U21 Vs Armenia

[Dodge]

As I've said before coaching in all levels of Irish fooball must be put in foreign hands. Like the first team it takes a foreign coach like Charlton & McCarthy to get some degree of success abeit it just means qualifing for touraments, Trap was unlucky at the last hurdle this time but he will come up with the goods in this campaign I think. There is plenty young talent in Ireland but it's not being nurtured or coached properly sadly.
Agreed, people like Tuohy and Kerr did nothing at underage level while managers like Ian Evans have been runaway successes

[Jacky08]

Get him OUT

[Top Drawer]

Have to agree look at his record
Competitive Games
2000
P W D L
3 0 0 3
2001
5 2 1 2
2002
3 1 0 2
2003
6 2 2 2
2004
3 1 2
2005
5 0 2 3
2006
4 3 1
2007
4 2 2
2008
4 0 2 2
2009
6 0 4 2
2010
1 0 0 1
*****___________________
Total p 44 w11 d11 L22

Before anybody complains two defeats were under the managership of Sean Mc Caffrey and one of those results was changed I think to a defeat because we played a player who was suspended - or am I dreaming

Winning only 11 games is not good enough when you also take into consideration that two of those wins were against Azerbaijan, 1 against Estonia and 2 against Cyprus

Consider that he has had two teams Under 16 and Under 18 that won European Championships

[kennedmc]

I want to dispel this myth of Givens and how he claims "develops players".

These players spend the majority of their footballing time with their clubs - maybe 95%.
they go into proper coaching at 14-15.
Givens would have most of them for 1 or 2 seasons maybe 3.
A poor player is a poor player and a good one is a good one! Spending a couple of days a year with the U21 isn't going to change that.

So how exactly does he develop a player when up to the age of 21 they have spent 7 years with club(s) who do the vast majority of the coaching?

I believe that on average our U21 teams should be able to compeete with maybe all bar (maybe) 12 top U21 teams in Europe
The man is clueless - get rid please!!

[yapster]

As far as I remember McCarthy did play for this country:confused::rolleyes:


who? England?? All jokes aside guys Givens saying he's not there to win games is laughable and the sooner he's gone the better. Bring in foreign coaches, it works for the first team so why not the under-age sides. Somebody mentioned Liam Tuohy ffs, ok he was passionate about the game in Ireland but sadly he didn't have it upstairs where it counts neither does Givens.

[mypost]

Just listened to an interview with Givens after the game last night on RTE radio.

He also trotted out his usual mantra, He was there, not to win games, but to develop players

Because it's the truth. The purpose is get players ready for the senior team, and less on winning games. The best ones will always go into the senior squad, so that weakens the U-21 one.

Let's be honest, the youth teams are treated with ignorance and indifference by the majority of fans and the media, for them only the senior team counts. It's not unusual, as it generally is around Europe. It's the South Americans who seem to care most about it.

Last night, we were brutal in the first half. Very unlucky to not have a player off after a quarter of an hour, for an off the ball incident outside the box. Technically outclassed as well. Second half was poor until they went down to 10 men for a second bookable. Played well enough after that, but too late to rescue a point.

We lost 2-6 over the two games, so it's clear who is the better team. And one other thing, if some of them Armenians play against the senior side in the qualifiers, we could have a harder task than expected.

[jw_tfc]

Just listened to an interview with Givens after the game last night on RTE radio. When the interviewer asked him “Was he considering his position?” Given became extremely tetchy and was adamant that he wouldn't be moved by journos with agendas. He also trotted out his usual mantra “He was there, not to win games, but to develop players”. He also blamed the players as par for course. Somethings never change. The seeds of doubt must surely have been sown in the mind of that moran, Delaney. Surely … well … surely

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.... A quote from the Great Winston Churchill

[Dodge]

Somebody mentioned Liam Tuohy ffs, ok he was passionate about the game in Ireland but sadly he didn't have it upstairs where it counts neither does Givens.

First Irish manager to reach a world cup finals at any level. Success with every Irish team he was inviolved with. Can't see how you think he was otherwise

As I posted, we had a foreign coach in Ian Evans. He was awful

Being foreign does not automatically make you better than an Irishman

[geysir]

Liam is the Don of Irish football.
Good article here (http://www.nufc.com/html/liam-tuohy.html)

"I was trying to keep too many balls in the air at one time. I was being paid £500 a year for the international job and they stopped tax on that. I was managing Shamrock Rovers and that was also part-time. And I was an area sales manager at HB Ice Cream. I was also married with five children actually Sheila had our sixth when I was at a game in Poland which didn't make me husband of the year."

[bennocelt]

Liam is the Don of Irish football.
Good article here (http://www.nufc.com/html/liam-tuohy.html)

"I was trying to keep too many balls in the air at one time. I was being paid £500 a year for the international job and they stopped tax on that. I was managing Shamrock Rovers and that was also part-time. And I was an area sales manager at HB Ice Cream. I was also married with five children actually Sheila had our sixth when I was at a game in Poland which didn't make me husband of the year."

Yeah he was a good football man, and was there before all the ole ole brigade
Wonder did he make much money with his football skools he did? I went to it and it was popular at the time, but expensive!!!!50 quid was a lot of dosh back in the day!