Thierry Henry

[jebus]

The ref should have dissalowed it ,but it doesnt give henry an excuse....so you saying its not thierry henrys fault AT ALL for delibertaly attempting to handled the ball to help his team score ....Very desperate by henry,Very desperate by france also,they are meant to be a big dog country and they have to come down to this to win against a mediocre side like us.

So I assume you think Robbie Keane was a cheating desperado when handling in the box as well?

How about how we did Georgia out of two points in the group stages by not pointing out to the ref that he gave a penalty when we never should have had one?

Should we have offered a replay there too?

Serious answers please, I'm sick of the usual silence or 'you're a wum' response

[peterc1992]

yes because I'm the one being delusional about this process

I've made my points about how hypocritical I feel Irish fans are being about this in another thread, I assume you've read those, so please take me up on where I have gone wrong and I'll happily debate you on it

you commented on that itf it was the other way around we wouldnt complain..well it isnt,maybe it was instinctive by henry and alot of people would have done it but then he goes off celebrating and if it didnt happen.The ref should have seen it and the whole irish team saw it.If i was one of those players i wudnt been able to contrl my temper...Its a disgrace.Henry is a disgrace and i that incident follows him to the grave.


He could have done a robbie fowler on it and admitted to not being fouled.If he is SUCH a great ambassador to the game he would ahve done that but instead he chose to escape and show how desperate his country were.

[peterc1992]

So I assume you think Robbie Keane was a cheating desperado when handling in the box as well?

How about how we did Georgia out of two points in the group stages by not pointing out to the ref that he gave a penalty when we never should have had one?

Should we have offered a replay there too?

Serious answers please, I'm sick of the usual silence or 'you're a wum' response

Are you reffering to robbie keane hand ball's last night? Well was he penalised for them and a free out was given?

Cant comment on the georgia one because to tell you the truth i cant remember but i remember we just scraped it.

[Acornvilla]

talking to all the lads on my sweedish team on football identity and they all think its a disgrace

[jebus]

Are you reffering to robbie keane hand ball's last night? Well was he penalised for them and a free out was given?

Cant comment on the georgia one because to tell you the truth i cant remember but i remember we just scraped it.

Doesn't change the fact that Robbie tried to cheat and so is as big a disgrace as Henry (in some people's eyes) does it? Just means Henry got away with it and Robbie didn't

And why do you, and otehrs, seem to think Henry was once this shining example of sportsmanship? Remember his dive in World Cup 06 against Spain that set France off to a 3-1 win? He falls over quite easily for Barcelona every week as well, as does Messi, and Zlatan. Are they any less cheats than Henry?

[Predator]

I can't believe people are bringing up Keane's hand-balls as some sort of refutation to the outrage over Henry's actions. Setting aside the fact that Keane was penalised for each of the incidents involving hand-ball, I don't think one of them was truly intentional, as Henry's clearly was.

[cavan_fan]

Doesn't change the fact that Robbie tried to cheat and so is as big a disgrace as Henry (in some people's eyes) does it? Just means Henry got away with it and Robbie didn't

And why do you, and otehrs, seem to think Henry was once this shining example of sportsmanship? Remember his dive in World Cup 06 against Spain that set France off to a 3-1 win? He falls over quite easily for Barcelona every week as well, as does Messi, and Zlatan. Are they any less cheats than Henry?

The problem you have is that you see no scale in offences. You seem to struggle that Henry's offence was different from a run of the mill issue. I think if Anelka had got the pen and they had won from that we'd all be angry but I dont think we'd feel the same. Henry did something that shocked even regular football watchers around the world.

[jebus]

I can't believe people are bringing up Keane's hand-balls as some sort of refutation to the outrage over Henry's actions. Setting aside the fact that Keane was penalised for each of the incidents involving hand-ball, I don't think one of them was truly intentional, as Henry's clearly was.

I think at least one of them was intentional and as I said, it doesn't matter that he was caught, he was still cheating

Setting aside the handballs Keane is one of the main culprits week in, week out in the Premiership for trying to influence refs into giving corners, frees, throws, whatever when he knows damn well they're not his teams. That's cheating as well and I find it very hypocritical of him to moan about Henry cheating Ireland when he tries to do likewise to other teams every week, and I find it even worse that some people who watch football are equally hypocritical in pretending that cheating doesn't happen in every match nowadays

Can any of honestly say you've never shouted for the ref to give a corner/penalty/whatever when watching your LoI team even though you know no foul has been committed or the ball hit your player last?

Cavan Fan: I've said throughout this that I think there are two sides to this, whether you condemn cheating in all it's forms, or you don't, there's no middle ground whereby some of it is okay, other things aren't. Dunne tugging the shirt of Govou during a corner so he can't jump is cheating, Anelka diving is cheating and Henry and Keane using their hands is cheating.

You either think that it's okay to do so or you don't. I think it's that simple

[byrner01]

Imo, i think the game should be replayed. I really think its time for video replays to be used also , but for action leading to a goal only.

[jebus]

Imo, i think the game should be replayed. I really think its time for video replays to be used also , but for action leading to a goal only.

I liked the idea the RTE panel talked about last night of adopting tennis' approach and giving a manager 1 or 2 calls per match where he can ask for the ref to look at video footage.

Either that or just put linesmen beside the posts of the goal with flags

[L.T.F.C.]

Le Monde (Huge French Newspaper) shows a poll with almost 100,000 votes, that 88% are in favour of the motion that Ireland deserve to be in the finals.

[jebus]

can you give us the address of some of these forums?

cheers

Not allowed advertise other forums on here but here's every response from one thread, this isn't me selecting which ones best suit my cause and I can pm you the addy if you want to prove this


As if the LOLrish haven't made fools of themselves enough...

There is now a live text update on BBC featuring many hilarious quips from people calling for the game to be replayed, boyoctting the WC etc etc...

Give it a rest Mick, life ain't fair.



boycotting the WC


You're not there anyway you thick paddy :ffs:


I think they meant as in not watching it, buying merchandise, contributing financially to it etc...

but still, they look like fools with some of these whiney comments


Who cares if a few pikeys don't watch North Korea v New Zealand? :D


It's not like the Irish to hold a grudge


Yeah how dare we show displeasure at being cheated out of qualification for the biggest tournament in football!

so you see why I think people don't really care?

[Docboy]

Completed gutted over the circumstances under which we went out but feel it's poor form begging to FIFA for a reply when I can't see it ever happening. Unfortunately we just have to take it on the chin and move on.

So proud of the lads last night. They put everything they had into it and deserved to get there. Lording it over the French in their own back yard is not something I'm going to forget in a long time.

[jebus]

Completed gutted over the circumstances under which we went out but feel it's poor form begging to FIFA for a reply when I can't see it ever happening. Unfortunately we just have to take it on the chin and move on.

So proud of the lads last night. They put everything they had into it and deserved to get there. Lording it over the French in their own back yard is not something I'm going to forget in a long time.

This, exactly this.

I'm worried that all this nonsense about getting a replay is going to overshadow the performance and the failings of the campaign and blind us to what needs to be done for us to progress as a team.

We should be all spitting fury about the u21s and not about trying to get FIFA to change their rules for us because soon enough we'll be without Dunne, Given, Keane, Duff, Kilbane and even guys like Reid and O'Shea will be knocking on. Who's going to step in for them? If we're not careful we're going to slip right back to being a very mediocre side and thats getting lost among this hysteria

[tetsujin1979]

see what messages have been sent to Henry so far: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%40thierry_Henry

[OneRedArmy]

Not allowed advertise other forums on here but here's every response from one thread, this isn't me selecting which ones best suit my cause and I can pm you the addy if you want to prove this

so you see why I think people don't really care?In fairness, people making scathing comments on those are hardly any more or less representative than elsewhere. Its just the ying to the "we woz robbed" yang thats going on on here and other Irish websites.

I do agree that the whole thing has a faintly Princess Diana-tinge to it, but thats life these days!

[Maroon 7]

Not allowed advertise other forums on here but here's every response from one thread, this isn't me selecting which ones best suit my cause and I can pm you the addy if you want to prove this













so you see why I think people don't really care?

You should have told us it was the BNP forum you were on.:D

[kingdom hoop]

My message to Mr Henry would focus on his reaction to this saga more so than the 'mere' act itself. While I feel the handball was wrong and much more than a defensible natural instinct, I think some small mitigation arrives in the split-second timeframe.

So what is particularly distasteful is Henry's reaction, his denial of any culpability when he's had time to consider the issue. "But I'm not the referee," he said as if that concludes the matter and relegates his role. Alas poor Henry, you should know you are your own referee. A disgraceful act is one thing, but it is so much worse to blithely stand by that action and indeed shift the responsibility on to the referee as if that makes what he did ok.

To make an analogy I'm familiar with, a drunk person can occasionally offend someone. The least I'd expect from the offender is an apology and acceptance of responsibility. I would not expect them to explain the episode as "yeah, I did it, but I was drunk." A little more humility, a little less righteousness, would be nice.

[Murfinator]

heh heh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5vgjMOsAI

[NeilMcD]

NOt sure which is worse, the chelsea jersey or the ginger goatee.

[dodgycanadian]

Very scary to think that a couple nights after our under 21s are beaten 4-1 by ARMENIA... we may very well have witnessed the beginning of the golden generation's end. Players from this team were on teams that won the european U16s and U18s and also went to the World Youth Cup... Who do we have coming up... Anthony Stokes? Please..... I predict that 2012-2018 is a rough time for Irish football...



This, exactly this.

I'm worried that all this nonsense about getting a replay is going to overshadow the performance and the failings of the campaign and blind us to what needs to be done for us to progress as a team.

We should be all spitting fury about the u21s and not about trying to get FIFA to change their rules for us because soon enough we'll be without Dunne, Given, Keane, Duff, Kilbane and even guys like Reid and O'Shea will be knocking on. Who's going to step in for them? If we're not careful we're going to slip right back to being a very mediocre side and thats getting lost among this hysteria

[onenilgameover]

heh heh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty5vgjMOsAI

oh lord..thats embarrassing to the people of ireland.

[Lionel Ritchie]

I'd like to congratulate TH on his dream move to the Celts.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/weemex/henry-celts.jpg

[Noelys Guitar]

He wants the game replayed. Breaking news on the BBC.

[lionelhutz]

Any quotes from Henry himself?

[Noelys Guitar]

I hope he is not just covering his arse here and actually means it.

[Junior]

Just on RTE radio there. He said it would be the fairest way to see who should go to the World Cup.

Cynic in me says its perfect timing. FIFA have already stated their position but Henrys statement would give him some credence....

[spin]

He simply says 'the fairest thing would be to replay it'

He doesn't call for the FFF to do anything.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5706981,00.html

[Kildareman]

I notice the way he waited until after FIFA refused.

A purely political move to make the cheat look better and to try to repair his commercial image.

[Noelys Guitar]

Just on RTE radio there. He said it would be the fairest way to see who should go to the World Cup.

Synic in me says its perfect timing. FIFA have already stated their position but Henrys statement would give him some credence....

If that is the case (and you might well be right) then this guy is a supreme #%^$

[OneRedArmy]

Penny has dropped that he's the one that will carry the can out of all of this, with a permanently tarnished reputation.

[Duggie]

look its alright saying it when there is no chance of it happening. he was probably advised to say it, ease his image a bit.

[JT,New'09]

Just on RTE radio there. He said it would be the fairest way to see who should go to the World Cup.

Synic in me says its perfect timing. FIFA have already stated their position but Henrys statement would give him some credence....

Exactly what i Thought. :mad:

[endabob1]

I hope he is not just covering his arse here and actually means it.

He's just covering his ar$e, agent told him to do something in case he loses endorsment contracts

[Duggie]

"henry"..allo michel can i say we should replay this game

"platini"..ya say it, never going to happen though..mwwwhhahahahaaaaa

[DeNiro]

Yeh hollow words at this stage. I don't think it will improve his reputation now though. Will he canvass other players? Hard to know. It looks like it's done and dusted.

[Noelys Guitar]

Not a good week for football with first the handball and now this

Police arrest 15 in match-fixing investigation
Friday, 20 November 2009 13:37
Police in four European countries staged simultaneous raids and arrested 15 people as part of a match-fixing investigation encompassing nine European leagues, Bochum police said on Friday.


Police in Germany, Britain, Austria and Switzerland were involved, according to police, who said three matches in Europe's top level Champions League were among games under investigation.

[youngirish]

Hopefully people will stop having a go at Henry now. Blatter is the real f**ker here.

Players cheat in a split second without thinking about it. Irish players will do the same so get off that high horse.

[LeBleu]

Mr Henry, you should say this kind of thing at the referee when you have scored.
It's too late hypocrite.

[Arnold Layne]

Hopefully people will stop having a go at Henry now. Blatter is the real f**ker here.

Players cheat in a split second without thinking about it. Irish players will do the same so get off that high horse.

Noooooooooo. Henry cheated, don't mind this PR bull **** thats coming out now.

[Stuttgart88]

It's down to the FFF to offer a replay. FIFA can't do anything except make suggestions to FFF that they'd support a replay if they offered it. Henry has no influence here. Henry realises that his reputation is badly tarnished, he is shocked at the scale of the reaction and now he wants to be seen to be doing the right thing.

[elroy]

It's down to the FFF to offer a replay. FIFA can't do anything except make suggestions to FFF that they'd support a replay if they offered it. Henry has no influence here. Henry realises that his reputation is badly tarnished, he is shocked at the scale of the reaction and now he wants to be seen to be doing the right thing.


Couldnt agree more. And as much as I want it, the FFF have already made their decision. The qualification means so much €€€€€ for them, they wont offer all that up.

[paul_oshea]

great timing henry.

Of course he says this an hour after FIFA release their statement.

Great PR Thierry.

[osarusan]

Fifa have said they won't order a replay, but as far as I'm aware, that doesn't mean they couldn't approve one should the FFF decide to offer one.

Fifa won't order one as it would set a precedent, however if the FFF offer it (thereby avoiding precedent), I'd say they'd be willing to approve it.

I'm actually starting to consider that there might be a very small chance this could happen.

[carloz]

Easy to say it know after the FFF and Fifa have made up their mind. Just as it was easy to go around apologising to the Irish players when the match had finished, despite his celebration with his big grin

[Emmet7]

I admire Henry for this even if I am suspicious the game won't be replayed.

Even if it is replayed, whose to say something similar won't happen in the replay.

[paul_oshea]

Are people saying that if the FFF were to agree then FIFA would automatically do so? I doubt this to be hte case.

Is there any actual time-frame for appeal or anything like that?

Anyone got any extremely compromising/embarassing pictures of the head of the FFF? LeBleu care to help out?! :D

[paul_oshea]

Osarusan when i first heard there would be a look for a replay i knew in a million years this would never happen. For a man who is generally quite rational im very surprised to hear you come out with the above statement.

[carloz]

Fifa have said they won't order a replay, but as far as I'm aware, that doesn't mean they couldn't approve one should the FFF decide to offer one.

Fifa won't order one as it would set a precedent, however if the FFF offer it (thereby avoiding precedent), I'd say they'd be willing to approve it.

I'm actually starting to consider that there might be a very small chance this could happen.

Me too. Albeit less than 5% but a chance. There is actually a level of disgust in France about this. David Ginola spoke very well on Sky sports news this morning where he esentially apologies to the Irish on behalf of his country men

[Noelys Guitar]

Amazing that we get to hear from Henry and Hanson within the space of an hour. And just after FIFA's own statement. Sickening stuff. I thought yesterday the FFF might just crack. But today I am now sure FIFA are co-ordinating all these statements. Bluffer and Platini are pulling the strings.