Tipp South & District League 2010/11

[Quietman]

I didn't bring it up. And I never said he was blind or that he robs Clonmel teams. I just think he is poo (as you put it yourself). I wonder does McKell know he has such a big fan on here


God, I'm certainly not his "fan" as you put it and I don't know him personally. But I have to say I have a major gripe with the referee bashers that are all to common in football. The people who continuously blame referees for them or theie team losing a game just baffle me really. If this kind of negative behaviour continues and taking into account that two referees were assaulted last weekend, and I believe another was assaulted last month, I wouldn't blame our referees if they chose to follow what the Scots have done this week. As an earlier post said, we just can't have games without them fellas, so lay off and be glad you have a referee next weekend and your team are able to go out and play!!

[ComeOnTownNow]

Hadnett is the best referee in the league, end of story!

[Redman028]

We all have a good moan at referees at games, we wouldnt be human if we didnt but when when things escalate to a level where a Ref is fearing for his safety well thats where it turns in to a serious matter. Love them or hate them they (refs) have a tough job especially down the lower leagues where they dont have the aid of 2 linesmen and where i have seen myself that the level of abuse towards the ref can be pretty horiffic. The T.S.D.L committe have got to get tough and need to pull those involved and set examples....

[Roberto]

Define assaulted?


Assault is often defined to include not only violence, but any intentional physical contact with another person without their consent.

[fairdecision]

Here's another rumour I heard, maybe some of the Michael's fans could answer this one. Is it true the ref of the T-M-B game and the Michael's game not only had a brother playing but the Michael's manager is married to his sister??? Would Lewis miss this one if it was any other club??? St. Michael's and Lewis have a lot to answer for!
Also I agree Billy O Donoghue has been a great servant to the league and a very nice man but should he be still reffing?

[BigfeetBigsocks]

Define assaulted?

Read Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997 under Articles 2 and 3 and that will clear it up for ya

[Insidetherock]

Define assaulted?

If I were physically abuse to the point where I required some kind of medical treatment, no matter how minor.

Pushing, shoving, jostling, being grabbed, spat at (whether hit or not), where I did not sustain a physical injury, would be reported to the TSDL, with an expectation of at least 1 years ban for the person/persons who were involved

[Roberto]

Here's another rumour I heard, maybe some of the Michael's fans could answer this one. Is it true the ref of the T-M-B game and the Michael's game not only had a brother playing but the Michael's manager is married to his sister??? Would Lewis miss this one if it was any other club??? St. Michael's and Lewis have a lot to answer for!
Also I agree Billy O Donoghue has been a great servant to the league and a very nice man but should he be still reffing?

If feels healthy enough and fit enough why shouldn't he be still reffing? I assume he passes the medical assessments refs are required to do from time to time.

[Quietman]

If feels healthy enough and fit enough why shouldn't he be still reffing? I assume he passes the medical assessments refs are required to do from time to time.

I believe that rumour to be true, not only that but the league are perfectly aware of it!!

Refs are graded 1-4 with 1 being premier referee. As far as I know grades 3 & 4 do not have to pass a physical test, and even the test for Grade 1's is easy enough. Sure you only have to look, to see that the physical condition of some refs is poor to say the least...............but I've never heard of a medical............

[Mega Tots]

Some of the stuff that goes on with St Michaels is disgusting,last year was a disgrace what went on but no point bringing that up,the same ref in question gave incredible decisions against peake villa with his brother in law the manager of saints,where else would you get it? the whole country is laughing at the TSDL and of course an incident was going to happen eventually when Lewis sends family members to ref saints games,the whole thing is corrupt and the fixtures is another issue that everyone is aware of

[rushy12]

Some of the stuff that goes on with St Michaels is disgusting,last year was a disgrace what went on but no point bringing that up,the same ref in question gave incredible decisions against peake villa with his brother in law the manager of saints,where else would you get it? the whole country is laughing at the TSDL and of course an incident was going to happen eventually when Lewis sends family members to ref saints games,the whole thing is corrupt and the fixtures is another issue that everyone is aware of

corrupt is a bit strong with the TSDL. maybe 'shabby' is the word..take the game last year with saints and town that was on the same day as the all ireland, could that have been changed to another night or day, might have got more in the gate, but no they decided to go ahead..who is calling these stupid decisions. megatots I feel your anger towards saints but this is down to the TSDL, who chose times and refs, not saints. I have played against saints and to say the ref was influenced by certain powerful players would be correct and very frustrating to see and be involved in....with the same bodies involved with the TSDL it will become laughable...again the situation with games that need to be replayed because of extra time not being played!is there anyone on this that can suggest anything that could make the league more exciting?because keep going the way it is it will lose to tv games and other sports.

[Mega Tots]

corrupt is a bit strong with the TSDL. maybe 'shabby' is the word..take the game last year with saints and town that was on the same day as the all ireland, could that have been changed to another night or day, might have got more in the gate, but no they decided to go ahead..who is calling these stupid decisions. megatots I feel your anger towards saints but this is down to the TSDL, who chose times and refs, not saints. I have played against saints and to say the ref was influenced by certain powerful players would be correct and very frustrating to see and be involved in....with the same bodies involved with the TSDL it will become laughable...again the situation with games that need to be replayed because of extra time not being played!is there anyone on this that can suggest anything that could make the league more exciting?because keep going the way it is it will lose to tv games and other sports.

Well as our Limerick friends will tell you Saints seemed to be all about the rules and fairness last year yet they never saw fit to tell Lewis that the managers brother in law was reffing their games and perhaps this was inappropiate?????????

[rushy12]

saints are not breaking any rules , Pike did, which was proved so we are not going down that road. doesnt matter who is refereeing a game it could be my uncle rushy for example, if the game is being played well and not leaving it up to refs to make big decisions then who cares..now that we are talking about this surely some one will spot this and report it to the league so that these stupid and I repeat stupid decisions that are being made by the hierarchy of the TSDL, NOT BE MADE AGAIN. so megatots I ask you was it saints fault that this ref was appointed? no. you get on with it, and if you can give a roar that turns a decision so be it..we all have done it..plenty of clonmel refs going around the block over the years refereeing clonmel games..played a game years ago the refs son was playing!but good to debate about these thing as some of the efs are just cruel at times.

[Mega Tots]

saints are not breaking any rules , Pike did, which was proved so we are not going down that road. doesnt matter who is refereeing a game it could be my uncle rushy for example, if the game is being played well and not leaving it up to refs to make big decisions then who cares..now that we are talking about this surely some one will spot this and report it to the league so that these stupid and I repeat stupid decisions that are being made by the hierarchy of the TSDL, NOT BE MADE AGAIN. so megatots I ask you was it saints fault that this ref was appointed? no. you get on with it, and if you can give a roar that turns a decision so be it..we all have done it..plenty of clonmel refs going around the block over the years refereeing clonmel games..played a game years ago the refs son was playing!but good to debate about these thing as some of the efs are just cruel at times.

Your missing the point.....YOU CAN NOT HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER REFFING THE GAME.....and a club as big as saints should have the integrity to ring the league and say come on this is making us look bad as well....instead they are happy to take the advantage...it lacks class

[stelling]

Your missing the point.....YOU CAN NOT HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER REFFING THE GAME.....and a club as big as saints should have the integrity to ring the league and say come on this is making us look bad as well....instead they are happy to take the advantage...it lacks class

Jesus to be fair when you put it like that its hard to argue with it,a few years ago Peake Villa arrived into the complex in clonmel with only 9 players and mckeever only started 9 players for Town and everybody at the game admired the class of Town so i see what your saying,a big club like saints should set an example

[ComeOnTownNow]

tony maher has often reffed matches when his brother, son and brother in law have played for killusty, paddy keane reffed a few games when his son played too

[Insidetherock]

refereeing is a minefield, but was speaking to someone today who had considered going to the referees course in cahir tomorrow, but was told if he did, he would have to cut all links with the club he was involved in.. couldn't even be a member of the club

Now lets be honest, football people are football people.. they are in it, because they love it.. and then if they try to make a contribution back as a referee, and God knows its hard enough to get people to do it.. they have to cut themselves off from any other part of the game completely.. that's crazy in my opinion

What difference would it make for a referee at a Dualla/Ballyneale 4th division game, if he was helping out to coach his own clubs schoolboys for example ? Nuts

[bishbash]

The fixtures thing is always going to be a constant source of controversy. People say its a thank less job making the fixtures and yes it probably is but St michaels will always be seen as ones that do well out of it and its hard to argue against that. Clonmel Celtic had to play in cooke park earlier in the seaso at 8 o clock on a sunday night and this sunday they have to play at the highly unusual time of 4.30 I know for sure that it was not Clonmel Celtic that requested these kick off times and its certainly not done to facilitate them so I wonder what the reason was? In any event you can be certain that those kick off times were done solely to benefit St Michaels. I know if I was still a player I'm not so sure i'd be that willing to facilitate when the same thing would never happen for my club.

[BigfeetBigsocks]

refereeing is a minefield, but was speaking to someone today who had considered going to the referees course in cahir tomorrow, but was told if he did, he would have to cut all links with the club he was involved in.. couldn't even be a member of the club

Now lets be honest, football people are football people.. they are in it, because they love it.. and then if they try to make a contribution back as a referee, and God knows its hard enough to get people to do it.. they have to cut themselves off from any other part of the game completely.. that's crazy in my opinion

What difference would it make for a referee at a Dualla/Ballyneale 4th division game, if he was helping out to coach his own clubs schoolboys for example ? Nuts

Ah refereein is a great hobby...thoroughly enjoy it, it was hard not to get urge to play again by god you do miss it but i can understand the stance on no more affliation to clubs because that can cause a minefield of trouble towards yourself which you can't stop.... people accusations of favourtism etc as every decision you make 50% will agree 50% won't its life....

[rushy12]

Your missing the point.....YOU CAN NOT HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER REFFING THE GAME.....and a club as big as saints should have the integrity to ring the league and say come on this is making us look bad as well....instead they are happy to take the advantage...it lacks class

thats a good point and I hope it never happens again it only brings controversy to a game before a ball is kicked. but to leave it now, its gone done and dusted. only thing I will say is that when your a good team or a strong team (saints, town etc.) you dont wait to see who the referee is, it shouldnt matter or worry a team that are decent. I hate when managers say 'lads todays ref is blah blah say nothing to him he will give us nothing and remember the time 16 years ago when he didnt give a peno' bulls**t like that, worrying about a referee before the game.. fellas should be going out to play knowing not to say anything and keeping their mouth shut..when was the last time a ref changed his mind..i think it should be mandatory for refs to meet the teams before a game and have a few words to let them know what he is about..some refs will say I will explain a decision if needed some wont. there is some idiots out there that shout and roar at refs over petty frees and throws, braindead. shouting at these refs is like asking cowen to step down (pointless excercise)

[Mega Tots]

thats a good point and I hope it never happens again it only brings controversy to a game before a ball is kicked. but to leave it now, its gone done and dusted. only thing I will say is that when your a good team or a strong team (saints, town etc.) you dont wait to see who the referee is, it shouldnt matter or worry a team that are decent. I hate when managers say 'lads todays ref is blah blah say nothing to him he will give us nothing and remember the time 16 years ago when he didnt give a peno' bulls**t like that, worrying about a referee before the game.. fellas should be going out to play knowing not to say anything and keeping their mouth shut..when was the last time a ref changed his mind..i think it should be mandatory for refs to meet the teams before a game and have a few words to let them know what he is about..some refs will say I will explain a decision if needed some wont. there is some idiots out there that shout and roar at refs over petty frees and throws, braindead. shouting at these refs is like asking cowen to step down (pointless excercise)

I agree with you about this craic of standing on the line and contesting EVERY decision,arguing over throws and frees 70 yards from your goals,it is ridiculous and there is one manager who is at it every week for 90 minutes and supporters on the line cant even enjoy a game he is so irritating

[ComeOnTownNow]

one referee who town hate gettin is johnny lyons, from time to time he definitly seemed to have a grudge against the club!

[rushy12]

I agree with you about this craic of standing on the line and contesting EVERY decision,arguing over throws and frees 70 yards from your goals,it is ridiculous and there is one manager who is at it every week for 90 minutes and supporters on the line cant even enjoy a game he is so irritating

I know who your on about, thats a distinctive voice tho! I am starting too feel your annoyance with Saints megatots..dont leave that fester into a personal thing! you will become an angry little man.

[hooper74]

one referee who town hate gettin is johnny lyons, from time to time he definitly seemed to have a grudge against the club!

In fairness i think Lyons accepted that himself and apologised which he probably deserves praise for although he really did "do" them in some big games

[Insidetherock]

thats a good point and I hope it never happens again it only brings controversy to a game before a ball is kicked. but to leave it now, its gone done and dusted. only thing I will say is that when your a good team or a strong team (saints, town etc.) you dont wait to see who the referee is, it shouldnt matter or worry a team that are decent. I hate when managers say 'lads todays ref is blah blah say nothing to him he will give us nothing and remember the time 16 years ago when he didnt give a peno' bulls**t like that, worrying about a referee before the game.. fellas should be going out to play knowing not to say anything and keeping their mouth shut..when was the last time a ref changed his mind..i think it should be mandatory for refs to meet the teams before a game and have a few words to let them know what he is about..some refs will say I will explain a decision if needed some wont. there is some idiots out there that shout and roar at refs over petty frees and throws, braindead. shouting at these refs is like asking cowen to step down (pointless excercise)

Fully agree with the vast majority of that post.. but as for a referee changing his mind.. last Sunday, David Slattery scored a goal for Cashel which the referee gave, and then overturned after protests from Clonmel Celtic. Cashel were 2-1 up, that would have made it 3-1, and put them out of sight. Within 5 minutes, he had evened up the game, by giving a blatantly offside goal to Clonmel Celtic, who duly took the lead with a cracker only a few minutes later. He then "did" Clonmel Celtic, by giving Cashel a very dubious penalty in injury time. On balance, even as a Cashel supporter, he shouldn't have given the penalty.

The referee turned what was a cracking game, with not a bad tackle in it, into an absolute farce, simply because he bottled one decision, and then left everything else run away from his.

I do however like your idea of referees talking to teams, or at the very least, the team manager and captain before a game, and letting them know what he is about. I honestly think dealing with the referee should be similar to rugby, the captain being allowed to question a decision, and the captain only. If the referee's were willing to explain contentious decisions, then a lot of conflict could be defused.

[republican]

lads i have been off dis a few weeks. just a few things.

1. In relation to the Saints v Celtic game being on at 4.30 everyone should be happy anyone that wanted to go but had a game clashing can now make what should b a cracking game of football between two super teams.

2. I would like to voice my annoyance at all the criticism being leveled toward a great club like St. Michael's with some of the above posts. It is testament to Michael's that you never see any of their supporters on this slagging off other clubs.

3. The ironic thing is that I recently spoke to a player in the TSDL and he told me of a certain center forward that he is friends with that plays in the TSDL for 1 of the big 2 clubs that has up to or over 4 to 5 usernames on this forum and keeps posting comments about himself in regard to how many goals he has so far, how hasn't he been capped for Ireland and so on and now the same fella is trying to drag down the good name of St. Michael's FC.

4. The club that this player plays for was a great club before he ever joined them and will be a great club when he leaves.

[ComeOnTownNow]

apologised?? did i miss something hooper??? fill me in "s'il vous plait"

[hooper74]

apologised?? did i miss something hooper??? fill me in "s'il vous plait"

I heard at the start of this seaon he spoke to a committee member and said he wanted a clean slate and admitted maybe he got a couple of calls wrong

[ComeOnTownNow]

fair play to him if he did but by god he got an awful lot wrong, last year up in cooke park in the tipp cup i heard town were robbed (i think) johnny is actually an alright fella off the pitch but cudnt understand some of his decisions! hopefully thats put to bed!

[ponyobrien]

Was there any games played today? Both Celtic games were off.

[West Hammer]

Only game played was St Nicholas's FAI game in north Tipp, which they won 0 - 2.

[balls]

fair play to nicholas, there going well this year

[ComeOnTownNow]

yeh, fair play to them, in the last 64 of fai, must be there first time ever, do town and celtic have home venues now? its surprisin bridge didnt ask to play the game in the complex, did they play their home league game in the complex last year too if im not mistaken, cud of made a few bob on the gate too

[West Hammer]

If an FAI game is called off due to weather then the home advantage is lost and the away team will be at home in re-fixed fixture.

[nononsense]

fair play to nicholas, there going well this year

Gosh, lads this is a great result. Well done St.Nicholas. This is what cup football is all about, a small friendly family club in the open draw of the F.A.I. Junior cup. And if memory serves me right they have won all their games away from home. Heres hoping they get a plum home draw - they have an excellent setup with dressing rooms and showers and their ground ain't bad either. Really thrilled for them.

[rushy12]

Does that mean saints lose home advantage ?I doubt it...and whats this gosh stuff grow a pair..nononsense no round ones

[hooper74]

Does that mean saints lose home advantage ?I doubt it...and whats this gosh stuff grow a pair..nononsense no round ones

Of course Saints lose home advantage,you only get one opportunity to play your home game in the FAI

[ComeOnTownNow]

tommy wont be happy bout that, nothin he can do bout it though :)

[Roberto]

Does anyone else find in peculiar that Tommy Lewis is listed as Vice President of St Michaels FC on their website and at the same time holds such a prominent and influential position with the TSDL? Surely a major conflict of interest there especially when he is involved in decisions affecting St Michaels. Don't be surprise if St Michaels rescheduled fixture against Celtic is fixed again for Cooke Park.

[Quietman]

Does anyone else find in peculiar that Tommy Lewis is listed as Vice President of St Michaels FC on their website and at the same time holds such a prominent and influential position with the TSDL? Surely a major conflict of interest there especially when he is involved in decisions affecting St Michaels. Don't be surprise if St Michaels rescheduled fixture against Celtic is fixed again for Cooke Park.

Correct me if I'm wrong people, but aren't all Club members entitled to also be members of the League Committee....(providing of course that they are nominated and voted in)...... Also isn't it so that the League doesn't have enough members at present. And of those that are there, they're only yes men for Lewis!!

[balls]

theres only 4 or five on league commitee and they would more than welcome anyone to come along and get involved its easy enough for us all to slate them on here but when you consider the work the men on that comitee have done for south tipperary football over past 25 -30 years they deserve alot of respect in my opinion

[Quietman]

I think everyclub should have a representative on the league committee.......... As it stands, only one man has the power within the League..............which is wrong!

[balls]

you wouldnt get one man on the comitee from every club, alot of the smaller clubs are one or two man shows and they have enough on there own plate keeping there own club going, maybe premier clubs should have a representative alright but then again in my eyes nothing is stopping them at the moment from having a person on the commitee just a matter of approaching someone on the tsdl commitee and asking can you get involved in some way im sure they would be more than welcome, if im not mistaken there are contact details for all commitee members on tsdl website also so that be another way of getting in contact. anyone know how refs course went, did many potential new refs show up i wonder

[Quietman]

FAI Junior Cup 4thRound
St. Michaels FC v Clonmel Celtic
Moneygall FC [NTDL] v Ballingarry Albion
Clonmel Town v Old Bridge

Taken from TSDL website today. I note that both Ballingarry and Bridge lost home advantage but St Michaels have not. Can anyone explain??

[saintsfan]

FAI Junior Cup 4thRound
St. Michaels FC v Clonmel Celtic
Moneygall FC [NTDL] v Ballingarry Albion
Clonmel Town v Old Bridge

Taken from TSDL website today. I note that both Ballingarry and Bridge lost home advantage but St Michaels have not. Can anyone explain??

Will probably be ate for saying this, but Cooke Park was playable - Saints wanted game to go ahead but Referee cancelled game because he couldnt travel. He must have coming from Iceland or some place!!!, Also want to say, there was a comment about an 8PM kick off on a Sunday night in Cooke Park against Clonmel Celtic. Saints obliged Celtic in this instance because some of their players were playing a GAA game earlier the same day.

[Quietman]

Will probably be ate for saying this, but Cooke Park was playable - Saints wanted game to go ahead but Referee cancelled game because he couldnt travel. He must have coming from Iceland or some place!!!, Also want to say, there was a comment about an 8PM kick off on a Sunday night in Cooke Park against Clonmel Celtic. Saints obliged Celtic in this instance because some of their players were playing a GAA game earlier the same day.

Surely the referee notified lewis well before the game was due to ko as he would of had to be leaving home about 1 1/2 hrs beforehand and another referee could have been found as all other games were off!! The conspiracy theorists are working overtime I bet!!

[Roberto]

Will probably be ate for saying this, but Cooke Park was playable - Saints wanted game to go ahead but Referee cancelled game because he couldnt travel. He must have coming from Iceland or some place!!!, Also want to say, there was a comment about an 8PM kick off on a Sunday night in Cooke Park against Clonmel Celtic. Saints obliged Celtic in this instance because some of their players were playing a GAA game earlier the same day.

Just out of curiosity, if the ref couldn't travel who deemed Cooke Park playable?

[Quietman]

Just out of curiosity, if the ref couldn't travel who deemed Cooke Park playable?

I'd imagine it's the fact that it wasn't deemed as being unplayable......................

[bishbash]

Will probably be ate for saying this, but Cooke Park was playable - Saints wanted game to go ahead but Referee cancelled game because he couldnt travel. He must have coming from Iceland or some place!!!, Also want to say, there was a comment about an 8PM kick off on a Sunday night in Cooke Park against Clonmel Celtic. Saints obliged Celtic in this instance because some of their players were playing a GAA game earlier the same day.

obliged Celtic get a grip man, the original fixture was set at 8 o clock then changed to 7, Celtic complained and was put back to 8 again. Clonmel celtic wanted the game played at half 2 which is the usually the latest time for kick offs come winter time. The time was fixed purely and simply so St michaels would have players available to them. To say that st michaels were obliging Celtic is laughable. everything is done to give st michaels an advantage and its embarrassing that you still try to defend the actions. half of st michaels pitch was frozen yesterday and they sai they were turning on the lights to get that half playable!! If that pitch was playable they would have had no problem whatsoever getting another official to ref the game in fact they would have went out of their way it just made it convenient to go this route to then make sure they kept home advantage.

[balls]

cant believe saints retain home advantage for refixed game but the reason for this is so strange i actually believe it to be true, you couldnt make something like that up. fixture list for next 2 weeks sees cahir ,peake and galbally without games yet again just shows the early season mid week games are there just to support town and saints get there league fixtures out of the way early so they can go on cup runs. dunno how teams at bottom are gonna keep fellas training and interested if your only prob gonna get 1 game a month abetween now and march/april