View Full Version : Fenn Announces his Retirement
Lim till i die
03/08/2010, 5:51 PM
Dundalk acted in good faith
This is the silly bit here.
The Dundalk board carved their manager up for unprofessionalism a few weeks ago incase John and Frans feeling had been hurt by him and they then allow one of his players to leave for a rival like this?!
Lim till i die
03/08/2010, 5:51 PM
Dundalk will get compensated somehow, but whether it's from Rovers or Fenn is anyone's guess. I'd hope Rovers would do the decent thing and pay a fair transfer fee.
Ah right.
What's everyones problem then?! :)
Louth4sam
03/08/2010, 5:54 PM
Dundalk will get compensated somehow, but whether it's from Rovers or Fenn is anyone's guess. I'd hope Rovers would do the decent thing and pay a fair transfer fee.
Nothing can be proved that Rovers did anything unlawful. Fenn however made a verbal agreement to have his contract terminated as he was retiring. He broke this verbal agreement so Dundalk certainly have a case.
No, they don't. There's no such thing as a lawful verbal agreement
placid casual
03/08/2010, 6:09 PM
so comical that its not a million miles away from how you signed Liam O'Brien all those years ago. Same old Rovers.
Here's hoping!!
Liamo siging for Rovers co-incided with the 4-in-a-row era Rovers and one of the best sides ever to grace the league of Ireland.
he still remains one of my favourite ever Rovers players, even with him being No 2 at the bozos now.
as for your comment about something stinks where you are. have a wash.
Louth4sam
03/08/2010, 6:14 PM
No, they don't. There's no such thing as a lawful verbal agreement
Of course there is, they're just very hard to prove. His leaving interview does just that.
L.T.F.C.
03/08/2010, 6:19 PM
No, they don't. There's no such thing as a lawful verbal agreement
There is such a thing known as a gentleman's agreement.
what happened with liam o'brien skstu??
very similar story actually Martinho, though different times and this is arguably worse. O'Brien was with Bohs in 1983, one of the best young talents in the league at the time and was tapped up by Rovers (who were taking every clubs best talents at that time so they could buy the 4 in a row) and ended up asking Billie Young to let him go so he could pursue a playing career and education in the States only to sign for Rovers just days later and ending up securing Rovers a transfer fee when he moved to Man Utd. Lots of Bohs fans were bitter towards O'Brien and Rovers about that episode.
Here's hoping!!
Liamo siging for Rovers co-incided with the 4-in-a-row era Rovers and one of the best sides ever to grace the league of Ireland.
he still remains one of my favourite ever Rovers players, even with him being No 2 at the bozos now.
as for your comment about something stinks where you are. have a wash.
typical Rovers arrogance. And people say Bohs are bad. :rolleyes:
No, they don't. There's no such thing as a lawful verbal agreement
Yes, there is.
Either way, i doubt anything will be done about this.
Interesting that he didn't (it seems) go back to Dundalk and at least give them first option. Must have been offered more by Rovers than he was getting at Dundalk.
Do you think that perhaps he may feel he has some chance of winning a trophy coming to Rovers instead of going back to Dundalk? No doubt the ever growing list of Dundalk players who want away from their manager will look on in envy. Anything that annoys Foster is a bonus :D
Charlie Darwin
03/08/2010, 6:29 PM
Nothing can be proved that Rovers did anything unlawful. Fenn however made a verbal agreement to have his contract terminated as he was retiring. He broke this verbal agreement so Dundalk certainly have a case.
Rovers' conduct is a separate matter. What I mean is that Fenn has basically just been transferred between two clubs, except there was no fee involved and the two clubs never agreed to it. The obvious solution is for the two clubs to reach a financial settlement.
very similar story actually Martinho, though different times and this is arguably worse. O'Brien was with Bohs in 1983, one of the best young talents in the league at the time and was tapped up by Rovers (who were taking every clubs best talents at that time so they could buy the 4 in a row:confused::confused:) and ended up asking Billie Young to let him go so he could pursue a playing career and education in the States only to sign for Rovers just days later and ending up securing Rovers a transfer fee when he moved to Man Utd. Lots of Bohs fans were bitter towards O'Brien and Rovers about that episode.
And what have the gypo's been doing for the last three years??
Liam was offered a chance to go to Canada at the request of Mr Giles. But after was given permission to go, he was told by giles he'd have to wait until the following season for some reason. He contacted bohs about re-signing but he asked for a signing on fee and wages , as he'd been on amatuer terms previously and bohs wouldn't or couldn't pay him what he was lookin for. Rovers did, end of.
Your constant snide comments about everything Rovers do is getting tiresome. If you spent more time investigating how your own club is run and did something about it, you'll be a happier person.
Rovers were one of three or four clubs who were contacted by Fenn or his agent, so he was goin to sign for someone this week reguardless
And what have the gypo's been doing for the last three years??
Liam was offered a chance to go to Canada at the request of Mr Giles. But after was given permission to go, he was told by giles he'd have to wait until the following season for some reason. He contacted bohs about re-signing but he asked for a signing on fee and wages , as he'd been on amatuer terms previously and bohs wouldn't or couldn't pay him what he was lookin for. Rovers did, end of.
Your constant snide comments about everything Rovers do is getting tiresome. If you spent more time investigating how your own club is run and did something about it, you'll be a happier person.
Rovers were one of three or four clubs who were contacted by Fenn or his agent, so he was goin to sign for someone this week reguardless
im leaving this thread to the rightful indignation of Dundalk fans but if you want to take up this conversation some other place im more than willing, your account of things has more holes than swiss cheese.
sligo23
03/08/2010, 7:04 PM
Apparently Fenn is now the highest paid player in the league.
Fenn is nothing but a snake, should get on well with O'Neill. I hope Bohs tear Rovers a new one on Sunday.
CSFShels
03/08/2010, 7:08 PM
Theres no way they will get away with it, that'll be that for dignity in Irish football if they do.
taking every clubs best talents at that time so they could buy the 4 in a row)
Reminds me of a certain other club.
That's football Stu, surely you can do better than that?
Rasher
03/08/2010, 7:10 PM
Apparently Fenn is now the highest paid player in the league.
And if you read it on the internet it MUST be true.
Theres no way they will get away with it, that'll be that for dignity in Irish football if they do.
Dignity in Irish football? Is there such a thing?
Reminds me of a certain other club.
That's football Stu, surely you can do better than that?
do better than what? Im just giving the context of the transfer. Nothing more.
Im presuming the certain other club youre talking about is Longford. ;)
RoversHead
03/08/2010, 7:30 PM
do better than what? Im just giving the context of the transfer. Nothing more.
Im presuming the certain other club youre talking about is Longford. ;)and 13 mins after you announce your retirement from the thread your back,shocking behavior!:Doh and before I go, two of the other interested clubs were Bohs and Shligo !
Is anyone surprised that Bohs and Sligo fans are moaning on here more than Dundalk's? The gas thing is that they'll try to come across as all concerned about the wellbeing of the league. Total b**** as the rest of us know. If it wasn't Shamrock Rovers involved it wouldn't be the usual suspects on here having a go. It's very funny to read.
And if wasn't Rovers doing it, you'd be moaning too.
Its poor form and shows Rovers, Dundalk and Fenn in a bad light. Which is no bad thing IMO
Charlie Darwin
03/08/2010, 7:50 PM
Is anyone surprised that Bohs and Sligo fans are moaning on here more than Dundalk's? The gas thing is that they'll try to come across as all concerned about the wellbeing of the league. Total b**** as the rest of us know. If it wasn't Shamrock Rovers involved it wouldn't be the usual suspects on here having a go. It's very funny to read.
The part I'm struggling with is... of all the players for Rovers to conspire with to fraudulently break a contract, why did they pick a past-it striker who wasn't even a guaranteed starter at his original club anymore?
Even by conspiracy theory standards, this one's a bit whacked.
edit: not denying that Rovers/Fenn have acted unethically though
Is anyone surprised that Bohs and Sligo fans are moaning on here more than Dundalk's? The gas thing is that they'll try to come across as all concerned about the wellbeing of the league. Total b**** as the rest of us know. If it wasn't Shamrock Rovers involved it wouldn't be the usual suspects on here having a go. It's very funny to read.
Tar us all with the same brush why don't you again?
I really only have an issue with how Fenn acted in all this.
and 13 mins after you announce your retirement from the thread your back,shocking behavior!:Doh and before I go, two of the other interested clubs were Bohs and Shligo !
If I was to believe this to be true (and I doubt it as it seems a tad convenient) - So what if we were interested in him?
Are you and Hoopy the same person?
The part I'm struggling with is... of all the players for Rovers to conspire with to fraudulently break a contract, why did they pick a past-it striker who wasn't even a guaranteed starter at his original club anymore?
Even by conspiracy theory standards, this one's a bit whacked.
edit: not denying that Rovers/Fenn have acted unethically though
he's not really that past it - he's a multiple league and cup winner with bags of experience who tore Rovers a new arsehole in Tallaght earlier in the season.
As i said earlier, its near impossible to prove any wrongdoing by any party but this certainly has a smell of benjy about it.
Nah Nah Nah Nah
03/08/2010, 7:59 PM
Very bitter Sligo and Bohs fans out there....
And sure if Bohs did it you'd be OK about it.....
I'm not bitter about it as such. I'm not sure what the correct word is (!) but no matter who Fenn had signed for what he's done isn't right and whoever signed him can't think they could just come out of it smelling of roses either
If I was to believe this to be true (and I doubt it as it seems a tad convenient) - So what if we were interested in him?
its called picking 2 teams out of his head. How Bohs were looking to sign him is beyond me - we had a few trialists looking for very little that we couldnt sign.
Charlie Darwin
03/08/2010, 8:08 PM
he's not really that past it - he's a multiple league and cup winner with bags of experience who tore Rovers a new arsehole in Tallaght earlier in the season.
As i said earlier, its near impossible to prove any wrongdoing by any party but this certainly has a smell of benjy about it.
Ah he is well past his best. I think he'll do a job for Rovers because we lack creativity in the centre but he doesn't really have the legs anymore.
I'd be more concerned if O'Neill was scheming with Fenn instead of looking for a proper full back.
Dave_SRFC
03/08/2010, 8:10 PM
Maybe Dundalk wanted him off payroll, we'll have our answer in the next few days...
bingoballs
03/08/2010, 8:13 PM
Very bitter Sligo and Bohs fans out there....
call me bitter all you like, fact is that not fot the first time this season, shams have signed a player under the most dubious of circumstances. its an awful way to coduct your business, unsporting and dishonest, and leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.
I really don't see what ire is aimed at Rovers, but that's often the case here. Fashionable I suppose..ho hum.
Glad we've signed a player who isn't a midfielder, but I don't see him playing too many games.
The Lep
03/08/2010, 8:23 PM
Dundalk have been well and truly stiched up by Fenn unless Dundalk told him they didnt want him back after he had a change of heart. I would have thought that any player that retires mid season wouldnt become a free agent until the following season because if you retire you would come off any list of players who are available to sign .
Did Rovers knew all along that he was going to them ? Are they guilty in aiding the deception of Dundalk ?
If both Rovers and Fenn are gulity of deception then Fenn should be banned for the rest of the season and Rovers given a fine or compo to Dundalk.
PartySaint
03/08/2010, 9:32 PM
If Rovers have tapped him up before he left Dundalk then they are in the wrong if he left Dundalk and then for whatever reason decided he wanted to keep playing and Rovers offered him a contract then they have done nothing wring, simple as...
osarusan
03/08/2010, 9:37 PM
This whole 'you're only commenting because it's Rovers' thing is getting pretty tiring, just as the sniping at Rovers is.
Definitely there are some posters who always have something to say about Rovers, but there are a few Rovers fans who want to portray EVERYTHING as a vindictive attack on Rovers rather than accept legitimate criticism on certain issues.
The situation is (as I understand it) that a player has told his club he just doesn't have it anymore, and wants to retire. His club, being both decent and seemingly naive, let him retire and release his registration (if that's the right term). The player then realises he won't get his tax back for another six months, decides he does still have it after all, and goes looking for clubs, and is signed just a few days after retiring.
I very much doubt that Rovers had any part to play in getting him to retire. All they did was decide to sign a player who was a free agent. At the moment, we don't know (or at least I don't know) whether he tried to go back to Dundalk, but the fact that they are apparently 'fuming' suggests he didn't.
As I see it, Dundalk are guily of naivete, Rovers haven't done anything wrong really, and Fenn has acted like a complete *****.
From the league's perspective, if the transfer is allowed, it allows this kind of process to become a loophole to get around transfer regulations. That's why it's important for the league in general to know what's going on. Are the FAI going to allow it to happen? If they can't stop the Fenn transfer, are they going to ensure it can't happen again?
prodsc
03/08/2010, 10:00 PM
I can't believe there isn't a FAI/UEFA clause that protects a club acting in good faith. Were Dundalk happy to get rid of him for financial reasons? I don't hear to many official statements from them, but maybe they are consulting Legals and not commenting but I'd be well angry with Mr Fenn if some of his quotes are true.
Charlie Darwin
03/08/2010, 10:10 PM
There is.
The following provisions apply if a contract is terminated without just cause:
1. In all cases, the party in breach shall pay compensation. Subject to the
provisions of article 20 and Annexe 4 in relation to training compensation,
and unless otherwise provided for in the contract, compensation for the
breach shall be calculated with due consideration for the law of the country
concerned, the specificity of sport, and any other objective criteria. These
criteria shall include, in particular, the remuneration and other benefits due
to the player under the existing contract and/or the new contract, the time
remaining on the existing contract up to a maximum of five years, the fees
and expenses paid or incurred by the former club (amortised over the term
of the contract) and whether the contractual breach falls within a protected
period.
2. Entitlement to compensation cannot be assigned to a third party. If a
professional is required to pay compensation, the professional and his new
club shall be jointly and severally liable for its payment. The amount may be
stipulated in the contract or agreed between the parties.
3. In addition to the obligation to pay compensation, sporting sanctions shall
also be imposed on any player found to be in breach of contract during the
protected period. This sanction shall be a four-month restriction on playing in
official matches. In the case of aggravating circumstances, the restriction shall
last six months. These sporting sanctions shall take effect immediately once
the player has been notified of the relevant decision. The sporting sanctions
shall remain suspended in the period between the last official match of the
season and the first official match of the next season, in both cases including
national cups and international championships for clubs. This suspension
of the sporting sanctions shall, however, not be applicable if the player is
an established member of the representative team of the association he is
eligible to represent, and the association concerned is participating in the
final competition of an international tournament in the period between the
last match and the first match of the next season. Unilateral breach without
iv. Maintenance of contractual stability between professionals and clubs 17
just cause or sporting just cause after the protected period shall not result in
sporting sanctions. Disciplinary measures may, however, be imposed outside
the protected period for failure to give notice of termination within 15
days of the last official match of the season (including national cups) of the
club with which the player is registered. The protected period starts again
when, while renewing the contract, the duration of the previous contract is
extended.
4. In addition to the obligation to pay compensation, sporting sanctions
shall be imposed on any club found to be in breach of contract or found
to be inducing a breach of contract during the protected period. It shall
be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any club signing a
professional who has terminated his contract without just cause has induced
that professional to commit a breach. The club shall be banned from registering
any new players, either nationally or internationally, for two registration
periods.
5. Any person subject to the FIFA Statutes and regulations (club officials,
players’ agents, players, etc.) who acts in a manner designed to induce a
breach of contract between a professional and a club in order to facilitate the
transfer of the player shall be sanctioned.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/27/64/30/statusandtransfereinhalt2010.pdf
WoodquayBoy
03/08/2010, 10:16 PM
Poor form by Fenn, and by Rovers who also, according to Sean Connor (and we all know he always speaks the truth) tried to take Karl Sheppard from us in a less than ethical way.
That said, if I was a Dundalk fan I'd be worried for how the rest of the season will pan out with Mr Foster in charge. That is Melligan and Fenn gone now, two of their best players, and much like last season at Utd, Foster got his side off to a flying start, only for the wheels to start wobbling as the season progressed, and the players claiming when he left that they didn't like him. Whether or not they fall off altogether by the season is the question. I hope not for Dundalk's sake, but I'm not convinced
Mario
03/08/2010, 10:24 PM
Poor form by Fenn, and by Rovers who also, according to Sean Connor (and we all know he always speaks the truth) tried to take Karl Sheppard from us in a less than ethical way.
Blackie reported that MON went to the GUFC chief executive rather than directly to him, surely a hanging offence that one ... :rolleyes:
Mario
Mario
03/08/2010, 10:26 PM
>He tried it with Raf last year too.
Carefully now, players in the final year of the contract are allowed to talk to other clubs before the end of the season.
Did Bohs pay a transfer fee? No! Why? Coz Cretaro was a free agent ...
Mario
poster
03/08/2010, 10:30 PM
Carefully now, players in the final year of the contract are allowed to talk to other clubs before the end of the season.
Mario
Does that rule not only count if there's 6 months or less on his contract? This was at the start of last season, April time.
Me
WoodquayBoy
03/08/2010, 10:39 PM
Blackie reported that MON went to the GUFC chief executive rather than directly to him, surely a hanging offence that one ... :rolleyes:
Mario
Well Mario, that is what Connor was on about Mario, the mannerly thing to do Mario would surely to have gone to the manager, Mario, rather than going over his head
DRDoc
03/08/2010, 11:08 PM
seeing as sheppard was probably a free agent at this point, ONeill could have just gone straight to the player
MeathDrog
03/08/2010, 11:55 PM
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El-Pietro
04/08/2010, 12:11 AM
Ah he is well past his best. I think he'll do a job for Rovers because we lack creativity in the centre but he doesn't really have the legs anymore.
Fenn never had the legs! Hes been the slowest player in the league for years! Hes a genius on his day though. Magical touch and he sees passes other players can't imagine at times.
Oldred
04/08/2010, 12:13 AM
The facts that Neale Fenn now has no credibility whatsoever, that Dundalk are without a very experienced player they may badly need on the run-in or that Shams. now have a player that might just swing the title race in their favour are probably irrelevant. What is relevant is that the FAI are seen to fully investigate what went on and ensure that Dundalk are fully compensated by whoever is guilty of whatever. If not player contracts and our league will become a joke. If Fenn deliberately ended his contract to get a new club he should be heavily fined and suspended. If Shams. are guilty of tapping up the player then a points deduction must happen. Otherwise there is nothing there to discourage other players and clubs from trying something similar.
pineapple stu
04/08/2010, 8:31 AM
Can the Rovers fans (but mainly Sligo) please give their petty rivalry a rest? There's no need to drag every single thread into a píssing contest between the two sets of fans.
Otherwise there is nothing there to discourage other players and clubs from trying something similar.
There's one simple thing that stops clubs being done like this - holding on to the players registration! Happens all the time, when players decide they've had enough/ going to play gaa/ going travelling etc. And it specifically stops this kind of move and ensures they have first refusal if the player changes their mind.
People can moan at Fenn and Rovers all they want, demand compo etc but my understanding is if they also released his registration Dundalk don't have a case, whatever about the ethical arguments.
marinobohs
04/08/2010, 9:53 AM
Maybe Dundalk wanted him off payroll, we'll have our answer in the next few days...
...and maybe shams identified a player they wanted and "encouraged" him to escape his contract to prevent them paying a fee (as was done with Chris Turner).
No doubt the League will investigate this with the same vigour they "investigate" all incidents involving shams :rolleyes:
pineapple stu
04/08/2010, 9:58 AM
In fairness, if what's been said before is true, there's no way Rovers could have encouraged Dundalk to give up his registration, so that theory simply doesn't add up.
marinobohs
04/08/2010, 10:02 AM
In fairness, if what's been said before is true, there's no way Rovers could have encouraged Dundalk to give up his registration, so that theory simply doesn't add up.
but they could "encourage" Fenn to seek to have his contract dissolved. They did get Chris Turner to renege on an agreement to rejoin Sligo so there is form for this type of behaviour.
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