Will Obama lose in 2012?

[ArdeeBhoy]

The tea party is in many ways the dying kick of those of white European stock.

Hmm, a bit insulting to the majority of Caucasian Americans who would probably never vote for them.

That said, my only slight dissent is that Obama's constituency has become disengaged and unless he can get to refocus, Obama will still struggle. Especially up against the evil axis of Fox News and the nutty strands of the US conservative (and paranoid) media, especially when set against his relative mediocrity.

[Noelys Guitar]

Hmm, a bit insulting to the majority of Caucasian Americans who would probably never vote for them.

That said, my only slight dissent is that Obama's constituency has become disengaged and unless he can get to refocus, Obama will still struggle. Especially up against the evil axis of Fox News and the nutty strands of the US conservative (and paranoid) media, especially when set against his relative mediocrity.

I should re-phrase that. I meant right leaning descendents of European's who are angry at their perceived lack of power in America. The Democrats need the Tea party to keep rolling to help Obama mobilise the Dem base. The Clintons who are still hugely popular with independent voters will play a big part in 2012.

[ArdeeBhoy]

No offence taken. Sorry, that was implied....

Just very uncertain independents will back Obama, based on last week.

[Noelys Guitar]

No offence taken. Sorry, that was implied....

Just very uncertain independents will back Obama, based on last week.

I saw the error of my ways Ardeebhoy. My other points about Europeans and European culture are bearing out this week. Proven American surveilleance of Norway and Sweden. It simply would never have happened 20 years ago. It almost beggars belief (for those not living here). I'm not surprised. And I very much doubt they are the only two European Countries under surveilleance.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Anywhere, anyone has a pulse will be under observation, especially like Norway if they have oil....

[mark12345]

"What the hell are you talking about? If some immigrants crashed a couple of planes into Dublin, killing thousands, would we pull their ashes out of the fiery wreckage to give them a good kicking before invading Andorra to seize key skiing slopes? .....
I really only have one question for you: are you a troll, or do you really believe this stuff?"


I don't know, I guess I must be a troll who hasn't a clue about what's going on? But speaking of people crashing planes and killing thousands surely you'll be able to educate me on why those people who hijack planes and put bombs in ink cartridges, timed to detonate over the Eastern United States, as was in the news today, do so. Please educate this poor troll.

[peadar1987]

"What the hell are you talking about? If some immigrants crashed a couple of planes into Dublin, killing thousands, would we pull their ashes out of the fiery wreckage to give them a good kicking before invading Andorra to seize key skiing slopes? .....
I really only have one question for you: are you a troll, or do you really believe this stuff?"


I don't know, I guess I must be a troll who hasn't a clue about what's going on? But speaking of people crashing planes and killing thousands surely you'll be able to educate me on why those people who hijack planes and put bombs in ink cartridges, timed to detonate over the Eastern United States, as was in the news today, do so. Please educate this poor troll.



In a short sentence: Reactionary response to US interventionism. It doesn't justify it, but it explains it

[ArdeeBhoy]

"What the hell are you talking about? If some immigrants crashed a couple of planes into Dublin, killing thousands, would we pull their ashes out of the fiery wreckage to give them a good kicking before invading Andorra to seize key skiing slopes? .....
I really only have one question for you: are you a troll, or do you really believe this stuff?"


I don't know, I guess I must be a troll who hasn't a clue about what's going on? But speaking of people crashing planes and killing thousands surely you'll be able to educate me on why those people who hijack planes and put bombs in ink cartridges, timed to detonate over the Eastern United States, as was in the news today, do so. Please educate this poor troll.
You need to come up with a better and realistic analogy. And understand the causal factors that drive the extremists in response to the U's overt imperialism.

[Crosby87]

Wow there is some serious anti Americanism on here that is very poorly thought out. Hope my friends on Wall Street didn't read about Ireland today it might lead them to actually hate people. Or just to be hateful, in general. Isn't that how not knowing hte facts works?
As for the topic I think Barry Hussein will win in 2012 but Mark Rubio is possibly a very very interesting challenger though he was just elected to Governor last week.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them shelve Joe Biden in favor of someone else (A white woman like Olympia Snow who is technically a Republican) either in 12 months.
And that's my 2 cents.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Or you could just look to see what some Irish-based posters in the US have said ?

An anti-Americanism based on their foreign 'policy', should be resisted wherever possible given their continual and usually unnecessary control-freakery. Who cares what Wall Street thinks anyway.

And Rubio is just another Tea Party apologist and cretin to boot. If he's the answer, may a higher power help us all....

[strangeirish]

As for the topic I think Barry Hussein will win in 2012 but Mark Rubio is possibly a very very interesting challenger though he was just elected to Governor last week.
Don't mean to be a pedant, but Rubio was elected to the US senate. Rick Scott is the Governor elect for Florida.

By the way, did the Tea Party teach you to refer to the President of the United States as Barry Hussein? I mean, speaking of anti Americanism and all..

[dahamsta]

I actually genuinely missed that, it was such a dumb reference. Not just anti-american, but juuuust a little bit racist too. Charming.

[peadar1987]

Are you one of those people who thinks he's a secret Muslim?

[The Fly]

The tea party is in many ways the dying kick of those of white hillbilly stock.

Fixed.

[mark12345]

In a short sentence: Reactionary response to US interventionism. It doesn't justify it, but it explains it


It's a point of view. Ok, and I accept that.

But the rights or wrongs of Iraq and Afghanistan aside (and I guess only time will tell), neither of us can deny that US intervention has saved tens of millions of lives over the decades. Be it from either of the World Wards to the Bay of Pigs to Bosnia to saving flood victims after the tsunami and in Pakistan, to their intervention on behalf of the Chilean miners. Just sayin....

[pineapple stu]

And how many lives has US intervention cost in places like Haiti, Chile, Grenada or other similar places, adding in lives lost keeping those countries in poverty so the US could enjoy luxury?

And I don't think you could possibly show - even with wild exaggeration - that the US has saved the lives of "tens of millions".

[strangeirish]

It's a point of view. Ok, and I accept that.

But the rights or wrongs of Iraq and Afghanistan aside (and I guess only time will tell), neither of us can deny that US intervention has saved tens of millions of lives over the decades. Be it from either of the World Wards to the Bay of Pigs to Bosnia to saving flood victims after the tsunami and in Pakistan, to their intervention on behalf of the Chilean miners. Just sayin....*Pedant alert*
Don't see how the Bay of Pigs 'invasion' has anything to do with your point, however, if you're referring to the Cuban missile crisis, that would make more sense. The two are quite often confused.

[SaucyJack]

I do know them, and proud that I do. But maybe we're all idiots and you are the only one who knows what he's talking about.

If you lived in the US for any length of time you'd see things vastly differently.

I know a Kurd who's very thankful to the Americans for saving his family. I'd say there are plenty of Bosnians who thinkg the same way. And hopefully if Iran and Israel go to war, which just may happen the way things are going, you won't be looking to America for protection.

I'm sure the Iraqi Christian community( one of the oldest Christian communities on earth), who were relatively untouched before U.S. intervention, are really grateful.

[Crosby87]

Apologies I meant Senate.
Does the Tea Party hold classes to teach me? I went to college in Boulder, might even be more democratic than San Fran.
I don't dislike Barry. He seems in a little over his head, but who wouldnt be?
Some on here seem like the elitist humorless fact less people that John Stewart talks about though. I do think some on here have all they can handle with their little cup and little spoon, to be talking about American Politics. Ireland has done very well for being neutral over the years while many Irish-Americans have spilled blood.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Have they, how so?
JFK??

[mark12345]

Ireland has done very well for being neutral over the years while many Irish-Americans have spilled blood.

Very good point. Couldn't have said it better myself Crosby (except to add that we Irish are experts on every war we never fought in). But I don't think you'll get much change out of this crowd of faultless 'experts'.

[osarusan]

You will very soon meet an angry hamster. He's worse that that killer rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[peadar1987]

Islamic extremists have also spilt a lot of blood. I suppose that makes their opinion more valid than mine.

[bennocelt]

Very good point. Couldn't have said it better myself Crosby (except to add that we Irish are experts on every war we never fought in). But I don't think you'll get much change out of this crowd of faultless 'experts'.

Why dont you go on and enlist then, there is a war to be fought over in Iraq just waiting for you and your brand of freedom, or are yah yella

[dahamsta]

You will very soon meet an angry hamster. He's worse that that killer rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

They're entitled to their opinions, even if all it extends to is parrotting of Fox. I find users and opinions such as this are best met with silence. A conversation with a wall tends to be more enlightening and informative. I'll be over here talking to the wall.

[peadar1987]

I'll be over here talking to the wall.

I'd be careful, it wasn't built to stand up to that sort of treatment!

[dahamsta]

It was asking for it!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Islamic extremists have also spilt a lot of blood. I suppose that makes their opinion more valid than mine.

Where their countries have been invaded by Americans, Yes.

[dahamsta]

TBh this thread has wandered off topic into the realms of the ridiculous and the emotional. Let's get back to the core topic. To reiterate my opinion:

Of course he bloody won't. What a stupid question. :)

[BonnieShels]

The Obama's New World Order ad that popped up there on your post made me giggle.

[peadar1987]

The Obama's New World Order ad that popped up there on your post made me giggle.

Yeah, US politics seems to attract a ludicrous amount of mental! Can you imagine massive campaigns in Ireland saying Bertie was a secret Sikh, Gerry Adams was a huge monarchist, or Éamonn Gilmore was in fact born in Tajikistan?

[dahamsta]

Of course all of those are true. Who have you been talking to? Are you wearing your apron?

<proffers sekrit handshake>

[ArdeeBhoy]

TBh this thread has wandered off topic into the realms of the ridiculous and the emotional. Let's get back to the core topic. To reiterate my opinion:

Of course he bloody won't. What a stupid question. :)

Except the two are related. As in their foreign policy and the relative standing of Obama.
Though would agree is ultimately going to be dependent on the US economy, of which their 'defence' spending is not insignificant.

[culloty82]

TBh this thread has wandered off topic into the realms of the ridiculous and the emotional. Let's get back to the core topic. To reiterate my opinion:

Of course he bloody won't. What a stupid question. :)

I hope you're right but I'll take the virtual bet on, don't say you weren't warned when President Huckabee gives his victory speech.

[dahamsta]

See #50 (http://foot.ie/threads/143543-Will-Obama-lose-in-2012?p=1422161&viewfull=1#post1422161). I really, really dislike repeating myself.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hmm.

And would largely agree with you. Doesn't make it 100% definite to happen, that's all.

If Obama looks like being re-elected would suspect the mud-slinging (or the odds involving dodging of bullets) to be greatly increased.
Never mind their attention span, there's a lot of very paranoid people in the US.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Good News for Dah. et al.
According to the numerous news feeds, S.Palin preparing to run for the US Presidency.


May a Higher Power assist us all.

[John83]

Seriously? :bulgy:

[dahamsta]

It was a given John83, whatcha think she's been at for the last year or so? The sad thing is, a rake of people'll vote for her.

[John83]

It was a given John83, whatcha think she's been at for the last year or so? The sad thing is, a rake of people'll vote for her.
Heck, if she's selected as the Republican candidate, I take back what I said - Obama will win by a mile.

[Angus]

Obama is unbeatable in 2012 - the GOP wont run anyone serious against him

The one possibility is that the economy double dips but once that jobless number falls he us home and dry

[dancinpants]

I dunno Angus. He seems to be losing support left, right and centre - figuratively and literally. I honestly believe someone like Romney could take him. The republicans just seem to be able to politik much much better. They're a horrible, horrible party but they just seem bullet proof right now....all the while they can still make Obama look either uncompromising or just flat out weak.

[ArdeeBhoy]

They reckon the fella from Indiana Mike Pence is the one to watch.
Anyone know anything about this lad?

[strangeirish]

They reckon the fella from Indiana Mike Pence is the one to watch.
Anyone know anything about this lad?
Pence describes himself as "A Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order."

That's enough for me...:o

[Angus]

Now, he has a lame duck congress right now but in the last 3 days he has 3 big wins - DADT, the Russian thing and the 9/11 fire fighters thing.

The one sure way for him to guarantee vistory in 2012 was to lose the House. He now has someone to blame if stuff goes badly - and he is very very good at this. As someone above said, by and large the GOP are much better than the Dems at politics but this guy is a pro.

Also bear in mind that the president is elected by 5 states - Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and one of Iowa, Michigan. The nuts on both sides determine NY, Cal, Wyoming, Georgia, Texas etc - he won 365 EV's last time and he needs 270, so can afford to lose 95 - that means he basically needs to lose everything he lost last time, and to lose 5 other huge states.

And his team know that - so I just can't see it. And he won't be making any dumbass mistakes like Carter (malaise) or Bush Snr (read my lips) and there are no Reagans or Clintons in the GOP with the cojones to stand against this guy.

It is clearly possible - but I can't see it. It would take a terrorist attack in the US. And Adam, I know you are strict on defamation, but let's not kid ourselves that there are some lunatics on the fringe of the right who have figured that out.

[Mr A]

As usual, it'll be all about the economy. If it picks up before the election he's grand. If not he's bucked.

[Colbert Report]

The bookies have the Democrats to retain the Presidency in 2012 at odds of 2/3.

Republicans are 4/3.

Easy money on the Republicans. Obama is a one term president if I ever saw one. No way the USA picks up job-wise in the next twenty-two months without taking on enormous debt.

[dancinpants]

Article on CNN suggests that the "double dip" in the housing markets is almost upon us. http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/28/real_estate/home_prices_fall/index.htm?hpt=T2 . Bad news for Obama IMO.

[SkStu]

Donald Trump rumoured to be running in 2012. I honestly think he would be an excellent candidate and he also, arguably, would have the finances and connections to make a good run. I dont think he is affiliated to Dems or GOP, but rumours suggest he would be a Republican candidate? Surely he would have to run independent.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/friday/sfl-donald-trump-for-president-buzz-021811,0,3459218.story

[TiocfaidhArmani]

The bookies have the Democrats to retain the Presidency in 2012 at odds of 2/3.

Republicans are 4/3.

Easy money on the Republicans. Obama is a one term president if I ever saw one. No way the USA picks up job-wise in the next twenty-two months without taking on enormous debt.

It just depends on who they run. I would fancy Romney. I feel for Obama because he inherited a mess like no other, which was no fault of his own and was expected to clear it up in no time, which was never going to happen.

Legislatively, with the health care bill, Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal, nuclear arms treaty with Russia and gaining the deal to provide health care for the 9/11 survivors, he's not done bad at all.