Trap out now!

[Scooby Doo]

Have just logged on after coming home from the match. As I predicted, this silly thread was at the top of the list. Trap experimented abit - not as much as we'd have liked - but seriously, sacking him for not playing Coleman or changing the system in a glorified training game?
Positives - Doyle and Long partnership coming along nicely and this is vitally important given Keane's current woes. Fahey also looked decent and we saw that a CM midfield partnership with a more confident Whelan is viable option for a competitive game. It was also good to give Hunt a run out as I think it may help him confidence wise. And as for NcGeady, I think it would have been slightly unfair not to give hima runout seeing as he did make the long journey from Moscow and is beginning to gain confidence in an Irish shirt.

This game will soon be forgotten but I think it was a somewhat useful exercise for Trap and the team and gives him some food for thought over the next three months.

[tommy_c12000]

Have just logged on after coming home from the match. As I predicted, this silly thread was at the top of the list. Trap experimented abit - not as much as we'd have liked - but seriously, sacking him for not playing Coleman or changing the system in a glorified training game?
Positives - Doyle and Long partnership coming along nicely and this is vitally important given Keane's current woes. Fahey also looked decent and we saw that a CM midfield partnership with a more confident Whelan is viable option for a competitive game. It was also good to give Hunt a run out as I think it may help him confidence wise. And as for NcGeady, I think it would have been slightly unfair not to give hima runout seeing as he did make the long journey from Moscow and is beginning to gain confidence in an Irish shirt.

This game will soon be forgotten but I think it was a somewhat useful exercise for Trap and the team and gives him some food for thought over the next three months.

Only thing learned from 2nite was that Fahey may not be up to playing middle of the park on the international stage just yet and that Cunningham has a bit of maturing to undergo before you would trust him in a competitive game.

For some time now, I have had my suspicions that there are a few FAI spin doctors on this forum. How you can call this a "somewhat useful exercise" is beyond me.

[Supreme feet]

For some time now, I have had my suspicions that there are a few FAI spin doctors on this forum. How you can call this a "somewhat useful exercise" is beyond me.

Nothing 'spin doctor'-ish about passionate fans of a football team taking some positives from one of the few games we actually play. When we beat Holland in 2004 in Amsterdam, or when we beat Denmark 4-0 in 2007, did we all rave about it and urge the FAI to extend Kerr or Staunton's contracts? Should Jack Charlton have considered his position after losing to the Czech Republic in 1994? Or McCarthy after losing to Nigeria before the 2002 WC?

No. Getting worked up about a friendly result is ridiculous. These friendlies are not played at near the intensity of a competitive international, anything can happen in them, and the results are pretty meaningless. The side that lost 3-0 to Australia last year was almost identical to that which started in Paris, bar Gibson and McGeady for Andrews and Lawrence. What we look for in these games is how newcomers and fringe players can link up with the established players, and more is achieved in training than on the pitch. Sometimes, the experimental partnerships will click. Other times, they won't.

We've just got a creditable win in Armenia and a draw away to our main second-place rivals. We're in a great position to take the best runners-up slot, and the squad is filling out nicely, with intense competition for places, and all of our good young players (Meyler, McCarthy, Wilson, Coleman, Cunningham, Duffy) being called into the senior squads at some stage. Compare that to the 'no future' scenario three years ago. If we were to sack Trapattoni, the rest of the footballing world would be laughing at us, and no high-profile manager in their right mind would touch the job with a ten-foot pole.

Russia lost 2-0 to Belgium last night. Will they be calling for Advocaat's head in Moscow tomorow?

[tommy_c12000]

I'm certainly not worked about the result. Results of friendlies don't matter a ****e. What upsets me is that Trap once again wasted another golden chance to blood in a couple of players and make the most of the limited resources he has. He simply is not getting the full use of the players we have period

[tetsujin1979]

Russia lost 2-0 to Belgium last night. Will they be calling for Advocaat's head in Moscow tomorow?
Spain lost 4-0 to Portugal, will they be calling for del Bosque's head in Madrid
Brazil lost 1-0 to Argentina, will they be calling for Menezes' head in Brasilia?
Australia lost 3-0 to Egypt, will they be calling for Osieck's head in Canberra?
England lost 2-1 to France, will they be calling for Capello's head in Lon...err, never mind

[Junior]

Good Capital City knowledege there Tets :-)

[tetsujin1979]

Good Capital City knowledege there Tets :-)
My junior cert geography teacher, Mr McGrath, would be proud! He'd probably be a whole lot prouder if I did it for the leaving as well, but that's another story.

[paul_oshea]

Good Capital City knowledege there Tets :-)

It might be but it has limited reference to anything, other than they be capitals......

Take brazil for example their FA " is based in Barra da Tijuca neighborhood, Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro state." And as far as im aware Australias is based in melbourne :P :D

[Junior]

But surely you are then suggesting that it would be the relevant FA's that would be calling for their own managers head?

I think Tets may have been inferring that it was the vibrant football supporters of the capital city for each country. I think you are only too aware of the Canberra Ultras - so don't be pedantic........

[Supreme feet]

I'm certainly not worked about the result. Results of friendlies don't matter a ****e. What upsets me is that Trap once again wasted another golden chance to blood in a couple of players and make the most of the limited resources he has. He simply is not getting the full use of the players we have period

That's debatable. It's been said on here time and again that the problems in the team lie at left-back and central midfield. The rest of the team is fine. Trap tried a new left-back and a new central midfield partnership last night, so he is trying to address the problem areas - while maintaining continuity. This is what sensible managers do. Look at Germany - they didn't just 'rip it up and start again' before the World Cup - they brought their young lads in gradually over a number of years, and still kept the average age of the team quite high. They didn't just throw together a new team based on whoever was Bundesliga 'flavour of the month' before the WC.

It would have been nice to see Coleman come on in his 'Everton position', but would he really have done enough to take Lawrence or McGeady's place for the big games next year? As for Wilson, I've seen him play a few times, and he looks only adequate, a big lad who offers little more than Andrews or Whelan. I'd rather wait until February and see McCarthy and Meyler. Even at that, memories of Sean Thornton, Stephen Elliott, Stephen McPhail, Jason Gavin and Michael Reddy are too fresh for me to get too excited about our young Premiership players.

[paul_oshea]

But surely you are then suggesting that it would be the relevant FA's that would be calling for their own managers head?

I think Tets may have been inferring that it was the vibrant football supporters of the capital city for each country. I think you are only too aware of the Canberra Ultras - so don't be pedantic........

No, but they would be making the decision.

Though, perhaps the associations are in the more vibrant football supporting cities of said states?

Anyway the point being, he didnt need to show off he knows how to use google ; ) :D

[tommy_c12000]

In my opinion, McCarthy would be established in the Irish midfield if Trap had not got the sulk when McCarthy pulled out of the end of the season friendlies in May. For a man as old and experienced as he is you'd think he'd have grown up a bit by now. Trap is as stubborn as they come and there is a huge risk of alienating more worthy irish players from the set up:

Andy Reid - alienated
James McCarthy - alienated (Trap has tested this guy's patience and you would hardly blame him if he defected back to Scotland)
Stephen Reid - alienated (Sunday Times interview 3 wks ago, it was evident at how shambolic he was treated by Trap. Absolutely no respect was shown by Trap.

Andy Reid would have given us an extra option 20 mins to go if things were not going to plan. I'm not saying he would have changed things drastically though.
Having seen McCarthy playing on at least 10 occasions, he certainly would have made a huge difference in our non-existent midfield. The guy is a touch of class.
With his injuries S Reid wouldn't have done much, but having broken back into the WB team recently he could prove a viable option yet if he gets a good run at it. He would not have retired if he had been treated with some degree of respect. Still though he can be coaxed back but don't think Trap's ego will make it a reality.

Don Givens had an amazing skill of bearing grudges and alienating talented players. Trap is the exact same (look back to his Bayern Munich days). How many more quality players will he alienate before he his tenure ends??

[paul_oshea]

SupremeFeet, id be worried about meyler getting game time, guan or whatever he is called cost bruce 13 mil and he needs to justify that, besides sunderland are playing decent of late.

[tetsujin1979]

SupremeFeet, id be worried about meyler getting game time, guan or whatever he is called cost bruce 13 mil and he needs to justify that, besides sunderland are playing decent of late.
Gyan, and you do realise they play in different positions?

[paul_oshea]

Gyan, and you do realise they play in different positions?

ya he is a striker but bruce has said he will play him behind campbell/wellbeck as opposed to a normal 4-4-2. I suppose though he doesn't play that far up, though last year in the games i saw him play he was around the opposition box more than his own. I spose zenden( i cant see him dislodging henderson in a central role given he has just been called up by england) might be the one he has to dislodge and i dont see that happening.

[Supreme feet]

Meyler will get game time at Sunderland. Cattermole is always good for a few suspensions.

Tommyc,
Andy Reid was an issue last year when he was fit and playing well. Not so much now. In any case, he has said that he feels uncomfortable playing in the centre.
James McCarthy will be in the squad when fit. Trap has even said in October that he wanted to have a look at him.
Steven Reid has missed two and a half of the last four seasons, due in part to suffering or aggravating injuries playing for Ireland (Germany 2006 and Montenegro 2008). It made perfect sense for him to retire from internationals. Saying he retired because of Trap is mere conspiracy theory. Besides, Brian Kerr treated him FAR worse, and he kept playing on.

All these are based on quotes from the horse's respective mouths. I can't find the links, but they've all been produced on here before.

[Charlie Darwin]

In my opinion, McCarthy would be established in the Irish midfield if Trap had not got the sulk when McCarthy pulled out of the end of the season friendlies in May. For a man as old and experienced as he is you'd think he'd have grown up a bit by now. Trap is as stubborn as they come and there is a huge risk of alienating more worthy irish players from the set up:
McCarthy has pulled out of every squad he's been named in, except for Brazil. To suggest he'd be established in the midfield after a maximum of two games is going way too far.

[tetsujin1979]

McCarthy has pulled out of every squad he's been named in.
He's been named in two (Brazil and the training camp in May)
Played against Brazil, despite carrying a slight knock
Pulled out of the training camp
was injured so never named for the Norway game
and he's played in all the U21 games he was called up for

[Brendan 82]

Meyler will get game time at Sunderland. Cattermole is always good for a few suspensions.

Tommyc,
Andy Reid was an issue last year when he was fit and playing well. Not so much now. In any case, he has said that he feels uncomfortable playing in the centre.
James McCarthy will be in the squad when fit. Trap has even said in October that he wanted to have a look at him.
Steven Reid has missed two and a half of the last four seasons, due in part to suffering or aggravating injuries playing for Ireland (Germany 2006 and Montenegro 2008). It made perfect sense for him to retire from internationals. Saying he retired because of Trap is mere conspiracy theory. Besides, Brian Kerr treated him FAR worse, and he kept playing on.

All these are based on quotes from the horse's respective mouths. I can't find the links, but they've all been produced on here before.

That is a stretch to say it is "mere" conspiracy theory when Reid's manager at the time, Allardyce, lambasted Trap (correctly) for his ridiculous and insensitive comments about Reid's injury and the future trajectory of his career.

[SwanVsDalton]

That is a stretch to say it is "mere" conspiracy theory when Reid's manager at the time, Allardyce, lambasted Trap (correctly) for his ridiculous and insensitive comments about Reid's injury and the future trajectory of his career.

Big Sam would lambast anyone for a Cornish pastie. I wouldn't listen to what he says at any point but particularly in this case since Allardyce said it while simultaneously ushering Reid out of Ewood Park.

[Brendan 82]

Big Sam would lambast anyone for a Cornish pastie. I wouldn't listen to what he says at any point but particularly in this case since Allardyce said it while simultaneously ushering Reid out of Ewood Park.

True, he was ushering Reid out of Blackburn so we can see his motivation for keeping Reid's appearances up, but that in my opinion does not excuse Trap's comments. Also, I don't get the hatred for Allardyce, he is clearly an excellent football manager

[tetsujin1979]

True, he was ushering Reid out of Blackburn so we can see his motivation for keeping Reid's appearances up, but that in my opinion does not excuse Trap's comments. Also, I don't get the hatred for Allardyce, he is clearly an excellent football manager
Excellent? He's above average, at best. Just ask any Newcastle fan. I'd rank him alongside Pulis, Curbishley, Pardew and Holloway in terms of actual managerial ability. But they come off a whole lot more likeable than Allardyce ever did

[Brendan 82]

Excellent? He's above average, at best. Just ask any Newcastle fan.

Had a bad time at Newcastle, that is about it. Been very good elsewhere and makes the most of meagre budgets. He has a good eye for players and his teams are always tough to beat. Maybe "excellent" is a stretch but he is a very good manager and I believe that people who think he is "a joke" or a "crap manager" do not really know what they are on about. Or they have not been watching the Premiership the last 10 years. Plenty of "good' managers have shown themselves incapable of managing in the Premiership; not Allardyce though, he is well able.

[SwanVsDalton]

Had a bad time at Newcastle, that is about it. Been very good elsewhere and makes the most of meagre budgets. He has a good eye for players and his teams are always tough to beat. Maybe "excellent" is a stretch but he is a very good manager and I believe that people who think he is "a joke" or a "crap manager" do not really know what they are on about. Or they have not been watching the Premiership the last 10 years. Plenty of "good' managers have shown themselves incapable of managing in the Premiership; not Allardyce though, he is well able.

Don't think he's a bad manager - just think he's a mouth.

[tetsujin1979]

Had a bad time at Newcastle, that is about it. Been very good elsewhere and makes the most of meagre budgets. He has a good eye for players and his teams are always tough to beat. Maybe "excellent" is a stretch but he is a very good manager and I believe that people who think he is "a joke" or a "crap manager" do not really know what they are on about. Or they have not been watching the Premiership the last 10 years. Plenty of "good' managers have shown themselves incapable of managing in the Premiership; not Allardyce though, he is well able.
I never said he's a bad manager, or that he was incapable in the Premiership. I just think that his level is mid table, he'll never get a team into the Champions League, peaked with Bolton in the UEFA Cup, and hasn't repeated anything close to that success since.

[bennocelt]

True, he was ushering Reid out of Blackburn so we can see his motivation for keeping Reid's appearances up, but that in my opinion does not excuse Trap's comments. Also, I don't get the hatred for Allardyce, he is clearly an excellent football manager

OMG:eek:
Obviously havent watched his teams of late, have you?
Future Real madrid manger according to himself

[Brendan 82]

I never said he's a bad manager, or that he was incapable in the Premiership. I just think that his level is mid table, he'll never get a team into the Champions League, peaked with Bolton in the UEFA Cup, and hasn't repeated anything close to that success since.

Has he ever managed a team capable of getting into the Champions League? No. And I believe that was the point he was making when he was talking about himself managing Real or Barca. His comments on that issue were quite laughable but he is a mouth, as is Mourinho mind you. A mouth, but a good manager nonetheless

[Brendan 82]

OMG:eek:
Obviously havent watched his teams of late, have you?
Future Real madrid manger according to himself

Yes I have. Have you?

[tetsujin1979]

Has he ever managed a team capable of getting into the Champions League? No.Newcastle played in the Champions League before

And I believe that was the point he was making when he was talking about himself managing Real or Barca. His comments on that issue were quite laughable but he is a mouth, as is Mourinho mind you. A mouth, but a good manager nonethelessMourinho can back it up with trophies and medals, Sam can't

[Charlie Darwin]

Excellent? He's above average, at best. Just ask any Newcastle fan. I'd rank him alongside Pulis, Curbishley, Pardew and Holloway in terms of actual managerial ability. But they come off a whole lot more likeable than Allardyce ever did
Allardyce got Bolton up to 6th place and the UEFA Cup - not bad for an average manager at one of the lesser-financed clubs.

[tetsujin1979]

Allardyce got Bolton up to 6th place and the UEFA Cup - not bad for an average manager at one of the lesser-financed clubs.
I know, I said so. Go back and read this post again.

I never said he's a bad manager, or that he was incapable in the Premiership. I just think that his level is mid table, he'll never get a team into the Champions League, peaked with Bolton in the UEFA Cup, and hasn't repeated anything close to that success since.

Also Bolton were pretty well financed, his transfer policy was to buy players on Bosman transfers or at the end of their contract on the cheap, and then spend what would have been the transfer fee on wages (e.g. Okacha, Campo, Anelka, Djorkaeff) he had far more money to spend at Newcastle and got nowhere

[paul_oshea]

Yes I have. Have you?

NO he doesn't watch ireland or Premiership, only LOI supposedly.

[bennocelt]

Yes I have. Have you?

So you enjoy it then, good football is it??????

[Charlie Darwin]

I know, I said so. Go back and read this post again.


Also Bolton were pretty well financed, his transfer policy was to buy players on Bosman transfers or at the end of their contract on the cheap, and then spend what would have been the transfer fee on wages (e.g. Okacha, Campo, Anelka, Djorkaeff) he had far more money to spend at Newcastle and got nowhere
I know, but I was using it as evidence he's got a good record. Bolton were well-financed but not compared to the teams they beat to 6th place.

[bennocelt]

NO he doesn't watch ireland or Premiership, only LOI supposedly.

Yeah I watch any football that is on the box, no matter.
Enjoying Traps football Paul?

[paul_oshea]

Yeah I watch any football that is on the box, no matter.
Enjoying Traps football Paul?

What do you think Benno?!

[Lenny82]

Traps only mistake last night was not giving Coleman a run. I thought Trap might have taken Long off as he looked knackered with 10 minutes to go (he worked his socks off up to that), and stuck McGeady in behind Walters, putting Coleman on RW.

I thought we played well and Cunningham was fantastic apart from one blip when he played the ball accross the defence and their striker nearly got his foot on it. It should only be a couple of games now before Kilbane is displaced!!

Fahey played as well as any centre mid in an Irish shirt has played of late and Foley and Kelly held their own at RB which gives Trap no reason now whatsoever to pick Paul McShane ever again!!!!

Anyone know what the attendance was? It wasn't announced at the match funnily enough!!!

[paul_oshea]

Cunningham wasn't fantastic, defensively i thought he got turned inside a couple of times too easily and was at fault for their second goal, apart from the mistake he was caught too far forward and couldn't get back. Going forward he was very good and his passing range(with both feet) is only what kilbane could dream of.

Josh at CH was also poor enough i thought as pointed out by geysir on another thread.

it was something like 30,086 - tbh i dont think there was even that many there, i would say it was a case of those who bought russia tickets were forced to buy norway(apart from general release) and just didnt turn up.

[tommy_c12000]

Traps only mistake last night was not giving Coleman a run. I thought Trap might have taken Long off as he looked knackered with 10 minutes to go (he worked his socks off up to that), and stuck McGeady in behind Walters, putting Coleman on RW.

I thought we played well and Cunningham was fantastic apart from one blip when he played the ball accross the defence and their striker nearly got his foot on it. It should only be a couple of games now before Kilbane is displaced!!

Fahey played as well as any centre mid in an Irish shirt has played of late and Foley and Kelly held their own at RB which gives Trap no reason now whatsoever to pick Paul McShane ever again!!!!

Anyone know what the attendance was? It wasn't announced at the match funnily enough!!!

Just over 30,000 I saw 2day in the Star

[weldoninhio]

That's debatable. It's been said on here time and again that the problems in the team lie at left-back and central midfield. The rest of the team is fine. Trap tried a new left-back and a new central midfield partnership last night, so he is trying to address the problem areas - while maintaining continuity. This is what sensible managers do. Look at Germany - they didn't just 'rip it up and start again' before the World Cup - they brought their young lads in gradually over a number of years, and still kept the average age of the team quite high. They didn't just throw together a new team based on whoever was Bundesliga 'flavour of the month' before the WC.

It would have been nice to see Coleman come on in his 'Everton position', but would he really have done enough to take Lawrence or McGeady's place for the big games next year? As for Wilson, I've seen him play a few times, and he looks only adequate, a big lad who offers little more than Andrews or Whelan. I'd rather wait until February and see McCarthy and Meyler. Even at that, memories of Sean Thornton, Stephen Elliott, Stephen McPhail, Jason Gavin and Michael Reddy are too fresh for me to get too excited about our young Premiership players.

Champions League semifinalist with Leeds, FA Cup Final Captain with Cardiff, Play-off Runner Up to Blackpool last season and now regular starter, when fit, for top of the table Cardiff. Nothing to get excited about there :roll:

[tetsujin1979]

Champions League semifinalist with Leeds, FA Cup Final Captain with Cardiff, Play-off Runner Up to Blackpool last season and now regular starter, when fit, for top of the table Cardiff. Nothing to get excited about there :roll:
I'm excited you found three different ways to say "lost"

[Supreme feet]

Champions League semifinalist with Leeds, FA Cup Final Captain with Cardiff, Play-off Runner Up to Blackpool last season and now regular starter, when fit, for top of the table Cardiff. Nothing to get excited about there :roll:

:rolleyes:

This is the same guy who was heralded as Ireland's great white hope, the next Liam Brady. Who McCarthy was lambasted for after selecting Lee Carsley ahead of him. Who was utterly anonymous in each and every one of his senior caps, especially his last one against Nigeria. Also, IIRC, McPhail played no part in Leeds' CL run apart from the 4-0 defeat to Barca, when Leeds were missing a whole team through injury. Giving McPhail credit for that is like Darren Potter getting credit for being in Liverpool's Champion's League-winning squad.

If Coleman or McCarthy achieve nothing more than being an inconsistent Championship player, we'll all be bitterly disappointed.

[paul_oshea]

I think Coleman has achieved almost as much already...

SF, thats rather harsh though, Mcphail has had a fair share of injuries and obviously the cancer scare, to overcome, a lot more than the average footballer. Although before the cancer scare i think he had a big run of games for cardiff.

[tommy_c12000]

McCarthy has pulled out of every squad he's been named in, except for Brazil. To suggest he'd be established in the midfield after a maximum of two games is going way too far.

There have been 4 qualifying games so far so if he played in them that would seem pretty established in my book

[Stuttgart88]

Nah, I agree with Supreme Feet re-McPhail. There was a lot of revisionist nonense here about McPhail being a CL semi-finalist etc.

He was a lovely player (a mate of mine played with him on a UEFA coaching course, said he was head and shoulders above everyone else) but never ever put his stamp on a game that had a physical element to it - let's face it, that's almost every game. More of an indictment of the footballing culture he was dependent on for a living, or maybe even O'Leary, but let's face it, for whatever reason, his career never ever came close to matching his talent.

I always said I'd pay good money to watch Xabi Alonso just kick a ball against a wall. I'd do the same for McPhail.

I had the privilege of meeting Mark Kinsella recently - maybe less talented but just more streetwise, hence his career was largely played out at a higher level.

[Charlie Darwin]

There have been 4 qualifying games so far so if he played in them that would seem pretty established in my book
Yeah, were it not for the inconvenient fact that he was injured and couldn't play.

[tommy_c12000]

Yeah, were it not for the inconvenient fact that he was injured and couldn't play.

- 1st round of qualifying games V Armenia (3/09/10), V Andorra (7/09/10). McCarthy played the full 90 minutes either side of these V Spurs (28/08/2010), V Sunderland (11/09/2010). No sign of injury.
- 2nd round of qualifying games V Russia (8/10/2010), V Slovakia (12/10/2010). McCarthy again played the full 90 mins either side of these V Wolves (2/10/2010) and V Newcastle (16/10/2010). Again no sign of injury until the fateful Bolton game on 23/10/2010, there was only sign of Trappatoni's ignorant bliss.

I suggest you do your research a bit more thoroughly before you try to play jack the lad on the forum with your smart comments

[weldoninhio]

Newcastle played in the Champions League before

Mourinho can back it up with trophies and medals, Sam can't

Blackburn played in the Champions League before too, is he doing such an awful job there because he hasn't got them back there???

Mourinhio is the living embodiement of a cheque book manager, when has Sam ever been given a blank chq book??? :confused:

[Charlie Darwin]

- 1st round of qualifying games V Armenia (3/09/10), V Andorra (7/09/10). McCarthy played the full 90 minutes either side of these V Spurs (28/08/2010), V Sunderland (11/09/2010). No sign of injury.
- 2nd round of qualifying games V Russia (8/10/2010), V Slovakia (12/10/2010). McCarthy again played the full 90 mins either side of these V Wolves (2/10/2010) and V Newcastle (16/10/2010). Again no sign of injury until the fateful Bolton game on 23/10/2010, there was only sign of Trappatoni's ignorant bliss.

I suggest you do your research a bit more thoroughly before you try to play jack the lad on the forum with your smart comments
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/eyqlkfojcwid/

I don't know if he was fit at the time of the Russia game but I'd go out on a limb and say it would be too big a match to give him his first competitive game.

[Crosby87]

Blackburn played in the Champions League before too, is he doing such an awful job there because he hasn't got them back there???

Mourinhio is the living embodiement of a cheque book manager, when has Sam ever been given a blank chq book??? :confused:

You think Sam would have won Champions league with Inter? There is more to it than just signing players for $$$. Real would win everything every year if that was the case. (so would the NY Yankees.)