Owen Coyle

[Claret Murph]

Will do. I'm looking forward to a shoot-out between Paterson and Ward in the play-off final. Burnley to win 2-1.

Jeeezzzz I hope you are right , but I would say for Burnley to win Robbie Blake has to be on form :) but we will see got my tickets on Friday and all set to fly out on Sunday . I am all relaxed at the moment but all this could change come the day . OC will have everything under control just you watch .:)

[Gather round]

I have a job I need to be doing

Good, go and do it and stop talking nonsense on the internet.


Jeeezzzz I hope you are right , but I would say for Burnley to win Robbie Blake has to be on form :) but we will see got my tickets on Friday and all set to fly out on Sunday . I am all relaxed at the moment but all this could change come the day . OC will have everything under control just you watch .:)

Blake's had a real Indian summer this year, as has Graeme Alexander- they must be knackered after all the cup games. Good luck- I remember being at the assoc members cup back in 1987 or 1988 against Wolves, the Burnley support was huge.

[paul_oshea]

I just do not see the point of somebody being a member of a forum of their rival I would never join an English forum or a Shamrock Rovers forum. Especially when it leads to threads like these being hi-jacked and ruined.

i disagree completely, you are saying you want to live in a bubble. i think its great to get outside opinions

[paul_oshea]

Except that the NI/ROI case is not like that of eg Shams and Bohs.

For one thing, Shams don't want to "take over" the Bohs, nor do they wish to "poach" Bohs' players from under their nose.

Sure, I'm touchy when it comes to defending my team. But tbh, there's not a hell of a sight to be gained by my defending them on an NI forum, where everyone else is pretty much agreed.

Far better, imo, to try to disabuse the fans of the team which threatens us, to one degree or another, of some of the misconceptions and myths which some of them (ROI fans) seem to hold about us.

I am 100% sure they would if the could poach their better players. Its club football after all.

EG, I enjoy your posts, even though they are awash with negative sentiment and inverted snobbery(maybe even vitriol) towards the Republic Of Ireland, but I think outside debate should always be welcomed.

[paul_oshea]

I agree, however, a little impartiality every now and then doesn't go amiss instead of the NI against the ROI attitude that prevails in many of your posts imo.

Those two posts must be the ultimate paradox or else serious irony. :D

Its in line with the person from Hull and the person from Middlesboro fighting over who is from the better sh1thole! :D

[Wolfie]

Our respective associations could just organise a "friendly" and let the teams to the talking on the pitch.

Just a thought.

[paul_oshea]

oh ya, btw lads, just to keep on topic of being off-topic, which is correct, It was not I or it wasn't me? It was he is correct isn't it?

[Den Perry]

Good, go and do it and stop talking nonsense on the internet.



Blake's had a real Indian summer this year, as has Graeme Alexander- they must be knackered after all the cup games. Good luck- I remember being at the assoc members cup back in 1987 or 1988 against Wolves, the Burnley support was huge.


I thought Gustavo politely asked you to stop b itching.It appears you are unable to do so...

[Drumcondra 69er]

Up to a point. I don't post that often- 800 over six years. Why would it be a problem even if I posted ten times that?



Had to do a quick double take when I saw that number and word put together there! :D

No offence meant by the way, I just thought it was funny so am posting with tounge firmly in cheek!

[Gather round]

Had to do a quick double take when I saw that number and word put together there! :D

No offence meant by the way, I just thought it was funny so am posting with tounge firmly in cheek!


None taken ;)

Den: I think Gustavo asked all of us to stay on topic.

[Den Perry]

Had to do a quick double take when I saw that number and word put together there! :D

No offence meant by the way, I just thought it was funny so am posting with tounge firmly in cheek!

ROFL...Great spot 69er

[youngirish]

Had to do a quick double take when I saw that number and word put together there! :D

No offence meant by the way, I just thought it was funny so am posting with tounge firmly in cheek!

That number is all the more baffling when his profile states he only has 350 posts.

We'll give him the benefit of the doubt though as possibly he has another 450 on his other account.

[Gather round]

That number is all the more baffling when his profile states he only has 350 posts.

We'll give him the benefit of the doubt though as possibly he has another 450 on his other account

Thanks for that, although there shouldn't be any doubt nor bafflement- as I mentioned above (in direct answer to you, actually), I had a previous account, opened in 2003. When there were rather fewer NI supporting posters, but just as many threads going off on the same tangent as this one.

[elroy]

II think outside debate should always be welcomed.

I wholeheartedly agree. I dont often agree with what EG, GR et al post, but their different perspective is respected and welcomed imo. Plus some people get awful worked up on this site if a thread doesnt stick wholeheartedly to the narrow remit of the title thread.

[Wangball]

If everyone on here had the same opinion it would be boring, I personally welcome the views of our peers from the occupied 6!!!!

[geysir]

EG "different perspective"?
:D
I'm tempted,
but I'll just tighten the chain an extra notch.

In common with Trap, I see Owen insists on his players having a positive attitude around the place, maybe that's one of the good reasons he couldn't wait to cash in on Lafferty.

[philliyk]

Jeeezzzz I hope you are right , but I would say for Burnley to win Robbie Blake has to be on form :) but we will see got my tickets on Friday and all set to fly out on Sunday . I am all relaxed at the moment but all this could change come the day . OC will have everything under control just you watch .:)

As seemingly the only Blade on here(only just seen the thread) I think a bit of defending the old team is called for.

My view is much like ourselves 6 years ago all them cup matches are gonna catch up with & correct me if i'm wrong Burnley don't have a big squad(22-23??) so unless they score a few early it will be a tight game(as always is between us 2) & end up 2-1. Gonna have to say to the Blades but with our play-off final history I'm to wise now to make such bold statements as to say we'll trounch you lot but I do think our luck has to change some time(hopefully)

P.S. Ward will be lucky to play - touch & go with his injury & even then I doubt he'll make the squad as others are returning from injury. But you can marvel at S.Quinn run round like a headless chicken allday then pop up with 1 piece of genius to change the match.

[Stuttgart88]

their different perspective is respected and welcomed imoMe too, but not when there are deliberate and petty attempts to wind up & that's exactly what EG's first or second post on this thread was there for.

It's funny that out of all the live threads on all the various current topics EG decided only to post a comment relating to a Scots born & bred Irish international. I think some people here jump down EG's throat for the sake of it at times but on this ocacsion his contribution was 100% negative and he didn't have the good grace to accept the pretty well informed replies that followed.

Now if he'd had a swipe if the topic was Bernie Slaven he may have had more of a point (or may not, I know f all about Slaven's heritage).

[Wangball]

Now if he'd had a swipe if the topic was Bernie Slaven he may have had more of a point (or may not, I know f all about Slaven's heritage).

I personally would of preferred if he maybe focused on one of Northern Irelands more recent Scotish born & bred internationals rather than chosing to have a go at an individual as proud and aware of his heritage as Owen Coyle appears to be.......for instance Brian McLean....how did that pan out again EG??????:D

Back on topic though am very much looking forward to this game, as a neutral play off finals always tend to be quare entertaining...I reckon Burnley to nick it 2-1

[Claret Murph]

As seemingly the only Blade on here(only just seen the thread) I think a bit of defending the old team is called for.

My view is much like ourselves 6 years ago all them cup matches are gonna catch up with & correct me if i'm wrong Burnley don't have a big squad(22-23??) so unless they score a few early it will be a tight game(as always is between us 2) & end up 2-1. Gonna have to say to the Blades but with our play-off final history I'm to wise now to make such bold statements as to say we'll trounch you lot but I do think our luck has to change some time(hopefully)

P.S. Ward will be lucky to play - touch & go with his injury & even then I doubt he'll make the squad as others are returning from injury. But you can marvel at S.Quinn run round like a headless chicken allday then pop up with 1 piece of genius to change the match.


So Phill are you heading to the game at Wembley then ??????
Yep you are right about scoring first but that fails to worry me as the last time we failed to score was 21 games ago at Watford "cue Hornet " so we will score at some stage of the game . Like I said Blake holds the key for us but we are very slow at the back and the two full backs are way off the pace if United take around the back they will have luck , now if they stick to hoofball and long throws Burnley will see out the game . Can't wait hey it's been 33 years since Burnley have been back in the big time I think now is the time . Ihope anyway . :):ball::)

One last thing whatever the score is at Wembley we will have a laugh and a joke in the airport as we are both on the same flight out to Bulgaria , only this time we will both have the same colours on .......................

[Drumcondra 69er]

As seemingly the only Blade on here(only just seen the thread) I think a bit of defending the old team is called for.

My view is much like ourselves 6 years ago all them cup matches are gonna catch up with & correct me if i'm wrong Burnley don't have a big squad(22-23??) so unless they score a few early it will be a tight game(as always is between us 2) & end up 2-1. Gonna have to say to the Blades but with our play-off final history I'm to wise now to make such bold statements as to say we'll trounch you lot but I do think our luck has to change some time(hopefully)

P.S. Ward will be lucky to play - touch & go with his injury & even then I doubt he'll make the squad as others are returning from injury. But you can marvel at S.Quinn run round like a headless chicken allday then pop up with 1 piece of genius to change the match.

Best of luck but having witnessed you manager's previous wittless attempt in the play offs first hand (against a team he'd taken 4 points off that season) I'd be concerned for you!

[Den Perry]

I wholeheartedly agree. I dont often agree with what EG, GR et al post, but their different perspective is respected and welcomed imo. Plus some people get awful worked up on this site if a thread doesnt stick wholeheartedly to the narrow remit of the title thread.

Agree, different opinions are welcome, but the problem EG and GR is that they start to insult people, trying hide the fact that they've lost the argument. However as I've said before,those people will never admit they're wrong...

[geysir]

Best of luck
Has to be the one of the most (in a polite sort of way) hypocritical good wishes offered to an opposition team/supporter.

Best of luck ........... but I hope your striker has a stinker.

[ifk101]

Agree, different opinions are welcome, but the problem EG and GR is that they start to insult people, trying hide the fact that they've lost the argument. However as I've said before,those people will never admit they're wrong...

You're not all that innocent yourself now are you?

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene. As things currently stand though I'm sure the FAI are more than happy with Trapattoni and perhaps will look to extend his contract. Failing that Liam Brady is likely to take over imo.

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.

[youngirish]

Me too, but not when there are deliberate and petty attempts to wind up & that's exactly what EG's first or second post on this thread was there for.

It's funny that out of all the live threads on all the various current topics EG decided only to post a comment relating to a Scots born & bred Irish international. I think some people here jump down EG's throat for the sake of it at times but on this ocacsion his contribution was 100% negative and he didn't have the good grace to accept the pretty well informed replies that followed.

Now if he'd had a swipe if the topic was Bernie Slaven he may have had more of a point (or may not, I know f all about Slaven's heritage).


The problem I have with EG is that he appears to be so anti-ROI I find his opinion difficult to take seriously. He's obviously only here to push his own agenda and wind other posters up imo. Look up some of his statements regarding the ROI wanting to take over NI and such X-Files like paranoid nonsense and you'll get the picture. When has he ever said anything even remotely positive about the ROI football team in all his years on here?

Gather round I have no problem with. I think his posts are more objective and fair though I will respond in kind when he sticks up for EG and picks on one of my posts.

[geysir]

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene.
You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

[Stuttgart88]

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.Yikes, Don Givens!

[ifk101]

You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

It's his first post in this thread that I was referring to. The waffle and drivel in between, (I know its waffle and drivel when you become involved), I have chosen to ignore.


Yikes, Don Givens!

Aye, it's time for the U21 position to be reviewed and given direction and purpose

[Den Perry]

You mean, in the middle of all the sneers, the grossly uninformed comment, the persistent cynical refusal to acknowledge that Owen Coyle was not the man to deride his Irishnes on, his immature backtracking in a futile attempt to put a different colour to his jibes, the obvious bitterness of his agenda.

that in the middle of all that, EG made a patently obvious point.
Well done for spotting that.

Exactly...

IFK, I would consider you naive if you think EG posts for reasons other than to wind up the vast majority on this site.

[paul_oshea]

You're not all that innocent yourself now are you?

I think EG was right regarding Owen Coyle in that if he becomes successful within the British club game, he's unlikely to be attracted to the international football scene. As things currently stand though I'm sure the FAI are more than happy with Trapattoni and perhaps will look to extend his contract. Failing that Liam Brady is likely to take over imo.

Anyways I think the FAI should be looking to more actively promote from within and use the U21 job as a training ground for potential senior managers.

You want don givens as senior manager?!

[EalingGreen]

IFK, I would consider you naive if you think EG posts for reasons other than to wind up the vast majority on this site.

Here is what I originally posted on the topic of Coyle, and the possibility of his becoming ROI manager one day:

"Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.
For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.
Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.
Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either"

How is any of that deliberately provocative/off-topic/disrespectful of the ROI etc? It is merely my opinion which, whether anyone agrees or not, was argued coherently and with examples to support it etc.

Yet that alone evinced a number of posts (since deleted) accusing me of being on a "wind-up" etc. Now considering it was the same few people as always react so, I should have risen above this, but seeing as those replies directly attacked both my team and me personally, I allowed myself to respond in kind - something I will try harder to avoid in future.

Nonetheless, when I go back to what I actually posted, and being as objective as anyone can, I can still only conclude that rather than my being on a "wind-up", by far the greater problem is that some people are far too easily wound-up.

Now of course I could avoid all such controversy by "retreating back to my laager" on OWC etc, and posting amongst friends "what a bunch of cnuts they all are on foot.ie etc". But I genuinely do not believe that, or anything like it.

On the contrary, I greatly enjoy this forum and so will not allow the sneers and jibes of 'the usual suspects' to drive me away from debating sensibly with those other sensible posters who, imo, comprise the great majority of this Board.

[youngirish]

Here is what I originally posted on the topic of Coyle, and the possibility of his becoming ROI manager one day:

"Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.
For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.
Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.
Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either"

How is any of that deliberately provocative/off-topic/disrespectful of the ROI etc? It is merely my opinion which, whether anyone agrees or not, was argued coherently and with examples to support it etc.

Yet that alone evinced a number of posts (since deleted) accusing me of being on a "wind-up" etc. Now considering it was the same few people as always react so, I should have risen above this, but seeing as those replies directly attacked both my team and me personally, I allowed myself to respond in kind - something I will try harder to avoid in future.

Nonetheless, when I go back to what I actually posted, and being as objective as anyone can, I can still only conclude that rather than my being on a "wind-up", by far the greater problem is that some people are far too easily wound-up.

Now of course I could avoid all such controversy by "retreating back to my laager" on OWC etc, and posting amongst friends "what a bunch of cnuts they all are on foot.ie etc". But I genuinely do not believe that, or anything like it.

On the contrary, I greatly enjoy this forum and so will not allow the sneers and jibes of 'the usual suspects' to drive me away from debating sensibly with those other sensible posters who, imo, comprise the great majority of this Board.

You're right EG. Sorry to have got it so wrong. There is nothing in your first post that could be construed as offensive or liable to intentionally wind people up.

Now that I think about it it was your second and third posts (since deleted) that were the wind ups.

Speaking of the same few people reacting whatever happened to Lopez?

[EalingGreen]

Your right EG. Sorry to have got it so wrong. There is nothing in your first post that could be construed as offensive or liable to intentionally wind people up.

Thank You.


Now that I think about it it was your second and third posts (since deleted) that were the wind ups.
It was my original post which "provoked" [sic] snide responses etc from others, said responses causing me to lower my standards* in my second and third posts etc


* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.

[youngirish]

* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.
In fairness EG I can't see any early posts implying that NI were crap only a throwaway comment about young players. I personally only weighed in after the rankings and the derogatory comments were posted .

[Wolfie]

Is this a football forum lads or marriage counselling?

[Den Perry]

Thank You.

It was my original post which "provoked" [sic] snide responses etc from others, said responses causing me to lower my standards* in my second and third posts etc


* - Though even then, I still don't see how eg posting without comment the current FIFA Rankings and WC2010 Qualifying Tables, in response to a post basically calling the NI team crap, qualifies as a "wind-up". Oh well.

zzzzzzz......

[youngirish]

Is this a football forum lads or marriage counselling?

I see it as both.

To stay on topic Owen Coyle is brilliant.

[gustavo]

No option but to lock the thread really , Requests to stay on topic ignored. If anyone wants start a thread actually discussing Owen Coyle feel free to do so.