Model club get help

[hoopy]

It depends when the fixture is played

Oh and before i forget, Congradulations, Great result, Hope you have a great trip to Italy and get home safely

Apparantely the women in Modena have a bit of a reputation, so my stay may well be extended :D

[Ezeikial]

Let's be honest here. The only reason you're 'uneasy' about this is because it was Rovers and because you've obviously believed all the excuses your manager has been making for losing games.

It is quite staggering how you could interpret what I posted in that way.

For the record, there are more reasons then the 7 games in 22 days for Dundalks poor results in July, and I am in favour of the postponement of the Shamrock Rovers match - but I suggest you re-read what I posted if you are interested in my valid concerns.


Why don't all of you who have a problem with this complain to the clubs who wouldn't agree to cancellations, which is the main issue, or should be. Instead UCD get it in the neck for helping a fellow club out.


if UCD agreed then thats all there is to it. I understand the frustration of Dundalk fans though.

No - its not that simple. Transparency is also an issue. If all is okay once the opposing clubs agree (which is not at all clear), then there is the potential issue of unfair (and possibly illegal) inducements from one club to another that also comes into the picture

[SkStu]

No - its not that simple. Transparency is also an issue. If all is okay once the opposing clubs agree (which is not at all clear), then there is the potential issue of unfair (and possibly illegal) inducements from one club to another that also comes into the picture

i thought from one of the UCDs fans that UCD had granted their permission. Its obviously a lot different if not. To talk of inducements is paranoia in the extreme and im partial to the odd bout of it myself.

[SupaJon]

FFS lads...the important thing here is that the right thing has been done.
And it sets a precedence going forward.
If the FAI aren't going to postpone games to help teams in Europe, then I'd like to see the teams agree to do it themselves.

It's time to put rivalries behind you and get behind all our teams in Europe.
The better they do - the higher profile they raise for our league. And the better chance for all of us to pull in those badly needed extra punters each week.

Good luck to Rovers - I hope they beat Juve.
As for the league - the best team will win it. It all balances out over the course of the season.

[Dodge]

Is Rovers game next week postponed? if not, why not?

[Stevo Da Gull]

Forget all this chat about possible advantages, and underhand dealings. Maybe it's just a case of good sportsmanship from UCD. I know any club I've played in will accept a reasonable request for a postponement instead of digging our heels in and hoping for a forfeit, and I'd hope Bray would do the same thing if we were asked. There's more to football than winning at any cost.

As far as I know we did agree to postpone a fixture against Shels a few years back, but they chose to play the match to avoid congestion. Then Fenlon had a go at us for making life harder for them and subsequently for the league to progress.

It's a sporting move on behalf of UCD to comply with Rovers' request, fair play to them.

[Schumi]

i thought from one of the UCDs fans that UCD had granted their permission. Its obviously a lot different if not. To talk of inducements is paranoia in the extreme and im partial to the odd bout of it myself.If you mean my post, I don't know whether we agreed or not but I'd expect that we did. I very much doubt there were 'inducements' from Rovers.

[dong]

FFS lads...the important thing here is that the right thing has been done.
And it sets a precedence going forward.
If the FAI aren't going to postpone games to help teams in Europe, then I'd like to see the teams agree to do it themselves.

It's time to put rivalries behind you and get behind all our teams in Europe.
The better they do - the higher profile they raise for our league. And the better chance for all of us to pull in those badly needed extra punters each week.

Good luck to Rovers - I hope they beat Juve.
As for the league - the best team will win it. It all balances out over the course of the season.

Will ya quit with the Brian Cowen speak??
The margins could be so small between winning and coming second or third this season that the "best team will win it" argument just does not stand up in my opinion.
Stuff like this can and will have a huge influence and Shams have been handed an advantage at this stage. Through no fault of their own it must be said but it's a bonus for them nonetheless, otherwise why would they have asked UCD in the first place?

[Ezeikial]

If you mean my post, I don't know whether we agreed or not but I'd expect that we did. I very much doubt there were 'inducements' from Rovers.

There is hardly much doubt that UCD agreed to the postponement - and fair play to them for doing so. The FAI statement would surely have been contradicted by UCD if it was otherwise


http://www.airtricityleague.com/index.php/about/press-office/2238-shamrock-rovers-v-ucd-postponed
Following a request from Shamrock Rovers and with the agreement of U.C.D., the above Airtricity League Premier Division League fixture has been postponed in order to facilitate Shamrock Rovers with their UEFA Europa League tie v Juventus.


I raised the questions of possible collusion or inducements from one club to another (although I am making no allegations in relation to Rovers / UCD), and other questions of even-handedness and fair play - both real and preceived.

The FAI have a poor record in this area and clarification on the questions previously raised would be illuminating:


I am uneasy about this postponement, and as with many issues in this league, it is open to misinterpretation or speculation about lack of even-handedness.

While personally in favour of postponements to ease congestion for Euro teams, there remains a number of unanswered questions

1) Did Dundalk, Bohs, or Fingal request any such postponements?
2) If so did they flounder at the doors of the FAI or the opposition club?
3) Have the FAI established a precedent of postponements subject only to the agreement of the relevant clubs
4) If the opposition clubs agreement is the crucial element, how will FAI guard against accusations of collusion or inducements from one club to another - whether this is real or perceived?

[Dodge]

Is Rovers game next week postponed? if not, why not?

Anyone?

[SupaJon]

Will ya quit with the Brian Cowen speak??
The margins could be so small between winning and coming second or third this season that the "best team will win it" argument just does not stand up in my opinion.
Stuff like this can and will have a huge influence and Shams have been handed an advantage at this stage. Through no fault of their own it must be said but it's a bonus for them nonetheless, otherwise why would they have asked UCD in the first place?

The only advantage they'll be handed is time to prepare for the Juve game.
The UCD game will have to played later on and it could end up that Rovers play 3 league games in a week.
Hardly "handing them the title" is it?

[Charlie Darwin]

Anyone?
I'd guess depends on the result in the first leg. If that's positive, Rovers will probably request a postponement, otherwise it'll just be moved to Sunday/Monday.

[Rasher]

The only advantage they'll be handed is time to prepare for the Juve game.
The UCD game will have to played later on and it could end up that Rovers play 3 league games in a week.
Hardly "handing them the title" is it?

Ah for ****'s sake. Stop letting facts get in the way of a typical LOI moanfest.

[PartySaint]

The only advantage they'll be handed is time to prepare for the Juve game.
The UCD game will have to played later on and it could end up that Rovers play 3 league games in a week.
Hardly "handing them the title" is it?

I dont no this for a fact but im pretty sure when they do play UCD it wont be 3 days after they have just flown back from Israel or 3 days befoe they play Juventus in one of their biggest games in the clubs history

[Dodge]

I'd guess depends on the result in the first leg. If that's positive, Rovers will probably request a postponement, otherwise it'll just be moved to Sunday/Monday.

Its next weekend, and its been moved to the Sunday. 1 day less then they were giving to recover from the game in Israel

[marinobohs]

Its next weekend, and its been moved to the Sunday. 1 day less then they were giving to recover from the game in Israel

Now shams fans turn to moan about game NOT postponed :rolleyes: sensible decision by UCD (presuming they agreed) but there should be consistency around the issue. Different application for different clubs leads to the sort of paranoia/ scare mongering we have seen on this thread. Expecting clubs to reach agreement on the issue does not work.

[Dodge]

Not to mention the league's fixtures 2 days after the League selection play in the Aviva stadium game. Pats, for example, have 3 players on duty while our opponents, Drogheda, have none

Seeing as only 5 clubs are represented I'd imagine we're not the only game like this

[Oz Student]

The people who run UCD soccer are genuinely nice and care about football. I'd be shocked if they hadn't agreed to the game being re-arranged.

Also, they have a young squad and excellent facilities. A mid-week game wouldn't worry them at all.