2 pats players tappped up

[danthesaint]

2 pats players tappped up

on our forum we heard O'Neill sniffing around conor kenna ages ago, pete mahons comments in the programme 2nite saying 2 pats players tapped up

i think i know, but fai wont do anytin

[Charlie Darwin]

Can you quote exactly what he said?

[juan]

Anyone else feel this will slowly descend into a Rovers v Bohs bitchfest.

[danthesaint]

Can you quote exactly what he said?

"On a sour note, it saddens me to inform fans that two of our players have been tapped-up. This really is disgraceful carry on and the managers involved have shown a complete lack of respect for myself, John Gill and St Patrick's Athletic."

he went on to say that paul cook has be good the transfer side of things, as has Ian Foster.

I reckon the FAI have to look into O'Neill

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd imagine it would have to be one of the full-time or almost full-time teams, alright. Unless it's from abroad, though that's less likely.

[danthesaint]

I'd imagine it would have to be one of the full-time or almost full-time teams, alright. Unless it's from abroad, though that's less likely.

lad your smoking sometin, the last few months O'Neill was sniffing around Kenna's da, then the whole thing about neale fenn

i was talkin to a rovers sauce who said fenn was tapped up by rovers.

[juan]

i was talkin to a rovers sauce
What flavour?

[Charlie Darwin]

lad your smoking sometin, the last few months O'Neill was sniffing around Kenna's da, then the whole thing about neale fenn

i was talkin to a rovers sauce who said fenn was tapped up by rovers.
And that precludes Kenna from signing for someone else?

[Acornvilla]

i bet it was shelbyville

[passinginterest]

How long is Kenna's contract with Pats? If he's on a one year deal he'd be entitled to talk to whoever he likes in the last 6 months of it. Same goes for any other player, considering an awful lot of players are only on one year deals in the current climate there may not be a whole lot wrong.

[Mario]

"On a sour note, it saddens me to inform fans that two of our players have been tapped-up. This really is disgraceful carry on and the managers involved have shown a complete lack of respect for myself, John Gill and St Patrick's Athletic."

More silly whingin' and bitchin' from Mahon. If any of these players are out of contract at the end of this season, then he is talking sh1te again.

Also he mentioned the plural of manager, so speculation singling out MON is very petty.

Any club that has a good season as Pats have had will have other clubs sniffing around their soon to be out of contract players, so Pete either deal with it or enjoy your retirement!

Re Kenna, I think Id prefer to instead see Gunter back in the Hoops again :p

[Mr A]

I think players are entitled to talk to other clubs in the last six months of their contracts, but their current clubs have to be informed.

[Rasher]

I think players are entitled to talk to other clubs in the last six months of their contracts, but their current clubs have to be informed.

Well obviously someone informed Mahon. Maybe it was the doctor with the good eyesight.

[PartySaint]

More silly whingin' and bitchin' from Mahon. If any of these players are out of contract at the end of this season, then he is talking sh1te again.

Re Kenna, I think Id prefer to instead see Gunter back in the Hoops again :p

When did he talk 'Sh1te' in the first place??

Kenna is the best defender in the league

[hoops1]

Kenna is the best defender in the league

Haha steady on.

[danthesaint]

Haha steady on.

who is better defender this season??

[Model Club]

When did he talk 'Sh1te' in the first place??

Kenna is the best defender in the league

Come on.We all have blind faith in our own respective employees but Pete Mahon is top ot the league when it comes to whinging and moaning and generally throwing his toys out of the pram-Not just with Pats-He was argueably worse when he was with UCD,not doing interviews for TV3 iirc.
Noteable mention for Ian Foster aswell,snipping at PM's heels

[thischarmingman]

"On a sour note, it saddens me to inform fans that two of our players have been tapped-up. This really is disgraceful carry on and the managers involved have shown a complete lack of respect for myself, John Gill and St Patrick's Athletic."

he went on to say that paul cook has be good the transfer side of things, as has Ian Foster.

I reckon the FAI have to look into O'Neill


2 pats players tappped up

on our forum we heard O'Neill sniffing around conor kenna ages ago, pete mahons comments in the programme 2nite saying 2 pats players tapped up

i think i know, but fai wont do anytin

Links?

[Dodge]

Its in the pats programme. Won't really find a link. The Pats forum is www.saintsforum.net (registration required)

Anyway, the semantics of whether players were tapped up or approached isn't worth arguing. Mahon doesn't like when opposition managers contact his players directly rather than contacting him. Whether the opposition manager is legally entitled to talk to him or not is immaterial. I'm happy mahon takes the high road on certain issues, and if it means we don't get 1 or 2 players then so be it

I also think its hilarious to see Roves fans so quick to defend O'Neill (while still maintaining it mightn't be him) after their consistent moaning about Fenlon doing the exact same thing over the past 3/4 years.

And there's no doubt there's more them those 2 at it.

[PartySaint]

Come on.We all have blind faith in our own respective employees but Pete Mahon is top ot the league when it comes to whinging and moaning and generally throwing his toys out of the pram-Not just with Pats-He was argueably worse when he was with UCD,not doing interviews for TV3 iirc.
Noteable mention for Ian Foster aswell,snipping at PM's heels

Thats just not true at all this season, He hanst bitched and moaned at all, He is very complimentary about others teams and managers when they have beaten us this season, Definitly wouldnt be up there with Foster O'Neill and Fenlon when it comes to complaining

[pineapple stu]

Pete had a few moans at UCD, but in general (and I'm biased) he was justified in what he was complaining about. Stuff like being fined for negative comments, Damo Dupuy being assaulted but getting no peno, Paul Doolin being a mong.

[Mario]

Dodge, who have Rovers complained about Fenlon tapping up? Names please!

Fenlon has just gone out and used the chequebook to buy whoever he wants. Aside from Kalounas, all the rest of his signings were predictable. You cant compare that ONeill who is happy to work under a budget and try players from outside the league instead of the usual mercenary suspects Fenlon prefers.

[Dodge]

Dodge, who have Rovers complained about Fenlon tapping up? Names please!

Fenlon has just gone out and used the chequebook to buy whoever he wants. Aside from Kalounas, all the rest of his signings were predictable. You cant compare that ONeill who is happy to work under a budget and try players from outside the league instead of the usual mercenary suspects Fenlon prefers.

I said Rovers fans, not ROvers.

My heart bleeds for poor little Michael working on bread'n'water. Not like he's signing mercenaries like Turner, Murray, Stewart

[Jicked]

Dodge, who have Rovers complained about Fenlon tapping up? Names please!

Fenlon has just gone out and used the chequebook to buy whoever he wants. Aside from Kalounas, all the rest of his signings were predictable. You cant compare that ONeill who is happy to work under a budget and try players from outside the league instead of the usual mercenary suspects Fenlon prefers.

Didn't Pat Scully at the time publically criticise Fenlon for using U-23 Ireland camps to try to get Rovers players to join Bohs, resulting in Ger Rowe putting in a transfer request (so he wasn't in the final 6 months of a deal), only for Rovers to refuse to release him/let him join Bohs?

And Dodge, say what you want about Murray but he's no mercenary. The bloke was so heartbroken about leaving Cork that he didn't put in a decent shift for Rovers for about 3 months. He seems to be a little more at home in recent weeks.

[juan]

Were they tapped on the left shoulder or the right?:p

[Bernard Brennan]

Don't know Mahon just know of him but I've seen a few things he's said in the last few weeks and I find it hard not to agree with him. If a player is under contract then no one should be allowed to talk to him until he's out of contract full stop otherwise what's the bloody point of having a contract at all. Also this business of a player "retiring" and then 2 or 3 weeks later signing for a new club needs to be stopped if you retire you should have to wait 6 months before you can sign for another club.
Lastly Mahon is right about the current 2 league system not working because it isn't.

[dfx-]

I shudder to think how Mahon will be like if Pats recent form continues down the table..

He'll be able to clear a room with a glance.

[Dodge]

Our form is OK (bar the bray game).

[Macy]

If a player is under contract then no one should be allowed to talk to him until he's out of contract full stop otherwise what's the bloody point of having a contract at all. Also this business of a player "retiring" and then 2 or 3 weeks later signing for a new club needs to be stopped if you retire you should have to wait 6 months before you can sign for another club.
But that's international football rules, not LoI rules. There's a thread on the "retiring" issue - the club could've prevented that from happening by holding on to the registration, so why bring in a new rule?

[passinginterest]

Let's face it the league of Ireland is such a small, incestuous, cess pit, when it comes to the club, player and coaching pools that it's inevitable that "tapping up" will occour.

I only heard today that Mahon has half the UCD first team and some of the coaching staff lined up for Pat's next season, so he might be guilty of some double standards himself. :D

[Dodge]

Unless he contact Martin Russell about those players first. In the programme article mentioned above he talks about being in negotiations with the current sqaud and that they have "identified" possible targets for next year.

[juan]

Let's face it the league of Ireland is such a small, incestuous, cess pit, when it comes to the club, player and coaching pools that it's inevitable that "tapping up" will occour.

Is that you Pete?:p

[passinginterest]

Unless he contact Martin Russell about those players first. In the programme article mentioned above he talks about being in negotiations with the current sqaud and that they have "identified" possible targets for next year.

True enough Dodge, but where's the excitement in that?

[pineapple stu]

only heard today that Mahon has half the UCD first team and some of the coaching staff lined up for Pat's next season, so he might be guilty of some double standards himself.

Umm...is that you making a joke? Cos I hope so! :freaked:

[Mario]

My heart bleeds for poor little Michael working on bread'n'water. Not like he's signing mercenaries like Turner, Murray, Stewart

Dogde,

I think you are clutching at straws.

Yes Turner has been around the houses so to speak, as have many players in this league. But Tommy Stewart has played for fewer clubs in this league than Shane Gutherie. Dan Murray has played for fewer clubs in this league then Conor Kenna. Are Gutherie and Kenna mercenaries also?

Re Fenlon the complaint from Rovers fans was that running the u23 team alongside a club team was a potentially advantageous / conflicting position. Its not right that any manager from any club also runs the u23 team. I wouldnt like to see MON running it for the same reason. I am glad to see Doolin running it now, but would expect him to step down if he gets another club job.

Mario

[Dodge]

Are Gutherie and Kenna mercenaries also?
Yes, all players are. Your point about Fenlon siging mercenaries and Rovers not doing so was ridiculous (and untrue).

The key is whether players try for their clubs while they're there. Doesn't matter if its their first club, or tenth club.

[passinginterest]

Umm...is that you making a joke? Cos I hope so! :freaked:

No, a colleague was told that UCD might be better off getting relegated, by a current member of the coaching staff, due to the fact that best players and coaches were going to Pat's at end of the season.

[Macy]

The vast vast majority of players in the league are mercenaries. Same as the vast vast majority of people who work - we all weigh up jobs based on the overall package! Why would (even semi) professional players not move for more money!

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd imagine few of the players in this league actually grow up supporting a LOI side - and few will come through the youth system at a club - so there's no in-built loyalty to clubs the way there is with English players in England (and even that's been eroded in recent years). The fact is that football is a job and LOI players are as entitled as the rest of us to hunt for the best financial deal possible.

[osarusan]

I'd imagine few of the players in this league actually grow up supporting a LOI side - and few will come through the youth system at a club - so there's no in-built loyalty to clubs the way there is with English players in England (and even that's been eroded in recent years). The fact is that football is a job and LOI players are as entitled as the rest of us to hunt for the best financial deal possible.
Agree with the part about loyalty (or lack thereof) but players not 'as entitled as the rest of us to hunt for the best financial deal possible', or at least not in the same way we are. There are rules in place to prevent or punish 'tapping up', which aren't in place for very many other jobs. They're free to get the best deal possible (as are the clubs who want them), but within the rules.

[Charlie Darwin]

There are rules in other professions too, but yeah I meant to add that as long as they obeyed the rules they're free to seek the best deal possible.