v Cobh Ramblers EA Sports Cup 13/4/10

[the sub]

its a win.thought the cobh keeper made a few decent stops and we should have won handy.good to see purcell back but way off big match fitness.


Cobh ramblers team is made up of under 18's youth players average age 18, also they had two under 16s and the player who scored is 17 years plus the centerforward that did not kick a ball for 8 months due to injuries that was his first game and what i been told 4 training sessions.
They then had to play another youth game the next day and won 3-0 so in all not a bad performance loosing 2-1 to Limerick.
Spoke to a few of the players said they were threated very well by the Limerick commette .. they are rebuilding a club that has hit rock bottom.
I was also told your fans in the stand were very funny throughout the game and mad...in a good way
so good luck to Dave and his young team for the coming season.

[Lim till i die]

Konopka (Waterford) McNulty or Devine (Cork) Delaney (Shels) Bennion (Athlone), Kelly or Austin O'Neill (Monaghan) are all easily better keepers than him imo, and theres probably a few more.

I'm not a huge Davy fan these days but out of that list I'd maybe give you Delaney,

The rest is nonsense tbf.

[joeSoap]

I'm not a huge Davy fan these days but out of that list I'd maybe give you Delaney,

The rest is nonsense tbf.
It's all a matter of opinion really, so its far from nonsense. You think that Daveys as good as or better than McNulty or Devine, or Bennion? Never in a million years in my opinion and from what I've seen of him he's no better than Austin O'Neill either. The reports I've read about the Monaghan keeper and Waterfords one are very good also.

[bluewhitearmy]

It's all a matter of opinion really, so its far from nonsense. You think that Daveys as good as or better than McNulty or Devine, or Bennion? Never in a million years in my opinion and from what I've seen of him he's no better than Austin O'Neill either. The reports I've read about the Monaghan keeper and Waterfords one are very good also.

When and how many times have you seen any of these keepers you say are better?
Not a hope is Austin better than Davy these days not even getting a game with Monaghan.

[osarusan]

How many times have any of us seen the keepers we're comparing with Ryan (favourably or otherwise)?

[Lim till i die]

It's all a matter of opinion really, so its far from nonsense. You think that Daveys as good as or better than McNulty or Devine, or Bennion? Never in a million years in my opinion and from what I've seen of him he's no better than Austin O'Neill either. The reports I've read about the Monaghan keeper and Waterfords one are very good also.

McNulty is mediocre at best which is why he has spent his entire career warming Citys bench until they imploded. A group of the FORAS lads spent half Good Friday evening giving out to me about him.

Devine is finished and has been for a couple of years which is why McNulty is starting ahead of him.

Bennion was never great and always more than capable of a mess up and is also now winding down his career. In fairness he's not an awful shout but the fact Dundalk let him go says a lot.

Austin O'Neill, lovely guy, mediocre keeper, far more capable of moments of clownery than Davy.

Konopka (who is at the age of 25 is finally playing his first ever season as a first choice btw) is dodgy, even the Waherfurr fans will tell you that.

And your opinion is nonsense Joe because I'd safely say you haven't seen Davy play more than a dozen times in the last two years, let alone these keepers you've been hearing good things about. :rolleyes:

Davy has his problems imo (for what my opinion is worth!!) his decision making and distribution are at times nuts (Is he being told by the bench to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible or what?!?!) but as a shot stopper and as someone who comes and collects high balls he is very, very, good at this level and I reckon any club in the Division bar Shels would happily do a swap with you.

[Lim till i die]

How many times have any of us seen the keepers we're comparing with Ryan (favourably or otherwise)?

Aussie, Bennion, Devine and McNulty literally dozens (I even remember when Devine was decent)

Kelly and Delaney, maybe ten or twelve times.

[joeSoap]

The amount of times I've seen him play is totally irrelevant. From what I've seen, and the general consensus agrees with me, he is not good enough for this standard of football simply because of his inconsistency. And I find it equally nonsensical that you acknowledge that he makes fundamental errors yet say he is the second best goalkeeper in the division.

Anyway, its a matter of opinions. I'll respect yours and leave it at that.

[bluewhitearmy]

The amount of times I've seen him play is totally irrelevant. From what I've seen, and the general consensus agrees with me, he is not good enough for this standard of football simply because of his inconsistency. And I find it equally nonsensical that you acknowledge that he makes fundamental errors yet say he is the second best goalkeeper in the division.

Anyway, its a matter of opinions. I'll respect yours and leave it at that.

Not at all how can you make a judgement on something or someone you haven't seen.

Thats because the other keepers make more fundamental mistakes.

[Lim till i die]

The amount of times I've seen him play is totally irrelevant.

Mortified for you Joe.

I'd be amazed if you have seen him play more than four times in the last two years which means your opinion is less valid than probably every single other poster in this thread including Battery Rover.

Go to the odd game Joe, you'd be amazed.


And I find it equally nonsensical that you acknowledge that he makes fundamental errors yet say he is the second best goalkeeper in the division.

Personally I'd have him as the best in the Division, certainly the most desireable to have on your books. Could probably argue Delaney is better but meh.

I find it nonsensical that you think a keeper somehow isn't good enough for League of Ireland Division One because he makes the odd error. Almunia and Boruc off the top of my head are error prone and they would both probably walk into any team in the division.

I also find it nonsensical that you can dismiss a keeper out of hand that you don't watch playing.

Just how high do you think the standard is btw??

Oh that's right you wouldn't have a bulls notion because you don't watch it.

[joeSoap]

Well, you were closer with your first estimate (closer to a dozen times in 2 years) than your second estimate of 4 in your last post, but as I said, thats largely irrelevant as its my opinion only that I'm expressing. I find it comical that you question my attendance at games seeing as I have attended more Limerick games than any poster here with the exception of Gary Spain. Excuse me for starting to watch League if Ireland since late 1976. Just to let you know, theres a lot more to being a keeper than being a good shot stopper and gatherer of high balls...but it seems okay for you to judge him second best keeper in the division even though you admit "that his decision making and distribution is nuts". Strange criteria you have there for quality in a goalkeeper.

Perhaps we should just agree that we have very different opinions on what makes a quality goalkeeper, and put the thread back on topic.

[bluewhitearmy]

Well, you were closer with your first estimate (closer to a dozen times in 2 years) than your second estimate of 4 in your last post, but as I said, thats largely irrelevant as its my opinion only that I'm expressing. I find it comical that you question my attendance at games seeing as I have attended more Limerick games than any poster here with the exception of Gary Spain. Excuse me for starting to watch League if Ireland since late 1976. Just to let you know, theres a lot more to being a keeper than being a good shot stopper and gatherer of high balls...but it seems okay for you to judge him second best keeper in the division even though you admit "that his decision making and distribution is nuts". Strange criteria you have there for quality in a goalkeeper.

Perhaps we should just agree that we have very different opinions on what makes a quality goalkeeper, and put the thread back on topic.

Your argument is kind of ridiculous though you give a list of keepers that are better that you have probably never seen going by how many games you said you have been to.If i'm wrong please let me know what keepers in your list you have seen recently.

How does going to games since 1976 have anything to do with it maybe a dozen games in the last 2 years means you know hardly anything if anything about the teams there now.

[joeSoap]

Your argument is kind of ridiculous though you give a list of keepers that are better that you have probably never seen going by how many games you said you have been to.If i'm wrong please let me know what keepers in your list you have seen recently.. Of the keepers I mentioned I have seen McNulty, Devine, Bennion, Delaney and O'Neill play in the last three seasons and I rate them all better keepers than Dave Ryan. What part of my opinion do you guys not understand? I'm not asking ye to agree with it, just respect that its my opinion like I respect yours?


How does going to games since 1976 have anything to do with it maybe a dozen games in the last 2 years means you know hardly anything if anything about the teams there now. It has nothing to do with it...just like the amount of games I have attended in the past two seasons has nothing to do with my opinion on who the best goalkeeper in the league may or may not be. I just don't appreciate being told I know nothing because I dont go to as many games as I used to.

I have nothing against Dave Ryan. I just don't rate him (like a lot of others on here) as much as you and LTID do. Thats all.

[Lim till i die]

Well, you were closer with your first estimate (closer to a dozen times in 2 years) than your second estimate of 4 in your last post

I find that hard to believe, you would have been well lamped ;)


I find it comical that you question my attendance at games seeing as I have attended more Limerick games than any poster here with the exception of Gary Spain. Excuse me for starting to watch League if Ireland since late 1976.

Congratulations on being middle aged????


Just to let you know, theres a lot more to being a keeper than being a good shot stopper and gatherer of high balls

I know Joe, I know. Once again you're confusing being one of the best in the First Division with being top quality.


but it seems okay for you to judge him second best keeper in the division even though you admit "that his decision making and distribution is nuts".

Ah that's not what I said though is it Joe?? You're leaving out the "at times" part, fairly crucial bit too but shur you're bright enough to know that without being told. Hell you were bright enough to leave it out to help your wafer thin argument.


Strange criteria you have there for quality in a goalkeeper.

As opposed to your "Ooh I read somewhere", "someone told me once", "I'm going to games since 1976" criteria??


Perhaps we should just agree that we have very different opinions on what makes a quality goalkeeper

Perhaps we should agree that once again joesoap is talking out his apeture, trying to stir it on the Limerick forum.

[joeSoap]

Gone way off topic. Feel free to start a thread on goalkeepers if necessary.