View Full Version : Sporting Fingal Gone Belly Up
Spudulika
20/12/2010, 4:10 PM
he's brought it upon himself. I have no sympathy for him or his poxy club at all.
Cheerio Lep.
When supporters of other clubs titter at the demise of Bohs, don't take it to heart eh? What goes around comes around. Would have expected better from a solid and sensible contributor as yourself - must be the great white north getting to you.
I hope SF get it together, the brand of football they play can only bring the league forward. What I don't understand is how our friend from Bray knows they were looking for foreign investment? Surely that should be struck off for wumming, or the journo who posted it flushed out.
Fingal are finished folks... heard they were looking for overseas investment due to gannon pulling the plug and nada.. Anyone else think this looks too much like wumming?
Schumi
20/12/2010, 4:13 PM
Do the Council own the ground? I thought they rented it from Clonliffe (and I'll admit I wouldn't be at all confident tht I'm right...)
It says here (http://www.mortonstadium.ie/#/about-us/4540762943) that Clonliffe are long term tenants and the NSCDA run it but not who owns it. I think it's the Council but couldn't be certain.
pineapple stu
20/12/2010, 4:15 PM
What I don't understand is how our friend from Bray knows they were looking for foreign investment? Surely that should be struck off for wumming, or the journo who posted it flushed out.
Good spot; post deleted, PM sent. They are looking for investment per the media reports here - possibly overseas; no reason not to cast the net as far as possible - but there's nothing to say it's plug-pull time yet.
Charlie Darwin
20/12/2010, 4:37 PM
Surely every club is looking for investment, overseas or otherwise?
Spudulika
20/12/2010, 5:13 PM
Thanks Pineapple Stu, it just seemed a bit too obvious and a little bit disingenuous. Charlie, you're almost 100% right, Shamrock Rovers are not looking for investment - per se. Sponsorship - yes, members - yes, season tickets - yes, but investors no, even if Abramovich sailed into Dublin Bay with a suitcase of roubles he'd be knocked back. All other clubs would think seriously about it.
The point I was making was that it seemed just a little bit too certain to be one of the unwashed wumming or trolling, there are more than a few journos on here who get a sniff of a story, then post something seemingly harmless to fish for more information and then write stories about the results - "a football source says", "sources in football say", "rumours of" and so on. It's grand when it's someone else's misfortune and club, then it hits home and suddenly such devious behaviour causes more than a few problems. No matter where they get funding from it would to keep the club in business, even if it's at a reduced cost base. At least they're a club who pay by the rules, which is a more than welcome sign in the league.
When supporters of other clubs titter at the demise of Bohs, don't take it to heart eh? What goes around comes around. Would have expected better from a solid and sensible contributor as yourself - must be the great white north getting to you.
fair enough. A bit harsh on Fingal. But The Lep is one of those posters that brings out the arshole in me.
Spudulika
20/12/2010, 6:04 PM
fair enough. A bit harsh on Fingal. But The Lep is one of those posters that brings out the arshole in me.
I am just recalling a speech from Team America about di@ks, arsholes and smth else - :-)
You know yourself that on the Bohs thread I wanted folks to stick to facts instead of just glorying in the misery of others, I had it from Drogs fans/friends way back when (only a couple of years ago in fact) and while it would have been easy to kick them when they were down, and go to town now, I just don't see the sense. Far better to see clubs for what they put on the field and put back in the community than anything else. Plus I always admired how they paid correctly (above the table) like Shamrock Rovers, Bohs and UCD. In a financial planning sense there makes more sense not to do so, and it always ties you in knows with the salary protocol etc, but at least it exudes some decency. I think Lep just should have taken a step back and let the trolls and morons post away, the moderators have been pretty tight most of the time and journos get found out. Here's hoping for a 2011 with all clubs in business.
Spudulika, I wont take it as you having a go, but to the Fingal fans and others reading, I was probably a little too harsh in my post, its not as if they are all trying to commit murder, they`re only supporting and standing up for their team. So in the spirit of the season of goodwill, I will withdraw any nasty elements I posted, as no club in the LOI is without any faults.
I am just recalling a speech from Team America about di@ks, arsholes and smth else - :-)
You know yourself that on the Bohs thread I wanted folks to stick to facts instead of just glorying in the misery of others, I had it from Drogs fans/friends way back when (only a couple of years ago in fact) and while it would have been easy to kick them when they were down, and go to town now, I just don't see the sense. Far better to see clubs for what they put on the field and put back in the community than anything else. Plus I always admired how they paid correctly (above the table) like Shamrock Rovers, Bohs and UCD. In a financial planning sense there makes more sense not to do so, and it always ties you in knows with the salary protocol etc, but at least it exudes some decency. I think Lep just should have taken a step back and let the trolls and morons post away, the moderators have been pretty tight most of the time and journos get found out. Here's hoping for a 2011 with all clubs in business.
jeeze, way to make me feel suitably sheepish... ;) :D
MariborKev
20/12/2010, 8:38 PM
Gannon featuring on Prime Time at the minute.....
redobit
20/12/2010, 9:14 PM
Gannon featuring on Prime Time at the minute.....
Absolutely sickening stuff.
From looking at it Sporting Fingal was just a plaything to Gannon, part of his greed empire where he threw cash around to benefit whatever power trip he was on. If I was a Fingal fan Id hate that *****.
Spudulika
20/12/2010, 9:17 PM
Is everybody lashing into the Christmas spirits? SkStu, stop slagging me! Oriel, you're a true bearer of one of the greatest kingdoms of old Ireland - the kingmaker kingdom. I reckon the next step is to fully resurrect Oriel - Oriel Sports Club, Mon's can be Farney Athletic, etc etc. It worked for rugby, it can work for football too. Maybe it's the christmas spirits coursing through my blood right now :-)
redobit, you'll find that behind every club is a person(s) who are in it for less than the public good. If you doubt that then why do sponsors sponsor? a) tax write off, b) getting punters in the doors, c) ego. It's business to them all, but at least his money went legally through contracts and papers, not sliding a few quid under the table to keep players onside.
L.T.F.C.
20/12/2010, 10:49 PM
If someone could answer some questions on this, because I'm totally oblivious to the whole thing.
Gannon put in 750k in 2009. Fingal made a loss of 75k the same year as far as I know.
1. Did he put it in through his company, or through himself?
2. Where did that money go?
3. The Lep mentioned earlier, before his departure, that there was something about re-zoning of land to suit Gannon. Was it that he made a "donation" to Fingal to sweeten the CoCo or what?
4. 750k removed from a LOI team budget is worrying. Do they seriously think they'll be challenging for anything next season with a revelation such as this?
Thanks to anyone that takes the time!
Magicme
21/12/2010, 1:39 AM
Is everybody lashing into the Christmas spirits? SkStu, stop slagging me! Oriel, you're a true bearer of one of the greatest kingdoms of old Ireland - the kingmaker kingdom. I reckon the next step is to fully resurrect Oriel - Oriel Sports Club, Mon's can be Farney Athletic, etc etc. It worked for rugby, it can work for football too. Maybe it's the christmas spirits coursing through my blood right now :-)
redobit, you'll find that behind every club is a person(s) who are in it for less than the public good. If you doubt that then why do sponsors sponsor? a) tax write off, b) getting punters in the doors, c) ego. It's business to them all, but at least his money went legally through contracts and papers, not sliding a few quid under the table to keep players onside.
Not wanting to nitpick but most of the kingdom of oriel was in Monaghan and farney is only a small part of carrickmacross who don't care bout the mons so not a good idea.
Also as a club that is owned by the community, with no money man, with our funding coming largely through fundraising and the utilisation of our assets, being run voluntarily, we are proof that not all clubs are as you described to redobit.
Just needed to point that out and sorry for my dickishness.
Enruoblehs
21/12/2010, 8:04 AM
If I was a Fingal fan Id hate that *****.
But that's just the point - there would be no FANS without Gannon's money.
There was no club started in the local FINGAL pub, playing in the Sunday leagues, who gradually attracted a 'CROWD' of 30 or 40 people, which gradually (over 30 years) rose through the leagues until they finally made it to ....................................... - well you know what I'm getting at!!!!
While there was always a part of the country names Fingal, it was never called that until a relatively short time ago. You would find it hard to find 'Citizens of Fingal' who, to this day, would call it by that name.
In short - NO GANNON (or someone like him) - NO Sporting Fingal.
BonnieShels
21/12/2010, 8:45 AM
And no coin flipping to decide the clubs' name.
Poor Student
21/12/2010, 8:45 PM
3. The Lep mentioned earlier, before his departure, that there was something about re-zoning of land to suit Gannon. Was it that he made a "donation" to Fingal to sweeten the CoCo or what?
You might say that; I couldn't possibly comment.
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 10:30 AM
If someone could answer some questions on this, because I'm totally oblivious to the whole thing.
Gannon put in 750k in 2009. Fingal made a loss of 75k the same year as far as I know.
1. Did he put it in through his company, or through himself?
2. Where did that money go?
3. The Lep mentioned earlier, before his departure, that there was something about re-zoning of land to suit Gannon. Was it that he made a "donation" to Fingal to sweeten the CoCo or what?
4. 750k removed from a LOI team budget is worrying. Do they seriously think they'll be challenging for anything next season with a revelation such as this?
Thanks to anyone that takes the time!
1 Not certain but seems to be a personal deal (I understand he is in NAMA personally as well as corperately so may make no difference.
2. Cost of running club (primarily wages - full time contracts not cheap (especially with such meagre crowds)
3. Recall there was somerthing around rezoning in connection with the prosed site for the ground they were hoping to build
4. yep. 750 K will leave a big hole in next seasons budget
Not (obviously) involved in Fingal so if anyone knows better feel free to correct me
pineapple stu
22/12/2010, 12:22 PM
In the Indo today (via the Shels forum (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?p=207519#207519)) that Mrs Gannon may be going into NAMA as well. So that would in theory put an end to any possibility of Gerry Gannon continuing his donations through her.
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:10 PM
In the Indo today (via the Shels forum (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?p=207519#207519)) that Mrs Gannon may be going into NAMA as well. So that would in theory put an end to any possibility of Gerry Gannon continuing his donations through her.
Somehow suspect the least of Mr (or Mrs) Gannons problems will be donating to Fingal :o My understanding is that Gerry Gannon has formally severed all links with Sporting Fingal .
Is your understanding from the link posted a couple of pages ago?
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:18 PM
Is your understanding from the link posted a couple of pages ago?
No, a more authoritive source. Lots of links to storys on this thread - some fact, some speculative.
And the one I was posting about was fact
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:20 PM
And the one I was posting about was fact.. Congrats, what seldom happens......:o
Charlie Darwin
22/12/2010, 4:39 PM
In the Indo today (via the Shels forum (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?p=207519#207519)) that Mrs Gannon may be going into NAMA as well. So that would in theory put an end to any possibility of Gerry Gannon continuing his donations through her.
Poor girl. Must have thought she was quids in when he gave her all those houses.
BonnieShels
22/12/2010, 5:34 PM
Just announced on news that Spingal have struck a deal with Bohs to play in Dalyer for the next 3 years.
legendz
22/12/2010, 6:04 PM
Can we say for sure this confirms Premier Division football for Dayler next season?
poster
22/12/2010, 6:05 PM
Can we say for sure this confirms Premier Division football for Dayler next season?
I'm quite sure we can.
legendz
22/12/2010, 6:08 PM
Cool, I wasn't sure Sp. Fingal are in a good position and ok for a Premier Division licence.
poster
22/12/2010, 6:13 PM
Cool, I wasn't sure Sp. Fingal are in a good position and ok for a Premier Division licence.
Yes, I personally can confirm Sporting Fingal will be fine.
Mario
23/12/2010, 10:54 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/sporting-to-play-home-games-at-dalymount-until-2013-2471618.html
"Approximately 40pc of the population of Fingal lives in Dublin 15. We have long been conscious of the fact that Santry is not an easy place to get to from this area. Phibsborough, however, is readily accessible by public transport from most parts of the county."
More comical ali talk from Fingal ...
If Bohs with their "success" cant make a go of it financially and get decent crowds into Dalymount, what hope have Fingal minus Gannons cash got?
Dodge
23/12/2010, 11:09 AM
They haven't. I think they've realised that Morton is awful and in the absence of home fans they're hoping that more away fans will head to Dalymount
Hilariously, next yer it'll cost Bohs fans €20 to watch Bohs v Fingal and €10 to watch Fingal v Bohs
holidaysong
23/12/2010, 11:15 AM
Didn't Dublin City play in Dalymount the year they folded?
pineapple stu
23/12/2010, 11:21 AM
They did, yeah.
legendz
23/12/2010, 11:22 AM
Funny alright. 4 times next season they are going to come head-to-head in Dayler. Fingal can offer Boh's fans two for the price of one.
holidaysong
23/12/2010, 11:31 AM
They did, yeah.
I don't suppose you have attendance figures going back that far but it'd be interesting to see if DC had much variation in crowds between Whitehall, Dalymount and also Inchicore was it?
It just sounds like Fingal are clutching at straws to justify this move. The only benefits will be for away fans who won't have to stand on that terrace in Santry.
pineapple stu
23/12/2010, 11:40 AM
I think the attendance threads go back to about 2003. Links should be in the resources sticky at the top of the forum. But to be honest, it'd be impossible to say if any differences were down to location as much as away support changes.
Spudulika
23/12/2010, 6:40 PM
Isn't it lovely to see the trolls out eagerly salivating for another club to collapse. Really guys, it's depressing the negativity on show, no wonder our league is in the merde with such great fans, if only there were actual supporters out there. Good luck to them in Dalyer, and I hope Bohs are Premier too as it'll be a better venue with more action.
passerrby
23/12/2010, 6:56 PM
I would regret the demise of bohs and most other clubs from the LOI however I do not feel the same for fingal as a club that was established for reasons other than football and attempted to buy success.
Spudulika
23/12/2010, 7:15 PM
I would regret the demise of bohs and most other clubs from the LOI however I do not feel the same for fingal as a club that was established for reasons other than football and attempted to buy success.
I hate to be the one to point it out to you, however since it was a response to my post it's just kind of normal. You've just said Fingal were established for reasons other than football, true, they play a large role in a number of community development programmes and initiatives that have been very successful - I've personal experience of this in the area my parents live in. So true on that one.
Your regret the demise of Bohs, but not Sporting Fingal - because you veer towards the latter buying their way to success. Hmm, odd that, I thought the ott contracts, bank loans and squandering of the good will and support of loyal supporters would be classed as attempting to buy success. Similar to Shels, Cork, Derry etc. Or is there another reason why you'd prefer to see a league club go out of existence?
Charlie Darwin
23/12/2010, 7:26 PM
I would regret the demise of bohs and most other clubs from the LOI however I do not feel the same for fingal as a club that was established for reasons other than football and attempted to buy success.
They DID buy success.
Buile Shuibhne
23/12/2010, 7:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/sporting-to-play-home-games-at-dalymount-until-2013-2471618.html
"Approximately 40pc of the population of Fingal lives in Dublin 15. We have long been conscious of the fact that Santry is not an easy place to get to from this area. Phibsborough, however, is readily accessible by public transport from most parts of the county."
More comical ali talk from Fingal ...
If Bohs with their "success" cant make a go of it financially and get decent crowds into Dalymount, what hope have Fingal minus Gannons cash got?
If they did manage to secure any new supporters from Dublin 15, what happens when they go to Lusk?
and have long-term plans to move to Lusk -- although the club are currently engaged in a search for investment that could impact upon their future, after the loss of main benefactor Gerry Gannon
How do they access the arsehole of Lusk from D15?
Charlie Darwin
23/12/2010, 7:35 PM
I don't think anybody seriously believes Lusk will ever happen.
I don't think anybody seriously believes Lusk will ever happen.
Apart from Spingal fan(s)
total hoofball
23/12/2010, 9:21 PM
tick tock, tick tock, tick tock
On the brink
Lack of finance could spell the end for Sporting Fingal
By Robin KIELY
Wednesday December 22 2010
SPORTING Fingal FC could be on the brink of extinction in its current form, just three years after it was established, unless a new investor is found, the Fingal Independent can reveal. The club's general manager, Joe Corr, stepped down from his post before the weekend, which followed the resignation of chairman Gerry Gannon last month.
http://www.fingal-independent.ie/premium/news/on-the-brink-2468751.htmlAgain, if some kind individual with access or a scanner can throw the full story up that would be nice
With Bohs so dependent on this Dalyer rent money Sporting Fingal's death could kill Bohs in one fell swoop!
Lamper.sffc
23/12/2010, 11:20 PM
Joe will be a loss alright. Very good for the club and always had the best interests of the club at heart. :(
The Lep
24/12/2010, 12:32 AM
If they did manage to secure any new supporters from Dublin 15, what happens when they go to Lusk?
They sit in a nice new stadium watching football.
How do they access the arsehole of Lusk from D15?
Down the M50 and the M1 and follow the signs to Lusk.
The Lep
24/12/2010, 12:34 AM
They DID buy success.
Who hasnt?
L.T.F.C.
24/12/2010, 12:42 AM
http://oi54.tinypic.com/vruc6t.jpg
http://oi53.tinypic.com/o9l79d.jpg
:cool:
The Lep
24/12/2010, 12:43 AM
I don't suppose you have attendance figures going back that far but it'd be interesting to see if DC had much variation in crowds between Whitehall, Dalymount and also Inchicore was it?
It just sounds like Fingal are clutching at straws to justify this move. The only benefits will be for away fans who won't have to stand on that terrace in Santry.
Dublin City had more in the first division in whitehall. There was over 2,000 at the last game against Bray in whitehall for the promotion . Fair enough it was swelled by a large Bray support which seems to be more than they have regulary now but it also seemed to be more home fans as well than there had been when Dublin city was in the premier. Fingal's attendance is already far greater than what city's was. there is a genuine reason for the move and not just based on trying to improve attendance.
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