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irishultra
04/08/2009, 1:49 PM
moving to birmingham city, how do you reckon he'll get on? i don't see him making the first team if im honest, imagine fahey and o'shea in the same midfield.:eek: :D
if o'shea does break in, then mcgeady(and duff) have to feel their places are under threat. o'shea performing in premierleague(IF HE DOES) is far superior to mcgeady in SPL or duff in division 1.
if o'shea does break in, then mcgeady(and duff) have to feel their places are under threat. o'shea performing in premierleague(IF HE DOES) is far superior to mcgeady in SPL or duff in division 1.
I think you might be getting slightly ahead of yourself there, lets wait and see. I personally think there have been alot of superior players who have gone across in the past and havent made it. He'll find it tough breaking into the first team, particularly as they are not in the PL but lets just wait and see. Cant see McGeady or Duff being too concerned just yet. Lets revisit in 12 months, i wish him all the best and hope he has similar success as Kevin Doyle as opposed to say Dave Mooney, Jason Byrne etc etc
centre mid
04/08/2009, 2:06 PM
Birmingham are in the premier league? But your right, he hasnt even agreed personal terms yet. There are better players still at Galway Utd.
Claret Murph
04/08/2009, 2:25 PM
I am in the camp of that Jay should have gone to a championship club , like what has been said he will find it hard to get into the first team , but I think he will find more space on the wing than playing in the LOI .
All the best Jay and thanks for everything .
harry crumb
04/08/2009, 2:34 PM
I think you might be getting slightly ahead of yourself there, lets wait and see. I personally think there have been alot of superior players who have gone across in the past and havent made it. He'll find it tough breaking into the first team, particularly as they are not in the PL but lets just wait and see. Cant see McGeady or Duff being too concerned just yet. Lets revisit in 12 months, i wish him all the best and hope he has similar success as Kevin Doyle as opposed to say Dave Mooney, Jason Byrne etc etc
Dave Mooney has done very well since he went over to England.
Dave Mooney has done very well since he went over to England.
3 goals in 9 games in the championship. Pretty good record considering he was injured vast majority of season
Longfordian
04/08/2009, 3:00 PM
Seems to have been featuring a bit in Reading's pre-season games though in a few games he seems to have been in midfield strangely enough. Came on as sub against Chelsea. Hopefully he gets more of a look in under the new manager than he did under Coppell. He has all the ability.
LFC-Zulu
04/08/2009, 4:22 PM
As a Birmingham fan myself, I question the move, I think he's one of the most overrated players in the league to be perfectly honest.
3 goals in 9 games in the championship. Pretty good record considering he was injured vast majority of season
Fair enough didnt realise he was injured, my point more so was to do with the fact he was loaned out. With Doyle and Lita now gone from Reading there may well be more opportunity for him in the coming season.
back of the net
04/08/2009, 6:15 PM
if o'shea does break in, then mcgeady(and duff) have to feel their places are under threat.
if o'shea does break into the first team(which i doubt) , what timeframe do you think it will be before duff/mcgeady feel their places are under threat?
irishfan86
04/08/2009, 6:34 PM
if o'shea does break into the first team(which i doubt) , what timeframe do you think it will be before duff/mcgeady feel their places are under threat?
Well, first off I think Hunt's name needs to be thrown into the mix, considering he started over McGeady in our last competitive match, and did very well.
Second, I hope Jay O'Shea gives us another option that is even better than Damien Duff and Aiden McGeady combined, but until he proves that he can play with the best of them, he's just another young player who has everything to prove.
Duff has been one of our best performers over the last few campaigns, and has won leagues, and competed in the Champions' League.
McGeady has won leagues in Scotland, and competed in the Champions' League with some fantastic performances.
When a quality young player emerges, nobody is safe (assuming the manager has the courage to trust youth), so if he's good enough he still has a chance to squeeze in for the World Cup if he has a cracking debut season with Birmingham.
Let's hope he does well enough to give Trap something to think about, but at age 20 he still has plenty of time yet.
tetsujin1979
04/08/2009, 7:09 PM
If he's able to prove himself in the premier league, then surely it's Keogh's position as 4th choice winger, or 2nd choice right winger, that's under threat?
back of the net
04/08/2009, 8:01 PM
Well, first off I think Hunt's name needs to be thrown into the mix, considering he started over McGeady in our last competitive match, and did very well.
Second, I hope Jay O'Shea gives us another option that is even better than Damien Duff and Aiden McGeady combined, but until he proves that he can play with the best of them, he's just another young player who has everything to prove.
Duff has been one of our best performers over the last few campaigns, and has won leagues, and competed in the Champions' League.
McGeady has won leagues in Scotland, and competed in the Champions' League with some fantastic performances.
When a quality young player emerges, nobody is safe (assuming the manager has the courage to trust youth), so if he's good enough he still has a chance to squeeze in for the World Cup if he has a cracking debut season with Birmingham.
Let's hope he does well enough to give Trap something to think about, but at age 20 he still has plenty of time yet.
would agree with ur comments irishfan
the more options we have the better and i hope he can make it at birmingham.
But he has an lot to do yet before he can start making duff/mcgeady/hunt/keogh worry and for that to happen it will take time
but as u say - time is on his side
eirebhoy
04/08/2009, 8:12 PM
He was excellent against Spain u21 a few months ago from what I remember. Particularly his skill for the 2nd goal:
http://www.soccerclips.net/videos/republic-of-ireland-u21-2-0-spain-u21-judge
He scored the first.
irishultra
04/08/2009, 8:18 PM
If he's able to prove himself in the premier league, then surely it's Keogh's position as 4th choice winger, or 2nd choice right winger, that's under threat?
mcgeady can't languish in spl forever. same rules must apply to mcgeady as to fahey/murphy/o'shea, so don't see why it should be any different for a guy that has never really sparked for ireland at international level.
he's given a bit of compensation fairly because celtic have been playing champions league in recent years and also are a different entity to the SPL in general but he has to step it up. if o'shea was to break into their team and play extremely well then mcgeadys place should definetly be in question.
Fair enough didnt realise he was injured, my point more so was to do with the fact he was loaned out. With Doyle and Lita now gone from Reading there may well be more opportunity for him in the coming season.
There have been quotes from Reading coaches saying Mooney is the best finisher at the club. I think he just lacks that yard of pace that would make all the difference for him though.
On O Shea, I dont think he's good enough for the premiership, but he's young. Best of luck to him
irishultra
04/08/2009, 8:24 PM
thats my opinion as well. he's a bit overrated imo, but maby he could flourish over there.
GuisaSaigon
04/08/2009, 9:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgbtNIL17Hc
He didn't really get going until the 2nd half of last season when he was given more of a free role up front. Unfortunately for us he played most of this season on the right wing. Don't get me wrong he's not bad there but his best games have been when he's played up front.
He definitely has the ability to play at the highest level, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him pushing for an Ireland place in a couple of years.
pixiehead
04/08/2009, 9:53 PM
He was excellent against Spain u21 a few months ago from what I remember. Particularly his skill for the 2nd goal:
http://www.soccerclips.net/videos/republic-of-ireland-u21-2-0-spain-u21-judge
He scored the first.
Where was that game eire ? :confused:
GuisaSaigon
04/08/2009, 9:54 PM
Where was that game eire ? :confused:
Waterford RSC
eamo1
04/08/2009, 10:11 PM
O'Shea has been poor some matches this season.It could be that he was just saving himself etc but he is such a lazy player.Doesnt track back,doesnt tackle and pulls out of tackles and wont jump for a ball either.ALL of those traits mean he will not make it in the P.L IMO.That said if he starts doing all of those now that he is in the P.L then he could be some player.I remember watching the likes of Long and Hunt for Waterford Utd and being very surprised they moved over and made it but now i can see they do have class.O'Shea COULD be the same.Best of luck to him.
Ordinary Fan
04/08/2009, 10:14 PM
I like O'Shea, skillful and not afraid to have a go, but I think Birmingham will struggle this season and he will find it hard to get a game. I wish him the best of luck.
abbeyvale
04/08/2009, 11:25 PM
Waterford RSC
Guys where did O'Shea play his football before Galway???
irishfan86
04/08/2009, 11:35 PM
Guys where did O'Shea play his football before Galway???
Bray Wanderers.
Claret Murph
05/08/2009, 9:27 AM
Bray Wanderers.
Hummm I hear they throw a great Christmas party there ;)
Big Chief
05/08/2009, 9:54 AM
I would have to agree with several of the posters here who feel O'Shea will struggle to make an impact in the English Premiership. I have only watched him in the flesh at Finn Park a few times and, certainly in Galway's most recent visit in the Cup, I thought their left winger (Derek O'Brien?) was much more impressive before being forced off with injury after only half an hour.
Nevertheless I hope I'm proved wrong. What sort of money are Galway picking up for this? Is there any form of sell on clause in the deal?
livehead1
05/08/2009, 10:15 AM
O'Shea has been poor some matches this season.It could be that he was just saving himself etc but he is such a lazy player.Doesnt track back,doesnt tackle and pulls out of tackles and wont jump for a ball either.ALL of those traits mean he will not make it in the P.L IMO.That said if he starts doing all of those now that he is in the P.L then he could be some player.I remember watching the likes of Long and Hunt for Waterford Utd and being very surprised they moved over and made it but now i can see they do have class.O'Shea COULD be the same.Best of luck to him.
I don't know much about him aside from watching a couple of games for the U'21s but if that is the case then a season on loan in the Eng Champ may do him the world of good as if he can flourish in that league then he perhaps has a chance.
SunderlandBohs
05/08/2009, 11:43 AM
Let's not get excited just yet. Does anyone remember Roy O'Donovan? Only got one goal in the SPL and didn't set Blackpool fans hearts racing. Didn't even score!
O'Shea's is a good player with a bright future but to say Duff and McGeady's places are under threat is jumping the gun.
Closed Account
05/08/2009, 11:55 AM
Let's not get excited just yet. Does anyone remember Roy O'Donovan? Only got one goal in the SPL and didn't set Blackpool fans hearts racing. Didn't even score!
O'Shea's is a good player with a bright future but to say Duff and McGeady's places are under threat is jumping the gun.
He has to do better than Dicker and Kavanagh before we even compare him to O'Donovan. Best of luck to him though.
dr_peepee
05/08/2009, 12:01 PM
I know nothing of Jay O'shea. But for those that feel he didn't set the world on fire in LOI I always feel there's a kind of player that I can only identify in hindsight but those with a keener eye for the game such as a scout might spot. It's the player that performs to a certain standard at a particular level in Football, but has the ability to carry that exact standard of performance to a higher level. This is opposed to the person who excels at a lower level but who's ability is constrained the further they go up.
Hopefully that is the case here...
Ceirtlis
05/08/2009, 12:38 PM
He has some of the things that are needed to be a good player, he is quick and very good on the ball. I wasnt that impressed with his attitude in some of the matches I saw him with Galway United this season though, as it looked like he thought he was too good to be here. He probably knew a move was on so was saving himself, so he should be in the right frame of mind to make it at an English club.
To be honest I would rate his chances of being a permanent fixture in the Ireland squad at about 80/20 against, it will depend on the coaching and experience he gets, he could do with being loaned out to the championship or league one club this season.
Stuttgart88
05/08/2009, 9:48 PM
I know nothing of Jay O'shea. But for those that feel he didn't set the world on fire in LOI I always feel there's a kind of player that I can only identify in hindsight but those with a keener eye for the game such as a scout might spot. It's the player that performs to a certain standard at a particular level in Football, but has the ability to carry that exact standard of performance to a higher level. This is opposed to the person who excels at a lower level but who's ability is constrained the further they go up.
Hopefully that is the case here...Only thing I'd add to that is "such as a good scout might spot".
Sometimes I wonder how some scouts earn a living.
eirebhoy
05/08/2009, 9:53 PM
Sometimes I wonder how some scouts earn a living.
Lou Macari. And he was a manager. Jesus.
Razors left peg
06/08/2009, 12:11 PM
Lou Macari. And he was a manager. Jesus.
There is no other pundit that knows so little about football,its beyond me how anyone employed him in any capacity at a football club
superfrank
06/08/2009, 12:24 PM
Hummm I hear they throw a great Christmas party there ;)
:D
Was he full-time at Galway?
I think if he was, then that step up could be what made him shine. To be fair, he did show some good stuff for us but he was only ever a sub at best. He wasn't holding down a first team place and there were other players around his age (Gary McCabe) who impressed more than he did.
bennocelt
06/08/2009, 12:48 PM
I like Jayo, and hope he makes it across the water
Heard that Galway got 80,000 for him, I think (if thats true) thats shocking, Birmingham surely could have been strung along to pay up a bit more?
superfrank
06/08/2009, 1:00 PM
Heard that Galway got 80,000 for him, I think (if thats true) thats shocking, Birmingham surely could have been strung along to pay up a bit more?
Well, there's a difference between what Birmingham piad and what Galway got as money from the transfer would also go to us, his other previous clubs and agents, no doubt.
Besides, Galway aren't in the best shape financially and I'm sure they would be happy just to take what they can get.
It makes sense for Birmingham to pay however much they did. If they knew they could have him for, hypothetically, €100k, then why would they pay more? They have no obligation to.
sadloserkid
06/08/2009, 1:06 PM
O'Shea has been poor some matches this season.It could be that he was just saving himself etc but he is such a lazy player.Doesnt track back,doesnt tackle and pulls out of tackles and wont jump for a ball either.ALL of those traits mean he will not make it in the P.L IMO.
Most of those comments could apply to Ronaldo too. Didn't really hold him back. I do not think that Jay O'Shea will be the next Ronaldo. :)
Let's not get excited just yet. Does anyone remember Roy O'Donovan? Only got one goal in the SPL and didn't set Blackpool fans hearts racing. Didn't even score!
O'Shea's is a good player with a bright future but to say Duff and McGeady's places are under threat is jumping the gun.
The above is all pretty much nail on head. That said when Kevin Doyle went over I'm not sure many were predicting he'd do as well as he has.
ger121
06/08/2009, 4:41 PM
I like Jayo, and hope he makes it across the water
Heard that Galway got 80,000 for him, I think (if thats true) thats shocking, Birmingham surely could have been strung along to pay up a bit more?
I had a feeling when I heard "agreed a fee" and there was very little talk on here or in the papers about the amount, that it was most likely less than 6 figures.Terrible:mad:
DmanDmythDledge
06/08/2009, 4:43 PM
I had a feeling when I heard "agreed a fee" and there was very little talk on here or in the papers about the amount, that it was most likely less than 6 figures.Terrible:mad:
6 figure sum plus add ons was in one the Galway papers.
bennocelt
06/08/2009, 8:08 PM
Well, there's a difference between what Birmingham piad and what Galway got as money from the transfer would also go to us, his other previous clubs and agents, no doubt.
Besides, Galway aren't in the best shape financially and I'm sure they would be happy just to take what they can get.
It makes sense for Birmingham to pay however much they did. If they knew they could have him for, hypothetically, €100k, then why would they pay more? They have no obligation to.
I was looking at it from Galway's viewpoint!!
limunlim
08/08/2009, 11:23 PM
does anyone know how much he went for?
Razors left peg
09/08/2009, 9:45 AM
does anyone know how much he went for?
about 80 thousand
Claret Murph
09/08/2009, 10:19 AM
about 80 thousand
Still nothing in writing yet , so why the hold up ??????
Please don't say his agent wants more money :confused::confused::confused:
Razors left peg
09/08/2009, 10:37 AM
Still nothing in writing yet , so why the hold up ??????
Please don't say his agent wants more money :confused::confused::confused:
No idea, maybe Jay himself is waiting for other clubs to make firm offers so he has more of a chance of 1st team football... but Im only guessing
Razors left peg
10/08/2009, 4:49 PM
The move to Birmingham finally being confirmed...
http://www.bcfc.com/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10412~1749761,00.html
tricky_colour
10/08/2009, 11:41 PM
BBC link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/8183698.stm
Hibernian
11/08/2009, 12:55 PM
Best of luck to him..
Have to say though if the 80,000 fee is correct thats seems very little for team to be selling him for to team of premership quality
JC_GUFC
16/08/2009, 1:43 PM
On the bench in Old Trafford today.
Birmingham have a few injuries but still a brilliant achievement for him. A year and a half ago he was on the bench for Galway United :eek:
Razors left peg
16/08/2009, 2:14 PM
On the bench in Old Trafford today.
Birmingham have a few injuries but still a brilliant achievement for him. A year and a half ago he was on the bench for Galway United :eek:
And comes off bench for his debut. Fairytale stuff for him
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