Bohs v Rovers moved to Tallaght [Archive]

SMorgan

18/08/2010, 9:58 PM

Seems Bohs have gone straight to the SDCC who were happy to take the usual rent and Bohs will have the home dressing rooms etc.

Can't see Sham Rovers being too happy about this even with it being an advantage to them in theory. But I suppose its not their stadium and they'll just have to like it or lump it.

hoops1

18/08/2010, 10:01 PM

Why not? A home game. When you could have to go to the home of your biggest rivals needing points to win your first title in 16 years. Oh its terrible. Use the head man. I know which I would prefer

de bowez

18/08/2010, 10:01 PM

It also gives us control of the sprinklers and the PA system. Will be hilarious if Hooperman tries to get in.

PartySaint

18/08/2010, 10:02 PM

Why wouldnt Roves be happy? Third last game of the season Bohs could be their main title rivals and the game is getting moved to their 'home' ground a ground in which Bohs havent won a league game in

Jicked

18/08/2010, 10:04 PM

Can't see Sham Rovers being too happy about this even with it being an advantage to them in theory. But I suppose its not their stadium and they'll just have to like it or lump it.

It'll be a home game in everything but name, like when we had to play in Cork thanks to Tony Maguire. There's a capacity of around 6,000. Bohs will have what, 1.5k fans at it, we'll sell out the rest. Bohs will make a bit of money from it as opposed to playing it in Dalyer in front of 3,000, though I don't think it'll be enough to cure their financial woes somehow.

Jicked

18/08/2010, 10:05 PM

It also gives us control of the sprinklers and the PA system. Will be hilarious if Hooperman tries to get in.

Rovers didn't 'control' the sprinklers to turn on your players, it's done automatically by the SDCC. As for the PA system, is that a novelty? Don't even have a CD player up in Dalyer these days?

Jofspring

18/08/2010, 10:07 PM

Could Bohs limit the amount of tickets available to away fans if they want?

PartySaint

18/08/2010, 10:08 PM

Maybe Bohs are being very smart with this, It now means Rovers cant win the league in Dalymount this year ( i fully expect Rovers to have the league title all but wrapped up by then)

hoops1

18/08/2010, 10:10 PM

Could Bohs limit the amount of tickets available to away fans if they want?

Ye if they are allowed to charge 1000 Euro each for them.

Jicked

18/08/2010, 10:11 PM

Could Bohs limit the amount of tickets available to away fans if they want?

Yes they could limit us to 800 or so as per capacity. But I couldn't see more than 1,500 Bohs fans showing for this (closer to 1,000 if they're out of the title race), so I'd imagine they just give us whatever we want.

Dunny

18/08/2010, 10:14 PM

So Bohs are the "homeless" now..?

:clap:

Ciaran W

18/08/2010, 10:17 PM

Where did you hear this ?

Dunny

18/08/2010, 10:34 PM

Theres a thread here: http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14277

redobit

19/08/2010, 12:02 AM

Shows how much of a stadium for hire tallaght could be. Are Shams fans not worried that another LOI team could come in for a shared leaseholding. Very unlikely granted, but possible all the same?

dcfcsteve

19/08/2010, 12:35 AM

Shows how much of a stadium for hire tallaght could be. Are Shams fans not worried that another LOI team could come in for a shared leaseholding. Very unlikely granted, but possible all the same?

Depends on what the lease says, so I doubt it would be possible without them having a say on it.

Whilst it's moot - I'm not sure what difference it would make anyway. So long as a pitch is well laid and well maintained then having two clubs using it shoiuldn't cause any real issues. Except very occasionally with cup draw clashes etc. But Rovers were used to ground-sharing anyway.

de bowez

19/08/2010, 12:40 AM

Depends on what the lease says, so I doubt it would be possible without them having a say on it.

Whilst it's moot - I'm not sure what difference it would make anyway. So long as a pitch is well laid and well maintained then having two clubs using it shoiuldn't cause any real issues. Except very occasionally with cup draw clashes etc. But Rovers were used to ground-sharing anyway.

Rovers dont seem to have very much sway at all, SDCC were more than happy to take our money, there's been talk of Shels moving to Tallaght for years now and dont forget how quick the SDCC were to tell Rovers the ground was unavailable in the days before the Madrid game last year.

dcfcsteve

19/08/2010, 1:23 AM

Rovers dont seem to have very much sway at all, SDCC were more than happy to take our money, there's been talk of Shels moving to Tallaght for years now and dont forget how quick the SDCC were to tell Rovers the ground was unavailable in the days before the Madrid game last year.

Unless Rovers are bonkers or complete amateurs, they'll have a lease for the stadium which will spell out what usage rights they have, and may or may not mention whether such rights are excluisve etc (I suspect not). So let's wait and see if anyone on here knows what that lease says.

As for SDCC doing whatever they want to do with their own stadium outside of the times that its leased to Rovers, that shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone ! Rovers are only tenants, after all, and whilst they'd love to be the only ones using the facility, I suspect they would understand the council's desire to make some money out of it during the other 330 odd days it's not being used by their current tenant.

danthesaint

19/08/2010, 7:15 AM

Seems Bohs have gone straight to the SDCC who were happy to take the usual rent and Bohs will have the home dressing rooms etc.

were rovers not always the away team in Tallaght?? :p

this is a big disadvantage to bohs imo

passinginterest

19/08/2010, 8:14 AM

From what I've heard Rovers still don't have a proper long term lease on Tallaght stadium and the SDCC have already been guilty of moving the goal posts, so to speak, a few times. It's a concern that gets raised regularly on the Ultra's forum.

HulaHoop

19/08/2010, 8:45 AM

Shows how much of a stadium for hire tallaght could be. Are Shams fans not worried that another LOI team could come in for a shared leaseholding. Very unlikely granted, but possible all the same?

I wouldn't be the least bit worried if another club comes to play their home games in Tallaght. As far as I'm concerned if Shels/Bohs/Pats moved into Tallaght in the morning it would be the death of them. Rovers are well established in Tallaght now, the council own the stadium but it is seen by the wider public in Tallaght as Shamrock Rovers' stadium. We have our office and shop in the stadium which any other club moving in wouldn't have (before anyone points out it's umbro's shop, it's actually leased to SRFC not umbro). The long term plan is to build our own clubhouse within the stadium grounds also. Bohs and Pats recently played the Setanta cup final in Tallaght and their combined attendance in a cup final was less than our average attendance for a run of the mill league game. If one of them wants to come to Tallaght to compete with Rovers bring it on I say.

danthesaint

19/08/2010, 9:12 AM

I wouldn't be the least bit worried if another club comes to play their home games in Tallaght. As far as I'm concerned if Shels/Bohs/Pats moved into Tallaght in the morning it would be the death of them.

Ya make it sound like Tallaght is a million miles away, most pats fans come from clondalkin, ballyer, drimnagh, crumlin, only up the road from Tallaght, i say will be get the exact same support there.

Rovers are well established in Tallaght now, the council own the stadium but it is seen by the wider public in Tallaght as Shamrock Rovers' stadium.
thats made me laugh

The long term plan is to build our own clubhouse within the stadium grounds also.
whos plan SDCC or Rovers?

ya never know if bohs and pats decide to sell our grounds we might have a few quid to buy SDCC ground :)

Dodge

19/08/2010, 9:26 AM

Unless Rovers are bonkers or complete amateurs, they'll have a lease for the stadium which will spell out what usage rights they have

You forget the third (and the most important) reason why Rovers wouldn’t have a lease; desperation.

Rovers don’t have a lease. They’ve enquired about it but SDCC realise how strong a position they’re in so don’t feel the need to tie Rovers down. Remember last year when they had to move a league game to Tolka so SDCC could “prepare” for Real Madrid? That wouldn’t have happened if there was a contract.

Of course, its still a good situation for Rovers so they’re not likely to complain too hard. Sure the rent is high but they do get top class facilities and as far as most people are concerned, its absolutely their ground. Even SDCC refer to Rovers as anchor tenants.

I think Bohs board desperation for cash 9and there’s no doubt the game would be a bigger draw in Tallaght than elsewhere) could come back to hanut them when it comes to members renewing next season. While some may deem this as a little thing, symbolism is very important to most fans. They’re effectively rolling over for Rovers. I know one Rovers fan who considered jacking it all in when Rovers played a home game in Cork wearing their away kit (and everything else being an away fixture that day too)

sundance kid

19/08/2010, 9:35 AM

nobody gets 100 year leases off councils anymore. its something i've practical experience of, and its done to protect both parties.

Model Club

19/08/2010, 9:36 AM

Ya make it sound like Tallaght is a million miles away, most pats fans come from clondalkin, ballyer, drimnagh, crumlin, only up the road from Tallaght, i say will be get the exact same support there.

thats made me laugh

whos plan SDCC or Rovers?

ya never know if bohs and pats decide to sell our grounds we might have a few quid to buy SDCC ground :)

Your fans are notorious bad travellers.Unless McDowells is moved brick by brick to whitestown they wouldn't travel to see pats play second fiddle to Rovers.

Like it or not the Tallaght stadium is known locally as "Shamrock Rovers stadium".Only pats,bohs fans with their childish petty point scoring call it anything else.TBH owning grounds has got ourselves,pats,drogheda,bohs.... into the crap with "the field" mentality never far from the agenda.Rovers new target audience arn't worried about the past or even the future.They only care about the present and where I'm standing thats just fine.

Rovers will have a clubhose in the future.Cant really say when but it will come.

If another LOI club comes to groundshare it would be a disater for them.They will always be the outsiders and the longer Rovers continue in Tallaght alone the more isolated the new team will be.

Dodge

19/08/2010, 9:43 AM

Do people get 5 year leases? I'd imagine some do

Macy

19/08/2010, 9:54 AM

Do people get 5 year leases? I'd imagine some do
Think Bray got a circa 25 year one for the Carlisle in recent years (to enable them apply for grants).

sundance kid

19/08/2010, 9:55 AM

they do of course. they're just short term leases though, and serve no real purpose for what rovers want.
the worst case scenario for rovers would be to get locked into a 100 year lease at say 100k a year, and then for whatever reason the crowds drop, and the council still want their money.
similarly for the council, why lock in for 100 years at 100k when potentially with a fully finished ground rovers could have 10k crowds paying 15 quid a game, and the council could ask for a bigger chunk.
all the figures i've mentioned are completely hypothetical though, so please, no nonsense about rovers are only paying this or that, or they could never get 10k at a game.

Dodge

19/08/2010, 9:59 AM

all the figures i've mentioned are completely hypothetical though, so please, no nonsense about rovers are only paying this or that, or they could never get 10k at a game.

its pretty disheartening that you had to post that (but you probably did). *sigh*

fionnsci

19/08/2010, 10:04 AM

Leinster have a twenty year lease signed at the RDS......just saying.

HulaHoop

19/08/2010, 10:28 AM

You forget the third (and the most important) reason why Rovers wouldn�t have a lease; desperation.

Rovers don�t have a lease. They�ve enquired about it but SDCC realise how strong a position they�re in so don�t feel the need to tie Rovers down. )

Not quite Dodge, the lease SDCC offered Rovers last year was unacceptable to Rovers so we refused to sign it. Both parties have been locked in negotiations ever since with neither side giving in. Bottom line is Rovers won't be signing a lease without certain terms and conditions attached though I believe progress has been made in recent months.

Mark

19/08/2010, 10:29 AM

As for the PA system, is that a novelty? Don't even have a CD player up in Dalyer these days?

please let the Rovers guy do it. not Buzz, the other one. At the Bohs game last sunday week he roared down at Fenlon 'ya f****ng B****x Fenlon. Ye'll never get a job in Scotland now'! (off mic of course)

BohsPartisan

19/08/2010, 12:12 PM

Well done lads, you fell for a carefully orchestrated hoax originating on our closed members forum. And it isn't even April!

:D

HulaHoop

19/08/2010, 12:18 PM

Well done lads, you fell for a carefully orchestrated hoax originating on our closed members forum. And it isn't even April!

:D

Good one credit where it's due. I suppose after the downfall video you had to do something! Shouldn't you be concentrating your energies on raising money for your club though?

Model Club

19/08/2010, 12:19 PM

Well done lads, you fell for a carefully orchestrated hoax originating on our closed members forum. And it isn't even April!

:D

The 2010 equvalent of Nero fiddling while.........

BohsPartisan

19/08/2010, 12:26 PM

Good one credit where it's due. I suppose after the downfall video you had to do something! Shouldn't you be concentrating your energies on raising money for your club though?

Shoulda got it sponsored!

micls

19/08/2010, 12:35 PM

I don't get it though.

As in, people believed that Bohs would be pitiful enough to actually do this, and not just Rovers fans.

I don't really see how that's a victory for Bohs.....noww if ye had have gotten it sponsored :D

Dodge

19/08/2010, 1:01 PM

Loads of posts on the ROvers forum from a few heads saying things like "yeah, we knew all along"

superjohnny

19/08/2010, 1:04 PM

Not quite Dodge, the lease SDCC offered Rovers last year was unacceptable to Rovers so we refused to sign it. Both parties have been locked in negotiations ever since with neither side giving in. Bottom line is Rovers won't be signing a lease without certain terms and conditions attached though I believe progress has been made in recent months.

Honest question Hula Hoop, if rovers did'nt sign a lease or SDCC wouldnt offer due to certain conditions for next year, where would you play if this did crop up??

Jicked

19/08/2010, 1:05 PM

Loads of posts on the ROvers forum from a few heads saying things like "yeah, we knew all along"

The original post on the Bohs forum said it was leaked on the Ultras forum, so I'd guess they put it up on their members forum to try to see if the leak had access there. I guess "the Whisteblower" has had inside info at Bohs all along.

Dodge

19/08/2010, 1:08 PM

Honest question Hula Hoop, if rovers did'nt sign a lease or SDCC wouldnt offer due to certain conditions for next year, where would you play if this did crop up??

It won't crop up. Rovers and SDCC are both happy to have each other

BohsPartisan

19/08/2010, 1:15 PM

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dfx-

19/08/2010, 1:15 PM

Rovers don’t have a lease. They’ve enquired about it but SDCC realise how strong a position they’re in so don’t feel the need to tie Rovers down. Remember last year when they had to move a league game to Tolka so SDCC could “prepare” for Real Madrid? That wouldn’t have happened if there was a contract.

So Rovers did not have a lease last year. This may have changed..