The Drogheda thread - budget being revised

[passerrby]

There is a very obvious difference ! You want me to spell it out for you - Requested informal meetings were held with representatives of the FAI to ask advice about budget requirements ets , they were advised that the budget they were going with would be refused , it was then revised twice to what the club seen as appropriate with regard to wages , overheads , sponsorship etc . I havent denied for one min that it was handled badly but some of the nonsense in the media is out of order and only makes the situation worse .

what this shows is that drogs are encapable of formulating a budget on their own without outside help which after the last couple of years is both sad and funny

[WindmillWarrior]

Don't agree. You can respond to a post without going into hysterics (You want me to spell it out for you?).

Hysterics??? Worst thing I can see he said there was "get real ffs". Nothing of the rest of the post could possibly be construed as hysterical imo (tho then again I'm not a snooty condescending moderator)

[SeanDrog]

ndrog - this is whitehorse we are talking about ...... reasoned debate concerning DU and whtehorse aren't exactly the order of the day.

Some people can put aside inter club rivarily etc to have a discussion, with the slight digs :) , others simply cant see through their haze of hate regarding specific clubs to have such discussions, IMO whitehore is one of these. TBF other Dundalk fans have their points in this thread but haven't being trying to stick their foot in (quite refreshing an to the betterment of the forum).

[WindmillWarrior]

what this shows is that drogs are encapable of formulating a budget on their own without outside help which after the last couple of years is both sad and funny

Yes, they made a bit of a tits of it. However it is now fixed. But don't let that get in the way of you having a pathetic little dig anyway

[passerrby]

your missing my point it took the fai to tell you what a sustanable budget was do you not think that after all your club has been through that at least you would not run headlong down the same road again and be in a position to tell what is possible and what is not. because if you are not they maybe the people who are running the club are the wrong people .. and it was not meant as a dig Just a reality check.
Oh and something else it feeds the notion that clubs are encapalble of running them selves

[ndrog]

what this shows is that drogs are encapable of formulating a budget on their own without outside help which after the last couple of years is both sad and funny

Or on the other hand Dufc are using the processes that exist in the fai with regard to consultation etc . The club spoke to and got advice re what the requirements were re the budget . Seriously folks this is pathetic what is so hard to understand about this ? Some good posts on this thread , some from Dundalk fans among others ! But some serious nonsesne .You cant do wrong for doing right it would seem ..

[pineapple stu]

Nothing of the rest of the post could possibly be construed as hysterical imo
He has two posts; the other one goes off on "You want me to spell it out for you?" and the like. Plus ndrog has gone in for hysterics time and time and time again on here, so it's not exactly out of the blue.

Anyways, that's my final comment on it. Back on topic.

[White Horse]

Just a couple of points I wish to make clear.

I want DUFC to survive and applaud the corrective action being taken at this early stage of the season. However, I disagree with the attempts to shout down anyone who questions the rather bizarre exaplanation of the reduced budget as being due to a recession that suddenly arose between December 2009 and January 2010.

[passerrby]

Or on the other hand Dufc are using the processes that exist in the fai with regard to consultation etc . The club spoke to and got advice re what the requirements were re the budget . Seriously folks this is pathetic what is so hard to understand about this ? Some good posts on this thread , some from Dundalk fans among others ! But some serious nonsesne .You cant do wrong for doing right it would seem ..

seriously ndrog im not having a go but when clubs fail to manage there own club without the fai having to teach them basic maths then that sends out the wrong message.any club should not have to be told what is sustanable and what is not that is passing responsibility for your club to someone else

[ndrog]

Ok one final time for whitehorse and passerby then ! A budget was drawn up by the board taking into account sponsorship , gates and all the normal revenue streams . The budget was made known to the fai - no problem .. Since xmas the budget has had to be reduced twice due to lack of forthcoming sponsorships , recession etc . The current budget was then presented to the fai by the deadline and we are waiting on word on wether it will be passed . All clubs have been in consultation throughout the process regarding there budgets . The revenue story was a nonsense story printed by pathetic journalists with nothing better to do .And passerby your comments are nothing more than having a dig at the people in the claretandblue club who are working seriously hard to make things work .

[passerrby]

Ok one final time for whitehorse and passerby then ! A budget was drawn up by the board taking into account sponsorship , gates and all the normal revenue streams . The budget was made known to the fai - no problem .. Since xmas the budget has had to be reduced twice due to lack of forthcoming sponsorships , recession etc . The current budget was then presented to the fai by the deadline and we are waiting on word on wether it will be passed . All clubs have been in consultation throughout the process regarding there budgets . The revenue story was a nonsense story printed by pathetic journalists with nothing better to do .And passerby your comments are nothing more than having a dig at the people in the claretandblue club who are working seriously hard to make things work .

In no way is my comments any attack on the supporters of drogs I have nothing but the hight of respect for them.but i assume it was not the supporters who have overseen the budget proposels if you have twice had your budget rejected/returned/ disallowed what ever it shows **** poor leadership.the phrase "the budget was made known"but was not submitted is symantics are you saying you never submitted a budget but we showed it to the fai.
and a question what if the fai were not supervising budget forcasts would that mean drogs would be now walking blindly into trouble

[mr.untitled]

seriously ndrog im not having a go but when clubs fail to manage there own club without the fai having to teach them basic maths then that sends out the wrong message.any club should not have to be told what is sustanable and what is not that is passing responsibility for your club to someone else

Passerby, do you think that DUFC are the only club seeking budget advice from the FAI this season. The FAI has adopted a zero tolerance approach for obvious reasons, it is my opinion that every club will seek budgetary advice. In the aftermath of our exiting examinership the fans demanded more transparency and thats what we have got. The people running the club are new to all this and have to carry out all their business under the full glare of the media and the keyboard junkies (see our MB for some good examples of 'hysteria' ). As far as I an concerned, there have been some pre season troubles which have been handled responsibly and the people running the club at present are to be commended.

[passerrby]

you are proberly right mr untitiled im sure the people at dufc are doing there best and are new to football administration and they should be respected for that just hate to see clubs in the news for financial reasons

[SeanDrog]

at just hate to see clubs in the news for financial reasons

never a truer word


don't we all .... :(

[dong]

and a question what if the fai were not supervising budget forcasts would that mean drogs would be now walking blindly into trouble

Yes, they probably would. That's the whole point of the process if I understand it correctly.
But so would we last season but for the FAI rejecting our budgets/advising us that the budget would not be workable. I'm not quite sure what the difference is to be honest.
If clubs cannot or will not get realistic with their budgets then the culture needs to be changed, but it won't happen overnight either.
To be fair to the FAI, they seem to be getting it right on this issue.

[passerrby]

Yes, they probably would. That's the whole point of the process if I understand it correctly.
But so would we last season but for the FAI rejecting our budgets/advising us that the budget would not be workable. I'm not quite sure what the difference is to be honest.
If clubs cannot or will not get realistic with their budgets then the culture needs to be changed, but it won't happen overnight either.
To be fair to the FAI, they seem to be getting it right on this issue.

agree they are we hope spot on but do you think it should not unreasonable to expect clubs to put forward budgets that dont need outside validation.

[Horus]

The club formed a budget before Christmas. It was a draft, a discussion document. After Christmas having been let down by various commitments vis a vis financial assistance due to individual/businesses difficulties, the board reviewed the budget whilst at the same time trying to secure additional funding. All clubs had to meet with the FAI after Christmas in relation to budgets. DUFC did, DUFC showed the draft budget, explained that it was awaiting the outcome of various sponsorship deals and other financial contributions, the FAI also made certain observations, explanations were given and accepted and we are where we are. Irresponsible???? Get a grip.

[OneRedArmy]

Is Drogheda "seeking budget advice" akin to the former Derry City board "seeking contract advice"?

The FAI aren't running a MABS clinic, they are supposed to be approving budgets based on realistic estimates.

[John83]

Could a mod change the title of the thread? It's pretty misleading now.

[mr.untitled]

outside validation.

It's the fai that validate it, inorder to participate in the FAI run league. Hardly 'outside validation'.

[Kildareman]

The Cork City thread is titled "...winding up order..." whilst this thread is "..a wind-up order" :) :) ;)

[passerrby]

The club formed a budget before Christmas. It was a draft, a discussion document. After Christmas having been let down by various commitments vis a vis financial assistance due to individual/businesses difficulties, the board reviewed the budget whilst at the same time trying to secure additional funding. All clubs had to meet with the FAI after Christmas in relation to budgets. DUFC did, DUFC showed the draft budget, explained that it was awaiting the outcome of various sponsorship deals and other financial contributions, the FAI also made certain observations, explanations were given and accepted and we are where we are. Irresponsible???? Get a grip.

such horse manure ,the club took a proposed budget to the fai which was rejected anything else is spin. and the fai is not there to tell you what to spent its only there to tell you if you are plans are ****.
my first point still stands if you need somebody else to tell you what should be your budget your a fool.
what is it with lOi clubs that they need someone else to tell them what they will spend by the end of the year compaired to what they will take in. do the ****ing basic maths.

[Ezeikial]

I don't think it is particularly important whether the FAI rejected/declined/recommended a revision or advised that the first draft would not be acceptable etc etc. The bottom line is that the process seems to have had the desired effect and the Drogheda budget presumably will now come in line with what the FAI deem acceptable - though passerby's point that this should not be necessary is entirely valid

The reality for seven or eight of the premier clubs is that it's really all about financial survival and retaining premier status this season. Trying to get the foundations right to work towards bridging the gap to compete with Bohs and Shamrock Rovers and doing so on a solid financial footing in the seasons ahead is the bigger picture.

[weecountyman]

Agree with Ezekial, if there is a lesson in this it's that the FAI are doing their job as advisors, this may sound dumb but it's how it works in North American sports leagues and for most of them it seems to work. The old Quebec Nordiques used to survive off trading players and lump sum investments from separatist Quebecqois, until the NHL enforced a pre-budget rule that saw the club fail in 11 instances within 1 season, as a result they were denied a licence, the franchise taken from them, given back to Denver where the Colorado Avalanche inherited an already good side and went on to win the Stanley Cup in their first year. The point is that if the authorities advise and apply rules evenly, then there can be no argument or come back if a club is denied a licence or fined/docked points, otherwise we're going to keep suffering more courtroom dramas year on year.

[marinobohs]

I dont where your getting your info.Our Budget was less than €6,500 last year and has been cut further this year and ours will be less than Quarter of your own clubs for this season so you should start looking closer to home for fairy stories.

RELAX, I was referring to questions that were raised here on Foot.ie. believe it or not I genuinely hope that there are no problems at Galway (although the "you are doing it worse than us" was not considered a defence for Bohs). given the names linked ith Galway it is hard to beleve the budget is less than last year but happy to take your assurance

Anyway, we all know Nick leeson would not break the bank ! :cool:

[total hoofball]

According to the sun today

- Drogheda's budget will be reduced by 30% on the initial budget
- Alan Matthews will stay on as manager
- Conor Kenna and Ross Gaynor are the only players to pack up and leave
- The rest of the squad will accept the paycuts


I do have to laugh at some of the Drogheda fans here falling for their boards horse**** about the sudden collapse of their budget after Christmas, fact is Drogheda outbid Pats for Gareth O'Connor just 2 weeks ago after they were due to submit their budget to the FAI. Drogheda have set another precident that you can snap up players offering fantasy wages you know you cannot pay and go back on it just in time for the season to start leaving players with little option to find a new club on the same money because clubs have signed up all their squads, a magnificent tactic to get a good squad on the cheap, at the players expense of course.

[chatterbox]

I do have to laugh at some of the Drogheda fans here falling for their boards horse**** about the sudden collapse of their budget after Christmas, fact is Drogheda outbid Pats for Gareth O'Connor just 2 weeks ago after they were due to submit their budget to the FAI. Drogheda have set another precident that you can snap up players offering fantasy wages you know you cannot pay and go back on it just in time for the season to start leaving players with little option to find a new club on the same money because clubs have signed up all their squads, a magnificent tactic to get a good squad on the cheap, at the players expense of course.

Mathews decides where the wages go, thats his choice, not the board's. Besides, the players are still free to leave and join other clubs (as two of them have chosen to do). The board are just doing now, what should have been done a month or two ago (although they claim there are various reasons that this didn't happen). They also claim that Mathews was kept informed of how the budget was shaping up almost on a weekly basis, whether you believe that or not, it was still him that offered the wages.

Personally, I wouldn't blame anyone for leaving with the financial situation so uncertain. Its like any business nowadays, the situation changes every week.

[pineapple stu]

Besides, the players are still free to leave and join other clubs (as two of them have chosen to do).
Not if the offer that they turned down doesn't stand now because the other club got in someone else.

[dong]

Drogheda have set another precident that you can snap up players offering fantasy wages you know you cannot pay and go back on it just in time for the season to start leaving players with little option to find a new club on the same money because clubs have signed up all their squads, a magnificent tactic to get a good squad on the cheap, at the players expense of course.

That's an excellent point hoofball.
Something will have to be done to prevent this in the future as it's an obvious flaw in the system when you think about it.

[centre mid]

Verbal contracts and all that?, If a player has a contract that is not honoured then the club cant get a licence surely.

[Macy]

I am laughing my head off at some of the posts which are trying their damn hardest to try and keep some sort of indignation going - brillant, keep it up lads , its priceless.

I agree, it's hard to credit the delusion of drogs fans getting their knickers in a twist given what's gone on. You know your fecked when the only support of how the finances have been handled comes from Bohs fans!

[SeanDrog]

touché

come on macy, it s not aimed at people with actual points, you know they posters its aimed at. There was a good discussion for the most part in the thread with views being expressed fromthe drogs positon (agree with them or not) and counter views being presented back. I thought it was quite refreshing. Unfortuantley that life cycle of the thread seems to be over and the drama queens are out in full force.

No probs at all with points of view which differ but come on, some people claiming we shouldnt get a licence because a verbal understanding is apparently the same as an FAI signed, santioned, approved contract, others claiming it was all part of the plan to outbid other clubs - for me this type of stuff is comical and really did make me laugh - had a right old giggle at it (some if others want to post the same, I would personally welcome it).

[pineapple stu]

Thread unlocked. It'll be locked again (or posts will be infracted) if we get onto stupid conspiracy theories on the title, misrepresenting of posts (I don't think anyone's claimed this is a deliberate ploy by Drogheda to sign better players than they could otherwise afford, for example) or generally unneccessarily aggressive posts (such as calling other posters illiterate). Your call.

[Doomofman]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow if they made the necessary changes... Wonder will the license only be given to clubs fully sorted or will some clubs get them on conditions

[Martinho II]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow if they made the necessary changes... Wonder will the license only be given to clubs fully sorted or will some clubs get them on conditions
would assume it will be for clubs fully sorted. Its not like a few yrs ago when licencing was new to the loi and the fai allowed some leeway in the process.

[Doomofman]

would assume it will be for clubs fully sorted. Its not like a few yrs ago when licencing was new to the loi and the fai allowed some leeway in the process.

Well I hope Drogheda have their budget sorted than... Always enjoy matches up there...

[Ezeikial]

Thread unlocked. It'll be locked again (or posts will be infracted) if we get onto stupid conspiracy theories on the title, misrepresenting of posts (I don't think anyone's claimed this is a deliberate ploy by Drogheda to sign better players than they could otherwise afford, for example) or generally unneccessarily aggressive posts (such as calling other posters illiterate). Your call.

More double standards here - imo your attitudes and standards in moderating and in your own posts are contradictory

[pineapple stu]

If you have a problem with any post, report it.

[BonnieShels]

Do we know when the announcement will be or shall I wait to be riled by Off The Ball later?

[Battery Rover]

Do we know when the announcement will be or shall I wait to be riled by Off The Ball later?

I am expecting a phone call sometime this evening.