

Are you suggesting that FIFA and UEFA would rig draws? That's crazy talk.

Oh no no no no. Never would I suggest such a thing. Well... yes. ;)

[ArdeeBhoy]

If you condone the acts of that day (by both sides)

Who exactly, on the Irish side? The Gards in adminstering a riot??

[Fixer82]

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

This man articulated everything I was trying to say really

[elroy]

Who exactly, on the Irish side? The Gards in adminstering a riot??

No not the Guards, by both sides, I refer to the unionists/orange men who were marching in Dublin that day.........permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imo. The other side I refer to is the yobs in starting the riot, particularly those who used the building materials that were on O'Connell street that day to accentuate their violence further.

[tetsujin1979]

permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imoI think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

[BonnieShels]

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

Pretty much spot on. They can't stop a parade as it was fairly tame (in official reasoning that is).
However to have it when they did knowing full well the cream of the republican movement would be there and not silent and would probably notice the large lumps of granite sitting idly by on O'Connell St was the stupidest part of the decision.
I mean what harm starting somewhere else and ending somewhere else or explain to the organisers (who may have wanted the symbolism of walking by the GPO with a Lambeg) their fears and maybe delay it til when O'Connell St was finished etc.
Anyway, It's precisely what happened that I would have had reservations about this fixture going ahead. I have no faith in our gob****es.

[jbyrne]

It's precisely what happened that I would have had reservations about this fixture going ahead. I have no faith in our gob****es.

but why should we give in to that threat?
i can see merits of this proposed fixture on a few levels. its ridiculous that we should be dictated to by idiots that might cause trouble

[BonnieShels]

Well that's just the start of it.
I can't see any major footballing advantage to it just yet. I think that playing them in 2011 will be a far bigger distraction than it's worth.
It will undermine the Four Associations Tournament and I think that our priorities should lie there. And besides It's not happening!

[ArdeeBhoy]

I refer to the unionists/orange men who were marching in Dublin that day.........permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imo. The other side I refer to is the yobs in starting the riot, particularly those who used the building materials that were on O'Connell street that day to accentuate their violence further.

Agreed the bigots shouldn't have been there. As they only encouraged the others to come out of their shell.


I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants).

I think you'll find the vast majority of Protestants in the (non-Orange) Free State would have been against those cretins marching also. So please assume no hint of sectarianism here!!
;)

[Fixer82]

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay ;)

[jbyrne]

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay ;)

after watching 30 secs of that i'm sorry i didnt join in the riots that day

[elroy]

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay ;)

I remember this lad on the last word around the time alright, very very difficult to listen to. Have no problem with their marches but when its carried out in the right areas. Dublin City Centre is certainly not one of them. In the ROI, the orange order is certainly a very minor group, should we allow every minor group to march down O'Connell street. I think not.

[EalingGreen]

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

What people seem to be overlooking on this suggested match is that England had been due to play away to Thailand in June. Of course, it is just possible that Capello had sound footballing reasons for seeking such a game, but most observers seem to think that it was more to do with the recent World Cup 2018 vote at FIFA, where the Thai FA had one of the 22 votes, which it was expected would be cast for the England bid. So that when Thailand voted for someone else, the English FA promptly told them to go and fuc... er, find another opponent.

At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

However, when Capello got to hear of this, he realised that he could reassert his authority and demand an opponent which would be more suitable for preparing his team for their Euro Qualifiers in the Autumn.

[ifk101]

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

What people seem to be overlooking on this suggested match is that England had been due to play away to Thailand in June. Of course, it is just possible that Capello had sound footballing reasons for seeking such a game, but most observers seem to think that it was more to do with the recent World Cup 2018 vote at FIFA, where the Thai FA had one of the 22 votes, which it was expected would be cast for the England bid. So that when Thailand voted for someone else, the English FA promptly told them to go and fuc... er, find another opponent.

At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

However, when Capello got to hear of this, he realised that he could reassert his authority and demand an opponent which would be more suitable for preparing his team for their Euro Qualifiers in the Autumn.

There have been rumours about a possible England friendly long before the World Cup 2018 vote result. The June date is paper speculation.

[Gather round]

Have no problem with their marches but when its carried out in the right areas. Dublin City Centre is certainly not one of them. In the ROI, the orange order is certainly a very minor group, should we allow every minor group to march down O'Connell street. I think not

Surely opposition to an Orange Order front organisation marching down O'Connell Street isn't because it's very minor? More likely to be because it risks winding up Shinners and their hangers-on and thus provking a major riot, as happened in 2006.

The Garda and Government might have been justified in preventing the march- even if it had been just a symbolic small group of disabled and pensioners, without the Orange Order and possible paramilitary links. As it turned out, the impression given abroad was a large crowd of Dubliners rioting in Dublin.


At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

I think the FAI will have been monitoring this, Delaney isn't completely daft. As a 'test run' for a future England game, Dublin has two separate visits by two potentially large groups of Rangers fans for the Celtic Cup games, plus God knows who for the Europa Cup Final. They'll be better prepared than in 1995.

[geysir]

Dublin has two separate visits by two potentially large groups of Rangers fans for the Celtic Cup games, plus God knows who for the Europa Cup Final. They'll be better prepared than in 1995.
Are you referring to large groups of Rangers fans being in amongst the Tartan army? Never noticed that myself, possibly the most laid back and friendly support I have ever mixed with.
Rangers is a Union Jack club, Scotland is not a Union Jack team.
I hope you Norn Iron fans can manage to behave yourselves in Dublin and leave the worst elements, tied up to the lamp posts back home.

[Gather round]

Are you referring to large groups of Rangers fans being in amongst the Tartan army? Never noticed that myself

That's right. I'm fairly sure that Rangers are clearly the best-supported club side within the Tartan Army, as they are within the GAWA.


possibly the most laid back and friendly support I have ever mixed with

Like you, I've many friends who support Scotland, and never had any problems with 99%+ of their fans generally.


Rangers is a Union Jack club, Scotland is not a Union Jack team

I wasn't exagerrating any political point, merely reminding that there's an overlap between Rangers and Scotland fans. As you'd expect, given that they're clearly the best-supported club side in their country.


I hope you Norn Iron fans can manage to behave yourselves in Dublin and leave the worst elements, tied up to the lamp posts back home

I'm quite looking forward to the February game, but will give May a miss. Some trouble involving our respective trouble-makers is pretty likely, I'd say.

[elroy]

Surely opposition to an Orange Order front organisation marching down O'Connell Street isn't because it's very minor? More likely to be because it risks winding up Shinners and their hangers-on and thus provking a major riot, as happened in 2006.



The opposition would be in part to prevent a reason for trouble from both the SF/Eirigi and the unionist brigade. But the opposition would arise more so because imo such an order is not relevant to, wanted nor has any real presence in ROI.

The NI game is a night time game. The last time NI/ROI played at night was in 1993? I sincerely hope that no trouble arises but it will be a difficult one to police as there will be certain characters on both sides who would be more than happy to partake.

[Gather round]

But the opposition would arise more so because imo such an order is not relevant to, wanted nor has any real presence in ROI

If they were enirely irrelevant no-one would raise an eyebrow at 50 of them parading on Parnell Square, particularly if many of them were elderly and/or disabled. Any more than if they were an obscure Swiss Bank or Bulgarian homeless charity, or whatever.


The NI game is a night time game. The last time NI/ROI played at night was in 1993? I sincerely hope that no trouble arises but it will be a difficult one to police as there will be certain characters on both sides who would be more than happy to partake

A Setanta game between Linfield or Glens and Bohs or Rovers writ large? There is bound to be some lairiness, need for careful segregation, arrests and the like, but I'd expect the Garda to have detailed plans. But as they might well involve me being coralled into a freezing Ringsend car park for hours afterward I'd rather decline, thanks :)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Surely opposition to an Orange Order front organisation marching down O'Connell Street isn't because it's very minor? More likely to be because it risks winding up Shinners and their hangers-on and thus provking a major riot, as happened in 2006.

The Garda and Government might have been justified in preventing the march- even if it had been just a symbolic small group of disabled and pensioners, without the Orange Order and possible paramilitary links. As it turned out, the impression given abroad was a large crowd of Dubliners rioting in Dublin.
The 'riot' was largely unjustified. But even more unjustified was a minority group of archaic paranoid fools marching where they weren't wanted. Have they learnt anything from their experience up North??



I think the FAI will have been monitoring this, Delaney isn't completely daft. As a 'test run' for a future England game, Dublin has two separate visits by two potentially large groups of Rangers fans for the Celtic Cup games, plus God knows who for the Europa Cup Final. They'll be better prepared than in 1995.
Thought the North's fans were boycotting this. And if you'd ever met The Tartan Army outside Glasgow, hardly any of their fans support the Hun. Or Celtic for that matter, unsurprisingly enough.



I'm fairly sure that Rangers are clearly the best-supported club side within the Tartan Army, as they are within the GAWA.
Except they're not even the best-supported team in Glasgow, let alone The TA(see above/below). As for the North's fans, thought it was all ManU. or Linfield, an unholy alliance if there ever was one.
;)

I wasn't exagerrating any political point, merely reminding that there's an overlap between Rangers and Scotland fans. As you'd expect, given that they're clearly the best-supported club side in their country.
Not for the last 15 years or so. And they don't travel away, as do Celtic fans, as The TA have been keen to tell us!
;)

I'm quite looking forward to the February game, but will give May a miss.
Finally a game v. your other 'A' team??


If they were enirely irrelevant no-one would raise an eyebrow at 50 of them parading on Parnell Square, particularly if many of them were elderly and/or disabled. Any more than if they were an obscure Swiss Bank or Bulgarian homeless charity, or whatever.
Except it's what they potentially represent. And they weren't or won't be what you allude to in their make-up.
Also you seem to contradict your earlier point re. their relative status whilst the closing analogy makes no sense.

[gilberto_eire]

Not really an update on this as such.

But reading through this thread it was clear one of the biggest concerns was the element that might follow.

So my mind turned to Combat 18s forum and i joined that evening, however you need verification to see the threads so forgot about it until tonight.

There wasn't even a thread on the proposed friendly. There was mention of the ''Celtic Cup'' coming up but just general information about it.

There was some views shared though in the ''England world cup'' one, minor anti-irish sentiments but the general opinion was the ''blacks and the pakis'' are the problem and not other whites although IRA supporters are naturally not liked. The whole thread was about whether they'd be following England due to their large number of Black players.

I know it's not any great indicator of what to expect, but it's about as close as you'll get to the crowd behind the trouble in 1995.
It seems things have moved on, now that the North has somewhat settled and their attention has naturally turned to the mass emigration over the past 15 years.

[Charlie Darwin]

Still off-topic, but did anybody hear a few months back when Nick Griffin claimed the Irish as "ethnically British" or something to that effect? Couldn't possibly be anything to do with his own particular heritage! In any case, I'd wager the white nationalist movement in general has morphed even in the last 15 years to the point where there's probably not enough subscribers left to be discarding other "whites".

[bennocelt]

Wasnt there something during the time of the Landsowne Rd Riots where on some C18 stickers they had a list of their top 10 hated "etnics", and the Irish were 4th and at the time some Irish people were a little disappointed we were not top!!! Would imagine we are way down the list at this stage.

[paul_oshea]

Gilbert m16 are currently monitoring the new branch of NF in the west of Ireland

[Fixer82]

Still off-topic, but did anybody hear a few months back when Nick Griffin claimed the Irish as "ethnically British" or something to that effect? Couldn't possibly be anything to do with his own particular heritage! .

Exactly. He's trying to justify his Irish ancestry with that one. It's funny also how a group who were once very anti-semitic are now very much pro-Israel because the Muslims are now "the big enemy".

[ArdeeBhoy]

Wasnt there something during the time of the Landsowne Rd Riots where on some C18 stickers they had a list of their top 10 hated "ethnics", and the Irish were 4th and at the time some Irish people were a little disappointed we were not top!!! Would imagine we are way down the list at this stage.

No, we're still up there, just tucked in behind the 'muzzies'/Islam generally (Pakis-tan bears the brunt of this) and the Jews. Plus the 'black/half-caste' gangsta-type.
The 'No Surrender' thing is less so these days, but still pops up unexpectedly.

Though reading one of our 'fave' correspondents on here, originally from there many years ago, the North claim to have 'exclusive hating' rights on us. And have appointed us their rivals over and above 'Ingerland'.
:eek:

[EastTerracer]

The 'No Surrender' thing is less so these days, but still pops up unexpectedly.

I was at the Algeria-England game in Cape Town over the summer and was treated to a lusty chorus of "No Surrender" by a fairly substantial number of the England fans during the second half. I suppose the team's performance was reminiscent of the Graham Taylor days so maybe they were just feeling a bit nostalgic for the past.

[endabob1]

I was at the Algeria-England game in Cape Town over the summer and was treated to a lusty chorus of "No Surrender" by a fairly substantial number of the England fans during the second half. I suppose the team's performance was reminiscent of the Graham Taylor days so maybe they were just feeling a bit nostalgic for the past.

I was at that too, didn't hear the chant but I was at the opposite end to most of the England fans, they were out noised by the Algerian drums where I was.
To be fair there wasn't much on field action to sing about ;-)

[DeLorean]

I was in Derby for their opening match against the US. Watched it in a big pub where there were lots of chants and sing songs. The most popular by a distance were 'Ten German Bombers' and 'No Surrender to the IRA'.

[seanfhear]

I was in Derby for their opening match against the US. Watched it in a big pub where there were lots of chants and sing songs. The most popular by a distance were 'Ten German Bombers' and 'No Surrender to the IRA'.
Jaez these guys are "oh so lonely" for some enemies

They probably really grateful to Islamic terrorists for being good enemies. I wonder if the Islamic terrorists appreciates this.

[elroy]

Wouldnt be too sensitive about them singing no surrender. Many of us will happily join in with singing rebel songs at a sing song, or in the pub or at away matches etc. Doesnt mean we hate the Brits etc etc etc

[Gnobe]

Britain is still a anti-Irish in many respects. Anyone reading the bank bailouts a couple of months ago on the daily mail or the sun will know it still exists.

Nick Griffin says Irish are "indigenous" eh? So why does stories like this still exist?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342582/Migrant-numbers-willl-fall-significantly-2011-think-tank-warns.html

[Gather round]

their attention has naturally turned to the mass emigration over the past 15 years

I think they're more worried about mass immigration (although the other is a factor too- see any Australian cricket ground in recent weeks) :eek:


Nick Griffin claimed the Irish as "ethnically British" or something to that effect? Couldn't possibly be anything to do with his own particular heritage! In any case, I'd wager the white nationalist movement in general has morphed even in the last 15 years to the point where there's probably not enough subscribers left to be discarding other "whites"

It's probably a mistake to expect too much logic and consistency from the BNP, but I think the main reason for welcoming the Irish is to avoid any confusion or embarrassment to their Ulster unionist supporters.


No, we're still up there, just tucked in behind the 'muzzies'/Islam generally (Pakis-tan bears the brunt of this) and the Jews. Plus the 'black/half-caste' gangsta-type

I doubt this is true. I moved to England in the mid-80s, with the Troublings still in full swing but before it kicked off in Iraq. Systematic racism was far worse against non-whites than the Irish. With NI much less of an issue recently, even more so.


the North claim to have 'exclusive hating' rights on us. And have appointed us their rivals over and above 'Ingerland'

What are exclusive hating rights? But your correspondent may well be right, almost all NI fans I know see the Republic as more of a rival than England. Even before the eligibility row.


They probably really grateful to Islamic terrorists for being good enemies. I wonder if the Islamic terrorists appreciates this

I think the rarity of England football fixtures with Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan might be more of a factor. Although the Afghans have beaten Ireland, Scotland and the USA in cricket recently.


Wouldnt be too sensitive about them singing no surrender. Many of us will happily join in with singing rebel songs at a sing song, or in the pub or at away matches etc. Doesnt mean we hate the Brits etc etc etc

Indeed. Although the thing about 'No Surrender' is that it has long been associated with the BNP and similar far-right organisations. Regardless of who they're playing.


Britain is still a anti-Irish in many respects. Anyone reading the bank bailouts a couple of months ago on the daily mail or the sun will know it still exists

OK, but on that basis it's also anti Icelandic, Greek and the French/German-dominated EU. The Republic got more coverage because it's closer than the others, few people in Britain know or care much about Iceland or Greece.


Nick Griffin says Irish are "indigenous" eh? So why does stories like this still exist?

The Mail wouldn't thrive if it allowed Griffin's nutty theories to dictate their editorial line. The BNP has a 2-3% core vote here, but he's widely regarded as a crank. Whereas anxiety about immigration is a mainstream issue.

[Fixer82]

I was in Derby for their opening match against the US. Watched it in a big pub where there were lots of chants and sing songs. The most popular by a distance were 'Ten German Bombers' and 'No Surrender to the IRA'.

Must've been nice to see that howler from Rob Green so ;

[Sullivinho]

Must've been nice to see that howler from Rob Green so ;

Having neglected to compose an ode to the Yanks, they were at that moment, rendered speechless.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I think they're more worried about mass immigration (although the other is a factor too- see any Australian cricket ground in recent weeks)
Heh?


It's probably a mistake to expect too much logic and consistency from the BNP, but I think the main reason for welcoming the Irish is to avoid any confusion or embarrassment to their Ulster unionist supporters.
I moved to England in the mid-80s, with the Troublings still in full swing but before it kicked off in Iraq. Systematic racism was far worse against non-whites than the Irish.
Would have thought the BNP's stance on the North would find plenty of kindred spirits there. Especially down to the 'paranoia' factor! :eek:
Plus their unionist mates hardly want to be referred to as 'Irish'....
Except when it suits them.

And it was 'The Troubles'.

Ask real Irish people in England between the '50-80's about that anti-Irish thing. This discrimination was alive & well for many decades.
The colour thing was more obvious sadly, which made the anti-Irish sentiments even more repulsive from that context.


What are exclusive hating rights? But your correspondent may well be right, almost all NI fans I know see the Republic as more of a rival than England.

Why I don't know? Though seems to be labelled such by certain Nordies living in their mother 'country'.

They claim we are rightly mediocre and most of our fans don't have an issue with them, whereas 'Ingerland' have a far superior record at generally thrashing the North & qualifying for major tournaments, period.
:-(


I think the rarity of England football fixtures with Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan might be more of a factor. Although the Afghans have beaten Ireland, Scotland and the USA in cricket recently.
Meaning?


Although the thing about 'No Surrender' is that it has long been associated with the BNP and similar far-right organisations.
Unlike some of the North's fans to whom this is just a gentle loosener.
Hypocrisy? Surely not....


The Republic got more coverage because it's closer than the others, few people in Britain know or care much about Iceland or Greece.
Is there a country in the western EU referred to by this term? I think not!
Also the anti-Irish sentiment as stated elsewhere, still prevails in Brit.society.


The Mail wouldn't thrive if it allowed Griffin's nutty theories to dictate their editorial line. The BNP has a 2-3% core vote here, but he's widely regarded as a crank.
So insanity meets the Brit. political mainstream. What a surprise....

[peadar1987]

I found plenty of anti-Irish sentiment from English people when I was living in Edinburgh. They were okay most of the time, but if you ever got their bad side, it was always straight to the "stupid Paddy", mocking the accent, and barbs about potatoes. Mind you, it's not as prevalent, or as sickening, as the anti-English sentiments expressed regularly in Ireland.