Owen Garvan

[DeLorean]

Yeah United played Anderson out the left against Burnley, presumably just because he's left footed. Made no sense to me.

Ronaldo is excellent with both feet but obviously right footed. Nani, for all his faults, seems pretty cofortable off both as well.

[EalingGreen]

For some reason, and this isn't gospel, left footed players generally seem to be much weaker on their right than right footed players on their left.There is absolutely no inherent/physiological reason why that should be, so I suspect it may be because left-footed players are simply more visible than right footers.
And even if it should be at least partially correct, I'm sure that is down to conditioning/lazy coaching.
That is, left-footed players are so valued that they are allowed to get away with not practising with their weaker foot.
Speaking personally, I often got picked on the left for teams where I wouldn't normally have been good enough to play in the centre or down the right. This was because being left-handed, people incorrectly assumed I was also left-footed (I'm left-handed/right footed, an unusual but by no means unique combination).
Anyhow, being left-handed, I was never scared of trying to kick with my "wrong" (left) foot, so that eventually I became near equally proficient/useless with both!
Consequently, if I was coaching young kids, I would actually ban them from using their "good" foot until their weaker foot improved.

[Stuttgart88]

We actually just had a "2 footedness" (ambipedalicness?) debate on the Aiden McGeady thread EG.

Arshavin is a current example of excellent 2 footedness. A player of similar talent and physique is Modric, but he's remarkably one footed I'm sure you'll agree. My club bias has nothing to do with this observation.

[tetsujin1979]

I do think the lack of left-footers in the game means they do tend to get shunted out to the left wing, rather than have their natural talent "wasted" in the centre of the pitch, where a right footer could do as well a job

[Manblue]

Cant see garvan even on the bench, did i miss something? injured or just cut

[Colbert Report]

Obviously he's one of the players that Keane was talking about when he said that he had players that wouldn't play for him again. Garvan is as good as gone tomorrow I'd say.

[Crosby87]

Keane says he had a good chat with Trigs who never heard of Garvan either, so they decided to cut this mysterious lad. Luton is looking into Garvan according to Trigs.

[tetsujin1979]

given the fans' reaction to the sale of Rhodes, and his impact at his new club, how do you feel they'll react to the sale of Garvan?

[Manc Irish Wolf]

Got a mate at work, who's an Ipswich fan who reckons that Garvan's pace and workrate are the biggest stumbling block to his future development.

Appears that Burnley are in for him in a £1million deal - if anyone can get the best out of him Coyle can, so hopefully it'll come off:

http://www.ipswichtown-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=460521

Seems like Ipswich fans have mixed views:

http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s78/st148590.htm

[tetsujin1979]

Garvan linked with Cardiff in the Mirror: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/incoming/Cardiff-boss-Dave-Jones-keen-to-land-Ipswich-midfielder-Owen-Garvan-article218387.html
With McPhail out until the end of the year with a muscle injury, he'd be a good fit in the side.

[ifk101]

Garvan linked with Cardiff in the Mirror: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/incoming/Cardiff-boss-Dave-Jones-keen-to-land-Ipswich-midfielder-Owen-Garvan-article218387.html
With McPhail out until the end of the year with a muscle injury, he'd be a good fit in the side.

Hope he gets to move away from Ipswich asap. Needs to be playing first team football and there's zero chance of that happening with Keane in charge.

[drummerboy]

Agree, I think Owen needs to get away from Keane asap. The man just doesn't rate Garvan and can be spiteful to boot. Bottom of the table all season and he hasnt really given the lad a proper run in the team.

[Ozymandias]

Agree, I think Owen needs to get away from Keane asap. The man just doesn't rate Garvan and can be spiteful to boot. Bottom of the table all season and he hasnt really given the lad a proper run in the team.

was in london last week went to reading game...I was talking to a few ipswich fans and they all to a man said garvans attitude is way off and that at the moment he is not good enough..they all said that he was their great hope when he broke through a coupl;e of years ago but he hasn't kicked on...none of them said he should be starting......interesting to get a fans viewpoint

[third policeman]

Interesting view, but I think Garvan's decline is not unconnected to Keane's arrival and his preferance for a more physical / box to box style of midfield play. Watched him play for the U21's and he still seems blessed with all the attributes to be a top player. Sometimes its actually more difficult for technically talented players to make it, because they will always be perceived in the English game as luxuries. There is therefore additional pressure on them to perform and when they do slip up its sometimes seems more conspicuous and engenders less sympathy that if a grafter loses possesion or his control lets him down. There have been too many instances of talented Irish players not fulfilling their potential in the English game, it's just a shame that there is where they inevitable end up when they may actually be better suited to European football.

[Stuttgart88]

Already a far better player than some of the donkeys Celtic seem to have in their midfield this season. I was impressed by him in the Swiss U21 game too.

[Junior]

Already a far better player than some of the donkeys Celtic seem to have in their midfield this season. I was impressed by him in the Swiss U21 game too.

A bit random there Stutts?

McGeady, Maloney, Nguemo, Brown, Robson, Crosas, McCourt, McGinn and Zhen Zhi are the main midfielders who have featured for us this year.

I like the look of Garvan but have only seen a handful of U21 performances. Celtic have been playing $hite this season, no doubt but I think your statement is a tad extreme.

I think you're views are still heavily influenced by the high qualities displayed by Donati at The Emirates;)

[Colbert Report]

A bit random there Stutts?

McGeady, Maloney, Nguemo, Brown, Robson, Crosas, McCourt, McGinn and Zhen Zhi are the main midfielders who have featured for us this year.

I like the look of Garvan but have only seen a handful of U21 performances. Celtic have been playing $hite this season, no doubt but I think your statement is a tad extreme.

I think you're views are still heavily influenced by the high qualities displayed by Donati at The Emirates;)

Why do players like McGeady and Brown (certainly head and shoulders above the rest of those names you list) stay at Celtic? Wouldn't they earn far more money playing in England? I wonder about player's motivations. If I was as good as these two, I wouldn't waste my time playing such a low standard of football, I'd rather play for a team like Bolton or Everton.

[irishfan86]

Why do players like McGeady and Brown (certainly head and shoulders above the rest of those names you list) stay at Celtic? Wouldn't they earn far more money playing in England? I wonder about player's motivations. If I was as good as these two, I wouldn't waste my time playing such a low standard of football, I'd rather play for a team like Bolton or Everton.

Well, there are other factors that come into play:

-a chance to win trophies
-European football
-playing in your home nation
-playing in front of one of the largest crowds in Britain
-in McGeady's case, playing for his childhood team

And it's not as if they're on pennies a week- those two are probably among the higher paid players in the league.

[Junior]

ColbertReport,

I had a go at answering that question for you before but seemed to have overlooked it or not taken the points on board.

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?p=1265899#post1265899

Not too different to irishfan86's response below.


Well, there are other factors that come into play:

-a chance to win trophies
-European football
-playing in your home nation
-playing in front of one of the largest crowds in Britain
-in McGeady's case, playing for his childhood team

And it's not as if they're on pennies a week- those two are probably among the higher paid players in the league.

You say "I wonder about a players motivations" but in both recent posts you've made on this subject you only refer to earning more money - That might say alot about your motivations.

[Colbert Report]

ColbertReport,

I had a go at answering that question for you before but seemed to have overlooked it or not taken the points on board.

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?p=1265899#post1265899

Not too different to irishfan86's response below.



You say "I wonder about a players motivations" but in both recent posts you've made on this subject you only refer to earning more money - That might say alot about your motivations.


I might have been able to buy this argument back when Celtic were getting into the Champions League group stages year after year. Now, they struggle to get out of the Europa League group stages.

As for winning trophies, what would you rather do? Play for a mid-table club in League 2 over in England or win the Dublin beer league championship? That is about the difference in standard between the SPL and the EPL.

[Stuttgart88]

Nguemo, Brown, Robson, Crosas, Zhen Zhi are the main midfielders who have featured for us this year.

Has any of those done anything of merit yet this season? Not that I've seen. The 2 lads I omitted - Mccourt & McGinnn - have shown something about them but the others haven't. Rank ordinariness at best.

[Razors left peg]

Has any of those done anything of merit yet this season? Not that I've seen. The 2 lads I omitted - Mccourt & McGinnn - have shown something about them but the others haven't. Rank ordinariness at best.

Nguemo is a very good player but the rest have been poor this season.Crosas has never proved himself

[drummerboy]

Sorry lads but I thought this thread was about Owen Garven and not GLASGOW Celtic.

[irishfan86]

Sorry lads but I thought this thread was about Owen Garven and not GLASGOW Celtic.

I think it's fair to talk about the players he could be potentially competing for places with if a transfer took place...

[third policeman]

Have I missed something/ Is therer any actual suggestion linking garvan with Celtic?

[Junior]

I might have been able to buy this argument back when Celtic were getting into the Champions League group stages year after year. Now, they struggle to get out of the Europa League group stages..

Well unless you think Aiden is a mind reader, whats he supposed to have done?

They didnt make it out of the Group Stages last season for the first season in a few years. This year has been a disaster in terms of Europe but no one expected it to be this bad.

As the next transfer window is not till January - who knows what will happen.



As for winning trophies, what would you rather do? Play for a mid-table club in League 2 over in England or win the Dublin beer league championship? That is about the difference in standard between the SPL and the EPL.

Personally, Id rather play for Celtic, a club I supported as a boy, with a proud history, a fabulous stadium and fans, winning trophies, representing them in the Champions League and winning against the likes of Milan, Man U, Juve, etc....than er...... Play for a mid-table club in League 2 over in England

But hey thats just my personal opinion, no doubt you could earn more money with your option, so you'd be happy enough.


Mods: Sorry, if anything this should be in Aidens thread - back on topic from now on.

[Junior]

Has any of those done anything of merit yet this season? Not that I've seen. The 2 lads I omitted - Mccourt & McGinnn - have shown something about them but the others haven't. Rank ordinariness at best.

No absolutely not, Celtics midfield has been poor - But then what has Garvan done of note this season? It was just in response to your statement


Already a far better player than some of the donkeys Celtic seem to have in their midfield this season

That isnt the case imo though Ive also thought he looked good in the few U21 games Ive seen - Its all potential really isnt it?

Im sure Barcelona and Celtic thought that Crosas would be the real deal but he's failed to match the hype so far.

Lets see how he progresses - needs to be playing though;)

PS: McCourt has looked average at best since his couple of wonder goals.

[Stuttgart88]

Yeah, it's just disappointing that a guy herladed many times (by non-Irish) as being one of the best players - not just best young players - outside the EPL is now seemingly spending another whole season doing F all.

[Irish_Praha]

Rumour (from The People, admittedly) that Forest are interested in taking him..

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_method=full%26objectID=21822967%26siteID=93463-name_page.html

I would be delighted if we did get him. Forest are a club going places under Billy Davies and there is cash available...

Nice one he an McGugan could be the future :P

[Colbert Report]

Well unless you think Aiden is a mind reader, whats he supposed to have done?

They didnt make it out of the Group Stages last season for the first season in a few years. This year has been a disaster in terms of Europe but no one expected it to be this bad.

As the next transfer window is not till January - who knows what will happen.



Personally, Id rather play for Celtic, a club I supported as a boy, with a proud history, a fabulous stadium and fans, winning trophies, representing them in the Champions League and winning against the likes of Milan, Man U, Juve, etc....than er...... Play for a mid-table club in League 2 over in England

But hey thats just my personal opinion, no doubt you could earn more money with your option, so you'd be happy enough.


Mods: Sorry, if anything this should be in Aidens thread - back on topic from now on.

You're living in the past man. This isn't 2005-2006 anymore. This is 2009, where Celtic can't afford to pay the likes of Nakamura to bend in free kicks against Manchester United because the big TV money is all gone. Celtic are stuck now losing to the likes of the second place team in the Cypriot league.

[Deckydee]

QPR are interested in him:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR-boss-Jim-Magilton-wants-loan-deal-for-Steven-Gerrard-in-the-making-article224039.html

Out of favour Ipswich midfield playmaker Owen Garvan could link up again with his old boss Jim Magilton.

QPR chief Magilton has enquired about possibly taking the Republic of Ireland skipper to Loftus Road on loan.

The goals are flowing from the promotion chasing Championship Rangers side and Magilton feels that Garvan’s midfield craft could create more.

Fans of struggling Ipswich are puzzled as to why Magilton’s successor Roy Keane does not appear to rate Garvan.

The Portman Road chief declares that the popular player “needs to do more".

Cardiff, Nottingham Forest and Scunthorpe are also watching the situation closely.

Former Ipswich boss Joe Royle once said that Garvan was “a Steven Gerrard in the making".

[Stuttgart88]

I was wondering why Magilton hadn't taken a look at him, as he performed well for him. was there a personality clash at one stage?

The other potential suitors aren't exactly exhilerating.

[Paddy Garcia]

You have obviously never visited Scunthorpe.

[tetsujin1979]

Garvan starts today VS Sheffield Wednesday, first time playing for the senior side since 22 August!

He scored midweek in a 3-1 win over Luton reserves
from http://www.itfc.co.uk/page/Reserves/0,,10272~1878131,00.html

Garvan completed the scoring with a fantastic strike 10 minutes from time, lashing in a 20 yarder following a corner
Keane had this to say about it in the build up to today's game (from http://www.itfc.co.uk/page/Preview/0,,10272~1881080,00.html )

Owen Garvan did well for the reserves in midweek and he comes into my thinking

[irishultra]

I think aspirations of Garvan being a great hope for Ireland have been shown up but there is no reason that he won't be a glenn whelan player who will eventually find his way into the team when he's 24-25

[drummerboy]

I think aspirations of Garvan being a great hope for Ireland have been shown up but there is no reason that he won't be a glenn whelan player who will eventually find his way into the team when he's 24-25

I think you are writing him off a bit too early. He is an Under 21 player and has lots more time to develop into a top class player

[OwlsFan]

Match was on Sky tonight. He did ok and wasn't subbed but he was no better than O'Connor or Potter.

Delaney played centre half for Ipswich and handled the ball in the penalty area :eek: No penalty given. Let no one mention handball to me for the next week!! 0-0 draw. I was wondering if Ipswich won would Keane say, if Wednesday were Irish they'd be looking for a replay :mad:

Two poors sides to be honest and Ipswich have no teeth. First Owls' clean sheet in a while.

[macdermesser]

http://www.lowestoftjournal.co.uk/content/lowestoftjournal/sport/story.aspx?brand=LOWOnline&category=SPORT&tBrand=lowonline&tCategory=sport&itemid=NOED25%20Nov%202009%2009%3A30%3A42%3A387

Hopefully he puts his head down now and nails a starting place there.

[Carrigaline]

I've been a critic of Garvan but I watched him against Cardiff today and it looks like that spell in the reserves has really shook him up. Assisted two goals today and was man of the match in my opinion.

[Razors left peg]

I've been a critic of Garvan but I watched him against Cardiff today and it looks like that spell in the reserves has really shook him up. Assisted two goals today and was man of the match in my opinion.

Great news. Maybe because he got first team football so early in his career he became complacent and needed the kick in the arse.
I still cant forget seeing him against England under 21s and he was head and shoulders better than Tom Huddlestone and Mark Noble.

[geysir]

Maybe he shouldn't have been dropped from the first team squad in the first place.

[irishfan86]

Absolutely Geysir. I think Garvan's dropping had a whole lot more to do with Keane than it had to do with Garvan.

[Razors left peg]

Think someone posted on this thread earlier that Ipswich fans that he had been talking too werent at all upset that Garvan had been dropped because he had been playing poorly.

[geysir]

And some Ipswich fans thought that Garvan's demotion was undeserved.

[Razors left peg]

And some Ipswich fans thought that Garvan's demotion was undeserved.

the fact that they were not all screaming for him to be back in the team though might show that he wasnt exactly playing fantastic... I dont know though because I wasnt watching him regularly, Im just guessing

[geysir]

At the time it read like the whole team, apart from Bruce, were poor.

And now that Garvan is back, playing well and Ipswich win, could well be solid proof that he should never have been ditched :)

[Razors left peg]

At the time it read like the whole team, apart from Bruce, were poor.

And now that Garvan is back, playing well and Ipswich win, could well be solid proof that he should never have been ditched :)

But they were brutal early in the season and in preseason when he was in the team so that was all Garvans fault too :)

[Ozymandias]

At the time it read like the whole team, apart from Bruce, were poor.

And now that Garvan is back, playing well and Ipswich win, could well be solid proof that he should never have been ditched :)

could be seen that he was underperforming and this was the kick up the arse he needed.....I met Ipswich fans after the reading game and they all said he had potential but said he wasn't putting in the effort to get back in the side and that he needed to step up to the plate....

[geysir]

Could be seen in a lot of ways to fit many theories.
He was just one of many from the team performing poorly and the team did not perform any better when he was dropped (hoof ball - quality deficit). As Garvan looked more than decent enough in the u21 game against the Swiss, the kick up the ass theory doesn't press all the buttons.

[Stuttgart88]

I saw him come on as sub in their first came against Coventry and he was a cut above every other Ipswich player, getting on the ball all the time and passing it impeccably except for one time where he received a throw in and knocked it into touch by accident. His form wasn't poor then.