Owen Garvan

[tetsujin1979]

Garvan was linked with Everton a few times before, and Moyes has a history of buying from the Championship, and the club has money to spend after selling Lescott.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Garvan was linked with Everton a few times before, and Moyes has a history of buying from the Championship, and the club has money to spend after selling Lescott.

Would love to see it but reckon it'll be a Championship club, he's not getting the interest he was and is essentially being shown the door by a club at the bottom of that league. Someone needs to take a punt, the fact that Keane seems to be making it obvious he's surplus to requirements is going to drop any fee anyway. Magilton at QPR would take a punt I reckon, there was one issue between them previously but that was sorted out.

Said in the indo today that Keane wants him to be more agressive and in people's faces, not really Owen's game....

[kennedmc]

Said in the indo today that Keane wants him to be more agressive and in people's faces, not really Owen's game....

What does that really mean? If you are not an aggressive / in your face kind of player that doesn't actually mean you are not afraid to get stuck into a tackle.
THe idea of a player acting agressive for the sake of it says it all about Keane managerial ability.

Keane's beginning to shape up like a really bad version of Greame Sounsess!

Look at central midfielders players like Alonso and Pirlo (in his prime) - wouldn't call either aggressive. If they were at Ipswich Keane would have probably let them go on a free to Barnet by now :rolleyes:

[Stuttgart88]

Garvan was linked with Everton a few times before, and Moyes has a history of buying from the Championship, and the club has money to spend after selling Lescott.
They just spent £10 million on a Russian winger though.

[youngirish]

Would love to see it but reckon it'll be a Championship club, he's not getting the interest he was and is essentially being shown the door by a club at the bottom of that league. Someone needs to take a punt, the fact that Keane seems to be making it obvious he's surplus to requirements is going to drop any fee anyway. Magilton at QPR would take a punt I reckon, there was one issue between them previously but that was sorted out.

Said in the indo today that Keane wants him to be more agressive and in people's faces, not really Owen's game....

Possibly one of the managers in the Premiership with recent experience in the Championship and limited funds might take a punt on him - Martinez, Coyle, Pulis or McCarthy for instance. I'd say he'll end up at another Championship club myself which could possibly be a good thing and may help to reinvigorate his career. Once he doesn't drop to league 1 any move will probably be a good one. Ipswich are going nowhere under Keane. A more clueless yet at the same time arrogant manager I've yet to see. Some of his transfer dealings this summer have been laughably bad.

Garvan's transfer listed according to the tabloids today anyway so he has a week to seal a move somewhere.

[Carrigaline]

Whatever few marbles that Keane had left from his Sunderland days are gone. It's simply madness to sack three first team player after only 3 games into the season with only 6 days left in the transfer window. As for Garvan, given his lousy start to the season, I wouldn't be holding out for a Premier League move.

[jbyrne]

hate to say it but maybe garvan just isnt as good as people wanted him to be. we've been here so many times before.

rumours of moves to bigger clubs are just rumours. have a look at the bbc sport website and you will see daily lists of transfer rumours. how many of them actually end up happening?

sorry lads, but if he's not getting serious interest from bigger clubs by now he wont

[EalingGreen]

Just on Keane and young players, he sold young striker Jordan Rhodes to Huddersfield, much to the chagrin of the Ipswich fans. He's scored 5 goals for Town in a week, albeit at a lower level, and seems like a class act.

A change of scenery seems like the best option for Garvan. I think most of us here were expecting him to be entering his second or third season as Everton's left-midfielder at this stage...
Andy Scott, who knows the lower Leagues intimately, and is shaping up to be an outstanding manager, signed Rhodes on loan for Brentford last season.
Rhodes was an immediate hit with the fans and Scott was v.keen to sign him permanently, but was outbid by Huddersfield.
I don't know about handling established international stars etc, but I'd trust Scott's judgement about developing young players over Keane's, every single time.
So by extension, Keane's mishandling/undervaluing of Rhodes would tend to make me sympathise with Garvan (even though I know little about the lad).

[Drumcondra 69er]

Keane's beginning to shape up like a really bad version of Greame Sounsess!



The new Brian Robson for me! Initial sucess at Championship level fades when players realise the emperor has, in fact, no new clothes at all.

[EalingGreen]

Magilton at QPR would take a punt I reckon, there was one issue between them previously but that was sorted out.
I v.strongly suspect that Magilton has no say whatever in who comes into or departs Loftus Road. (In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even have the final say over team selection on Saturdays! :eek:).
Club owner Fabio Briatore is notoriously "hands on" at QPR, trusting his "Lieutenant" Gianni Paliadini (a former Agent!) to oversee/arrange all transfers in and out of the club.
In any case, even if Magilton could arrange to get Garvan in, I feel the player should be very circumspect about joining QPR on a permanent contract, since Magilton is liable to get sacked before Keane departs Ipswich (imo).

[shakermaker1982]

hate to say it but maybe garvan just isnt as good as people wanted him to be. we've been here so many times before.


I'm in agreement with you. He has been playing in the Championship without setting it alight and posters are linking him with some big teams? He has to prove himself first before one of the big guns come in.

[EalingGreen]

Keane's beginning to shape up like a really bad version of Greame Sounsess!
I still haven't made my mind up on Keane as a manager, but I must say, that could prove to be an extremely perceptive observation!

[gustavo]

Keane seems to overreact a lot when things aren't going his way , I can't see Garvan leaving though and it would be a terribly foolish decision by Keane if he were to let him go.

[eirebhoy]

I always loved this line from the Guardian:

Man of the match Owen Garvan

To score a hat-trick and not be man of the match says something for the man who was. Garvan was the fulcrum of this fantasy football

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/nov/12/match.bristolcity

The ability is there with Garvan.

[Stuttgart88]

Through a mutual friend I met a senior official at a French Ligue 1 club yesterday (10th or 11th last season I think).

Should I email him about Garvan? :)

[youngirish]

hate to say it but maybe garvan just isnt as good as people wanted him to be. we've been here so many times before.

Always a possibility on here but a couple of seasons ago Garvan looked a better player in the Championhsip than Gibson ay Wolves, McCann at Burnley and Whelan and Sheffield Wednesday yet was younger than all 3. I'd say he was probably more likely to flounder than not under two poor managers in Magilton and Keane. Keane in particular has no pedigree at developing young players. Royle seemed to rate him highly beforehand.

The fans on the Ipswich boards are fairly surprised he is going and most seem to believe he is a very good player with huge potential. I would trust their opinions far more than Keane. Keane will now bring in an ageing untalented lump of a journeyman that he knows from his playing days to sit in the midfield, do what they're told and kick people.

[geysir]

How has Garvan played this season when he actually got some time on the pitch?

[Lev Yashin]

Always a possibility on here but a couple of seasons ago Garvan looked a better player in the Championhsip than Gibson ay Wolves, McCann at Burnley and Whelan and Sheffield Wednesday yet was younger than all 3. I'd say he was probably more likely to flounder than not under two poor managers in Magilton and Keane. Keane in particular has no pedigree at developing young players. Royle seemed to rate him highly beforehand.

The fans on the Ipswich boards are fairly surprised he is going and most seem to believe he is a very good player with huge potential. I would trust their opinions far more than Keane. Keane will now bring in an ageing untalented lump of a journeyman that he knows from his playing days to sit in the midfield, do what they're told and kick people.

Graham Kavanagh??? :D

[Stuttgart88]

How has Garvan played this season when he actually got some time on the pitch?

I saw him when he came on as sub against Coventry. Everything went through him. He was always collecting the ball and just playing apparently simple but perfectly weighted passes bringing others in to the game. He had the knack of always being in a place to pick the ball up. A bit lite Gibson, none of his passes was particularly incisive but I've seen some players for whom even passing is a struggle. I noticed he's quick to use his right foot too (one very nice pass in the WBA defeat in the first half). Against Coventry he collected a throw in and mis-hit it back into touch on one occasion.

I didn't see it but I hear he was very careless giving the ball away to WBA from which they nearly scored - Wright made a save?

I hear Quinn nearly scored against WBA so he can't have been that bad.

Losing to Peterborough won't go down well in Suffolk.

[Stuttgart88]

Wolves as a possible destination?

He could either be a cut price or even a loan deal.

[jbyrne]

Wolves as a possible destination?

He could either be a cut price or even a loan deal.

If he's not deemed good enough for a struggling championship side why would a premiership team want him?

[dr_peepee]

Ipswich have agreed a fee with Sunderland for Grant Leadbitter... Another midfielder. Good player too. Not one of those limited but hard working types one might argue is not in direct competition with Garvan... Definately doesn't look well for him now.

Where'd the Wolves thing come from?? Just speculation on your part or d'ye read it anywhere??

[Stuttgart88]

Pure speculation, but considering Mick has been in championship he'd know who the better players are. Likewise Mowbray.

[DeLorean]

Pure speculation, but considering Mick has been in championship he'd know who the better players are. Likewise Mowbray.

McCarthy would love that alright, swoop for Garvan and turn him into a huge Premier League talent while Keane gets slaughtered for letting him go!!

[irishultra]

Through a mutual friend I met a senior official at a French Ligue 1 club yesterday (10th or 11th last season I think).

Should I email him about Garvan? :)

Didn't you meet a 1860 Munich Official before? What is your job? :D

Oh and yes.;)

[SkStu]

Didn't you meet a 1860 Munich Official before? What is your job? :D


ill guess at international man of class and leisure :D

or else a rent boy. :p

[geysir]

McCarthy would love that alright, swoop for Garvan and turn him into a huge Premier League talent while Keane gets slaughtered for letting him go!!
I doubt if Mick give a fiddlers fárt about the travails of Roy.

[macdermesser]

without starting the whole saipan argument again .. *takes deep breath* but those words "you're a crap manager" might come back to haunt Keane. He has a lot of work to do. Magilton had the same team just off the play-off spots last season.

Getting back on thread, this is really a make or break season for Garvan .. if Keane doesn't fancy him hopefully he will quickly get a chance somewhere else to prove his worth. Time to start delivering on the potential

[rebelmusic]

I have it from a very very reliable source that keane has a very strong dislike of garvan and that he has already pretty much lost the dressing room

No wonder he's signing 4 sunderland players (Leadbitter, Edwards, Nosworthy and Murphy)

[drummerboy]

Garvan will come good. He just needs to be playing in a team that believe in passing the ball. Getting rid of him will come back to haunt Keane.

[smasher]

McCarthy would love that alright, swoop for Garvan and turn him into a huge Premier League talent while Keane gets slaughtered for letting him go!!

Keane will also be heavily criticized for leaving Jonathan Rhodes out on loan to Huddersfield. He scored again last night. Portman Rd fans had this guy marked for great things until ' the great Keano' comes along. One of his first managerial acts is to let him go!

[tetsujin1979]

A reporter from Ipswich was interviewed on Off The Ball on tuesday night, he mentioned Rhodes as one of the reasons why the fans have not taken Keane to heart yet

[geysir]

Looks like Roy's radar for selecting new players that he can use, is very limited.
It's okay in a firefight emergency to drag in a few knowns but at this stage of his time at Ipswich it looks to be managerial ineptness.

[shakermaker1982]

Looks like Roy's radar for selecting new players that he can use, is very limited.
It's okay in a firefight emergency to drag in a few knowns but at this stage of his time at Ipswich it looks to be managerial ineptness.

He tried the other option with Sunderland last season and look what happened. Cisse, Diouf, Tainio and Malbranque (good player to be fair) etc......I can see why he is resorting to bringing in players he can trust after such a poor start. Until he sets up a proper scouting network he will be relying on those players who have previously played for him.

[co. down green]

According to this

http://www.burnley.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=167968

Burnley have had a £1 million bid accepted for Ipswich Town 21 year old midfielder Owen Garvan according to national and local Suffolk media sources today.

[irishfan86]

According to this

http://www.burnley.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=167968

Burnley have had a £1 million bid accepted for Ipswich Town 21 year old midfielder Owen Garvan according to national and local Suffolk media sources today.

This would be pure awesome.

[paul_oshea]

That would be class.

Owen must be a real talent spotter.....

....Would love to go out on the town with him some night :D

Seriouslly though he must be. There is obviouslly something he sees in him(the few times he has seen him?!), I wonder though where would he play him and would he be a bit part player? Does 1mil not seem like a lot of money for someone who has come through the academy and has never aroused interest from other PL clubs?!

[irishfan86]

That would be class.

Owen must be a real talent spotter.....

....Would love to go out on the town with him some night :D

Seriouslly though he must be. There is obviouslly something he sees in him(the few times he has seen him?!), I wonder though where would he play him and would he be a bit part player? Does 1mil not seem like a lot of money for someone who has come through the academy and has never aroused interest from other PL clubs?!

He's been linked to other Prem clubs in the past, including the likes of Everton IIRC, so it's not as if he's a total unknown.

1 mil seems a bargain in my view, especially when you consider how much a promising young Brazilian or Englishman would cost.

[tetsujin1979]

Would be a fantastic move, if it passes. Exposure in the Premier League, in a side playing attractive football. Could be the making of him

[drummerboy]

This would be a great move. Garvan played all his schoolboy football with Chris McCann. Interestingly Coyle also tried to sign another ex Home Farm teammate Darren O'Dea last season.

[Stuttgart88]

Garvan & McCann together would be interesting all right, and under a really impressive manager. I think both are left-footed though so one or the other may have to take a less-favoured position.

[EalingGreen]

According to this

http://www.burnley.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=167968

Burnley have had a £1 million bid accepted for Ipswich Town 21 year old midfielder Owen Garvan according to national and local Suffolk media sources today.
That could be a very clever move by Coyle.

For if Garvan makes the grade in the EPL and helps Burnley stay up, then he'll have been a "steal".
However, if he isn't up to EPL standard, but Burnley do stay up, then next season's TV money etc will make the cost of the gamble on Garvan easily bearable for them.
And even if Burnley should get relegated, then Coyle will still have a player on (presumably) reasonable wages who didn't cost a huge amount, but whom he knows should do a good job in trying to get them back up out of the Championship again.

Kinda similar to some of the signings being made by Mick McCarthy at Wolves, I'd say?

[EalingGreen]

Garvan & McCann together would be interesting all right, and under a really impressive manager. I think both are left-footed though so one or the other may have to take a less-favoured position.
Why should predominantly left-sided midfielders have to move from their preferred position in Centre-Midfield, when we don't ask predominantly right-footed midfielders to do so?
No-one ever told Bryan Robson he should play out on the left, for instance, yet afaik he is left-footed.

If both McCann and Garvan are good enough to play in Centre Midfield, then both should do so, irrespective of whether they are right or left footed - esp in the 4-5-1 formation often deployed by Coyle.

[Stuttgart88]

Why should predominantly left-sided midfielders have to move from their preferred position in Centre-Midfield, when we don't ask predominantly right-footed midfielders to do so?I asked my self the same thing when I was writing it. I suppose it's just because very often left-footed players are played on the left in the absence of a genuine wide player. I think McCann is currently played on the left - if newspaper lineups are anything to go by.

But you're right, 2 left footers should be treated same as 2 right footers.

[DeLorean]

But you're right, 2 left footers should be treated same as 2 right footers.

For some reason, and this isn't gospel, left footed players generally seem to be much weaker on their right than right footed players on their left.

[youngirish]

Just browsing some messageboards. It looks like this rumour has some legs in it. Would be a great move. Three young Irish central midfielders playing in the Premiership - McCarthy, McCann and Garvan. Who said we had a problem in that position? Keane will destroy his career if he stays at Ipswich. Hopefully he proves good enough for the Premiership McCarthy seems some way off from that level thus far but at only 18 he has plenty of time so I won't be too harsh on him yet.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Just browsing some messageboards. It looks like this rumour has some legs in it. Would be a great move. Three young Irish central midfielders playing in the Premiership - McCarthy, McCann and Garvan. Who said we had a problem in taht position? Keane will destroy his career if he stays at Ipswich.Hopefully he proves good enough for the Premiership McCarthy is some way off from that level thus far but at only 18 he has plenty of time so I won't be too harsh on him yet.

Ipswich have turned down a bid for an unamed player according to their OS. Would love to see this come off but not sure if there's much in it at this stage.

[youngirish]

Ipswich have turned down a bid for an unamed player according to their OS. Would love to see this come off but not sure if there's much in it at this stage.

Surely if 1 million was offered it should be enough for Keane for a player he's not even going to have in his first team this year? Doncaster are also looking at Jon Stead so the bid could have been for him. We'll wait and see anyway hopefully Garvan gets out of Ipswich in the next few days. Anywhere in the Championship would be a good move for him at this moment in time.

[Wolfie]

If this speculation actually relates to Garvan and is true - McCan could have Coyle's ear on this, so to speak.

Within McCan vouching for his old Home Farm team-mate - Burnley could be back with another bid.

[EalingGreen]

I asked my self the same thing when I was writing it. I suppose it's just because very often left-footed players are played on the left in the absence of a genuine wide player. I think McCann is currently played on the left - if newspaper lineups are anything to go by.

But you're right, 2 left footers should be treated same as 2 right footers.True, even despite the fact that the "correct" solution should be to go out and recruit a genuinely left wide player instead.

Of course, there are few left footers around than right footers, but it never ceases to amaze me how coaches of youngsters fail to require players to become two-footed.

The second-best* "two-footed" player I've ever seen was David Ginola. He tended to be played on the left, but was equally at home on the right. Apparently he was very right-footed as a kid, but when he joined his first senior club, they had a right winger who was firmly established in that position, so Ginola was advised to practise his left.
I've no idea how much work he had to put in, but he was as good down the left as any other winger I've ever seen, so it can be done.

* - The best "two-footed" player I've ever seen was Glenn Hoddle. I'm not sure if even he knows whether he's right or left-footed, since he's kicked with both as far back as he can remember. Afaik, he writes with his left hand, but that does NOT mean he must automatically be left-footed, as I know from personal experience!

Late Edit: Thinking about it, George Best might actually have been the best (sorry) two-footed player I've ever seen. I remember once reading that to amuse himself, he once set out playing a game determined only to touch the ball with his left foot. According to the story, he actually got through the entire first half, before forgetting himself when someone passed him the ball at the beginning of the second half! (That said, knowing George, there might have been some "poetic licence" in that yarn)