View Full Version : Sporting Fingal Gone Belly Up
pineapple stu
03/02/2011, 4:41 PM
Only if Finn doesn't want it.
Or Quigley actually.
Spudulika
03/02/2011, 4:48 PM
This is what I love about the LOI, the "fans" involved who take their hands out of their pockets long enough to manipulate something different in order to relish the demise of other clubs. It must be wonderful to know your own club is so secure and correct in its dealings. Guinney, look at our own club and see how it's developed, you might find it rather enlightening.
Yay! Let's hope everyone wins!!!!!
Longfordian
03/02/2011, 5:12 PM
It's all about the taking part you guys..
cheifo
03/02/2011, 5:14 PM
The fact is most Clubs in the League are built on a house of Sand. One Large bill or angry/ litigious Creditor away from been in serious trouble. There are not many Clubs left who have not experienced some major financial difficulty over the last Ten Years. People blaming the FAI for everything, does not IMO address the core issues. They cannot introduce lie detector tests into the licensing process nor babysit grown up People on how to run their Club 24/7.
Posters have valiantly tried to address those core issues on here for many a Year but here we are again -and we all know we are we'll be here again with someone else before Season close.
Unless Clubs can cover wages out of gate receipts only and Irish People stop spending their money on Teams from foreign Shores its hard to see things changing.
Sure Mario has been doing it for 15 years on various message boards
Don't think so ...
Sure no-one saw the Pats Francis merger coming e.g. ...
Btw I just hope for Pats sake Kellegher isnt tempted to merge them with Fingal and move them to Lusk, he could claim to be fullfulling his academy agenda by backing Bucko and it would leave him a clear run at redeveloping Richmond and the sites nearby he owns :laugh:
total hoofball
03/02/2011, 5:32 PM
Wut? How is this the FAI's fault? Why would SF going belly up particularly damage them?
The FAI have been holding them up as the model for new community clubs/franchises entering the league into the future while the dog on the street knew Fingal were more interested in binge spending rather than laying proper roots.
Kilkenny City, Kildare County, Derry City, Cork City - 4 clubs already gone bust under the FAI's 'watch'. Fingal, Bohs and Drogheda all teetering on the brink 4 years after they took over the running the league.
Having a 5th or 6th or 7th club going pop under their watch after having 4 years to sort the league ****es over any notions of credibility the FAI are desperate to portray. If the FAI were doing their job the disasters at Cork, Drogheda, Bohs and Fingal would never have been allowed to develop. They are a complete joke.
Hairy Bowsie
03/02/2011, 5:49 PM
Win win for either especially Shels if you ask me
Except it wouldn't actually be Shels would it and most current Shels fans wouldn't support this new ******* club.
Your post is possibly the most ridiculous i've ever read on here.
Cuyahoga
03/02/2011, 5:57 PM
The bottom line is that a team that has a tiny support like Fingal has is going to be in trouble. Clubs that have large support have been saved by their fans ( bohs,Shamrock Rovers,Cork City, Drogheda) . Fans make a club , Dublin City, Kilkenny City , Kildare County and Fingal all had one thing in common - little or no support .
Réiteoir
03/02/2011, 6:28 PM
The bottom line is that a team that has a tiny support like Fingal has is going to be in trouble. Clubs that have large support have been saved by their fans ( bohs,Shamrock Rovers,Cork City, Drogheda) . Fans make a club , Dublin City, Kilkenny City , Kildare County and Fingal all had one thing in common - little or no support .
As pointed out by Roy Dooney - the ill-fated League Commissioner a few years back...
The League of Ireland’s first and last Commissioner, Roy Dooney, sums up the attitude of many club owners: “Clubs are constantly looking for a quick and easy solution. They are constantly looking for something that will deliver them a crowd of 10,000 per match. It is all short term. There is no doubt these fellas love their clubs and they love what they are doing – they wouldn’t do it otherwise. Take Ronan Seery in Dublin City – Ronan is a nice fella but that club was like some sort of extension of a PlayStation game. You are the manager of a scabby little club a mile from Tolka Park and Dalymount Park, your biggest neighbours. You have a crappy little stadium and okay, you have the great idea to call yourselves the Vikings and play in the Dublin county colours, but you just go nowhere... and yet the fellas, they love it. Another chairman I heard had more or less frittered away all his money into the club. He sold his wife’s car and took a second mortgage on his home just to pay a player’s wages. It is just mad.”
Guinney
03/02/2011, 6:28 PM
This is what I love about the LOI, the "fans" involved who take their hands out of their pockets long enough to manipulate something different in order to relish the demise of other clubs. It must be wonderful to know your own club is so secure and correct in its dealings. Guinney, look at our own club and see how it's developed, you might find it rather enlightening.
Yeah my own club Dundalk had its financial problems a while back (like most other LOI club) but we survived and now with proper management and sustainable development we are doing okay, but we didn't gamble completely on the hope (miracle might be a better word) that some financial backer/sponsor would pop up and invest in us again, which is crazy in this economy. Dundalk is one of the oldest clubs in the league, its development to this day is over a hundred years, rather than a quick 3-4 year period of boom to bust. Fingals business plan was doomed to fail, when they have money they should putting it into development of the club instead of throwing it away on players wages. I take no pleasure in Fingals plight, but its no ones else’s fault except those who run the club. As a LOI fan they potentially represent another black mark on the league and this is something the league as a whole doesn’t need.
passerrby
03/02/2011, 7:09 PM
The bottom line is that a team that has a tiny support like Fingal has is going to be in trouble. Clubs that have large support have been saved by their fans ( bohs,Shamrock Rovers,Cork City, Drogheda) . Fans make a club , Dublin City, Kilkenny City , Kildare County and Fingal all had one thing in common - little or no support .
rubbish, both big and small fanbased clubs have gone to the wall and both big and small clubs continue to prosper in the league its down to the idiots running these clubs. I accept however its harder for a small club to come back from overburdening debts
Apparently Fingal are about to remove the previous press release as it was overly negative
New one paints a slightly more optimistic picture
D.24saint
03/02/2011, 7:16 PM
New one paints a slightly more optimistic picture
The FAI spin doctors have been to work.
BillyG
03/02/2011, 7:21 PM
Smoke and mirrors time now. An optimistic picture isn't going to pay the players. What's wrong with them just coming clean and saying that they are in deep doo doo and need a minor miracle to be able to suvive in their present guise???
Hairy Bowsie
03/02/2011, 7:25 PM
They can release as many statements as they like but i'm not believing a word of any of them because The Lep is the only man who truely knows whats going on. Anyone know where he is?
Cuyahoga
03/02/2011, 7:26 PM
rubbish, both big and small fanbased clubs have gone to the wall and both big and small clubs continue to prosper in the league its down to the idiots running these clubs. I accept however its harder for a small club to come back from overburdening debts
You're talking rubbish, no big club with support has gone out of existence, thats my point , they have been saved by the fact that they have a large loyal fanbase .
Except it wouldn't actually be Shels would it and most current Shels fans wouldn't support this new ******* club.
Your post is possibly the most ridiculous i've ever read on here.
So if the new club was called say Sporting Shelbourne for one year and then back to Shels after that, played this season in Tolka, in the Shels colours, in the premier division with Matthews as mgr and Bucko as director of football concentrating on the plans for Lusk with some of the Fingal players added to the current Shels squad?
I think alot of Shels fans could swallow that rather than another few years in the first ...
Charlie Darwin
03/02/2011, 7:39 PM
You're talking rubbish, no big club with support has gone out of existence, thats my point , they have been saved by the fact that they have a large loyal fanbase .
Cork City and Derry City went out of existence a year ago.
White Horse
03/02/2011, 7:40 PM
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Cuyahoga
03/02/2011, 7:45 PM
Cork City and Derry City went out of existence a year ago.
No i woudnt count that as going out of existence ,a cork city club still remained under the Foras name and is now Cork City FC,
so it was saved by its fans. There will be no fans trying to save Fingal , and there was no fans trying to save Kildare County or Dublin City.
OneForTheFuture
03/02/2011, 7:46 PM
So if the new club was called say Sporting Shelbourne for one year and then back to Shels after that, played this season in Tolka, in the Shels colours, in the premier division with Matthews as mgr and Bucko as director of football concentrating on the plans for Lusk with some of the Fingal players added to the current Shels squad?
I think alot of Shels fans could swallow that rather than another few years in the first ...
For what? What would Shels gain. 50 more fans??
Cuyahoga
03/02/2011, 7:48 PM
So if the new club was called say Sporting Shelbourne for one year and then back to Shels after that, played this season in Tolka, in the Shels colours, in the premier division with Matthews as mgr and Bucko as director of football concentrating on the plans for Lusk with some of the Fingal players added to the current Shels squad?
I think alot of Shels fans could swallow that rather than another few years in the first ...
Fingal Shels would be more approriate and keeping the Fingal name would give the Lusk plans a better chance.
Charlie Darwin
03/02/2011, 7:52 PM
No i woudnt count that as going out of existence ,a cork city club still remained under the Foras name and is now Cork City FC,
so it was saved by its fans. There will be no fans trying to save Fingal , and there was no fans trying to save Kildare County or Dublin City.
Well if you're just going to discount all counter-examples I suppose you'll always right. Neither Cork nor Derry were saved, though - new clubs were set up which bought the names from the old clubs, and all the people who were owed money were burned. Sporting Fingal could easily be "saved" in the same fashion, especially with council support.
For what? What would Shels gain. 50 more fans??
Dont forgot Tolka is already sold and the money spent, Shels are sitting ducks there with no where else to go ...
I've hear stories from Tolka that the Shels board were raging when Buckley popped up from now where and cosyed in with Fingal CoCo from the start.
Fingal CoCo are one of the few people who can offer Shels a long term home option of any sorts!
OneForTheFuture
03/02/2011, 8:04 PM
Dont forgot Tolka is already sold and the money spent, Shels are sitting ducks there with no where else to go ...
I've hear stories from Tolka that the Shels board were raging when Buckley popped up from now where and cosyed in with Fingal CoCo from the start.
Fingal CoCo are one of the few people who can offer Shels a long term home option of any sorts!
Fingal have:
No money
No home
No fans
Fingal have:
No money
No home
No fans
Hello!?
Look at the picture, Fingal could well be dead and buried, its not about them, if Shels could effectively get back into the premier and get a leg in the door with the council that's a win win for Shels!
Charlie Darwin
03/02/2011, 8:12 PM
Fingal have:
No money
No home
No fans
No debt either, which puts them in a better position than 7/10 clubs in Ireland.
OneForTheFuture
03/02/2011, 8:18 PM
And if the 2 clubs merge Shels debt would be.................................exactly as it is now!
OneForTheFuture
03/02/2011, 8:23 PM
Hello!?
Look at the picture, Fingal could well be dead and buried, its not about them, if Shels could effectively get back into the premier and get a leg in the door with the council that's a win win for Shels!
Hello!
Why would Fingal CC want anything to do with Shels? I don't see the benefit for those 2 to merge.
Hello!
Why would Fingal CC want anything to do with Shels? I don't see the benefit for those 2 to merge.
Fingal are nothing, if Buckley wants to go down with the ship so be it, but a token merger with Shels that saves face somewhat for him and maybe the FAI and lets him continue his Lusk project might suit him, might it not?
CSFShels
03/02/2011, 8:36 PM
Any potential merger can **** right off but I'd love if Fingal County Council wanted to work more closely with the club if the Fingal demise comes to fruition. No changing anything to do with the name, the crest, or any stupid gimmicks, but if Fingal are looking to have a team play in the area, and get involved with the Sport In Fingal project, one which could actually attract and already have fans, it'd be a bit of a no-brainer.
Any chance of us getting back into Europe then ?
OneForTheFuture
03/02/2011, 8:52 PM
Mario reckons if you merge with Fingal you will be back in straight away :D
Guinney
03/02/2011, 8:52 PM
Any chance of us getting back into Europe then ?
Thats the dream - 2 years running. Really if that happened I'd be over the moon but at the same time a little worried about the poor state of the league
Spudulika
03/02/2011, 9:05 PM
Yeah my own club Dundalk had its financial problems a while back (like most other LOI club) but we survived and now with proper management and sustainable development we are doing okay, but we didn't gamble completely on the hope (miracle might be a better word) that some financial backer/sponsor would pop up and invest in us again, which is crazy in this economy. Dundalk is one of the oldest clubs in the league, its development to this day is over a hundred years, rather than a quick 3-4 year period of boom to bust. Fingals business plan was doomed to fail, when they have money they should putting it into development of the club instead of throwing it away on players wages. I take no pleasure in Fingals plight, but its no ones else’s fault except those who run the club. As a LOI fan they potentially represent another black mark on the league and this is something the league as a whole doesn’t need.
Whether you let somebody else into your accout to make the posts, or you forgot what you posted, pull the other one.
Dundalk had problems for a long time and if you know the real history of the club then you'd sing a different tune. The ignorance of "fans" in Ireland is frightening. Just a few year ago we were the laughing stock of world football when a "fan" went with a can of petrol to the FAI offices, brilliant. At that Dundalk were struggling and are, as any other club in Ireland, a few steps from trouble. It's because of such "fans" that supporters will never develop.
Buile Shuibhne
03/02/2011, 9:24 PM
So if the new club was called say Sporting Shelbourne for one year and then back to Shels after that, played this season in Tolka, in the Shels colours, in the premier division with Matthews as mgr and Bucko as director of football concentrating on the plans for Lusk with some of the Fingal players added to the current Shels squad?
I think alot of Shels fans could swallow that rather than another few years in the first ...
No chance - we have a real club.
Real fans won't jump ship to an invented franchise.
Dave_SRFC
03/02/2011, 9:42 PM
Lets hope Fingal are done and dusted,
Guinney
03/02/2011, 10:20 PM
Whether you let somebody else into your accout to make the posts, or you forgot what you posted, pull the other one.
Dundalk had problems for a long time and if you know the real history of the club then you'd sing a different tune. The ignorance of "fans" in Ireland is frightening. Just a few year ago we were the laughing stock of world football when a "fan" went with a can of petrol to the FAI offices, brilliant. At that Dundalk were struggling and are, as any other club in Ireland, a few steps from trouble. It's because of such "fans" that supporters will never develop.
Seriously what are you talking about, Fingal can not be compared to Dundalk, totally different kettle of fish. As you seemingly already know Dundalk is a well established club with a long history and tradition, yeah Dundalks not perfect and I never claimed it to be. We all know about Maxi, we all know the dark days in the 1st division graveyard and before. But Fingal is a new club which in my opinion went about there business the wrong way, they thought the fan base would come if they put out a team of quality, instead they should've gradually building a fan base up and developing the club at the grass routes. Also if you are referring to me saying I did take pleasure in their plight then you misunderstood me, I may off saying things like they won't be missed and so on, but thats because I believe the way they run their club was unsustainable and that they added little to the league currently.
Also please stop putting the word fans in brackets, because its clear most people on here are fans and not "fans" and please refrain from using the word ignorant like your the only one who knows anything. Also most importantly if you want to highlight Dundalks problems please by all means start a thread with that title, this is Fingals thread. End of rant ..
legendz
03/02/2011, 10:20 PM
I hope not. It's a shame to see another LoI club in trouble. I can't see how LoI can be expanded. It has to be reduced to 20 clubs in total.
They cannot introduce lie detector tests into the licensing process nor babysit grown up People on how to run their Club 24/7.
As always, it's ultimately the clubs fault. However, it does show yet again failures of licencing, like it or not. They allowed SF, since it's inception, to submit clearly unsustainable business plans. They could've rejected those budgets, as they did with other clubs. Bohs has been an obvious problem waiting to happen for several years. If licencing wasn't supposed to prevent this from happening what is the feckin point of it? We might as well not bother with the bloody process if it won't do what it feckin says on the tin.
BonnieShels
03/02/2011, 11:20 PM
So if the new club was called say Sporting Shelbourne for one year and then back to Shels after that, played this season in Tolka, in the Shels colours, in the premier division with Matthews as mgr and Bucko as director of football concentrating on the plans for Lusk with some of the Fingal players added to the current Shels squad?
I think alot of Shels fans could swallow that rather than another few years in the first ...
No way. I like the First.
BonnieShels
03/02/2011, 11:34 PM
Fingals business plan was doomed to fail, when they have money they should putting it into development of the club instead of throwing it away on players wages. I take no pleasure in Fingals plight, but its no ones else’s fault except those who run the club. As a LOI fan they potentially represent another black mark on the league and this is something the league as a whole doesn’t need.
I spent over a year bleeting about this to the Lep and the like about how this has the potential to explode but we got the typical FF speak.
We have spent years putting up with clubs' destroying what was left of the league's reputation. And I include my own in that along with Bohs, Drogs, Derry and Cork.
Most peoples issue with Fingal was that we all knew it was smoke and mirrors and criticised them to the hilt about it.
But we kept being told that all was well and there's nothing to see here. We were told to lay off and stop throwing stones and talking down the league and the club.
We seemingly have been proved right. I will reserve a final judgement until its confirmed as terminal before I cast a rose on their grave. I wont miss them. The league won't miss them and if Mons or the Blas end up in the PD as a result if their demise then it was worth it.
redarmyfaction
04/02/2011, 12:04 AM
As always, it's ultimately the clubs fault. However, it does show yet again failures of licencing, like it or not. They allowed SF, since it's inception, to submit clearly unsustainable business plans. They could've rejected those budgets, as they did with other clubs. Bohs has been an obvious problem waiting to happen for several years. If licencing wasn't supposed to prevent this from happening what is the feckin point of it? We might as well not bother with the bloody process if it won't do what it feckin says on the tin.
Licensing might make things worse, when the Clubs get official sanction for what was a optimistic license application they then start to believe it in themselves.
The Lep
04/02/2011, 12:08 AM
Lets hope Fingal are done and dusted,
Is that because rovers couldnt beat us ? ;)
BonnieShels
04/02/2011, 12:12 AM
Is that because rovers couldnt beat us ? ;)
Is say that's exactly why.
So as a man in the know, Can ya tell us if you knew that it was coming to an end.
The Lep
04/02/2011, 12:18 AM
I can say its not at an end as of yet. I live in hope until its confirmed otherwise.
Buile Shuibhne
04/02/2011, 12:21 AM
I hope not. It's a shame to see another LoI club in trouble. I can't see how LoI can be expanded. It has to be reduced to 20 clubs in total.
No shame.
They're not another Loi club.
A recent short-lived franchise invention.
The Lep
04/02/2011, 12:27 AM
I can say with hand on heart that the above post is the strangest one ive seen on the board ;)
How is the sponsor set up at tolka Buile ? Read that its not all rosey.
BonnieShels
04/02/2011, 12:28 AM
I can say its not at an end as of yet. I live in hope until its confirmed otherwise.
I live in hope that it is confirmed.
Now, who do we play on the first day of the season now?
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