Cup Final - Date and Venue

[LeixlipRed]

Well you clearly never paid attention to the FAI Cup because where do you think it was held for the last 80 years or so? Croke Park? It was held in Dalymount up until 1990 or so, then a few in Lansdowne, Tolka and the RDS.

[dcfcsteve]

The final was to be tallaght well before we knew who was in the final so what if the final had been between Bohs and Rovers? That would have been a dream final for the fai and could have broken a final attendance record.
Would it have been fair for a team to have home advantage in the final?

A Bohs-Rovers final breaking a cup final attendance record....?

Wondering if it's fair for a team to have home advantage in an FAI Cup Final...?

My God - you really have bene following Irish football since yesterday, haven't you....... :o

[Acornvilla]

A Bohs-Rovers final breaking a cup final attendance record....?

Wondering if it's fair for a team to have home advantage in an FAI Cup Final...?

My God - you really have bene following Irish football since yesterday, haven't you....... :o

some people learn a little slower than others. its not his fault:p

[Mark]

A Bohs-Rovers final breaking a cup final attendance record....?
:o

The record was a about 42,000 in about 1946 with Rovers and either Bohs or Drumcondra. To match that they'd have had to rent all those rooms in the Maldron, along with the apartments next door and maybe include shoppers in the square in the official attendance!

[dcfcsteve]

The record was a about 42,000 in about 1946 with Rovers and either Bohs or Drumcondra. To match that they'd have had to rent all those rooms in the Maldron, along with the apartments next door and maybe include shoppers in the square in the official attendance!

You don't even need to go back 60 odd years.

Considering Bohs couldn't even russle up more fans in their own town than the furthest located team from Dublin (Derry) for last year's Cup Final, the chances of a Dublin derby getting within a sniff of the Cork v Drogs attendance of only a few years back for the foreseeable future is nigh on zero...

[Lamper.sffc]

some people learn a little slower than others. its not his fault:p

Give it a rest lad. ok

[RoversHead]

What do neutral teams make of this?
I think the mods are very selective when it comes to enforcing forum rules .The personal abuse of SFFC fans from some of the muppets on here is a disgrace.On the final I think its a joke that there is no extra seating or attempt by the FAI to make the most of the occasion,capacity should be brought up to 10,000 .

[dcfcsteve]

I think the mods are very selective when it comes to enforcing forum rules .The personal abuse of SFFC fans from some of the muppets on here is a disgrace.On the final I think its a joke that there is no extra seating or attempt by the FAI to make the most of the occasion,capacity should be brought up to 10,000 .

There's no point having 10,000 seats availbale for what threatens to be one of the worst attended finals this decade.

Rather - the FAI should confirm that they can get more seats installed in-time if needed, and then monitor ticket sales closely before deciding at the latest possible minute whetehr or not to push the button for extra seating.

That way they don't waste money and we don't risk a stadium that looks half empty.

Plus - there's nothing like rarity value to help shift tickets to an event anyway.

[forza rovers]

There's no point having 10,000 seats availbale for what threatens to be one of the worst attended finals this decade.

Rather - the FAI should confirm that they can get more seats installed in-time if needed, and then monitor ticket sales closely before deciding at the latest possible minute whetehr or not to push the button for extra seating.

That way they don't waste money and we don't risk a stadium that looks half empty.

Plus - there's nothing like rarity value to help shift tickets to an event anyway.they need to put up more seats 10,000 would be a sell out Sligo Rovers would probably sell them all.

[SeanDrog]

You don't even need to go back 60 odd years.

the chances of a Dublin derby getting within a sniff of the Cork v Drogs attendance of only a few years back for the foreseeable future is nigh on zero...


Ah yes the Cork Drogs final, 25000 people in bitterly cold (and I mean bitter - took days to thaw out ) Lansdowne rd. Fantatic seeing that number at a domestic game - memory of it burnt into my mind.

[Acornvilla]

I think the mods are very selective when it comes to enforcing forum rules .The personal abuse of SFFC fans from some of the muppets on here is a disgrace.On the final I think its a joke that there is no extra seating or attempt by the FAI to make the most of the occasion,capacity should be brought up to 10,000 .
for the record if i said anything about the fingal lads im only joking i dont have a problem with them. so apologies for any offence

[redarmyfaction]

FAI should easily sell 10000 tickets for this.

A conservative 6500 from Sligo.
An optimistic 1500 from SF.
A conservative 1000 LOI neutrals
An optimistic 1000 curious noobs to see the Stadium and attracted by the fantastic FAI marketing campaign (shome mishtake shurely .ed )
The nearer ticket sales get to sell out the more attractive the fixture becomes.
Voila a full house for the cameras, plaudits to the FAI for their courage in putting the extra seats and wonderment for the barstoolers as they see the Rovers support bring a European style atmosphere into Tallaght.
If they don't put in extra seats there is the spectre of ticketless and ****ed off Rovers fans wandering to the local hostelries demanding the games be put on instead of the Hull V Wigan game on Sky.

[dcfcsteve]

they need to put up more seats 10,000 would be a sell out Sligo Rovers would probably sell them all.

Which is your opinion.

The point is that it would make sense to see how ticket sales are going first before taking the risk of adding more seating. Why plunk seats down without it looking like they'll be filled ? :confused: Your vown personal iew on this doesn't count as sufficient evidnece on which to spend thousands on temporary seating.

It's not like fan estimates of likely support have never turned out to be overly ambitious before...

[redarmyfaction]

Which is your opinion.

The point is that it would make sense to see how ticket sales are going first before taking the risk of adding more seating. Why plunk seats down without it looking like they'll be filled ? :confused: Your vown personal iew on this doesn't count as sufficient evidnece on which to spend thousands on temporary seating.

It's not like fan estimates of likely support have never turned out to be overly ambitious before...

I base my estimate of 6500+ on precedent. Our estimated travel to cup final has always been 8000+. In our last FAI cup final outing (the 1994 final) we brought in excess of 8000 and we outnumbered our extremely poorly supported opposition by three to one.

It is clear to any right thinking person that a 6000 capacity is not enough.

[redobit]

Which is your opinion.

The point is that it would make sense to see how ticket sales are going first before taking the risk of adding more seating. Why plunk seats down without it looking like they'll be filled ? :confused: Your vown personal iew on this doesn't count as sufficient evidnece on which to spend thousands on temporary seating.

It's not like fan estimates of likely support have never turned out to be overly ambitious before...

But this is the point dcfcsteve, they arent talking about seeing how many will sell before adding seating. They are basing the amount of seats on average league games and semi final numbers (which are defineatly too small cause ive been to every game) and then just providing the number of seats andletting people fight for them almost.

And if they sell them through ticketmaster it will be a complete joke:
1. loyal fans will definetly miss out
2. the touts will have a field day
3. buying a ticket through ticketmaster means you could end up sitting beside anybody - which will kill the singing section and atmosphere for the game

[redarmyfaction]

sligo rovers sold all thier tickets in three days or so. Sporting have yet to return any for the people on our waiting list, and It looks unlikely they will since sligo are all over the north county of dublin buying then up.

[blackholesun]

sligo rovers sold all thier tickets in three days or so. Sporting have yet to return any for the people on our waiting list, and It looks unlikely they will since sligo are all over the north county of dublin buying then up.

FAI announced tickets on open sale from Rovers megastore in Tallaght as from today. Twas annoucned via Rovers club text service earlier today.

bhs

[Straightstory]

I've been trying to buy tickets for the last two days on Ticketmaster, but it's not working. Any one else been trying? Have any luck?

[kd16]

I've been trying to buy tickets for the last two days on Ticketmaster, but it's not working. Any one else been trying? Have any luck?

You can them in Tallaght from today

[Rovers1]

I've been trying to buy tickets for the last two days on Ticketmaster, but it's not working. Any one else been trying? Have any luck?

Think there was a very limited amount put on sale for TM. You'd be better off going to Fingal for a ticket.

[Sean South]

There's no point having 10,000 seats availbale for what threatens to be one of the worst attended finals this decade

How do you come to that opinion? Oh thats right your talking through you ar$e as always

[dcfcsteve]

How do you come to that opinion? Oh thats right your talking through you ar$e as always

The game is 4 days away.

1) How many tickets are available for the game in total ?

2) How many have been sold to-date ?

The answers to those questions will show which one of us is talking through their arse.... :rolleyes:

[srfc1928]

The game is 4 days away.

1) How many tickets are available for the game in total ?

2) How many have been sold to-date ?

The answers to those questions will show which one of us is talking through their arse.... :rolleyes:
If the capacity of the venue was incresed from the start or a larger alternative venue with a larger capacity was used, I think we would bring a larger crowd with us. I know a lot of guys that attend the occasional match at the Showgrounds but werent that bothered to queue in the rain or put their name on a waiting list on the chance they may get a ticket. We may get some tickets back from Fingal tonight and go on sale tomorrow, but thats very late to make plans.
I think we would have brought a lot more 'floaters' if tickets were freely available. We were given an allocation of 4,500 tickets, 3,000 were sold in the first 3 hours and the balance were sold witihin 24 hours of going on sale

[blackholesun]

thats very late to make plans.

Rubbish, even if someone got one at 12 o'clock on Sunday, just jump in the car and get to Tallaght, no excuses!

The fact that the FAI are getting Shamrock Rovers to publicise the tickets on sale in Tallaght, shows they are afraid the game wont sell out, given the sales to date.

bhs

[srfc1928]

Rubbish, even if someone got one at 12 o'clock on Sunday, just jump in the car and get to Tallaght, no excuses!

bhs
Not everyone is as committed to their clubs as the people on here.
As I said I'm talking about 'floaters'. Releasing tickets on a Thursday is very late in the week.

[Rovers1]

The fact that the FAI are getting Shamrock Rovers to publicise the tickets on sale in Tallaght, shows they are afraid the game wont sell out, given the sales to date.

bhs

Bring them tickets down to Sligo, they'd be gone in no time.

[celticV3]

The fact that the FAI are getting Shamrock Rovers to publicise the tickets on sale in Tallaght, shows they are afraid the game wont sell out, given the sales to date.


All tickets originally allocated to sligo rovers were sold out in less than 24hrs, pretty decent going by any clubs standards. There are still people all over Sligo looking to get tickets, getting people in Dublin to get fingal tickets, that is what they are resorting to.
So just because the "bigger" teams got knocked out and franchise are in the fianl doesn't mean that it is going to be one of the worst attended games as steve said stupidly above.

[dcfcsteve]

All tickets originally allocated to sligo rovers were sold out in less than 24hrs, pretty decent going by any clubs standards. There are still people all over Sligo looking to get tickets, getting people in Dublin to get fingal tickets, that is what they are resorting to.
So just because the "bigger" teams got knocked out and franchise are in the fianl doesn't mean that it is going to be one of the worst attended games as steve said stupidly above.

Grow up Celticv3, and stop taking this as some sort of 'small team' slight. The capacity is restricted to approx 6,000. I'd therefore be keen to hear how you think it WON'T be one of the worst attended finals of all time....? :rolleyes:

And that's before we get onto the fact that less than 4 days before the match, those limited number of tickets still haven't sold out any way.

Now - we can all play the 'what if' game about tickets and Sligo, but it's meaningless. The reality is that the game hasn't even sold 6,000 tickets this close to the big day. Sligo have done their bit, so don't take it as a personal slight against your club.

In summary this will probably be the worst attended FAI Cup final ever. Fact. If only because the limited capacity makes it inevitable.

[Redie]

Grow up Celticv3, and stop taking this as some sort of 'small team' slight. The capacity is restricted to approx 6,000. I'd therefore be keen to hear how you think it WON'T be one of the worst attended finals of all time....? :rolleyes:

And that's before we get onto the fact that less than 4 days before the match, those limited number of tickets still haven't sold out any way.

Now - we can all play the 'what if' game about tickets and Sligo, but it's meaningless. The reality is that the game hasn't even sold 6,000 tickets this close to the big day. Sligo have done their bit, so don't take it as a personal slight against your club.

In summary this will probably be the worst attended FAI Cup final ever. Fact. If only because the limited capacity makes it inevitable.


As far as I know the capacity is now 8,800 and it's very likely that it will be sold out.

Do you have attendance figures for previous cup finals and if so you might put them up.

[dcfcsteve]

As far as I know the capacity is now 8,800 and it's very likely that it will be sold out.

Do you have attendance figures for previous cup finals and if so you might put them up.

Yes. I'm not going to list all 88 Cup finals, but here's the last few (figures are official unless stated) :

2008 : 10,281.
2007 : 10,000 (estimate)
2006 : 16.022.
2005 : 24,521.

The 2004 and 2002 (second final) had attendances not much higher than 8,800 - but higher they were.

I've better things to do than scan through the attendances at all 88 finals to-date to be honest, but from those I looked at none had an attendances as low as 8,800 (the 2000 replay did though).

No matter which way you look at it, a crowd of 8,800 will be one of the worst - and possible the worst - for an FAI Cup Final. I don't see why Sligo fans are acting all hurt over that fact. You've done your bit on ticket sales, and the capacity restrictions meant it was always going to be a record low regardless.

:ball:

[EnglishSource]

the capacity restrictions meant it was always going to be a record low regardless.


There was more at Rovers - Real than some of the figures you've quoted there. If there was a demand for them then more temporary seats could have been fit in. Plus, at the Rovers - Real game there was only 1000 odd seats on the side of the pitch that the East Stand now occupies.

[HarpoJoyce]

Yes. I'm not going to list all 88 Cup finals, but here's the last few (figures are official unless stated) :
2008 : 10,281.
2007 : 10,000 (estimate)
2006 : 16.022.
2005 : 24,521.
The 2004 and 2002 (second final) had attendances not much higher than 8,800 - but higher they were.
I've better things to do than scan through the attendances at all 88 finals to-date to be honest, but from those I looked at none had an attendances as low as 8,800 (the 2000 replay did though).
No matter which way you look at it, a crowd of 8,800 will be one of the worst - and possible the worst - for an FAI Cup Final. I don't see why Sligo fans are acting all hurt over that fact. You've done your bit on ticket sales, and the capacity restrictions meant it was always going to be a record low regardless.:ball:

It's fair to differeniate between the Final and Final Replay. That's the tradition in England for the FA Cup anyway.

1984 Final Replay had an estimate of 8,000 between UCD and Shamrock Rvs. It was considered the lowest attendance at the time, but that is qualified as a Replay match. Guess who got blamed for that one, ( I had homework).
It was the First Final or Final Replay in Tolka Park.

No team had lifted the cup there until Bray won in 1999. The Replay and second Replay in that year may compete with the 1984 figure.


(I think if a fan comes from a tradition of Blame when there are low attendances then that fan shouldn't be suprised when it's their turn.)

[celticV3]

Grow up Celticv3, and stop taking this as some sort of 'small team' slight. The capacity is restricted to approx 6,000. I'd therefore be keen to hear how you think it WON'T be one of the worst attended finals of all time....? :rolleyes:
Well the fact that you've not even got the attendance right says it all really. Wade in with your opinion anyway though.

[Redie]

There was more at Rovers - Real than some of the figures you've quoted there. If there was a demand for them then more temporary seats could have been fit in. Plus, at the Rovers - Real game there was only 1000 odd seats on the side of the pitch that the East Stand now occupies.

The following is from SRFC press release when the Real Madrid match was announced.......

On Monday July 20th Real Madrid will play a match against Shamrock Rovers at the new Tallaght Stadium in West Dublin. The match is being promoted by PLATINUM ONE and additional seating is being brought in to create a capacity of 9,000. Tickets go on sale to Shamrock Rovers FC members and season ticket holders from 9am this coming Saturday (June 20th) and will go on general release at 9am on Monday (June 22nd). All tickets are priced at €60 (excluding charges) and are available at http://platinumonegroup.ticketsolve.com or www.shamrockrovers.ie. The ticket phone lines will be open to the general public at 9am on Monday morning (June 22nd) on (01)200 3616.

We had to shame The FAI into increasing the capacity from 6,000 by bringing in extra tempory seating.

[EnglishSource]

The following is from SRFC press release when the Real Madrid match was announced.......

On Monday July 20th Real Madrid will play a match against Shamrock Rovers at the new Tallaght Stadium in West Dublin. The match is being promoted by PLATINUM ONE and additional seating is being brought in to create a capacity of 9,000. Tickets go on sale to Shamrock Rovers FC members and season ticket holders from 9am this coming Saturday (June 20th) and will go on general release at 9am on Monday (June 22nd). All tickets are priced at €60 (excluding charges) and are available at http://platinumonegroup.ticketsolve.com or www.shamrockrovers.ie (http://www.shamrockrovers.ie). The ticket phone lines will be open to the general public at 9am on Monday morning (June 22nd) on (01)200 3616.
.

Not certain of the point you're making, but I think it's trying to say that the capacity for the Madrid game was 9,000. That press release was from before they added the extra seats on the east side which brought the capacity over 10,000.

Apologies if this was not your point.

[passinginterest]

I wouldn't be surpried if the game was off given the forecast for Saturday. The pitch can get very waterlogged and with the rain all week and serious storms forecast for Saturday it might just be unplayable. I'm hoping to pick up a ticket myself and would like to see it sold out.

Even if 8,000 odd is the lowest attendance in history it'll seem much bigger than a lot of other finals purely because the ground won't have large expanses of empty seats.

[dublinred]

Rubbish, even if someone got one at 12 o'clock on Sunday, just jump in the car and get to Tallaght, no excuses!

The fact that the FAI are getting Shamrock Rovers to publicise the tickets on sale in Tallaght, shows they are afraid the game wont sell out, given the sales to date.

bhs

Its a nice gesture by the FAI to give the locals an oppurtunity to see what a bit of silverware looks like.

[Jeebus]

Its a nice gesture by the FAI to give the locals an oppurtunity to see what a bit of silverware looks like.

...... that hasnt been fleeced!

[Riddickcule]

If SF were to win this game, it would be a disgrace to the sport

[Mr A]

If SF were to win this game, it would be a disgrace to the sport

What in the name of clumpering blue terrapins of flaming death are you talking about man?

Both teams are in the final on merit. Whoever wins it deserves it, regardless of fanbase or history. Simple as that.

[Riddickcule]

Sorry, last nights game still roaming around the noggin...apologies

[Acornvilla]

What in the name of clumpering blue terrapins of flaming death are you talking about man?

Both teams are in the final on merit. Whoever wins it deserves it, regardless of fanbase or history. Simple as that.
hahaha :)

[The Lep]

I wouldn't be surpried if the game was off given the forecast for Saturday. The pitch can get very waterlogged and with the rain all week and serious storms forecast for Saturday it might just be unplayable. I'm hoping to pick up a ticket myself and would like to see it sold out.

Even if 8,000 odd is the lowest attendance in history it'll seem much bigger than a lot of other finals purely because the ground won't have large expanses of empty seats.

It might be dry enough for sunday.

[dong]

The capacity is restricted to approx 6,000.


That's incorrect.

[Acornvilla]

That's incorrect.
sorry if this has been cleared up already but has there been any offocial decision on the capacity of the match?

[Rovers1]

sorry if this has been cleared up already but has there been any offocial decision on the capacity of the match?

8,800 from what i've heard.

[redarmyfaction]

There's no point having 10,000 seats availbale for what threatens to be one of the worst attended finals this decade.



I got two tickets today for the raining section for an extremely grateful pair of brothers who were convinced until then they would not get to go to the game. If the FAI had raised the capacity another 1200 to spare their anxiety that might be point enough.

[dcfcsteve]

Well the fact that you've not even got the attendance right says it all really. Wade in with your opinion anyway though.

In post No. 72 I asked what the capacity for the final was. No-one - including yourself - bothered to confirm.

No other posts on the site mentioned an increase in capacity beyond the original figures of 6,000, so by post No 79 I used that figure but clarified it with "approx".

Since then, two Rovers fans have talked of the increased attendance in terms of "as far as I know", suggesting that even fans of the clubs involved aren't certain what the capacity is now. So it's hardly been well publicised that it has changed.

Regardless - that all changes not a jot re the point. That this will be one of the worst attended finals of all time. That isn't an opinion that I'm wading in with - it's a fact. If you don't agree that it's a fact - fine. But at least clarify why.

And in fairness, you might be better advised to spend your time working out the difference between 'capacity' and 'attendance' than picking a fight with daft points.

[Rovers1]

If the FAI had raised the capacity another 1200 to spare their anxiety that might be point enough.

Those 1,200 tickets would be snapped up straight away. If there were another 2,000 tickets on sale tomorrow morning, they'd sell out.

[celticV3]

Regardless - that all changes not a jot re the point. That this will be one of the worst attended finals of all time. That isn't an opinion that I'm wading in with - it's a fact. If you don't agree that it's a fact - fine. But at least clarify why.

And in fairness, you might be better advised to spend your time working out the difference between 'capacity' and 'attendance' than picking a fight with daft points.
Why talk about the attendance then because it is not a matter of tickets not selling well, its is incompetence on the part of the FAI to hold the game in Tallaght. Our club has had to come out with an official apology because of the lack of tickets that we were given to try and meet the demand and also some rovers fans resorting to buying fingal tickets.

So yes it might be the worst attended final in years, but that is only because the attendance is capped by those wanting to christen tallaght stadium. Its pointless talking about the low attendance figure that will come after sunday because nothing can be done about it because of FAI incompetence.